which is a better knife?

[bukol]

which is a better knife?
i've been told by many people that the socket knife is a better knife than the traditional filipino socket knife.but i have not had the chance to try it for myself.give my your opinions if you can.
bukol

[JC]

IMHO, it doesn't matter.

What matters is: Is the knife set right? Can your roosters cut?

Thanks!

[GoldenDragon]

ang cute naman ng pangalan mo "bukol"....

right now mas gusto kong socket knife but of course a matter of opinion lang naman iyan.

madali kasing ikabit eh and according to my friend totoy dela cruz mas acurate because you do not have to use too much thread.

talk to yah later!!!

[george]

golden dragon,

i was looking into the the vons and the killer bees socket knives. the killer bees had a side set of 11:00 and 1:00. not really quite sure how that works. they said depende daw sa palo ng manok yung side set na gagamitin mo. any particular socket knives you prefer? i just want to get some ideas before i sink my money into them.

thanks in advance. yis

george

[lagon]

My own opinion about the socket and the fork knife, I always put the knife for my warrior, I was using socket before but not anymore, because it's not cutting better than a Fork Knife, especially if your warrior have problem with the left leg it's hard to adjust if you are using the socket.
That's my experienced. Keep cocking.

[GoldenDragon]

tell you the truth I am not so knowledgeable when it comes to knives... coz it is always my gaffer who does everything for me....

but george maybe you should just wait until you come here marami din magaling na gumawa dito .... Malaysian knife ang pinaka matinik na knife dito....

see you soon... iyong order ko huwag mong kalimutan... forget the eggs from henry brown, his computer is busted so I can not get a hold of him.....

do not forget to call when you get here OK ?

thanks and mabuhay ka!!!

[Rigolleto]

I agree with Golden Dragon, the Malaysian knife is the best, it was so good it was banned in some Metro Manila cockpits about 15 years ago because a group of Malaysian cockers kept on winning almost all the derbies using these knives on local birds and the native sabungeros could not understand why and since the only thing different used was the blade, they refused to fight when these blades were used. I befriended one of the Malaysian guys and he told me there was nothing sinister about the knives. He gave me one of his older knife and he taught how to set it. By the way, I come from a family of gaffers, tracing back to my grandfather. I then realised that it was the design of the knife that made it so deadly. The belly of the blade and its angle made all the difference. You'll never think that such a short blade can inflict that much damage on a fighting cock but I have seen it. I had some knives made for me by a blademaker named Esto in Mandaluyong based on the Malaysian design. We lengthened the blade slightly and it had the standard fork. The blade had a recurving belly and was offset and it was just as good as the original one and we were never questioned about it because to an untrained eye, it looks just like an ordinary blade.

[Kidd Sentencia]

If you read the Gamecock magazine, you know someone is selling these malaysian knives . He calls 'em FILAMM - Filipino American Malaysian knife. He has instructions on how to tie them too. He can be contacted thru the Gamecock Magazine. He've never had any complaint about using those knives fighting in Pinas as he claims of winning derbies with lots of help from his knives.

Kidd

[Rigolleto]

That is interesting. I have been living in New Zealand for the past 14 years and I am not up to date with the cockfighting scene, I have to rely on the net to obtain latest news. I have been back twice though, last time in Dec '99 for 3 weeks. Fought my brother in-laws roosters and won 5 out of 6 using my blades. How can I arrange to get a subscription for this magazine. Can you help ? Thanks in advance Originally posted by Kidd Sentencia:
If you read the Gamecock magazine, you know someone is selling these malaysian knives . He calls 'em FILAMM - Filipino American Malaysian knife. He has instructions on how to tie them too. He can be contacted thru the Gamecock Magazine. He've never had any complaint about using those knives fighting in Pinas as he claims of winning derbies with lots of help from his knives.

