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hotspur
April 3rd, 2010, 06:19 AM
draven,nice pair of asilthai grades.asil grades as i said can not be fought as stags.but we fought 3 one pure in naked heel against a battle scarred cock.one at half grade in gaff again against a multi winner american battlecross cock.both died hard and loss,one at quarter grade against another american.and won with flying colors.i just dont like fighting stags be it on my americans or asil grades.just a few days ago we fought a bullstag asil grade at 16 months in a cock derby.and here is the video.
http://www.youtube.com/user/FNucum#p/u/8/j2KYsRCOx3E
compare with an aged asilgrade,cutting made easy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqjnW-RmwLg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0yjiNpKxvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2dW4aim-ZY
this is the one that died and came back to cut
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fldnWGsFA4M
paz brey of course bruv,your lucky in a sense that your brother started asil grading long before.the wealth of knowledge and experience acquired is priceless.as any kind of chickens,. asils also differs a lot from each other.only the breeder himself can correct faults and expand on the good traits of his own particular asil grade.that is why im sticking with my kind of asil,
what do we want from our grades?winning ability?,looks?fighting style?etc.or we just want to punish ourselves while others laugh and ridicule us for breeding a so so chicken,to fight their never say die texas.all ican say is it gives me the buzz when ever my asils kick ass,that is why i love them win or lose.

aemartinez
April 5th, 2010, 05:33 PM
black jap http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/mesquite029.jpg

aemartinez
April 5th, 2010, 05:50 PM
red jap http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/mesquite023.jpg

njyomo
April 5th, 2010, 06:34 PM
i am waiting for a half rezza asil x half rampuri asil to arrive this april. from a friend in UK. I plan to breed them directly with western fowls. will let you know what happens.


i get your point and that of draven's, chris. with boles red/white rampuri the only thing that is wanting is power. and that i believe can be acquired from the indian asil side. my indian asil hens had a brother sibling but became a casualty of an illness. in sparring then, he exhibited solid power punches but was a slow poke. thus, i thought of this mating as complemtary. anyways, i think you're much nearer in having 1.8's and 1.9's as this weight category is already ideal or "fightable" here in pinas.

mckurt
April 5th, 2010, 07:06 PM
what can you say about this pakistani asils?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emI8zCAuB38

they seem to have good cutting and lots of power with their kicks!

mckurt
April 5th, 2010, 07:17 PM
notice how asil threw his 360 degrees kick toward his opponent!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNorCdkTBpM&feature=related

enjoy!

competitor
April 5th, 2010, 11:40 PM
red jap http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/mesquite023.jpg



VERY NICE JAPS SIR!.....

DOUG HUGHES ASIL BLEND....ALREADY A 1 TIME WINNER IN LK...

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/100_6477.jpg

Mike Everett
April 6th, 2010, 12:32 AM
It's pretty much accepted that Sam Gowdy's Japs had an American bloodline bred into them. My question, have any of you oriental breeders infused American blood into Asil families and then bred toward the Asil side or would you consider this sacrilegious? And if you where to do this, would you breed an American cock to oriental hen, and then bred the grade back to a straight oriental hen or vise versa?

competitor
April 6th, 2010, 12:41 AM
It's pretty much accepted that Sam Gowdy's Japs had an American bloodline bred into them. My question, have any of you oriental breeders infused American blood into Asil families and then bred toward the Asil side or would you consider this sacrilegious? And if you where to do this, would you breed an American cock to oriental hen, and then bred the grade back to a straight oriental hen or vise versa?



HI MIKE!....HERE IS BASICALLY WHAT WE ARE DOING AT THE MOMENT.....ASIL COCK CROSS TO WESTERN HENS AND VICE-VERSA....ALSO,WE HAVE DONE SOME 1/2 N 1/2'S CROSS TO BOTH SIDES(HEN AND COCK) AS WELL...THIS IS BECAUSE WE ARE STILL ON A PROCESS OF FINDING THE BEST OUTCOME ACCORDING TO OUR STANDARDS OF FIGHTING.SO FAR OUR PRODUCE OF ASIL GRADES ARE LOOKING VERY WELL AT THEIR YOUNG AGE.....WE JUST HOPE THAT THEY WILL LIVE TO OUR EXPECTATIONS....IF NOT.....WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD......

HERE ARE SOME OF OUR ASIL GRADES THIS SEASON.....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20produce/nestorspicture124.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20produce/nestorspicture118.jpg

guardia civil
April 6th, 2010, 01:01 AM
Mike... i like that word sacrilegious.Well in PI most of the breeders would breed "away" from the asil side.Some may have done it more on the oriental side to produce seedfowls or just to preserve a family.True Asil lack the speed and aggresiveness but they are smart and built like a Hulk.
Most of the time the real problem is where to get a good family of Asil. Maybe a number of breeders have them but for these orientals to be the bread and butter of the whole breeding program- i've never seen one.I've heard some but their fame went with them in the grave.
Asil rooster x American hen or American rooster x Asil hen= for me its either or and hopefully we can come up with a nick.

Mike Everett
April 6th, 2010, 01:11 AM
Mike... i like that word sacrilegious.Well in PI most of the breeders would breed "away" from the asil side.Some may have done it more on the oriental side to produce seedfowls or just to preserve a family.True Asil lack the speed and aggresiveness but they are smart and built like a Hulk.
Most of the time the real problem is where to get a good family of Asil. Maybe a number of breeders have them but for these orientals to be the bread and butter of the whole breeding program- i've never seen one.I've heard some but their fame went with them in the grave.
Asil rooster x American hen or American rooster x Asil hen= for me its either or and hopefully we can come up with a nick.

Yes, my intent is to produce seed fowl with a heavy oriental influence. I have Asils from Doug Hughes, they are very inbred. I was thinking of infusing 1/8 to 1/16 Kearney Wh. into them. I plan on maintaining the straight family, but thought I would play with a American infusion to them. I'm new to oriental breeding, but can't help but admire them.

GG Crasher
April 6th, 2010, 01:21 AM
i believe mica & tonio romulo is doing very good with Rampuri Asil cross to american fowls, proven & tested fighting in a big derby.....

competitor
April 6th, 2010, 01:36 AM
Yes, my intent is to produce seed fowl with a heavy oriental influence. I have Asils from Doug Hughes, they are very inbred. I was thinking of infusing 1/8 to 1/16 Kearney Wh. into them. I plan on maintaining the straight family, but thought I would play with a American infusion to them. I'm new to oriental breeding, but can't help but admire them.



MIKE,THIS PARTICULAR ONE IS MAINLY A DOUG HUGHES ASIL LINE...HE WON LAST APRIL WITHOUT A SCRATCH....HE'S GOT A DASH OF A BLACK BLOOD IN HIM,
TO ADD MORE SPEED TO SUIT THE TYPE OF FIGHTING STYLE WE NEED IN THE SLASHER KNIFE TYPE OF WEAPON IN PI.,AFTER HIS WIN,WE DECIDED TO JUST PUT HIM IN THE BROOD PEN,DOES MADE SOME BATTLE CROSSES OUT OF HIM....


http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/100_6477.jpg



GOOD LUCK ON YOUR BREEDING IN THEM ORIENTALS!!!

Mike Everett
April 6th, 2010, 02:21 AM
Nice, is the Black blood from Doug also? I have the Blacks from him also. I've had people tell me they are no good, but I like them, very unusual characteristics for Black Blood.

competitor
April 6th, 2010, 02:39 AM
Nice, is the Black blood from Doug also? I have the Blacks from him also. I've had people tell me they are no good, but I like them, very unusual characteristics for Black Blood.


