Hatches

[xkalibur]

im a new breeder and i started out with a broodcock and a broodhen both mclean hatches (from boy macopa of malabon). i was recently given a doc robinson hatch hen by one of my friends and i would like to get inputs as to what are the implications of crossing my mclean hatch cock with this doc robinson hatch hen. is this advisable? or are the disadvantages too numerous that i should discard this idea? and the result what would i call it? is it a cross or is it still a straight hatch?

[fte777]

Just want to share an experience. I bred a col givens hatch over gilmore hatch brood hens. The offsprings were really powerful and i tried fighting them and was not successful. I think straight line hatches are good for breeding nad not fighting. You can cross them with with any light blood you want (roundhead etc)

[manong]

my opinion hatch has been very good in long knife. I,ve crossed yellow leged hatch over mclain hatch for many years, only i think that you should cross yellow leged hatch over your doc rob. hens to get the ones you want. yellow leged hatch are extremly deadly cutters. I have fought them in sunset la in usa and in the philippines all having a very high win percentage. for your mclains i think you should cross yellow leged hatch to them. also when you fight then make sure or strive to have them at proper moisture. cocks that are not ready no matter what breed will not do no good fight day .thinking that we all strive to have all the proper things together for our cocks at fight time. I have and all other cockers at some fights have our cocks messed up for many reasons, and then blame it on the blood line . don,t be to quick to blame the cocks,, for my opinion 90 % are lost because of what we have done to them in training and condition period.

[Eboy Martin]

Hello excalibur, are you from malabon? My uncle is a cock mate of Boy Macopa of Dampalit Malabon. His name is VG Martin.

[xkalibur]

thanks for your inputs fellow cockers!

fte777 i tend to agree with you that the result might not be the optimal battle cock. my question could probably be rephrased as a mclean hatch over a doc robinson hatch , could it produce good broodfowl for crossing later on?

manong thanks for that tip of crossing yellow leg hatch over green leg hatch. can't try it though as i have no yellow leg hatch.

eboy yes i am formerly from malabon but i now live in q.c. maybe one of these days i'll run into you at the sabungan at dampalit. where do you get your gamefowl? what are your bloodlines?

[fte777]

xcalibur

I dont see anything wrong with the combination. Both mcleans and docs have been working well with other breeders. Give it a shot so we'll have more answers by the results and our experiences. Good luck.

[swallow]

I don't see any problem with that combination, until i see your Maclean and Doc fight

You see, i am quite sure that the Maclean you got is not a "pure" maclean, most likely it is a Maclean cross. The same goes for your Doc Robinson. I don't have any hesitation about the Docs because this are birds that can break and are quite fast for a hatch... Your Maclean most likely have some light blood infusion in it,

[xkalibur]

first of all swallow, thanks for your input!

fellow cockers, i'm very interested in what you can add about the characteristics of the doc robinson hatch, aside from "these birds can break and are quite fast for a hatch"... please tell me more of the characteristics of these birds... not only their fighting style but their usual general appearance... many thanks!

p.s. would also like to hear about the mclean hatch...

[Eboy Martin]

My Mclean hatches are peacomb, dark hackle, medium to medium high stationed. Medium breaker and like most hatches, dead game and hardhitter.

About Doc hatch, they are stright comb, blue legged, medium stationed. Fast fighter, hits a lot, never get tired of shuffling. Of course, dead game.

They came from Boy Gamilla, also a friend of Boy Macopa.

[Gallos Locos]

Hatch to Hatch crosses have worked for me. Crossing 2 Hatch families is also a way to reduce the ill effects of prolonged and intensive inbreeding, while maintaining the traits of the bloodline. Goodluck.

:hombre:
Hatch Power!

[redwings]

THE MATING I CALL THE DOUBLE HATCH HAS BEEN ONE OF THE WINNING LINES THAT I HAVE.

I have crossed the GIVEN'S HATCH x JIMMY EAST JR.'S MCLEANS.
Also the GIVEN'S HATCH x GILMORE HATCH.
And from Mr. Pizarro, he sent me a DUKE HULSEY HATCH x GREEN LEGGED HATCH OF RAY ALEXANDER.

All 3 have been super on hacks. Only one thing, DOUBLE HATCH, I think, is NOT THAT SUITABLE FOR BIG-TIME DERBIES. Almost always slightly low headed. Only an opinion.

[xkalibur]

eboy martin hi! :-) it seems that you know a lot of people among boy macopa's circle (VG Martin and Boy Gamilla). i seldom see boy macopa lately, only when he goes to the fishpond to help his sister in law (neneng) sell prawn fry.

you said mcleans are medium breakers, dead game and hard hitters while doc robinsons are fast fighters, hits a lot, does not tire shuffling and are dead game.

the picture i am getting (also because of swallow's input) is that the doc robinson hatch is fast, probably the fastest among the hatches while also retaining the hatch's main attributes of gameness and power... swallow also said it breaks high... if these are all true then the doc robinson hatch is probably the best hatch of all... agree or disagree?

by the way for your info the broodcock hatch i got from boy macopa is 3/4 mclean hatch 1/8 grey and 1/8 muff and the broodhen is 3/4 mclean hatch and 1/4 lemon. the doc robinson hen i got this from ache reyes (son of linda 21 the milkfish consignacion at bayan) is 3/4 doc robinson hatch and 1/4 sweater

[redwings]

Swallow has the good points of the Doc Robinson's Hatch stated very well. I like the Docs for the said traits that swallow has given but one thing I hate about this Hatch, they are a little bit dumb. For a cocking populace that thinks that smarter fighters are a premium especially in bigtime fights, this Hatch, I think, does not fit the bill.

In my limited experience and all other friends of mine that has bred this line, they tend to attack and attack without even thinking. Many people call these Hatches, "ANG PINAKABOBONG HATCH." I tend to agree to these beliefs sometimes. They are a little bit hot-headed as well and some I even saw as low-headed as well. They don't think in a fight, they just attack and attack,without even bulging even with sometimes impeccable wounds.But I have got to admit that these family of Hatches have the never-say-die attitude, 1 of the traits I want in my fowls to have. That's why I still breed them and luckily, still winning with them.

[xkalibur]

redwings,
WOW! what a downer! i was just beginning to have a very high esteem for my doc robinson hatch... when WHAMMO! BOBO PALA!

maybe i should send it to college? or hire a private tutor?
hehe
:-)

[jonjie88]

.....i have doc robinson hatch cock and gilmore hatch hen....they are winning, no problem with hatch to hatch mating....it's better be attack and attack than ilag ng ilag..

[redwings]

I THINK PARE ITS BETTER TO GRADE YOUR DOCS ABOUT QUARTERS. i win with 3/4 Lemon 84 with quarter docs. ayos naman sila. you must just cure the attack thingy in thier heads. minsan sugod ng sugod tapos palagi naman sya tinatamaan. BWISIT KASI MINSAN SA DERBY YUN PRE. dapat abang di ba?hehehe...