Kidd

[Kidd Sentencia]

Rigolleto, Here's their address:

GAMECOCK MAGAZINE
P.O. BOX 158
HARTFORD, AR. 72938

AR = ARKANSAS
Since you are in NZ, the cost is US$40.00 a year. But for a US address--$25.00/Year - 11 Copies as they don't publish in one of the off-season months. Write to them first if you wish. The $40 applies to all foreign (to US) addresses.

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[Harimanok]

According to Efraim Aguilar, Dave Aranez improvised the Malaysian socket knife. The knife is made of special metal from UK. Efraim claims the knife differs because of the intensity ot its devastating impact and incoparable shocking effect. It also use the shortest and thinnest wraps. The knife is manufactured in Phil by Rotsen Labat of Metro Manila.

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[Camarines]

In my own experience the best setting knife is the Filipino fork knife using either the traditional sapin or leather boot. You can set the knife up or down and also in or out. The point setting on the left leg is one eight of an inch to one fourth of an inch from the knee. You can lower the point by adding more sapin on top of the spur. Same with the leather wrap. My friend uses sapin with the leather wrap. He adds above or under the spur the sapin and puts the leather wrap. He can adjust the blade doing this depending on a groundfighter or a high flying bird. Most fights are done on the ground so he uses medium point. For the shufflers an even lower point. The right leg setting is flush on the inside of the right knee. The fact is as long as the knife is set on the leg it can do damage.

[tsampoy]

more inputs about malaysian knife design please.

[gensoriano]

Just used 8 pieces recently as designed/made by August Moon. This is the first time we used this set (straight from the box). Here is what I noticed, Medyo "maganit" itama. My friend said it is natural since this is the first time we used it. However consider the results, 6 wins out of 8 fights with 7 of our opponents dead and the other one at least wasted(baldado). I guess we cant argue with success. I like garol than leather.... :hippie:

gensoriano

[banderado84]

gensoriano...alin design ng tare ang sinubok mo...at anong materiales...ty

[gensoriano]

banderado84,

Super Cobalt Malaysian Design:hippie:

gensoriano

[sabit singson]

quote:

I like garol than leather...

What do you mean?

[gensoriano]

... garol is a part of a Filipino fork knife (I think it is the "fork" part) while almost all (if not all) socket knives has leather. I hope this clarified what I meant..:hippie:


gensoriano

[filamforks]

My answer is......
1. A knife that would maximize the force of impact.
2. A knife that would maximize the force of the pull
after the blade is deeply imbeded due to the
force of impact.
3. A knife that has the versatility to fit all the different
sizes of chicken legs.

My Filipino-American Fork Knife, a "hybrid" of the traditional Fil. fork knife and the American adjustable socket knife fulfills all the above goals.

Just my two cents about a real good knife.

filamforks

A one piece Fil-Am Fork Knife with a double recurve blade.

[tisdale]

andres bonifacio's "itak"...number one! hehehe

[banderado84]

filamforks.....whay is double recurve blade?:confused:

[filamforks]

banderado84,
Makers of regular knives(Kitchen knives, hunting knives, combat knives, etc, etc.... call a blade with a curved edge a "recurve" blade. Tari blades have curved edges so I think that they also can be called a "recurve blade". "Modern " tari blades are wider than the older traditional blades. Thinning out the wide blades especially towards the base of the blade will make another curve, thus the term "double recurve blade".
Hope this help.

filamforks

[teds_glh]

well I tried them both, and from my experience if you have a high breaking bird that do most of its fighting in the air, then socket is better, but the downfall on this type of knife is when the other bird is laying on the ground, sockets knives doesn't cut as well as the filipino knives.

[kyle_neis]

semi-hi point slasher knife is better, kahit standard lang ang padron mo, meaning manipis at pointed ang dulo palapad hangan puno ng garol. Importante bagong hasa palagi para isang daan lang ng manok mo makakapilay agad.

[gchrissuarez]

It depends. No one can say that one is better than the other(Fork and Socket).