I HAVE'NT PARTICULARLY HAVE D.H. BLACKS....BUT MY FRIEND WHO ORIGINALLY OWNED THAT PARTICULAR WINNER HAS....

HERE ARE SOME OF HIS OFFSPRINGS WE PRODUCED LAST YEARS OFF SEASON BREEDING....


http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture196.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture183.jpg

SAME PAPA WITH DIFFERENT MAMA....



WITH REGARDS TO SOMEBODY STATING THAT THEY ARE NO GOOD,JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE ARE SO MANY FACTORS AS TO WHY A PARTICULAR FOWL COULD NOT WIN AN ACTUAL FIGHT.....

FOR US, WE TRIED TO CROSS THEM TO OUR PROVEN LINE/S,ITS JUST A MATTER OF TIME NOW...SOON WE'LL FIND OUT AS TO WHICH PARTICULAR LINE/S DO THEY ACTUALLY BLENDS WELL....

guardia civil
April 6th, 2010, 02:45 AM
Now vacationing in Venezuela....



http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/2/photos/5/400x400/13/IMG00014.JPG?et=6G8BDP%2CvK5LQ9ooNSL0NUA&nmid=313503600

3rdGen
April 6th, 2010, 05:10 AM
Asil bred and selected for steel - speed, agility and accuracy. Cut to the body. Gameness out of the question.

http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/Asil/DSC_2992.jpg

This wasn't made overnight lol.

Mike Everett
April 6th, 2010, 05:22 AM
Asil bred and selected for steel - speed, agility and accuracy. Cut to the body. Gameness out of the question.

http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/Asil/DSC_2992.jpg

This wasn't made overnight lol.
These are spitting image of the Doug H. Asils I have............

aemartinez
April 6th, 2010, 09:44 AM
VERY NICE JAPS SIR!.....

DOUG HUGHES ASIL BLEND....ALREADY A 1 TIME WINNER IN LK...

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/100_6477.jpg
thanks sir.you to have very nice asils and japs.

aemartinez
April 6th, 2010, 09:55 AM
Asil bred and selected for steel - speed, agility and accuracy. Cut to the body. Gameness out of the question.

http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/Asil/DSC_2992.jpg

This wasn't made overnight lol.
nice

3rdGen
April 6th, 2010, 11:01 AM
nice

Thanks aemartinez you got nice asils too best of luck to your breeding program.

aemartinez
April 6th, 2010, 11:20 AM
shamo x cuban http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/mesquite009.jpg

PIRSO PATRICIO
April 6th, 2010, 01:18 PM
just a thought guys… I have also bred Asils for a time… why do we need to grade Asils (1/2 to 1/8) if they are already good enough for the LK… why not breed them Asil to Asil and produce good LK birds for the pits… I think this is the way that Bobby Boles did and was successful in his time…

we all know what Asils are… they are big boned chickens, a little bit slow, single punchers, neck and body punchers, etc…

question now is… why not look for an Asil line that can be bred to another Asil line and show them in the pits using LK… just like our own Monching Mitra did… took him a long time but also faired on it… I think Tiny is as well doing this up to now on his Aswang lines…

with this in mind… we can be successful and have our own signature line…

just a thought guys…

colt39
April 6th, 2010, 01:24 PM
1/2 Asil grade.

http://colt39.multiply.com/photos/album/15/12_boles_grades#photo=1

Paz Brey
April 6th, 2010, 01:31 PM
bro fielding an asil a litle bit slow as you said against a sweater that shuffles in every move he makes would always end in losing a game!thats one reason for me to mix a speed hen to them!the sweaters are still there to dominate for quite a while,so its up to us to breed a graded(asil) one that can compete with them!:Dthis is just my own opinion though!some people just dont like asils!:eek:

PIRSO PATRICIO
April 6th, 2010, 01:42 PM
you are correct bro... but as you see Monching Mitra also used a local breed from Bicol to make his own and was at par with the rest who is using western fowls...

anyway we always go back to the drawing boards in case we see our fowls lack something... Good Luck to all of you guys... just to share Asil BC x Dink $5K BH line was a good cross we made... ;)


bro fielding an asil a litle bit slow as you said against a sweater that shuffles in every move he makes would always end in losing a game!thats one reason for me to mix a speed hen to them!the sweaters are still there to dominate for quite a while,so its up to us to breed a graded(asil) one that can compete with them!:Dthis is just my own opinion though!some people just dont like asils!:eek:

aurora gold
April 6th, 2010, 01:46 PM
you are correct bro... but as you see Monching Mitra also used a local breed from Bicol to make his own and was at par with the rest who is using western fowls...

anyway we always go back to the drawing boards in case we see our fowls lack something... Good Luck to all of you guys... just to share Asil BC x Dink $5K BH line was a good cross we made... ;)

yes they are bro;) :)

tonio
April 6th, 2010, 01:48 PM
Asil bred and selected for steel - speed, agility and accuracy. Cut to the body. Gameness out of the question.

http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/Asil/DSC_2992.jpg

This wasn't made overnight lol.

Very nice stands proud. What kind of asil blood is in him?

tonio
April 6th, 2010, 02:00 PM
2x winner Blue-Lacy X Rampuri
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/sabong_tonio/DSC_2148.jpg

cnucum
April 6th, 2010, 02:04 PM
2x winner Blue-Lacy X Rampuri
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/sabong_tonio/DSC_2148.jpg

sir tonio, this one looks more athletic than the others... plus he's got a superb station...

did you get some out from the asil/japs from Jim?

kingdotix
April 6th, 2010, 02:07 PM
this is a very nice thread to get some valuable insights in asil grade breeding. thanks to all those guys who have been unselfishly sharing their knowledge. hope the sharing continues.

we have been breeding asil grades from a 1/2 asil grade hen i acquired from a local auction site. we crossed the graded hen to our sweater bc and produced the following:
1/4 grade - fought as a stag and won clean in CVBA 7 stag derby. he is now our main BC for asil grading
1/4 grade - we aged him and fought him in a hackfight. he won but is now a blinker. he is now a BC
1/8 grade - won clean in bakbakan stag derby against wilson ong's entry.
1/8 grade - fought as a 2 yr old at the last CF derby (where AG and 3rd gen's fowls were supposed to fight):D and won but broke his right wing.

so far we are 4 wins and no loss with our asil grades. if not because of incubator problems in the past 2 breeding seasons we probably would have more than a hundred grades on cords now.:(

this time we are experimenting on Jim Clem's black Jap hen i got from a friend who bought fowls from Jim and a thai asil cock i bought from this site. hoping they'll do well too.:)

mckurt
April 6th, 2010, 02:48 PM
this is a very nice thread to get some valuable insights in asil grade breeding. thanks to all those guys who have been unselfishly sharing their knowledge. hope the sharing continues.

we have been breeding asil grades from a 1/2 asil grade hen i acquired from a local auction site. we crossed the graded hen to our sweater bc and produced the following:
1/4 grade - fought as a stag and won clean in CVBA 7 stag derby. he is now our main BC for asil grading
1/4 grade - we aged him and fought him in a hackfight. he won but is now a blinker. he is now a BC
1/8 grade - won clean in bakbakan stag derby against wilson ong's entry.
1/8 grade - fought as a 2 yr old at the last CF derby (where AG and 3rd gen's fowls were supposed to fight):D and won but broke his right wing.

so far we are 4 wins and no loss with our asil grades. if not because of incubator problems in the past 2 breeding seasons we probably would have more than a hundred grades on cords now.:(

this time we are experimenting on Jim Clem's black Jap hen i got from a friend who bought fowls from Jim and a thai asil cock i bought from this site. hoping they'll do well too.:)

wow nice record for you! hope your winning ways continue with your grades , hoping that people who claimed and showed their superior grades in this thread will update us with fight result instead of posting book informations, endless discussion about main and branded lineage they used with their breeding which is not proven by them until now...much more interesting to see fight result win or loss.