[swallow]

xkalibur,

So i was right on the money about your hatches, they have light blood infusion.
i can't really say anything about your Docs, becuase I always believe that even if we call them alike, they might actually be opposite in performance. And since your birds are all blended with smart blood of Lemon, Sweater, Grey, muff... I would not be surprise if your fowls break well and fight smart, but do admit that the Old time Hatches are really dumb, but after years have past I believe the dumb hatch, has already been wipe out from the competition, and the hatches you see now a days are the Modern day Hatches. I have heard of Boy Gamilia (known as Boy Mary Jay aka BMJ) in the Malabon pits, he has a lot of these GLH, but most of his good fowls are YL and WL. VG Martin, i think is more known in the pits as Pete Martin(if he is the same guy), has really some good winning line GLH... they are smart and given to opportunity to connect, i don't see any bird being able to retaliate against those GLH of his.

Just my thoughts

[Gallos Locos]

I really like my Docs. Coming up with a complete fighter is all about blending bloodlines that suit your taste. Not many pures will perform well in tough competition, but that's where the challenge of blending lines comes in.



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Doc Power

[Eboy Martin]

Swallow,


Boy Gamilla aka BMJ has a very well maintained lines. He has a lot of grey, his winningest fowl if i remember it right. His light fowl, mostly with claret infusion, has been very consistent in stag derbies he participated such as LGBA and NCA, also in bakbakan. unfortunately, he lost in the finals. Regarding VG Martin, he is behind BMJ's sucess for he is the one who introduced and explored the game to BMJ. A long time friend, a cocker for nearly 50 years now.

Warm regards,

Eboy martin

[swallow]

If i am not mistaken i believe those greys of BMJ came from the Ricaforts, who got them from Tony Trebol... but i could also be wrong... :) My friend had fought a lot of times against BMJ entry in Del Monte, Dampalit, Anarose, VCSA, and have won almost every fight against them... though I have to admit BMJ's birds are real good, maybe just an issue of contrapelo...

Just my opinion

[Kenut]

I don't see anybody breeding all-hatch blood and prospering in the filipino knife and for a long period of time. I'd still infuse them . Personally, I like my hatches less than half.

But, hey, thats the fun , man, in this sport. Try anything U want.

[swallow]

I must agree with Kenut, and also redwings that whatever good a Hatch-to-Hatch combination is, they will be far better when you cross them with the light fowls, especially the thinking type of RH, Kelso, Clarets, Lemons, and of course Greys.

If i may suggest, put your good hatch blood on Lancey dela Torre's Boston Lemon, or Redfoot. Or you may also try those Yellow hackled fowls of Ampil Bros. The type that breaks extremely high and had great timing, cutting, and are the thinking type of birds... You won't go far when you have birds that rushes in on the first sight of an opponent, even if that birds gives a lot of feet and power, unless he breaks high enough to top his opponent...


Just my thoughts

[xkalibur]

yes swallow you're right on the money about my hatches having light blood infusions... and in spite of those infusions, i dont think i can call my broodcock mclean hatch smart yet... although it has proven itself (its a 1 time winner) its entrails were hanging out of its body after the fight (or so i was told by boy macopa).. and watching it during practice, i must say that it's good really good but i think it can go through a fight without itself sustaining a wound or two...

boy gamilla aka boy mary jay also gets a lot of gamecocks from boy macopa... i dont personally know him nor vg martin but ive heard of them a lot... you're also probably familiar with the siochi brothers (sons of mario siochi)?

[swallow]

The Siochi bros? Of course I know them, they own the Anarose pit... They have some good birds too, but they have been losing a lot lately... maybe just a matter of luck not smiling on them too much this year. You mentioned the Siochi and the Docs, I remember last year my friend fought against him in DMCA, both entries for the championship, my friend was using a Doc cross, while Daday was using a sweater looking bird, once the birds were released they slowly walk towards each other and both went up in the air at the same time, The Doc top the opponent flying almost to the level of the WALA sign, when the birds landed daday's bird was dead on the drop, while the Doc cross simply look at his opponent knowing that he had connected a fatal blow... The aficionados gave an ovation for that fight as it was also the fastest kill of the night ...

FYI

[jlbs72]

If you'll be fighting in Long knife, what do you think is the best grade to retain when crossing hatches to other bloodlines ? is it 1/4, 1/8, 1/2 or 3/4 ?

Thanks.

[h-manokis]

3/4 works for me ........:hombre:

[suejselbor_007]

Got good results with 1/32nd crossed.:hombre:

[Oakgrove Nuts]

It should depend on the base blood you're using. At times 1/4 should do it to get the necessary gameness and power. But still it as well depends on what your level of comfort and experimentation with your creation. Some are comfortable with 1/2 grade like Sweater-Gilmores, Sweater-HiAction ang Kelso-McLean's. And there are those whose done 1/8 grade with great success.

At the moment we are still at 1/2 grade. We just hatched a few 1/4 grade chicks that we achieved using a winner (Kelso-Dink X Kelso hens) but will try three-way crosses to 1/4 Hatch grade next season.

What type of Hatch are you using?

[jlbs72]

Oakgrove,

billy ruble toppy and a GL hatch from Bob cuenca.

[Taga_Cebu]

I guess it depends what type of hatch family and what type of weapon you're fighting... But I fight in the long knife and most of my fowls right now are hatch greys and roundheads, kelsos, and sweaters with 1/2 and 1/4 hatch infusions in them. . .

I believe selection is the primary key as to what type of hatch suits your taste... and what family to cross with it...
Next year I'll be showing mostly hatch greys and hatch crosses with 1/2 and 1/4 infusion... Good Luck with yours gents.

[tonio]

it really depends on the type of hatch...we used to show a lot of Leiper-Mclean crosses and the were real killers...but rarely could you use them again after the first win and we had all these baldado cocks to feed cuz they would not die either...hehehe

I will be fighing alot of pure mcleans this stag season

[mariobros]

is your spangle hatches "mcleans"?

[Brokewing]

Jlbs72,

Are the Ruble Toppies still a winning family in the PI today? I saw both the Ruble Toppy and the Muff, sometimes they showed both the muff and the toppy. They were good looking, very powerful with plenty of ability and game. Saw many that won in Mexico between 1978 and 1982, for Carlos Hines of St. Luis Potosi.

FYI, the muff and the toppy that Ruble obtained and crossed to his hatches came from the late John Kozura. John Kozura's son, Dr. John Kozura of TX, still carries them on.

