creatine and its use.....

[galaxy]

I STARTED USING CREATINE DURING MY KEEP. THE WHITE POWDER STICKS TO THE FEED WHEN U MIX WHEATGERM OIL WITH THE GRAINS.

IF YOU HAVENT RESEARCHED CREATINE AND WHAT IT DOES FOR ATHELETES..........DO IT.

OUR FIGHTS WERE ALWAYS SHORT BECAUSE OUR COCKS ARE SUPERB CUTTERS. BUT WHEN WE SAW THE ADDED "POWER" THEY HAD WITH THEIR CUTTING.......THE FIGHTS WERE EVEN OVER SOONER. INCREDIBLE HITTING POWER FROM CREATINE.

ITS A PERMANENT PART OF OUR PREPARATION PROGRAM.

GALAXY

[Camarines]

What brand do you use? Have you tried TwinLab capsules (60 caps in a bottle cost about $18.00). I just bought 5 bottles of powdered creatine at a discount store. The Advanced Creatine by TwinLab (caplets) at $9.95 per bottle is good to use.

[Texascockpit]

Could you please post the details.I might try to use it here in the Phil.Thanks.

[solraya]

texascockpit,

look into Voltplex KQ

[bien1931]

cockers posted use of creatine mono. in conditioning their cocks.
creatine monohydrate is an alkaloid or amino acid that is present
in mtDNA muscles cells. This stuff creates a burst of energy when
its explossive force when muscles contracts it acts like a turbo for the muscles contraction. It also improves athletic performance, help rebuild muscle mass and shorten recovery time. in heavy
training you give 0.1mg daily in light training 0.5 mg. daily.
bien31

[malalim]

bien1931,

Why do you give more during light training (0.5 mg) than during heavy training (0.1 mg)? Was it just a typo or is this really your program? Just curious.

TJ (Texascockpit),

A number of brands are available in local health stores (GNC, Healthy Options, Health and Beyond), both in capsule and powdered form.

Only thing you need to watch out is the water intake when using creatine. They tend to go dry a little bit faster thus requiring more than the usual/regular water or wet feeding. Other than that no other detrimental side effects.

[bien1931]

Malalim, sorry its a typo error 0/1 light training and 0.5 at heavy training.

[ROM_PH]

We use Joe Weider's Creatine capsules. This is the one typical body builders use. Usually, on a 21, 14, or 7 days keep we give our battlecocks 1 capsule a day before training. This really gives the cocks extra boost.

The 7 by 7 cock experiment I did:

1 used creatine for 7 cocks = we scored 6/7

then we stopped using it, then we had a losing streak of 7

then tried it on two cocks again and both won 2/2


Also, one experiment I did is use it for a small Tagalog cock and it won over an imported brown red of a big time cocker.

With this experiment, I won't fight a cock unless it's loaded with creatine.

[onieaces]

dr bien

just a question do you use pro crit inject

just asking whats this m is any body use pro-crit

thanks

onie

[Bty Hunter]

Wow thats a mighty expensive drug there..do you mean Procrit or Epoetin ( Epogen?)..Damn thats $1,000 bucks per therapy dipensed in IU's/1cc/ vial....Pretty potent drug used in treating anemia..commonly used in our Dialysis and Oncology patients that is recoverring from immunosuppression....is this the drug bro?..Damn! I'd like to hear how this one worked for chickens.

[Bty Hunter]

Anyway i've tried Thomas Labs Creatine caps(500mg/tab) its very good we got the explosive burst too..but we do experiment now where trying the creatinine caps i bought from Vitamin Shoppe 750mg/cap 300caps/bottle @ $32.00 ea. cheaper

Thanks Bien1931,
Maybe we ought to cut on our dozing..i suppose you use the anhydrous powder form..How do you do it administer it in empty gel caps...I'm just a bit confused on the dozing, i thought creatine is being used by body builders to create lean muscle mass..thats why the labels read they take 3-4 capsules at a time , do our fowls really need this little in milligrams only( 0.5 and 1 mg as you've said)?