3rdGen
April 6th, 2010, 03:03 PM
Very nice stands proud. What kind of asil blood is in him?

Thanks a lot tonio. I sent you pm for the blood.

kingdotix
April 6th, 2010, 03:28 PM
wow nice record for you! hope your winning ways continue with your grades , hoping that people who claimed and showed their superior grades in this thread will update us with fight result instead of posting book informations, endless discussion about main and branded lineage they used with their breeding which is not proven by them until now...much more interesting to see fight result win or loss.

thanks mckurt. here are the videos of our asil grade fights:
1/4 grade - CVBA 7 stag derby - a 3-2 underdog
http://kingdotix.multiply.com/video/item/17/14_ASIL_GRADE_-_UNSCATHED

1/4 grade - hackfight, a 10-7 underdog
http://kingdotix.multiply.com/video/item/25/14_ASIL_GRADED_SWEATER

1/8 grade - bakbakan 10 stag derby - a 3-2 underdog
http://kingdotix.multiply.com/video/item/18/18_ASIL_GRADE_-_BAKBAKAN

1/8 grade - CF 4 Cock derby - a 10-6 underdog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6jYdXTcS58&feature=related

Rolei
April 6th, 2010, 04:23 PM
breeding asil is a big challenge; how much more if your are into asil to asil for LK, success is too remote. Dont expect a slow + slow = fast.

for me, asil grade at 1/2, 1/4 & 3/8 are at its best.



just a thought guys… I have also bred Asils for a time… why do we need to grade Asils (1/2 to 1/8) if they are already good enough for the LK… why not breed them Asil to Asil and produce good LK birds for the pits… I think this is the way that Bobby Boles did and was successful in his time…

we all know what Asils are… they are big boned chickens, a little bit slow, single punchers, neck and body punchers, etc…

question now is… why not look for an Asil line that can be bred to another Asil line and show them in the pits using LK… just like our own Monching Mitra did… took him a long time but also faired on it… I think Tiny is as well doing this up to now on his Aswang lines…

with this in mind… we can be successful and have our own signature line…

just a thought guys…

hencura
April 6th, 2010, 04:46 PM
While you guys talked your main, I would like to share my 50% graded Hamlin Black Asil fought by lmbhispeed. :D

AhbK WB#458 1st win unscratched, a 6 secs kill.
[/URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpHiVRXhW0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpHiVRXhW0)

AhbK WB#458 2nd win unscratched
http://hencura.multiply.com/video/item/1738/YouTube-_pol_derby_8 (http://hencura.multiply.com/video/item/1738/YouTube-_pol_derby_8)

Here they are,
[URL]http://www.bilihan.com.ph/forum/index.php?topic=78.0

mckurt
April 6th, 2010, 05:04 PM
thanks mckurt. here are the videos of our asil grade fights:
1/4 grade - CVBA 7 stag derby - a 3-2 underdog
http://kingdotix.multiply.com/video/item/17/14_ASIL_GRADE_-_UNSCATHED

1/4 grade - hackfight, a 10-7 underdog
http://kingdotix.multiply.com/video/item/25/14_ASIL_GRADED_SWEATER

1/8 grade - bakbakan 10 stag derby - a 3-2 underdog
http://kingdotix.multiply.com/video/item/18/18_ASIL_GRADE_-_BAKBAKAN

1/8 grade - CF 4 Cock derby - a 10-6 underdog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6jYdXTcS58&feature=related

i love watching it bro, always underdog, crowd always surprised hehe! your grades are very deliberate and punish their opponents very hard.

Ari Ben Tan
April 6th, 2010, 05:25 PM
Now to share my experience about asil breeding; it all started way back 2004.

1st Asil Strain

(Hen - believed to have Boles asil blood; propagated by a local Migba breeder / vet fromdavao)

Crossed to an inbred Sweater Dink - Democrat Hatch cock

produced: (2 Males only)

Auctioned one (1) stag (1/4 SW dink 1/4 Democrat - 1/2 Asil) in the old auction site - sabong-auction and had no other knowledge as to its result; and the other stag had bred it
to a democrat hatch hen making it (1/8 SW - 5/8 democrat - 1/4 asil). produced only 3males and i pullet. sold a pair of this produce to a fellow member on this site and based on his feedback they have been getting good result/s shown in the pit. (no other proof to support this claim:D)

total record of this supposed boles strain was (4W - 2 lost) and had only shown them in hacks.

(part 1)

Ari Ben Tan
April 6th, 2010, 05:31 PM
(part 2)


2005

my real appreciation about asils came, when i joined the last clean up 5stag derby of migba. it was my 3rd fight, and to my own anticipation, coming from a win and a draw, my expectations was really very high since among all my candidates, the 3rd stag was my ultimate bet, or so i assumed:D . i was pitted against a hatch looking stag of Mr. Edwin Deles (Candelaria Champ); to cut the story short, i was sort of expecting a
whip wack showdown, but my stag never had the chance to show its stuff because it never got off the ground. after a week, i was able to meet that stag and later learned that it was a Boles asil graded stag. (strain was secured by mr. deles from Mr. Capistrano and believed to be the F1 offsprings of the personal gift by boles himself to the late Mitra).

there my fascination grew..

2006

did alot of research and
with the use of the net and some magazines, decided to secure
one of the best reza asil strain here in the philippines (rampuri) from Sir Tonio.

was able to acquire a (50 rampuri - 50 leiper hatch cock aka Suave).

bred it to a dan gray rhd (phoenix firebird hen) and was able to produce 5males (1/4 asil - 1/4 hatch - 1/2 rhd)

4males won and the other one was given to as a gift who in turn bred it to a
radio and had shown the produce in stag derbies with very good results. (believe not have incurred any lost as to date);)


also in that year, was able
to borrow a hamlin bc and 50 hamlin - 50 rhd hen, and produced some 3/4 hamlins (which i know call Surgical Asils).

Ari Ben Tan
April 6th, 2010, 05:37 PM
2007

due to unforseen events, had decided to stop temporarily due to work relocation and sold suave to a fellow breeder / sabong net member, and bred it to JJ kelso's, was also showing good results.

2008 - 2010

secured another strain of the reza asils from S' Tonio, and had bred it to the surgical asil and now we were able to produce a hyrbid of this reza fowls.

last March 27, we fought at Pasay Cockpit, a surgical asil cross stag (at 8 months), against a seasoned cock, and we lost. hehe

the stag only suffered one shot, straight to its heart via the thighs, and it was only able to hit the opponent twice. however, upon further examination with the opponent, i saw it had three major lacerations and one had to be covered by the chicken surgeon since it was taking in lots of outside air.. i don't knw if it will survive.

the stag fought was very slow and currently we are still left with its brother who we are grading to other western hens.. hope this would work..

Cheers!