[tonio]

Yes they are mcleans but the mcleans I am refering to are different family (C.C.Cooke).The spangles definatly can win pure in LK..Also The Sparow Hatch can win pure in the LK fought a lot of them in Araneta in the early-mid 90's and they could really break.

yeah those kozura muffs are super birds

[cholo a. franco]

pareng joel,

am just curios, is the gl hatch of bob c. you will be

breeding his sandy hatch ? keep me posted on

his offsprings and best of everything in your

breeding !

[jlbs72]

Cholo,

I have no idea if its sandy hatch. My ninong brought it last 1998.

[hillsiderz]

I am looking for a good hatch family. I was thinking of getting
Blueface
Mclean
Leiper
Gavilans
What are the different qualities of each and which would you prefer to have if you're competing in the LK and who would I be able to obtain some blood from? Help is much appreciated. I am located on O'ahu, Hawaii.

Also what are some accurate, good cutting chickens? Looking for that too. Was thinking about roundheads.

[rbsugbo]

Others.
My favorite is not on the list.

[scythe_g]

others.........:)



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[patas choriadas]

I like the Warparty and Southern Cross Muira Hatches. They are very game and have speed and power.

[eligrino]

how about the PENNEY HATCHES..

[sonny_padilla]

other hatches are , sandy hatch,
heinie mathesius , perry hatch, jack walton, cecil, oakgrove, ray hoskins , billy abbott, riverview, dink fair.

[buhawi]

l like the 2 way cross of.........mclean-leiper..........they have breaking ability..........and still have the bottom,aggressiveness and hitting power ..........of a real hatch.

[JT-Sphinx]

eric pointer hatch

only few got them....i know a breeder who have them...none for sale...




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[puhipounda]

aloha from hawaii i too live on the island of oahu and the only hatches you need is the red velcro which is a hatch type fowl with awesome speed and power to spare and as for bottom theyll kick till tomorrow and i just lovem

[cmcfarm]

other for me also!

i prefer our yellow legged hatch (stewarts)game gritty hit a ton and unbelievable livability! cross out well and are better crossed than pure. that's if you have the real stewarts.

[ghetto_grappler]

i had two imported leipers...good chickens when they spar....they alaways dominate the other in a spar.....heavy plummage dark red fowl.....they hit really hard and fast....when i fought the first one he lost iwas so pissed off because he always does good in the spar...but **** man when the LONG KNIFE was on he got hit and did not fight hard at all he just lost.....the second one the brother did the same **** i was so imbarrassed at thr pit....this one got hit and did not even land one blow.......Just sharing my experience with two imported leipers....

[buhawi]

that a hatch is tough..........and have lots of bottom...........is probably in gaff...........where the gaff effect is not immediately devastating

but in longknife.........it`s a different story..........whether you have lots of bottom.......very game so to say.........if got hit in vital points...........they`ll go down immediately........

gameness and bottom matter........when they are badly hurt........because they have lots of heart.........they will try until the end to retaliate and kill their opponents

[wickedfroggie]

One of my winning line are MClean hatches, very awesome fowl.

Kill Kill Kill:D Speed and accuracy you got it..

[Brokewing]

I like the good Leipers like the ones from Johnny Mitchell or Rat Graves or Roger Farrow. They are game, athlectic and can win the big tournaments.

[tonio]

I love leipers...they are sooo deliberate and when they start shuffling it gets really violent

[jmmparaiso]

I like 3 way cross of hatches..J. Walton/Col. Givens/Blueface never been defeated in Bakbakan and other bigtime Stag derbies. Now I'm experimenting 4 way cross.. crossing this triple hatch hen to a pure stewart YLH broodcock.

[polegaff]

What do you plan to cross them too? My gavilan hatch crossed to warhorse are better for lk and crossed to the mclean is more suited for american gaff.
Give us more info on your other lines to better help you.

[vqquerol]

can anyone say the traits of diff hatches like what they say tha blueface hatch are thinking hatch? etc

[Bty Hunter]

We have only the "generic" YLH and Mcleans:lol: Would love try namebrands sometimes , if i have a pick i would love to have the Red Fox Hatch the Lemon Hackles.. boy they sure look awesome!!

For performance i'd go for the High Action Hatches! DEAD GAME.. remember the WSD '04 entry .. that rooster was fighting dead and just carried on winning the fight!

[aristocrassy]

Survivor 1 winner

[vqquerol]

hatches go go go

[GoodWings]

Could anyone classify these different hatches between "rushers" and "non rushers"? Who among the popular breeders breed non rushers. Obviously long knife competitors prefer non rushers.

[rickeyh]

my blood is the doc robisons hatch and i like them

[Bty Hunter]

i think the Blue Face hatches are non-rushers . from watching WSD tapes i think the Mamie Lacson Hatches fought by Mayor Alarilla are awesome non-rushing type hatches.:)

[ramil_san]

try an ECJ red they are good

[magic_aces88]

.....I'll go for Mclean Hatch which really give us high percentage of winning, but in fairness, They are all bred under HATCH bloodline

[I.C.F.]

Just wonder kasama ba ito ang vote ko...
Take care and have fun guyz...

Cheer,
I.C.F.

[Boy London]

I.C.F KASAMA ANG VOTE MO HEHEHE SA OTHERS.

FOR ME YLH YAN KASI ANG NAGPAPANALO SA AKIN SA NGAYON.

[OnPoint]

you're on the island of oahu .. if you were lookin for good hatch birds, i'd say you're at a convenience bein on that particular island .. ace gamecock farm of annette and darryl lee out in waimanalo have as good a hatch family as i've seen .. this is just my opinion .. they're good folks and their birds as just as good .. i'd recomment you get a hold of them and try to visit their place .. go with the straight comb side of the hatches .. i think they're better than the pea comb side .. just my opinion again .. take it easy

[chickenman]

a 4-way hatch strain just add one to make it 5... he he he

[ApUnG sImEoN]

Mc clean and Penny Hatches!

[g-ayo]

i agree with BUHAWI with regards to gameness.

anyone here who knows the american breeder who breeds the MAGNUM HATCH??? i saw him on TV being interveiwed on "TUKAAN" according to him " HE DOESNT TALK THE TALK...... RATHER...HE WALKS THE WALK... when it comes to performance and winning percentage of his MAGNUM HATCH.... i was impressed right away.

[boncrisostomo]

i prefer col.givens speckled hatch lots of bottom and power good to cross with roundheads got good winning percentage from them since i started raising chickens.

[partner888]

how about the oakgrove hatch?

[Grey_Grove]

I have Leipers,Mcleans and Ruble Hatches, from My Expeirience the Leipers are the most complete of them,(IE they have Cut,Gameness and power) The Rubles have Extreme Gameness but arent the best cutting fowl on earth,The Mcleans Hit like 10 tons of Bricks cut well and are Game,I love them all or wouldnt have them, these three Lines have been the best hatch fowl i have seen,The Mcleans and Leipers Really Complement each other rather well,The Half Mclean and Half Leiper is the best of them all Good cutting ability,Brute Power,and Magnificent Gameness,i will be trying the Rubles crossed onto Leipers this comeing season we will see how they cross on each other............