[Camarines]

www.twinlab.com

[simplisity68]

i use the the creatine thats in a dropper
been using it for two years now wont figth w/out it
used it here in california and there in the pi its really good
i use it myself also
:sprcool:

[redwings]

creatine is a natural substance produced by amino acids used my muscles as energy for them to contract. its waste product is creatinine that is excreted through urine and feces as urobilin or stercobilin. if you or your fowls have to much of creatinine, pwede kang ma stroke and your skin will have a yellow discoloraton.

[reybanz]

suppose you are using a TWINLAB CREATINE FUEL powder that is designed for human consumption, what will be the dossage of this powder in game fowls?

[tsampoy]

if your cocks need some help call hotline 24-712-365.:smoke:

[bien1931]

Cockmates, I use the ATP Advantage creatine serum its liquid 5.1 oz. bottle at $29.99 canbe ordered at 1-800-338-0139. Each 5 ml.is equivalent to 2.5 gms. of creatine. Give 0.6 ml. 2x daily 14 days keep 0,=.6 afert wt. in and 0.3 when # is called. The creatine liquid is given nuder the cocks tongue also 1 or 2 dip of honey in water, the sugar will make the cock produce INSULIN
that is needed to drive the creatine molecule to the muscles,this
is only after the wt. in and # is called.

[JR FLORES]

COULD ANYONE GIVE ME AN IDEA HOW 2 USE CREATINE CAPSULE ON 14 & 21 DAY KEEP WITHOUT OVER DOSING IT.


THANKS

[allan racho]

sir, how will i use it? up to what no. of days of conditioning and also the amount to be given to each bird? could anyone give me an answer pls?

[marsman I]

guys,

is it okay to use creatine with dextrose plus the usual PI medications (codlivine, viminolak, red gel, etc.)?:crazy:

[ROM_PH]

The dosage, typically I give 1 capsule a day for 7/14/21 day keep. Sometimes, for a 7 day keep I give 2 capsules everyday, 1 before training or sparring session and 1 after.

Creatine usage requires loading, this is the period where you saturate the creatine level of your cock, typically 5 days. So if you give your cock 10 capsules for 5 days then it's already saturated with creatine. Creatine is nothing but ATP which is needed by the muscles to perform it's peak during repetetive activity.

Hope this help.

Regards!

[JR FLORES]

ROM_PH

SO U HAVE 2 GIVE CREATINE UNTIL FIGHT DAY COZ I USUALLY GIVE 1 AMINO PLEX N 1 B 15 TAB ON FIGHT DAY SO IF I ADD CREATINE S NOT GOING TO OVER DOSE MY FOWL


THANKS

[pogipoint]

Creatine and creatinine is two different substance..I think the one used by bodybuilder are creatinine monohydrate for muscle development for improve performance. ATP or adenosine Triphosphate is not Creatine.

All animals have ATP needed for sudden burst of energy. Normally this sudden burst of energy last for only 10 seconds and cannot be reused rightaway again. For example, if a house is burining. you can lift a refrigerator out of the burning house because your mitochondria releases ATP for extra energy.

Only ATP can do that. why do we need creatinine? to extend the burst of energy up to 120 seconds or two minutes. what will happer to your fighting cock after two minutes...

I don't know. anyone who does..please share...

The dosage for creatinine monhydrate is 1 grams per kg of bodyweight.

I am still researching.....anyhelp would be appreciated

[ROM_PH]

I only use Creatine for the keep, since protein usually is required to build the muscle. Once the muscle built, you need to sustain it and give it a boost, that's what ATP does. Therefore, during fight day, creatine is most essential because you just need the extra boost for your cock to sustain the same level of blow.

Creatine usually has an effectivity period, therefore it is best to give it 30 minutes before the actual fight so you take full advantage of it. This is the same principle that body builders or athletes apply when using creatine -- 3-5 capsules before workout 3-5 during and 3-5 after workout.