Ari Ben Tan aka Pamato

aurora gold
April 6th, 2010, 06:19 PM
thanks for your time writing and sharing to us
your experience in breeding and grading oriental gamefowl:)

dotman
April 6th, 2010, 06:41 PM
While you guys talked your main, I would like to share my 50% graded Hamlin Black Asil fought by lmbhispeed. :D

AhbK WB#458 1st win unscratched, a 6 secs kill.
[/URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpHiVRXhW0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpHiVRXhW0)

AhbK WB#458 2nd win unscratched
http://hencura.multiply.com/video/item/1738/YouTube-_pol_derby_8 (http://hencura.multiply.com/video/item/1738/YouTube-_pol_derby_8)

Here they are,
[URL]http://www.bilihan.com.ph/forum/index.php?topic=78.0

bro. henry,

just came back from a very quick vacation and i took the chance to check the indian asil/hatch (my avatar - last year pic) that i bought from you last year(?). i got 4 asil crosses from you if you could recall...

whoa! it is the most beautiful thing i have ever seen. the body is very well built! nice proportions too!!! i had it sparred and it really showed potential. i unfortunately did not get the chance to pit fight it due to lack of time. i will have it fought perhaps next month and i will keep you posted.

i took some pics but not too clear though.

meantime, keep up the good work in breeding those grades!!!

btw, how are the blue/hamlin crosses doing? i am really interested in them...

kingdotix
April 6th, 2010, 08:23 PM
here is our other asil grading experiment. he is a product of Rolei's signature asil graded hen mated to our Jacobs Albany BC. another heavy underdog.:)
http://kingdotix.multiply.com/video/item/28

tonio
April 7th, 2010, 02:42 AM
sparring video

Rampuri X Oregon asils.

video taken 5mins into fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmyiRgU9MM4

colt39
April 7th, 2010, 03:05 AM
sparring video

Rampuri X Oregon asils.

video taken 5mins into fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmyiRgU9MM4

Very nice! Is that the Atkinson that came from Brad?

hotspur
April 7th, 2010, 05:26 AM
here is our other asil grading experiment. he is a product of Rolei's signature asil graded hen mated to our Jacobs Albany BC. another heavy underdog.:)
http://kingdotix.multiply.com/video/item/28
awesome asil grade,.one of the best fights i've seen an asil trade mark just go in and do the job.

hencura
April 7th, 2010, 09:15 AM
bro. henry,

just came back from a very quick vacation and i took the chance to check the indian asil/hatch (my avatar - last year pic) that i bought from you last year(?). i got 4 asil crosses from you if you could recall...

whoa! it is the most beautiful thing i have ever seen. the body is very well built! nice proportions too!!! i had it sparred and it really showed potential. i unfortunately did not get the chance to pit fight it due to lack of time. i will have it fought perhaps next month and i will keep you posted.

i took some pics but not too clear though.

meantime, keep up the good work in breeding those grades!!!

btw, how are the blue/hamlin crosses doing? i am really interested in them...

Brod dotman, my memory is not so good, a lot of the dirty greys were taken. Nice to hear they are doing good, let me know the result of their fight. Video them if possible.
http://www.bilihan.com.ph/forum/index.php?topic=152.0

The Blue Miner x Hamlins are good too, very strong, good cutters but I think not fast enough to do a decisive kill. 1 customer (densyo) bought 1 6 months old, got lose & killed his 3 yrs old broodcock.

I did tried my Bruce Barnett with the Hamlin Blacks Asil & like them better,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o40tyWITnaU

I have my Red Hamlin Boles Asil crossed with Phil Marsh Butcher & they are very promising.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpKmm7keAw

I'll be breeding Jim Clem's Jap Asils hopefully beginning this month.
http://www.bilihan.com.ph/auction_details.php?name=TAG-BF-Jim-Clem-Jr-Jap-Asil-Broodstag-Direct-Import&auction_id=100619

YM me if you are free. Thanks.

tonio
April 7th, 2010, 12:43 PM
Very nice! Is that the Atkinson that came from Brad?

Yes, I call them Oregon because some people told me they were Boles and others say they are Atkinson.

Got some chicks out of the Japsil. Cute little blacks the sizeof golf balls hopefully a good couple of stags come out of the clutch. Will keep you posted as they grow.

nonny
April 7th, 2010, 01:10 PM
[QUOTE=tonio]Yes, I call them Oregon because some people told me they were Boles and others say they are Atkinson.


G'day Tonio , Les will be coming down in July with Brad to go on a Samba hunt , I'll double check with him while he is here , but am pretty confident that what we sent up to Mauro was what Les called his Boles, he has offered Brad the Atkinson's along with the blacks , but you can only keep so many families and do them justice and as a result to date has not accepted the offer .

colt39
April 7th, 2010, 01:24 PM
Yes, I call them Oregon because some people told me they were Boles and others say they are Atkinson.

Got some chicks out of the Japsil. Cute little blacks the sizeof golf balls hopefully a good couple of stags come out of the clutch. Will keep you posted as they grow.

If I had to guess by his looks, he may be Atkinson or the Boles/Atkinson blend. Looks like the blend but who knows. Hard to tell from the video but I will ask Brad. Either way, they came from Les. Oregon is a good name.

Yep, hope you get a few stags to try out of that Japsil.

This is a brother to yours that I am sending hencura to try out. He bulked a bit more towards the Asil side & got more black like the Jap side. Yours & this one will be the only ones I will ship. I am very happy with their style. Just hope they will produce & I am sure they will. We will see!


http://colt39.multiply.com/photos/album/61/Japsil#photo=1

colt39
April 7th, 2010, 01:31 PM
[QUOTE=tonio]Yes, I call them Oregon because some people told me they were Boles and others say they are Atkinson.


G'day Tonio , Les will be coming down in July with Brad to go on a Samba hunt , I'll double check with him while he is here , but am pretty confident that what we sent up to Mauro was what Les called his Boles, he has offered Brad the Atkinson's along with the blacks , but you can only keep so many families and do them justice and as a result to date has not accepted the offer .

What is a Samba or a Samba hunt if you don't mind me asking?

After looking at the video again, he very well could be the Boles. I heard he was an Atkinson but he does not look like an Atkinson. He looks like the Blend or a Boles to me.

nonny
April 7th, 2010, 01:37 PM
Samba are a deer species , I think native to India .

colt39
April 7th, 2010, 01:42 PM
Samba are a deer species , I think native to India .

Oh, ok. I heard of them but was not sure. Les does like to hunt. I really enjoy it as well. I have only hunted Mule deer, Blacktail deer & Elk.

nonny
April 7th, 2010, 02:07 PM
I think Brad said that Les is going to stay a month as he has old friends to catch up with here etc . Brad and Dick Z will be here for 2 weeks and we'll see if they cant get a few trophy heads to take home . We'll do a few stalks , and some with hounds for Les as he wouldnt be able to get about the rough country . If time permits we may try for some reds as well....

dotman
April 7th, 2010, 02:59 PM
I did tried my Bruce Barnett with the Hamlin Blacks Asil & like them better,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o40tyWITnaU

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Nice!!! 50-50? Keep up the good work...

colt39
April 7th, 2010, 11:43 PM
I think Brad said that Les is going to stay a month as he has old friends to catch up with here etc . Brad and Dick Z will be here for 2 weeks and we'll see if they cant get a few trophy heads to take home . We'll do a few stalks , and some with hounds for Les as he wouldnt be able to get about the rough country . If time permits we may try for some reds as well....

Sounds fun. Where are you located at to hunt these type of deer?

guardia civil
April 8th, 2010, 02:26 AM
Let's continue with the fun.....

http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/2/photos/7/400x400/10/P4071092.JPG?et=iT5fqaYXtRoFZ7WMr0STYA&nmid=316787680

http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/2/photos/7/400x400/11/P4071093.JPG?et=adTLtF9TcthO375MgoD2Yw&nmid=316787680

brownred30
April 8th, 2010, 04:03 AM
sparring video

Rampuri X Oregon asils.

video taken 5mins into fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmyiRgU9MM4

I like the ducking and running in circles! LOL
The do pack a punch though.

guardia civil
April 8th, 2010, 04:58 AM
Stag going to Nicaragua.....



http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/2/photos/7/400x400/14/P4071096.JPG?et=7hUcjxtZmWu0Dii%2C6rcGww&nmid=316787680

abai
April 8th, 2010, 05:42 AM
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/abai_2006/DSCN0546.jpg

Anybody can identify this type of asil?