[buhawi]

warparty sent me one of his mclean-leiper broodcock..my avatar.....and he is.......like you described.......mclean and leiper combination.......are like mustard and hotdog.......he`s now going 4 years old.......can still rock and roll .......with amazing speed and power:D

jimmy tyler of oklahoma sent me two fine specimens of his hatch bloodline..............been breeding them with warparty`s hatch.....

[Makos]

I am looking to buy a Hatch Trio but I only want to purchase the best that I can obtain. Can you old timers and new give me some recommendations as to who has the best hatches and where I can purchase them from. If possible I would like to purchase locally (Hawaii) that is. If not I will order from the mainland if I have to, to obtain the best.

[BIGTAKA]

Gotta go with the mcleans... aloha

[virus hendrix]

pre oak grove hatch and blueface

[Edward Catahay]

The St. Clair Hatch I had were not rushers. They knew how to play and counter while having the power and bottom in the drag.

[virus hendrix]

dag dag pa ung mga sue wilson hatch gagaling ng cutting

[thundercock]

Hulsey Florida Hatch........


Thundercock

[buhawi]

i also like the doc robinson hatch........very aggressive type of hatch......once you release them on the ground......they`ll shoot straight to the other rooster........i like them when they reach their full maturity..........they are very powerful violent shufflers

hatch cocks were shown in last wsd 2005..........they were and are still awesome..........power cutting fowl.......

[colt39]

These are the old time Gavilans. AWESOME

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/500/Hatch.JPG

[timiboy420]

our local hatches are very competitive and they are always present in the WSD

- KARACHI HATCH -
- HIGH ACTION HATCH -

[pitgods]

Other, I prefer Yellow legged hatch.

[chainlyf]

Can anyone tell me the names of people who are breeding good hatches? I am trying to research where I can obtain good hatches. THank You

[buhawi]

PHILIPPINE SOURCE.......OR........U.S. SOURCE?
GREEN LEGGED HATCH?..........OR YELLOW LEGGED HATCH?

[jerome2985]

US source, green legged and yellow legged hatch...

[desertfire]

tanong ko rin dito sa pinas ang magandang kunan ng hatch YL at GL sino po ba? thanks

[bigshots]

any one interested in obtaining the yl or gl hatches
pls contact me at 0919 594 8912
i have yellow legged hatches coming from herman pinnon, green legged hatches coming from red fox farm(both there lemon hackled and dark hackled fowl), blue face hatch coming from grady fields.

farm is here in CEBU. romero farms

pls feel free to contact me anytime at 0919-594-8912
we ship fowls anywhere in the philippines

[james wolf]

rick stoncipher, mountain view farm, doc & bates

[buhawi]

lanier.............giliam...........nesmith....... ..bill h.

serious small or bigtime breeders have their own separate yard of power punching hatch......for infusion purposes..........to create battlecrosses.

a dose of hatch blood in any battlecross............is a must.........IMHO

[CIGAR]

blaine gregg out of ky has some real deal hatch.....


cigar

[kogmohon]

in p.i. try mawmag gamefarm in corella, bohol they have:
1. mclean - blackwell & webster
2. penny - sherill penny direct
3.doc robinson- jumper
4.penmar - jeff pierce
5. mel sim - direct
6. black hatch - e. baker
7. general - ratliff
8. gilmore - fontenot & b. barnette
9. lieper - johnny mitchell
10. democrat- blondie roland
11. muira - mick blansette southern cross
12. bates - larry carter
13. yeller leg hatch- bluffcreek
14. yellow leg hatch- pinnion & nesmith
15. gerard hatch- cox

[jabez]

A guy in south texas fights under "Cat" entry. He breeds for flying J game farm of Uvalde,Tx. I saw him fight at sunset and again in New Mexico. I was impressed. I got his hatch and am now breeding them. He calls them "CAT" hatch and they are a blend of col. givins blood, and some old sanford jennings blood. I think maybe a even some oscar akins. I don't know but they are nice and reasonable. I will test mine this year in fact next week on the 12-3-05. We will see what I got.

[chainlyf]

Thanks for all the help.

Does anyone know How i can contact Blain Gregg??

[buhawi]

FLYINGHIGH940..........has some real good doc robinson hatch;)

[Matrix]

Ray hoskins or harold brown yellow legged mcleans

[oanatam]

mcleans and leipers for me.....:teeth:

[silver2dmoon]

RED FOX MCLEAN and WT Greene BLUEFACE :smoke:

....two closely inbred family of Hatches from two different respected breeders.

[hillsiderz]

What about Larry Wilson of North Carolina. I've heard of his hatches. I think he carries Mclean, Blueface, and leiper. Anyone know more about this breeder of Hatches?

[kogmohon]

miura...hatch of the new melinieum...

[ness cabalfin]

i only stick to two....

1. stuart ylh

2. mclean








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[docc mann]

hey yall...my fav breed of hatch is the DOC ROBINSON...dead game..hit hard with lots of speed....AWESOME BIRDS.,....need to try em

[docc mann]

i forgot to add my blueface blood in there.....they are awesome...game from DEAD END game farm....awesome chickens

[aristocrassy]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c15/rexsonlouis/YLH9.jpg


7 months old

[JB Skins]

mclean from harold brown.blueface from bob bennet. all that needs to be said..... :rbounce: winning now in tn/ky.

[lhemmonade]

mcclean are the best!
tried and tested.
green legged ones gave me
high percentage of winnings.

[colt39]

Fine looking stag you have there.

[JB Skins]

just fought derby ,went 3-1best of show was pure mcclean won 1st pit now in brood pen with 6 pure hens hope he is as good broodcock.

[danterecopuerto]

recardo caro is good hatch in wcs 2005 for me........

[chrisjr]

YLH of Chris Nesmith is my favorite kind of Hatch...

[erick]

others



erickp.

[lestat]

my choice is not in the list either.

billy ruble hatch and gilmore hatch

[colt39]

How many of the Named Hatches in this thread originated from the Mcleans & actually are Mcleans & the breeder put his own name on them.