Try them both and continue using the knife that works better for you and your fowl. What may work for one cocker or gaffer may or may not work for another.

Just keep an open mind on new ideas, weigh the pros and cons and try them out.

Take care and A Happy New Year to All Sabuneros here in Sabong.net.ph.


Chris

[JR FLORES]

IM JUST NEW N COCKFIGHTING N COULD ANYONE TELL ME WHERE 2 BUY A SOCKETKNIFE N DO THEY HAVE A MALAYSIAN SOCKETKNIFE MADE N HOW MUCH DOES IT COST ME?

[bustay2000]

i like the fork knife but the most important is the setting of the knife. no matter how very good the knife if the knife is not properly set....:o

[simplisity68]

i use these kinds of knives double edge medium low point
works well for me here in cali , but i have some trouble using them in the pi some cock pits dont allow it there in ilocos sur

[filamforks]

teds_glh,

Why do you think that a socket knife is only good for high flying or roosters that fight mostly in the air???

Jr Flores,

Alan Ray might have the kind of knife you're looking for. Think his website is www.alanray.com. I understand he has some knives on SALE(discounted price) at times.

Simplicity68,

I think that double edge blades are still not allowed in the
major cockpits in the PI. You can use them though in smaller pits or in tupadas and they won't care.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL GAMEFOWL LOVERS!!!!

filamforks

[Leocadio408]

Simplisity68,

I remember when I first saw the double edged knife back in the 80's. It was in Stockton, CA. A cockfighter by the name of Jimmy Johnson used it on his birds in the hackfights at one of the camps. I remember because we fought his bird, he always had white leg Kelsos, and he was heavily favored, and we won that fight, but our bird died. My uncle and his knifeman, at the time, said that they preferred the traditional single blade knives because the double edged knives made back then, were alot heavier and affected the way the cocks cut. Im sure the knives now are lighter. Are those knives popular now in CA? I havent been in the game since my uncle died in 1990.

[simplisity68]

i bought these knives from a friend of mine in san jose. i think im the only one right know that i know of thats using these knives
and yes its same as the traditional single edge blades.i do real good w/ these but i also have the traditional single edge kmifes
i prefer those better.

[arkinsly-jrl]

for me as a gaffer designs of the knife matter! ive been tying my own birds since i was young! i haved ordered a knife in cebu city just recently and designed it myself! its kind of expensive but its worthed! knife is effective if you put it right and your bird is good!

[goldenghost]

I agree with Golden Dragon, the Malaysian knife is the best, it was so good it was banned in some Metro Manila cockpits about 15 years ago because a group of Malaysian cockers kept on winning almost all the derbies using these knives on local birds and the native sabungeros could not understand why and since the only thing different used was the blade, they refused to fight when these blades were used. I befriended one of the Malaysian guys and he told me there was nothing sinister about the knives. He gave me one of his older knife and he taught how to set it. By the way, I come from a family of gaffers, tracing back to my grandfather. I then realised that it was the design of the knife that made it so deadly. The belly of the blade and its angle made all the difference. You'll never think that such a short blade can inflict that much damage on a fighting cock but I have seen it. I had some knives made for me by a blademaker named Esto in Mandaluyong based on the Malaysian design. We lengthened the blade slightly and it had the standard fork. The blade had a recurving belly and was offset and it was just as good as the original one and we were never questioned about it because to an untrained eye, it looks just like an ordinary blade.
can you please post the picture of an original malaysian knife.because Ive have not seen yet how it look like.

[hillsiderz]

i like the fork...

[The Mobster]

Malaysian knife is so deadly because of it thin curvy design and its low setting.

[pepperjack2011]

what is the best knife setting in a fork knife ? 11,12,12:30 or 1....thank u !!!

[The Mobster]

what is the best knife setting in a fork knife ? 11,12,12:30 or 1....thank u !!!

i would say 11