Engkanto
April 8th, 2010, 08:55 AM
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/abai_2006/DSCN0546.jpg

Anybody can identify this type of asil?

Nice looking Asil. He looks like a Cobra Asil to me.

cnucum
April 8th, 2010, 11:05 AM
Sorry for all the followers of this thread and I appologize for putting fuel on the fire, but I have cleaned the thread and will make sure these "gentlemen" will not bother any other threads... That's all there is about to that...

Anyway back to the oriental grading discussion... :)

These are the Melville Asil / Sweater grades I have bred last year, they will be 2 years next year and will hopefully be ready for battle... ;)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009318.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009311.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009312.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0058.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0062.jpg

Regards to all...

PIRSO PATRICIO
April 8th, 2010, 11:17 AM
cnucum the last one is well balanced... nice candidate a BC for another downgrading... try to add in some hatch blood and they would try to turn on the fan...

just my 2 cents bro...

guardia civil
April 8th, 2010, 11:24 AM
Cuban/Atkinson Hens...


http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/3/photos/9/400x400/14/P4071109.JPG?et=rVdbJTQcV4M%2BMtO2lbkJRw&nmid=318282966

cnucum
April 8th, 2010, 11:25 AM
cnucum the last one is well balanced... nice candidate a BC for another downgrading... try to add in some hatch blood and they would try to turn on the fan...

just my 2 cents bro...

Thanks, actually they all have good balanced body (not very good photos) and they are not that bulky like my Rampuri grades... Actually the first photo is an asil/hatch, made a mistake in including him in the lot (damn photobucket code)... :D

I bred his sisters (asil/hatch) to a black mcrae cock and looks good on paper... If they survive, I will have some for this seasons stag derbies... :)

PIRSO PATRICIO
April 8th, 2010, 11:31 AM
my former partner did as well before the Asil/Hatch x Mcrae... lots of power and gives a lot of feet (frontal)... tested on hackfight and killed the opponent within 9 seconds... didnt give a chance to counter...

good luck on those produce coz they will give a hard time to other cockers...


Thanks, actually they all have good balanced body (not very good photos) and they are not that bulky like my Rampuri grades... Actually the first photo is an asil/hatch, made a mistake in including him in the lot (damn photobucket code)... :D

I bred his sisters (asil/hatch) to a black mcrae cock and looks good on paper... If they survive, I will have some for this seasons stag derbies... :)

tonio
April 8th, 2010, 12:07 PM
http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/2/photos/7/400x400/10/P4071092.JPG?et=iT5fqaYXtRoFZ7WMr0STYA&nmid=316787680

[/SIZE]


What is this? Super looking bird

Ari Ben Tan
April 8th, 2010, 12:35 PM
S' Chris,

They sure look very deadly even while still on cord;) ..

Are all those candidates of the same weight and height??

Cheers..

Ari Ben Tan aka Pamato

cnucum
April 8th, 2010, 01:06 PM
my former partner did as well before the Asil/Hatch x Mcrae... lots of power and gives a lot of feet (frontal)... tested on hackfight and killed the opponent within 9 seconds... didnt give a chance to counter...

good luck on those produce coz they will give a hard time to other cockers...

Thanks, I hope I do well with them also... I made sure to get good quality mcrae blood from a friend here, only for that reason to grade them with my asils and soon with my japs... :)

cnucum
April 8th, 2010, 01:09 PM
S' Chris,

They sure look very deadly even while still on cord;) ..

Are all those candidates of the same weight and height??

Cheers..

Ari Ben Tan aka Pamato

Sir Ben

Thanks, I hope they perform better than they look... :D My cousins who sparred them last week said they are very good, we'll have to wait to see them in the "real action"...

Most of them are from 1.9 to 2.2 kg, although the 2nd photo is a "shake" 2.65 kg when he was 10 months old... :eek: All of them have good station...

Regards...

PIRSO PATRICIO
April 8th, 2010, 01:10 PM
your on the right track my friend...

good luck....


Thanks, I hope I do well with them also... I made sure to get good quality mcrae blood from a friend here, only for that reason to grade them with my asils and soon with my japs... :)

colt39
April 8th, 2010, 02:03 PM
Sorry for all the followers of this thread and I appologize for putting fuel on the fire, but I have cleaned the thread and will make sure these "gentlemen" will not bother any other threads... That's all there is about to that...

Anyway back to the oriental grading discussion... :)

These are the Melville Asil / Sweater grades I have bred last year, they will be 2 years next year and will hopefully be ready for battle... ;)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009318.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009311.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009312.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0058.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0062.jpg

Regards to all...

I am sorry as well. Should have just ignored everything.

Boles 1/2 grade young stag.

http://colt39.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/63/1?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcolt39.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2 Falbum%2F63%2F12_Asil_grade%23photo%3D1

Rolei
April 8th, 2010, 04:28 PM
hello chris,
ito ang ganda ng proportion,
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...0102009312.jpg (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009312.jpg)




Sorry for all the followers of this thread and I appologize for putting fuel on the fire, but I have cleaned the thread and will make sure these "gentlemen" will not bother any other threads... That's all there is about to that...

Anyway back to the oriental grading discussion... :)

These are the Melville Asil / Sweater grades I have bred last year, they will be 2 years next year and will hopefully be ready for battle... ;)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009318.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009311.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009312.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0058.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0062.jpg

Regards to all...

k meleon
April 8th, 2010, 06:02 PM
Yes, I call them Oregon because some people told me they were Boles and others say they are Atkinson.

Got some chicks out of the Japsil. Cute little blacks the sizeof golf balls hopefully a good couple of stags come out of the clutch. Will keep you posted as they grow.


could be atkinsn, they peck alot :mad:

guardia civil
April 8th, 2010, 06:04 PM
What is this? Super looking bird

That's a pure Atkinson.I wish i can still post some boxing exercises of these orientals but we got some snitchin' on these site.
Colt,Cnucum,Engkanto,Pamato,Tonio...you guys have beautiful and solid oriental lines.Let me say this "keep the dream alive":cool:

competitor
April 8th, 2010, 06:19 PM
Sorry for all the followers of this thread and I appologize for putting fuel on the fire, but I have cleaned the thread and will make sure these "gentlemen" will not bother any other threads... That's all there is about to that...

Anyway back to the oriental grading discussion... :)

These are the Melville Asil / Sweater grades I have bred last year, they will be 2 years next year and will hopefully be ready for battle... ;)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009318.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009311.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009312.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0058.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0062.jpg

Regards to all...



looking very good pareng chris.....


HERE'S MINE....


THE PAPA....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/100_6477.jpg


THE SONS....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture155.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture183.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture186.jpg


SAME PAPA,DIFFERENT MAMA....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture196.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture164.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture178.jpg

guardia civil
April 8th, 2010, 06:30 PM
Sorry i missed to mention lakay Hencura and apo Competitor.... you havethe best looking grades i've seen.



http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/2/photos/7/400x400/18/P4071105.JPG?et=kuLGlcyQZgr6UswZjnoWew&nmid=316787680

competitor
April 8th, 2010, 06:40 PM
Sorry i missed to mention lakay Hencura and apo Competitor.... you havethe best looking grades i've seen.



http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/2/photos/7/400x400/18/P4071105.JPG?et=kuLGlcyQZgr6UswZjnoWew&nmid=316787680




YOU'VE GOT SOME PROMISING ASIL'S AS WELL APO GC....GOODLUCK TO YOUR BREEDING WITH THEM....;)

guardia civil
April 8th, 2010, 07:17 PM
Yes, I call them Oregon because some people told me they were Boles and others say they are Atkinson.