Good thing about the use of creatine is that there is no known side effect except in my experience -- aggression which is good.

[ROM_PH]

Pareng Pogipoint,

Here's the link to some creatine info sites:

http://www.creatinemonohydrate.net/creatine_background.html#Creatine%20Information%20 1

http://www.bla.net/opul/crfaq.htm

Pare,

With all due respect, there is no substance called creatinine monohydrate please refer to twisted terminologies section on this site --> http://www.athletictrainer.com/2000/07/03/eng-peakhealth/eng-peakhealth_151444_45_6015353207476.cfm

On the contrary, there is a substance called "creatine monohydrate" and that's what I personally use.

I hope all these info help and links help.

[ROM_PH]

Base on my limited knowledge, creatinine is an inactive by-product of creatine found in kidney. Having high level of creatinine can lead to kidney breakdown, that is why some researches are attributing creatine supplementation to probable kidney failure but it hasn't been proven yet because again creatine and creatinine are two different things.

:wink2:

[pogipoint]

rom thanks for the information, very helpfull...get confused with creatine or creatinine.

this is a very potent compound when used in fighting cock. I find this subject very interesting....

Based on your experience....what side effects do you encounter after prolong use?

Any withdrawall period? Can we still use the cock for breeding? How long is the loading?

How do you differentiate steroids vs creatine?

after giving creatine, how do you control the water intake of your bird? do you supplement it with dextrose or glucose?

I tried using Biodyl with testosterone enunciate...the results is very good. Powerful with plenty of air. even if your cock is hanging for his dear life..he still shuffles.

Planning to give creatine as another supplement...lets see what will happen..

thank you for the information

[ROM_PH]

No problem pare,

There were studies made that suggests that prolong or continous use of creatine may result to kidney problem although again it hasn't been proven yet.

No side effects have been found except bigger muscles and in my experience aggression.

It's very different from steroids, first steroids have known and established adverse side effects, creatine is allowed to be used in olympics and any sport leagues. Body builders, weight-lifters, runners and athletes doing repetetive movements benefit most from the use of creatine -- cockfight belongs to this category.

More water intake for the cocks is necessary for the proper absorption of creatine in the muscles.

I think glucose and dextrose would complement creatine use but be carefull not to make your cocks Wrestler-like, ideal cocks for me are lean and mean like Manny Pacquiao.

;)

[pogipoint]

thanks a lot for the valuable informations, and for sharing your knowledge.

Mabuhay Ka!

[ligas_paka2006]

:cool:

[lybamba]

nakamina ka na naman, d ka ba naduduling sa kahuhukay mo?

[juan sabungero]

pogipoint
have you tried using creatine with testosterone enunciate . . .
any feedback please

[ivanclark]

I only use Creatine for the keep, since protein usually is required to build the muscle. Once the muscle built, you need to sustain it and give it a boost, that's what ATP does. Therefore, during fight day, creatine is most essential because you just need the extra boost for your cock to sustain the same level of blow.

Creatine usually has an effectivity period, therefore it is best to give it 30 minutes before the actual fight so you take full advantage of it. This is the same principle that body builders or athletes apply when using creatine -- 3-5 capsules before workout 3-5 during and 3-5 after workout.

Good thing about the use of creatine is that there is no known side effect except in my experience -- aggression which is good.

Sir ROM, this creatine that you are using are 700mg capsule from GNP? waiting your immediate response. email me; ivanclarkpo@yahoo.com

[hatchman2]

do you give the creatine the last 3 days during the pointing process ? what about the day of competition? thanks for any info !

[wawak1026]

Mga sir,

Where could I buy? and what particular creatine products? preferrably capsule. I am a junior member and want to try. I am here in the province.

thanks in advance

[gamefowl84]

Creatine is it depending on what kind of amount do you want to dosage him like my old cocker alway tell me to think like a chickens to understand what he want using your own judgments to solve your action for creatine using in a professional aesthetic building muscle tissue ..for chicken you dont want to dosage him too much are he will be musclar with no longer stroke.