[orientaldelight]

My guesstimated answer to Sir Jim is probable less than a few 10% 10 for most if there are any left on the particular named breeds, otherwise I would say ZERO. People use this name breed just like they are referring to a team of Basketball players or Football player. They call them this and that, pure this, pure that when in reality, such names inaccurately describe the fowl being discussed as meaningless. I’m sure they may be good roosters, but its east to west that the relationship does not exceed and if it does, it’s only a fraction related. All of these things just stimulate curiosity just like Adam and Eve. Chances are, a lot of these fowl carrying such Kelso, Hatch or whatever name they call them do not even carry a bit of that blood.
There must be a thousand of families called hatch, pure kelsos and so forth. If a breeder takes a family of chicken and breeds them according to his way, after a few generations, he is entitled to call them anything he wants to. They are his, not some guy that has been dead for decades and centuries long ago. If we obtain an exact trio of the same bloodline from the same breeder, and I breed mine here and you breed your trio over there, while the other guy breeds his trios of the same line that we have somewhere in Timbuktu, few years from now, they won’t be the same rooster. Even genetically they trace from the same original bloodline, they will not be the same in terms of physical features, confirmation, etc. The reason being is because of environmental influence. The water they drink, their feeds and the soil that they’re into compared to what I feed them here, will change their overall makeups. That is one reason why most of the bloodlines weather we like it or not, still comes from this part of the continent its because of the things that I had mentioned. Their genes that are inherited from the cock and the hen do not always make the perfect fighting cock; ENVIRONMENT does because environment and breeding goes hand and hand.

So getting back to the main subject of names breeds, if you had them for a few years, they are yours. You are entitled to take the credit and should be man enough to take the blame if they didn’t perform to your expectations and not blame them on someone else, whichever it may be. Most breeders change the bloodlines as soon as they obtain them anyway. The first thing they do is add new blood and try to improve them to their standards of perfection. When they do this, their genetic pool change and are not the same any more. They are not straight or pure so and so’s anymore.
If W. A. Kelso, Hermann McGinnis or Sandy Hatch was still alive today, do you really think they can recognize the so-called Hatch, kilos or whatever you want to call them fancy names? I think not.
Anyway, anybody is entitled to disagree with me of course. Because if we all agree on things, then we are all winners and no losers.

Keep them crowning!

[colt39]

My point was, their foundation blood line that started these great Hatchs.

I do agree that when a man puts his time & sweat in to them, he has a right to call them what ever he wants to. But, if he breeds them true, over the years with out adding new blood & they keep their quality, he does owe the originator a bit of credit. With out him, your great line would not exist.

I understand that the Leipers are the basic Mcleans but bred to the dark side.

The foundation bloodline of the Gilmore is Mclean as well, so I am told.

I have been told that my old time Gavilans, that came from Buck originated out of Mcleans. I also heard that they added some Blue Face to the Gavilans, later.

I don't know for a fact but thought that some of you in here may have some history on these Hatch blood lines. this is what I have been told & could be wrong.

[orientaldelight]

Ok let me start from the legendary Hatch fowl and hopefully someone here will continue the make up, and these I offer some brief insight to the early breeding of the Hatch.

Mr. E. Sanford (Sandy) Hatch had a family of Whitehackle, from Maurice O’Connell, which were considered very game. When Mr. John Leiper went to feed for Mr. Hatch and he infused the Coolidge Duryea Boston Roundhead blood. Later in 1931 Mr. Heinie Mathesius took Mr.Leiper’s position as Hatch’s feeder. He was responsible for infusing some Morgan Whitehackle blood and along with the green-legged Thompson blood which Mr. Hatch put in and made up the breeding of his fowl.

In 1942 Mr. Hatch had his feeder (Mathesius) dispose of all his fowl.
E. W. Law drew up the contract in which C. C Cook of Oklahoma purchased approximately 125 stags and pullets, 125 cocks and hens for the sum of $2,000.00. Before this, no Hatch fowl had ever been sold.

The Hatch fowl came both green and yellow-legged, pea and straight combed. Mr. Hatch considered these one family and even though his fowl were low-headed and poor cutters, they possessed a tremendous kick and were desperately game.

Around 1946 Mr. Hatch passed away but today, over 60 years later, still the Hatch (Type) fowl offers gameness as foundation stock. This line should be testimony enough for the man and his fowl.

Now, from some old time breeder that I know who is on his late 70’s and still breeding old time breeds since the 50’s told me that the Hatch were made from the Old Kearney Brown Reds and Kearney Whitehackles, bred to the Brown Red side for the green legs and the Whitehackle side for the yellow legs. Later to be breed by some Boston Roundhead blood as bred by Mr. Coolidge. Mr. Hatch also put some other bloodlines into his fowl but the Kearney blood was dominant. My old time friend’s grandfather bought some Hatch fowl from Heinie Mathesius many many years ago. Now, as most you know, Heinie was the feeder and breeder for Mr. Hatch over quite number years. Mathesius told the grandfather of my friend the same make up of the Hatch breeding which are being mainly Kearney. For the ones that never saw this old time straight Kearney Brown Red, this is how it looks: The cocks are dark red, light green legs, straight comb and heavy plummage, The hens are all wheaton and red neck with light green legs, Thats how the Hatch got their typical green legs from.

[seahawk]

The last post outlining the history of the Hatch fowl is quite instructive as it shows how Mr. Hatch developed a deep game and tough family of fowl from the Whitehackle Kearney Brownred Mahogany and Boston Roundhead blood that he had access to. But what is more important than these families of fowl (which were undoubtedly judged the gamest at that time by Mr. Hatch) is the consistent and careful selection done by Mr. Hatch toward gameness power and toughness which the Hatch fowl continue to be known for in general.

What we should acknowledge however are the improvements made on the Hatch fowl by subsequent breeders of the Hatch fowl - McLean and Sweater McGuiness who made the "Blue Face" Hatch fowl. In the late 1970s I had the opportunity to visit with Mr Frank Shy at his home in Rhode Island which overlooked Naragansett Bay. Mr Shy showed me the gaffs which he had been owned by Mr. Hatch and they were 1 inch blunt gaffs (point not sharpened) which according to Mr. Shy were the preferred weapon of Mr. Hatch. In fact, Frank Shy said that these were the only gaffs in which the Hatch fowl in the 1920s and 1930s could win a majority as they were very slow and had little fighting or cutting ability. The Hatch fowl then according to Mr. Shy were just rugged, strong and very game and would outlast their opponents in these blunt gaffs.

Frank Shy however said that sometime in the mid 1950s, Sweater McGuiness showed up at the annual Claymore stag tournament in the Northeast and defeated the best short heel breeders of the day with the Blue Face fowl which McGuiness reportedly bred out of broodstock fro Ted McLean. These Blue Face Hatch fowl were vastly superior to any of the old Hatch fowl that the Northeast breeders had seen in the past especially in cutting and general fighting ability. Mr Shy told me that he went to great lengths to secure these Blue Face fowl - even tracing the farms of friends of Sweater McGuiness who apparently bred these fowl for McGuiness. (Sweater McGuiness died shortly after he developed the Blue Face Hatch.)

Frank Shy said that it was after he infused the Blue Face blood into his fowl did he start dominating the annual Claymore tournament himself.