Got some chicks out of the Japsil. Cute little blacks the sizeof golf balls hopefully a good couple of stags come out of the clutch. Will keep you posted as they grow.


Feed them grains early.Use bird seeds + cat food or dog food given 2-3 times a day for those day old chicks.Regular concentrate to those 1 month and up.That's the practice they do locally to have oriental crosses a little more than 4 lbs.

http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/2/photos/7/400x400/17/P4071102.JPG?et=58Y6CDiu7ayr2kpj0i2LLw&nmid=316787680

hencura
April 8th, 2010, 10:52 PM
Nice!!! 50-50? Keep up the good work...

One of the best 50% graded I bred of the Asils, a Butcher x Hamlin Boles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpKmm7keAw

Indian Asil x Mclean
[/URL]http://hencura.multiply.com/video/item/1055/KcAkHm4117vsAkHm4154_7-5-2009.MPG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stpKmm7keAw)

& the 7/8 mclean (back breed)), 1/8 Indian Asil, inbred. Testing fight for breeding.
[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTD5MuG5A2A

And I'll be breeding soon the Japsils of Jim Clem. Hope them to perform well too.

guardia civil
April 9th, 2010, 06:05 AM
The man who popularized the oriental breed in the Philippines.He used to pit "mestizo" looking fowls.Single stroking fowls and would fight scared,they seldom clinched.The king of the underdogs.

cnucum
April 9th, 2010, 04:36 PM
your on the right track my friend...

good luck....

Thanks I hope I am... :D Good luck to you also... :)

cnucum
April 9th, 2010, 04:39 PM
hello chris,
ito ang ganda ng proportion,
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...0102009312.jpg (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/30102009312.jpg)

Rolei,

Nice to here from you again, hope your grades did well on that last derby you told me about... :)

Honestly, he is the less bulky of the lot that's why he looks to be in good proportion... Let's say he was still "slim" when I took that photo... :D

cnucum
April 9th, 2010, 04:40 PM
I am sorry as well. Should have just ignored everything.

Boles 1/2 grade young stag.

http://colt39.multiply.com/photos/hi-res/63/1?xurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcolt39.multiply.com%2Fphotos%2 Falbum%2F63%2F12_Asil_grade%23photo%3D1

Don't worry about it sir Jim... I not going too... ;)

That's one mean looking SOB (Son Of a Boles)... :D

Replied to you PM... ;)

cnucum
April 9th, 2010, 04:42 PM
Pareng Rodel, looks like we got ourselves some bunches of grades to play with next season... Looking forward for it... ;)

regards...


looking very good pareng chris.....

HERE'S MINE....

THE PAPA....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/100_6477.jpg


THE SONS....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture155.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture183.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture186.jpg


SAME PAPA,DIFFERENT MAMA....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture196.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture164.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture178.jpg

competitor
April 9th, 2010, 05:03 PM
Pareng Rodel, looks like we got ourselves some bunches of grades to play with next season... Looking forward for it... ;)

regards...


THEY ARE STILL HALVES PARENG CHRIS,...BUT YES,WE WILL TEST THEM AT HALVES....AMONG THE YOUNG BUNCH ARE THE QUARTERS.....FINGERS CROSSED....THEY'LL LIVE TO OUR EXPECTATIONS....;)

Engkanto
April 9th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Feed them grains early.Use bird seeds + cat food or dog food given 2-3 times a day for those day old chicks.Regular concentrate to those 1 month and up.That's the practice they do locally to have oriental crosses a little more than 4 lbs.

http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/2/photos/7/400x400/17/P4071102.JPG?et=58Y6CDiu7ayr2kpj0i2LLw&nmid=316787680



Good tips Sir. I also give grains as early as possible (I don't give dog/cat food at this early stage though, just crumbles). They have to get their gizzard muscles start exercising as early as possible. I would also place some pigeon grits with crushed oyster shells inside their brooding pens to prepare their guts with whatever the ranging area would offer them. I usually start ranging my chicks after two weeks and, except for weekends when I also feed them crushed calf manna, they eat the same yard feeds I give to young stags/pullets and those on tie cords ((which is mostly grain mix). I would just let them hunt for the other proteins they need - there are plenty on the range, both from animal and plant sources.

Thanks,
Edwin

Engkanto
April 9th, 2010, 09:51 PM
That's a pure Atkinson.I wish i can still post some boxing exercises of these orientals but we got some snitchin' on these site.
Colt,Cnucum,Engkanto,Pamato,Tonio...you guys have beautiful and solid oriental lines.Let me say this "keep the dream alive":cool:


Thank you Sir. You too have very good Atkinson Asils. Your Cuban/Atkinson hens are also excellent, very good station. Yes I agree, we should keep the dream alive. I was introduced to Asils back in 1993 and since then, I always have some in my yard. There seems to be something in these birds that is unique to their breed and the longer I have them, the more I appreciate the real beauty behind their 'not so good looking' features.

I just acquired an Atkinson Sonatol hen from Daniel (Hatchkillmore). Some people swear that these Sonatols from Daniel are really fast for Asils (thanks to Joseph for the lead). I will be breeding her to my main Cobra broodcock this year. Now, I'm really excited about this mating - always hoping for the best.

Thanks,
Edwin

Grim_Reapin
April 10th, 2010, 11:36 AM
Thank you Sir. You too have very good Atkinson Asils. Your Cuban/Atkinson hens are also excellent, very good station. Yes I agree, we should keep the dream alive. I was introduced to Asils back in 1993 and since then, I always have some in my yard. There seems to be something in these birds that is unique to their breed and the longer I have them, the more I appreciate the real beauty behind their 'not so good looking' features.

I just acquired an Atkinson Sonatol hen from Daniel (Hatchkillmore). Some people swear that these Sonatols from Daniel are really fast for Asils (thanks to Joseph for the lead). I will be breeding her to my main Cobra broodcock this year. Now, I'm really excited about this mating - always hoping for the best.

Thanks,
Edwin Hi Enganto, can you post a pic of her? Thanks

WT AVALON
April 10th, 2010, 02:59 PM
http://s295.photobucket.com/albums/mm156/wt_avalon/?action=view&current=Whitehackle-Asil.jpg

GRADED ASIL/WHITEHACKLE

http://s295.photobucket.com/albums/mm156/wt_avalon/?action=view&current=JJSweater-BBolesAsil.jpg

GRADED BOBBY BOLES/JJ SWEATER

aemartinez
April 10th, 2010, 06:47 PM
asil/ylh http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/mesquite012.jpg

Engkanto
April 10th, 2010, 09:00 PM
Hi Enganto, can you post a pic of her? Thanks

I'll try to take some pictures this weekend. She looks like one of the hens you posted on this thread. You have good looking Atkinsons also. Are they from Dan or Juan?

mckurt
April 10th, 2010, 09:16 PM
grades
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/pitshock/asil1-1-1.jpg
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h14/pitshock/asil22withtxt-1.jpg

competitor
April 11th, 2010, 12:17 AM
asil/ylh http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/mesquite012.jpg


nice!...here's mine...same combo...;)


http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20produce/nestorspicture149.jpg

aemartinez
April 11th, 2010, 04:21 AM
nice!...here's mine...same combo...;)


http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20produce/nestorspicture149.jpg you have
nice one too... tall .good luck..

masao
April 11th, 2010, 05:39 AM
1/2 JapaneseBlack x 1/4YLHx1/4Sweater

aemartinez
April 11th, 2010, 08:04 AM
cuban red jap leiper http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG-c-rwrXNo