[mojo]

Creatine is it depending on what kind of amount do you want to dosage him like my old cocker alway tell me to think like a chickens to understand what he want using your own judgments to solve your action for creatine using in a professional aesthetic building muscle tissue ..for chicken you dont want to dosage him too much are he will be musclar with no longer stroke.

creatine alone won't make your rooster look like arnold swartzeneger, its how you train the rooster.

[alex-g]

creatine supplement, theoritically will add another 2 to 3 seconds in their phophagen ATP phase. It will also cause water retention in the tissue and can cause cramping and tearing of the musculo-skeletal tissues during intense activities like sprinting.

It lowers tolerance on heat related stress and may cause heat stroke. A latest sports related death of a 19 year old football player is being blamed on creatine supplement. He simply overheated in the field and died of heat stroke surrounded by his fellow students and coach.

There are pros and cons in using it. But if it works on you, use it.

[flipsidas]

hehehe creatine is the best I USED ROMPHOENIX Method and its has good amazing result the 6 chicken that i fought 5 of them won.1 lose. 3 was unscratched the 2 died after the fight the one that lose almost won he was winning but he couldnt peck cuz he had wounds on his neck opponent is dead also .. the 2 that won that died after the fight they had very very bad cuts and they stil managed to comeback....hehe imagine that 3 were unscracthed

[localboy_21]

i was wondering if you give creatine during the last 3 days as well?

thanks

[flipsidas]

yep i did i gaved them i capsule 30 mins before sparr or training i was wondering if you give creatine during the last 3 days as well?

thanks

[ristek0720]

up lang natin..i use creatine and amino222 for my 21day conditioning keep,but for the last 3days i use voltplex to give my cock proper digestion,bec. good digestion is a factor in pointing a cock,and 2-3hrs b4 d fyt i give turbogen booster it is a creatine-ribose supplement, gel type..put it under the tounge

[tagadao]

up lang natin..i use creatine and amino222 for my 21day conditioning keep,but for the last 3days i use voltplex to give my cock proper digestion,bec. good digestion is a factor in pointing a cock,and 2-3hrs b4 d fyt i give turbogen booster it is a creatine-ribose supplement, gel type..put it under the tounge

how much is turbogen booster?

[banogon8]

[QUOTE=ROM_PH;24740]I only use Creatine for the keep, since protein usually is required to build the muscle. Once the muscle built, you need to sustain it and give it a boost, that's what ATP does. Therefore, during fight day, creatine is most essential because you just need the extra boost for your cock to sustain the same level of blow.

Creatine usually has an effectivity period, therefore it is best to give it 30 minutes before the actual fight so you take full advantage of it. This is the same principle that body builders or athletes apply when using creatine -- 3-5 capsules before workout 3-5 during and 3-5 after workout.

Good thing about the use of creatine is that there is no known side effect except in my experience -- aggression which is good.[/QUO

not to offend you sir
just minimize the used coz it damage their kidney,, right dosage is ok but long term is not good

[ristek0720]

[QUOTE=ROM_PH;24740]I only use Creatine for the keep, since protein usually is required to build the muscle. Once the muscle built, you need to sustain it and give it a boost, that's what ATP does. Therefore, during fight day, creatine is most essential because you just need the extra boost for your cock to sustain the same level of blow.

Creatine usually has an effectivity period, therefore it is best to give it 30 minutes before the actual fight so you take full advantage of it. This is the same principle that body builders or athletes apply when using creatine -- 3-5 capsules before workout 3-5 during and 3-5 after workout.

Good thing about the use of creatine is that there is no known side effect except in my experience -- aggression which is good.[/QUO

not to offend you sir
just minimize the used coz it damage their kidney,, right dosage is ok but long term is not good

gud opinion! try to xperiment!and you wil see the diffrence..