We are told that this particular family of Hatch fowl were eventually bred by the likes of Billy Ruble, Red Richardson, Gilmore, Frank Steele and several others but that would be several more stories in themselves.

[jerome2985]

i prefer the gilmore hatch and yellow legged hatch of BLACKWATER FARM...:) :)



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jerome garcia

[redwings]

i go for the Col. Carl Given's Hatches.

parang Mcleans na din but still different.

coz...

...THEY BREAK WELL. :)

[Brewer]

gilmores.strong,quick,no let up style,blends well with most light bloods around.

[desertfire]

How about this High Action Hatch where did this came from? originator?

composition?

fighting style?

[Jayvee]

GILMORES!!!

[chickenman]

I would prefer the Mcleans

[partner888]

1. YLH
2. Mel Sims
3. Mclean
4. Magnum
5. Leiper
6. Gilmore

looking for a good gilmore hatch pullets.

[WT AVALON]

I like Gilmore and Blueface Hatch to cross with my Sweater and
Claret...

[G. McKenzie]

Orientaldelight and Seahawk,

Thank you very much for your informative and thoughtful posts. As a boy I talked with E. T. Piper, and also read his many articles, and his history of these fowl was consistent with what you have stated.

[jundizon]

whats d problem with ur hatches bro? if u dont like them give them to me.

[partner888]

buy a melsim hatch...u won't regret.

[jundyjongco]

Mclean next is BlueFace

[RobinxHood71]

(Ray Hoskins) or (Nesmith of Blackwater) YLH...

[binoe]

blue face no doubt... CHEERS!!! :smoke:

[jhazel_n]

anyody out there who have already purchased trios from different breeders.can you please post the prices for the benefit of would be breeders like me.we would appreciate your kindness.

[erick]

doc robinson hatch

[Cross Creek]

I prefer the Bates Hatch over all other hatch fowl I have fooled with over the years. What I like about them is that they cut enough to win pure without having to cross with another family. Thier orginal make up I understand was Blue Face crossed on McLean. I personally think they were gave a touch of White Hackel blood. But to me they are the best all around Hatch blood.

[dantes_pick61]

anybody can post oakgrovehatch pls.and what is the style of fighting of this hatch thanks..dante

[victor]

Hi Dante,
Oakgrove has 2 hatches or even more. I know of 2. Stewart YL and the Gilmore. I got this blood in the late 80's or so.
I had both. The Stewarts were not fancy birds and they dont turn well. If you spar them you wouldnt buy them. But they were one of the CUttingest birds ive ever seen. I remember I had 1 reject (Short) and I put a knife in him to test with the others. He basically killed 3 birds in a span of 1 hour with out a scratch. Same with his brothers in the derbies. I eventually lost interest in them due to the Station. They were short. ALL came that way no matter how I carefully select. Boy, they were great birds.

The GIlmore is also pretty drn good. They had awesome ability for a hatch and can CUT better than most hatches. I believe Carol got his hatches from Gene.

Gene roams around here somewhere so maybe he can answer in more detail your questions.

Best,
Victor Sierra

[Vernell V.]

ok din COL. GIVENS HATCH ... yun breeding ko eh ... hehehe ...

[desertfire]

i`ll go for

Givens hatch Sir Vernell ;)

Gavilan

High Action

Triple Hatch

Magnum Hatch

[dantes_pick61]

pare victor mayron ka bang sample na oakgrove hatch picture pls...kasi mayrong akong kaibigan sabi niya may bloodline na oakgrove at nakita ko yong style goood cutting ...that why i want 2see...ur pics thanks

[FirstBlood]

Victor:

Is the Gilmore of Oakgrove come green legged, deep red and straight comb?

[bak_dat_ass_up]

i have a Mclean hatch given to me by my uncle for breeding, but the problem is he is a very aggressive man fighter. It never crossed my mind to breed that chicken because he will pass it on to his offspring, but it already won 4 times from my uncle. I decided to fight that mclean hatch without telling my uncle, as the day of conditioning goes by I realized that I have already tamed the chicken and already controlled, connected and adjusted to his behaviour. To make the story short I fought the mclean hatch, indeed he is the aggressor but i will never forget his fighting ability he is a flyer and shuffles to the air with a good cutting ability with his head back and feet out, he circles the opponent in the air like evading the opponents feet. he lands on the opponents back and leave a fatal wound and delivers one strong kick on the head, you would even hear the 'puk' sound. and the opponent is dead. he is now a 5 time winner slightly wounded. I hope all mclean hatch are aggressive but smart, It will even kill those 'abang' chickens.

[victor]

Hi Dante,
I dont have a pic but their green legged is Dark, they comb Pea but sometimes thows a straight comb, green leg.
Their eyes have a slight Dark ring ala dark fowl.

Victor

[Vernell V.]

maka givens tayo eh ... so lets fight for our breeding line ... hehehe ... pero testing ko pa sila this december ... hehehe ... good day to all

[danterecopuerto]

thanks for good complements to me good luck..dante

[Vernell V.]

basta ok e cross para maging battle cock na yun ...

[swtrhtch1925]

Larry Carter Hatch
Givens Hatch
Mel Sims Hatch
Leiper Hatch of Red Fox Farm/Mike Middleton

[Vernell V.]

daming mga magandang hatches now .. goodluck mga idols

[SALVAJE]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h146/asbok/Picture003.jpg

This a pic of my Mclean Broodcock. These birds are very game but needs to be crossed to make battle folws.

Salvaje

[SALVAJE]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h146/asbok/Picture001.jpg

Here is a 2 time Araneta winner. These Mcleans originated from Harry Parr. They come both green and yellow legs. This one has a quarter Kelso.

Salvaje

[partner888]

beautiful birds !!!

[Vernell V.]

:rbounce: super gwapo ...

[Vernell V.]

idol ko ang mga mclean :rbounce:

[jsc_united]

me too!!!

[cesar123]

I like the yellow legged mcleans of Ray Hoskin lines. Also like the Ruble.

[Vernell V.]

:rolleyes:

[BananaCamp]

Frank Steele and Mel Simms Hatch from Red Hat Muldrow OK......brudda, da samat kine

[johndinosicat]

who has the best Mclean hatch in town?..we owned an Eddie Boy Ledesma's Mclean Hatch broodcock 8 years ago...very powerful, do they still exist?

1/2 Mclean Hatch from Boy Ledesma...looks very matured to thier young age...this is the only problem to this line.(di halos pumapasa sa screening sa stag derby)

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b114/paragonabile/throwbacklemonstag-8.jpg

[ApUnG sImEoN]

Curtis "blackwell" not sure about the bloodline composition there nothing but game!