Grim_Reapin
April 11th, 2010, 11:08 AM
I'll try to take some pictures this weekend. She looks like one of the hens you posted on this thread. You have good looking Atkinsons also. Are they from Dan or Juan? Thanks Engkanto! I only ask because to see how she come out partrigde or wheaton. Dan did hatch out this one pullet that i loved but Dan loved her more than i did :D she was more of a golden color. I got all of my asil blood from Dan. I talked to Juan not to long ago and he asked me if i wanted a stag that is half Dan / half Hamlin blood. I told him HELL YEAh:D

killerInstinct
April 11th, 2010, 05:14 PM
asil/ylh http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/mesquite012.jpg


Niiiicceee!! YFIS

aemartinez
April 12th, 2010, 04:11 AM
black jap stag http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/blackjap007.jpg

aemartinez
April 12th, 2010, 04:22 AM
black jap stag http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/blackjap001.jpg

aemartinez
April 12th, 2010, 04:59 AM
shamo x cuban http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/blackjap008.jpg

guardia civil
April 12th, 2010, 07:23 PM
Thank you Sir. You too have very good Atkinson Asils. Your Cuban/Atkinson hens are also excellent, very good station. Yes I agree, we should keep the dream alive. I was introduced to Asils back in 1993 and since then, I always have some in my yard. There seems to be something in these birds that is unique to their breed and the longer I have them, the more I appreciate the real beauty behind their 'not so good looking' features.

I just acquired an Atkinson Sonatol hen from Daniel (Hatchkillmore). Some people swear that these Sonatols from Daniel are really fast for Asils (thanks to Joseph for the lead). I will be breeding her to my main Cobra broodcock this year. Now, I'm really excited about this mating - always hoping for the best.

Thanks,
Edwin

Edwin,
Hope you will have a good production with your Atkinson x Cobra mating.I think we will see more orientals in the pit this coming years.
Just wondering, did your yellow legged Mclean came from Gene W. of Concord?


http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/3/photos/7/400x400/15/P4071098.JPG?et=qZ1DsGRSzlHWsZFic0FANg&nmid=316787680

Draven51501
April 12th, 2010, 07:43 PM
i have around 30 thai grades banded for the Rambulan.. hopefully, all will be healthy so that we will be able to select and field a full show of orientals..

can't wait!hehe..

nilodeleon
April 12th, 2010, 08:13 PM
i have around 30 thai grades banded for the Rambulan.. hopefully, all will be healthy so that we will have be able to select and field a full show of orientals..

can't wait!hehe.. must be really exciting to see how those orientals perform in a major show.
good luck on this coming stags season.
kid

Draven51501
April 12th, 2010, 09:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFos1yUisfA

thank you! yes, it is getting pretty exciting.. i've fought them in major derbies(Sinulog, 5-cock 8-stag) but never a full show.. it is a different feeling to hopefully be showing all orientals, the ones now are 3/8ths and 1/4ths Thais..

Engkanto
April 12th, 2010, 09:32 PM
Edwin,
Hope you will have a good production with your Atkinson x Cobra mating.I think we will see more orientals in the pit this coming years.
Just wondering, did your yellow legged Mclean came from Gene W. of Concord?


http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/3/photos/7/400x400/15/P4071098.JPG?et=qZ1DsGRSzlHWsZFic0FANg&nmid=316787680


Hi G_C,

Thanks again for the post. No, my Yellow Legged Mcleans are my own blend of YLH, they are Hoskins - Stewart blend. The Stewart side is from Jerry Dupree (wjd_vkd at gamerooster.com)) from South Georgia and the Hoskins side are from an old friend who got his YLMs from Gene Frizzell of TN. My partner and I decided to breed more on the Hoskins side though, and we're planning to acquire a few pure YLM Hoskins late this year or early next year from Gene F. We will try to keep and preserve the straightbred Hoskins family for infusion and grading.

Thanks for asking.

yfis,
Edwin

Santana
April 13th, 2010, 02:38 AM
http://s295.photobucket.com/albums/mm156/wt_avalon/?action=view&current=Whitehackle-Asil.jpg

GRADED ASIL/WHITEHACKLE




Asil X WH = Roundhead. According my knowledge, please confirm?

Saludos
IGS

Mike Everett
April 13th, 2010, 03:00 AM
Asil X WH = Roundhead. According my knowledge, please confirm?

Saludos
IGS
Sorry this is incorrect..The original Allen Roundheads, from which most Roundheads (including Lacy, Hugh Norman, Shelton, Lundy, Buckingham and Cowan), descend were from a Dr. Saunders cock and Grist-Grady hens. It's true that there is Oriental blood somewhere in the ancestry of the Saunders cock, but how far back isn't known. The Grist-Gradys where not Whitehackles.

cnucum
April 13th, 2010, 10:59 AM
Sorry this is incorrect..The original Allen Roundheads, from which most Roundheads (including Lacy, Hugh Norman, Shelton, Lundy, Buckingham and Cowan), descend were from a Dr. Saunders cock and Grist-Grady hens. It's true that there is Oriental blood somewhere in the ancestry of the Saunders cock, but how far back isn't known. The Grist-Gradys where not Whitehackles.

Mike, I might remember reading this and might be wrong, but wasn't it written that Allen had a pen of asils which he used to infuse to his Roundheads? Making them essentially asil grades...

Mike Everett
April 13th, 2010, 12:05 PM
Mike, I might remember reading this and might be wrong, but wasn't it written that Allen had a pen of asils which he used to infuse to his Roundheads? Making them essentially asil grades...
He might have, but in all the writings in his hand he said the Allens, were out of the Dr. Saunders cock and the Grist-Grady hens. He had another yard that he made out of the Saunders cock and Vine hens..the Cripple Tonys. He later got more fowl from Dr. Saunders. Like many people he might have tried orientals, but he as far as I can research he never claimed that they were in the Allens. I've read the story I think you are talking about, but I don't think he wrote it.

mckurt
April 13th, 2010, 02:32 PM
i have around 30 thai grades banded for the Rambulan.. hopefully, all will be healthy so that we will be able to select and field a full show of orientals..

can't wait!hehe..
goodluck with them sir, please update us with their fights,,,love to see them win!

Draven51501
April 13th, 2010, 08:05 PM
goodluck with them sir, please update us with their fights,,,love to see them win! thank you, sir! i will update you and post videos on the site win or lose if i can..

and good luck to all orientalist who will also be fielding orientals in the stag wars!


Murphy Whitehackle/Thai:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/draven51501/2010%20Season/murphythai.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/draven51501/spanglethai-1.jpg (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/draven51501/spanglethai-1.jpg)

Murphy/Thai/Roundhead:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/draven51501/ThaiRoundheadbroodcock.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/draven51501/ThaiRoundhead.jpg

mckurt
April 14th, 2010, 12:50 AM
thank you, sir! i will update you and post videos on the site win or lose if i can..

and good luck to all orientalist who will also be fielding orientals in the stag wars!