[SALVAJE]

Curtis Blackwell got his hatch blood from Harry Parr and Ted Mclean who were partners. I met Mr. Blackwell a year before his death and had chicken talk with him. I got some Mclean from him but I do not have them anymore, I still have the Clarets which he got from Mr. Kelso.

Harry and Curtis had a friendly main. Curtis fighting the Clarets and Harry the Mcleans. Curtis won the main on the odd, but I was told that Harry won his money back when they hacked after the main. The Mcleans that I posted originated from Harry Parr. I got it from his boyhood friend who received all of Harry's breeding stocks at the time that tha former was having problems with his wife. Harry's wife called the hayupacks on him. They come both green and yellow legs and I was told that they are the same. You ca breed green to green and sometines a yellow leg will come out and vice versa. Form some reason I have had better luck with the YL.

Salvaje

[aatcalnor]

The Coon hatch is the best I've ever seen. I have a few on my yard check out my website.

[pangga gamefarm]

billy ruble mclean, full of power

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g90/teddy52872/broodfowls/hatchbrmclean5.jpg

[Vernell V.]

ganda sir pangga ...:D

[george]

GLH broodstag.

[mauricir]

All the way... Have this line for 20 yrs and still can fight with the best. All around fighters... Mostly suitable here in the USA due to a smaller pits and their aggressiveness. http://www.sabong.net.ph/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1732&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

[aatcalnor]

http://www.freewebs.com/aalcones/contactus.htm

[stag killer]

the best hatch is lemon hackle hatch. I have one that has won 26 fights never lost and is huge. he one of the biggest hatch I have ever seen and he is pure blooded.

He would have been a champion if he hadn't got'en spured in the eye.

PM for pics.

[stag killer]

how do you ad images

[jl_brother]

How about the Daveward Hatch? Any comment!

[desertfire]

Sir Salvaje; Pangga gamefarm; George and Mauricir,

am very impressed with your hatches Mga Sir if ever there`s any extra hen or a pair that you would want to spare i would be very glad to know for a friendly price ;) for a beginner. Thanks and God bless

[stupid_crook]

For pedigreed...YLH! For crosses.. Rubbles/BFace/Mclean!

[Vernell V.]

:D

[allan_dubai]

:D


kasi meron ako 5x winner, he he he

[lasat_master]

everybody has their own hatch lines but i personally love the bates hatch.....all i need in my opinion but still cross well with my white kelso....

Lasat

[dantes_pick61]

anybody knows sandy hatch....any info or photo pls.......thanks

[Darkwing]

Ghetto,

I'm just wondering, do you still have some of those leipers left in your farm?

[Underhack]

Is it safe to say that all hatch fowl have the Ted Mclean blood influence and were basiclly all started by this man?

[windjammer2]

It is Sanford Hatch that started the line. It was Heinie Mathesius who improved it as the original version were Low headed and dumb fighters, by placing an eight blood of the Morgan Whitehackle it became smarter , high headed fighters and retaining the power and deep game qualities . From there it went to Ted Mclean.

[Hotspring]

underhack, your PM inbox is full.

[Underhack]

Thanks for the reply. So basiclly all the Hatch fowl are known to have went through the hands of Mclean? Is there any other people that was known to have gotten some of Sandys Hatches or Heinie Mathesius blood that carried them on other then Mclean? If not we could say that all hatch fowl are Mclean Hatches that were from Mclean of Hatches bloodlines. All other names put on the hatch were of people who made them there own bloodlines.
Hotspring I will go through my messages . Try again tonight

[ridgerunner 2000]

you can say anything you like but you are only fooling yourself

CG

[Underhack]

why dont you explain what you mean ridgerunner 2000?

[irishcutt]

Underhack, many folks had Hatch blood before Ted McLean got his part of them. For instance Judge Leiper got some of the blood from Sanford Hatch, Tom Murphy of Murphy fame swapped brood fowl with Sanford Hatch. C.C. Cooke with J.D. Perry got some of the Sanford Hatch blood as well as E. W. Law. There was a Dave Ward of Kansas who helped raise cocks for Law and Hatch that got some of the Hatch blood. Many men back in the glory days of cocking in this country got hatch blood before McLean. But I believe McLean made a better name for his then some of the others when he campaigned in the big lon heel Florida Tournaments of years ago and the short heel tournaments like the CLaymore and Lally. Plus men like Curtis Blackwell and Harold Brown got hold of the Mcleans and made a name for themselves with the McLean family of Hatch.Later Sweater McGinnis got some Mclean blood and made the now famous Blue Face. And this is what brought the Mclean family of hatch blood to prominence...

[albert c]

HATCH

Nice input Iriscutt . Very interesting. Can you add anything on Bill L. Ruble hatch, coz my inlaws here still got the old Ruble hatch line. Not pure anymore but could be just a drop blood left thats walking around their farm.

You know Hatch is my favorite and first choice in any survey. Thanks Bro.

[ridgerunner 2000]

sorry about the catty remark i made Underhack,i was just hoping it would bring out a good input like Irishcut made.

CG

[gerardvilla]

Hi Charles,
Did you get the email i sent you. Thanks

Gerard

[Underhack]

Irish as always great information. I didnt know the fowl were spread out as much as they were.I would think they probably were but didnt hear to much about it other then Mclean.
ridgerunner 2000 dont worry about it ,I ask questions to learn I think that is why we are all here unless your here to sell fowl

[albert c]

RIDGERUNNER... , man you really are a gentleman. You're quick in apologizing when you make a wrong move. Very gentlemanly.

[ricko]

mclean and rubles :)

[HAS]

George ang ganda ng tindig ng green legged hatch mo!
heres another red ginn toppy/blueface cross.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i164/hascumfides/oct12006021.jpg

[gemini1]

Of all the "pure" Green Legged Hatches I've ever seen...its the McLean GL Hatch that impresses me the most. They have the speed, smartness and multiple shuffling abilities that I couldn't found on any other GL Hatches. Ground fighters and has enough power and gameness that I can trust. Cross well to almost any lines...light or heavy strains. Very suitable for long-knife fighting. Even pures can still win the fights.

Though, some of them are manfighters (this is one thing that scares some to bred GL Hatches), but through selective breeding....selecting only the non-manfighters, and selecting specimens with the best station and also has great ability to cut both in air and in the ground this skills will be produced in any line of Hatches especially the McLeans.

In the past I have GL McLeans, and this is the only Hatch I have on my farms. But, as of now I just entrust the breeding of this great fowl line to my friends to cut on cost on maintaining lots of birds on my farm. If my Sweaters and Roundheads starts to show lack of gameness and power then I will cross them to McLeans to make them tougher. I think at present there's no need to, as my Sweater-Roundhead cross are very reliable and don't need the blood of McLeans.

;)

[silver2dmoon]

Does one really need lots of hatch types in his yard ? Or is it more of a want than a need ? I for one am happy with my Mcleans... but then I ended grabbing WT Greene's Blueface when I was there simply for my peace of mind ... I don't want to blame myself in the end that I did not grab the opportunity to get WT's blueface while I was there when the man himself was already 96 and still keeps a few of his birds. I won't be surprised if those remaining birds were his top notch birds...and so ... I grabbed a blueface together with the Grey that I wanted.
Now I have a Mclean and a Blueface...but in good time, I will decide which one will remain. :hippie:

[george]

Thanks HAS.

[deersprings]

ang ganda naman nyan san galing ang blood line mo.

[silver2dmoon]

HAROLD... wow legs ! type ko.

[rumpshakerrr]

got the same probs with my blueface blends- manfighters but they fight like hell (smarties , too). got quite a few come from behind wins that's why can't let em go... especially the wine colored ones ( which comes dark blue legs or dark green legs).... my golden hackles come lite green legs...

[ROUND HEAD MAN]

hack lauderdale hatches no body has any better hands down the best i have ever seen fight.

[ValianT]

Mclean hatch,
they are tough! :evil:

[dogmancarter]

The only fertile egg of 9.

[ValianT]

awesome!
it looks like the same (color) people from West Indies...:hippie:

[edmcclaskey]

doc robinson hatch
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/edmcclaskey/DSC00569-1.jpg

[dogmancarter]

Thats a record

[edmcclaskey]

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/edmcclaskey/DSC00545.jpg

[bebotzar]

nice one ed.

[tonio]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/sabong_tonio/DSC_1641-1.jpg

[Starrer]

Handsome looking hatch you got there Tonio...

[hope1126]

nice hatch tonio....

[ROUND HEAD MAN]

Like I Said Hack Lauderdale

[kingsgamefarm]

In Reply To Sotangbastos I Have Not Seen That Fight. But Roger
Get In The Money In Sunset With His Hatch In 2006 Sk. I Just Try
To Help. I Have Not Show My Hatch In Lk. But My Present Partners
Have Shown This Birds In Springrook To Bayou For The Past 15 Years.
Pure & B. C. In Lk.

[guapo]

have anyone tried MCLEAN X Rubles??

[jabez]

what about the bonecrushers of gary gilliam? have they been mentioned?

[dogmancarter]

What about those with crown comb. Anybody has info on them

[mountain view]

I like the Col. hatch

[Butch Inson]

www.circlelfarm.net

www.circlel.bravehost.com

www.circlelfarm.bravehost.com

[reyes23]

does anyone have wardell hatch

[alex-g1]

there are good and bad in every modern hatch strain. Some Mcleans are good, some are not. Some Leiper are good, and some are not. Fighting style is a matter of selection towards your selection standard. If two persons will get their hatch that are full brothers and sisters from the same source and breed them according to their standard, their fighting style will eventually change after long years of selection if you have the patience.

If Mr. A likes the purely offensive no waving, head first, bill hold and manfighters type while Mr B likes the smart waving, feet first, no billhold type, not manfighters, their fowls will become like that after long years of selection. It doesn't matter where your fowls came from. The shortest way is to start with a strain whose fighting traits already suits you, and just continue the work of the previous breeder. If you are good enough, you might even improve it further, or worse, they will deteriorate in your hands.

Fighting traits are behavioral and are additive, it is multifactorial, and polygenic. Just like the Hound dog breeders, only the good trackers are selected to breed. The sheep herding dogs, the retrievers and so on. The selection standard is based on physical and behavioral conformation.

[tatodupaya]

Very informative

[edmcclaskey]

doc hatch

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h217/edmcclaskey/DSC00544.jpg

[ziddez106]

unknown hatch origin...

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i192/ziddez106/apecfarm-1.jpg

[dogmancarter]

Yeah very informative.

[EAA Indians]

I was so impressed with the "Shaking" (cutting style) of Tonio's WSD Entry that I searched for a very similar Shaking-cutting style (niyuyugyug). I found a Spangle Hatch that picked up the other cock and shook it until it was over. When you pick up the other cock, it would be like shreded meat. So, I called this Spangle hatch, the Corn Beef line.

[ezil25]

My GLHatch

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j230/ezil25/Picture001.jpg

[joebertm]

Cecil Hatch

[partner888]

nice hatch ezil25 :)

[PFG_DCB_FARM]

Aloha my bradah! try the blueface hatch mix with kelso. they are game.


key...mahalo!

[dogmancarter]

Is anyone going to reply to my question about the crowned comb fowl.

[JericP]

Heinie Mathesius Wheaton hatch

[JericP]

straight comb mclean

[dogmancarter]

Heinie Mathesius Wheaton hatch
are they crowned comb.

[JericP]

Heinie Mathesius wheaton hatch

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o167/jericp/DSC00384.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o167/jericp/DSC00381.jpg

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o167/jericp/DSC00385.jpg

[JericP]

Straight comb Mclean from Rhony Miller Tennessee

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o167/jericp/DSC00393.jpg

[rkysat]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/rkysat/Stag-5.jpg

[rkysat]

The Stag shown above is a winner. Throws a lot of feet & power to the max.....

cheers

[gemini1]

I still prefers McLean green legs. Crosses well to almost any lines.

[Butch Inson]

Share some hatches picture

[joebertm]

Finally knew how to post pics.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g37/joebertm/batism018.jpg

CECIL HATCH STAG Of LS Vice - Murcia

[Butch Inson]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o312/karraho/bluefacehatchfromCircleLFarm.jpg

[Butch Inson]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o312/karraho/PICT0390.jpg

[vanjo dayot]

nice and powerfull look hatches

[floresmay]

mother hatch hen
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7/floresmay/PerryHatch.jpg

one of sons that recently won in Cebu
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7/floresmay/flores041-1.jpg

[floresmay]

younger brother
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7/floresmay/SweaterPHatch11.jpg

[tonio]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/sabong_tonio/DSC_1996.jpg

[mountain view]

i like these..col..I havent seen anything hit harder ,and they fight fast as a sweater
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c37/par5/DSCN1603.jpg

[penafranciacoli]

mclean hatch
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d36/7NRMC/7NRMC%20and%20PANTERBIRD%20BROODFOWLS/broodfowls002.jpg

[eaglebeak]

Mclean Hatch

[hope1126]

Butch Inson

the hatch picture you posted are the hatches of Joey Lacson of Circle L . they look awesome... are you related to Joey? just curios...

[gentlemancocker]

others..:)

[jerome2985]

i'll go for GILMORE HATCH...!

[tonio]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/sabong_tonio/DSC_0865.jpg

[tonio]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/sabong_tonio/DSCN9394.jpg

[tonio]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/sabong_tonio/mulawin.jpg

[rkysat]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f333/rkysat/Stcomb.jpg