Murphy Whitehackle/Thai:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/draven51501/2010%20Season/murphythai.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/draven51501/spanglethai-1.jpg (http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/draven51501/spanglethai-1.jpg)

Murphy/Thai/Roundhead:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/draven51501/ThaiRoundheadbroodcock.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/draven51501/ThaiRoundhead.jpg
tnx sir, yes i am also looking forward fighting my own asil grades in the soonest time. well im happy on the way they sparr and hopefully they can show that in the pit.

regards

aemartinez
April 15th, 2010, 07:22 AM
cuban/jap http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/blackjap009-1.jpg

guardia civil
April 15th, 2010, 07:38 AM
Scarred from a pen fight a month ago,this particular stag came out blazing on his first sparring session this morning.Clipped the other stag up in the air and peppered him upon landing.... 1/2 Cuban 1/4 Atkinson 1/4 Black Rampuri.


http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/2/photos/7/400x400/11/P4071093.JPG?et=adTLtF9TcthO375MgoD2Yw&nmid=316787680

Nice Cuban/Jap you have Mr. Martinez.

aemartinez
April 15th, 2010, 08:47 AM
Scarred from a pen fight a month ago,this particular stag came out blazing on his first sparring session this morning.Clipped the other stag up in the air and peppered him upon landing.... 1/2 Cuban 1/4 Atkinson 1/4 Black Rampuri.


http://images.m38aaa.multiply.com/image/2/photos/7/400x400/11/P4071093.JPG?et=adTLtF9TcthO375MgoD2Yw&nmid=316787680

Nice Cuban/Jap you have Mr. Martinez.

thx civil.you too have very nice cubans

3rdGen
April 15th, 2010, 11:39 AM
1/2 Black 3/8 Black Jap 1/8 Asil battlecross chicks hen-hatched in Jan. You know you have something good goin on if them crosses come out uniform ;) .
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/BBB/Black%20Japs/DSC_2592.jpg

Quarantined for vaccination and markings then rejoined with their momma and hen raised in the free range. Let nature do the culling. White breasted blacks lol:
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/BBB/Black%20Japs/DSC_2728.jpg
Right out lol:
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/BBB/Black%20Japs/DSC_2731.jpg

But after 3 months ALL nine are still running around :) The cockerels started showing early and had to be penned. Whaaaaack!
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/BBB/Black%20Japs/DSC_2613.jpg
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/BBB/Black%20Japs/DSC_2930.jpg

Keep 'em healthy boys... or else we'll get whipped by the sweaters lol!

3rdGen
April 15th, 2010, 12:01 PM
Their old papa Jap lol. My 10 y.o. kid named him Samurai Jack haha after his fav cartoon character. Well it fits him as he was bred by a jack lol! He's 3/4 Black Jap 1/4 Asil and offspring of Sambo. Entrusted in my hands by a very good friend :)
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/BBB/Black%20Japs/DSC_3034.jpg

Last year's graded stag tested in the L/K:
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/BBB/Black%20Japs/DSC00024.jpg
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/BBB/Black%20Japs/DSC_2941.jpg

randybullz
April 15th, 2010, 12:03 PM
9 months old understimated line. d black and ugly one!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-yNs...60976a293d1c52

aemartinez
April 15th, 2010, 01:19 PM
Their old papa Jap lol. My 10 y.o. kid named him Samurai Jack haha after his fav cartoon character. Well it fits him as he was bred by a jack lol! He's 3/4 Black Jap 1/4 Asil and offspring of Sambo. Entrusted in my hands by a very good friend :)
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/BBB/Black%20Japs/DSC_3034.jpg

Last year's graded stag tested in the L/K:
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/BBB/Black%20Japs/DSC00024.jpg
http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/BBB/Black%20Japs/DSC_2941.jpg
nice looking brood cock jap.

guardia civil
April 15th, 2010, 08:13 PM
thx civil.you too have very nice cubans


I do not own them.They are bred by a local gentleman near my place.They are beautiful family of gamefowl, though it's a long shot but i'm hoping they will do good in PI.

5SAINTS
April 16th, 2010, 11:38 AM
What are the different types of asils ? what is their differences?

KNIFEROOSTER
April 16th, 2010, 10:31 PM
Albany/boles stag
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/pocasplumas/DSCN3297.jpg?t=1270357030

aemartinez
April 17th, 2010, 06:38 AM
Albany/boles stag
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/pocasplumas/DSCN3297.jpg?t=1270357030
very nice asil stag...

aemartinez
April 17th, 2010, 08:56 AM
red jap http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/mesquite022.jpg

tonio
April 17th, 2010, 06:27 PM
Asils are first divided into two categories, kulang and reza. The difference between the two is the size.

The kulang are the big extra large brirds. They have longer bodies and heads. These are the asils that are most common in pakistan and india and are used for naked heel fighting.

The reza are the small asils. They have compact bodies and round heads. These were said to be the rooster of the north Indian nobility and were considered by most as the only true asils. I understand they are quite hard to find in India or Pakistan, but they are also very popular and coveted in South America and the Caribbean where they are fought in postiza.

The asils are then group into sub-strains, with breeds such as Sonatol, Rampuri, Ghan, Hint,Hindu, Jawa, Lakha etc. The names usually derive from the color or province of origin.

Then of course there are the asils that made it to the western world, many names and strains such as the Boles,Potato, Atkinson

It is also important not confuse other oriental strains as asils. The Shamos, Brazillians, Thai, Japs are not asils. They are orientals. Asils are oriental fowl from India-Pakistan region.

hope this helps.

tonio

Mike Everett
April 17th, 2010, 10:42 PM
I have a question for you Oriental breeders. I've always heard Asil hens are not spurred, do Jap hens come spurred? From looking at your Asil/Jap blends, I'm beginning to believe the Doug Hughes I have might be have some of the Gowdy blood in them. Some of them look just like aemartinez's red Jap.

KNIFEROOSTER
April 17th, 2010, 11:12 PM
very nice asil stag...
Thanks my friend ,
Your red Jap are very nice !!, were you got them ? I have mine for 13 years and now are most feathered and some came spangle .

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/pocasplumas/IMG_1629.jpg?t=1271516910

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m278/pocasplumas/IMG_1635.jpg?t=1271517038

5SAINTS
April 17th, 2010, 11:48 PM
Thank you for the info Tonio!

It is also important not confuse other oriental strains as asils. The Shamos, Brazillians, Thai, Japs are not asils. They are orientals. Asils are oriental fowl from India-Pakistan region.

I got confused here because I see people put "Thai Ails or Aseel" as a strain of asil blood...The Thai gamebirds look alot like the large shamo type.....My buddy has them black Thai's and they are huge..

don b
April 18th, 2010, 12:36 AM
Boles dom stag http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk164/oldthorrr/dom2-3.jpg

Boles black grey cock http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk164/oldthorrr/b1a.jpg

Boles red cock
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk164/oldthorrr/red1-2.jpg

profits
April 18th, 2010, 12:57 AM
Boles dom stag http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk164/oldthorrr/dom2-3.jpg

Boles black grey cock http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk164/oldthorrr/b1a.jpg

Boles red cock
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk164/oldthorrr/red1-2.jpg


Very nice sir don b:)

don b
April 18th, 2010, 12:58 AM
yes, asils are oriental fowl from India-Pakistan region. Shamos, Brazillians, Thai, Japs, Jolo, Parawakan are practically Malay. Japs, Shamos are malays that made their way thru China to get to Japan. Somewhere in between maybe they interbred for the difference in sizes and purpose.

eaglebeak
April 18th, 2010, 01:00 AM
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/miller9572/chickens013.jpg atkinson asil cock

eaglebeak
April 18th, 2010, 01:05 AM
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/miller9572/asil006.jpg asil rh

eaglebeak
April 18th, 2010, 01:11 AM
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/miller9572/asil007.jpg asil chet

aurora gold
April 18th, 2010, 04:15 AM
i prefer orientals made in thailand,palawan,jolo
than made in india:D

aemartinez
April 18th, 2010, 07:02 AM
shamo http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/orientals066.jpg

aemartinez
April 18th, 2010, 07:09 AM
his nest brother but bigger 7lbs. http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/orientals057.jpg

Draven51501
April 18th, 2010, 07:29 AM
My buddy has them black Thai's and they are huge..

as i was told and stated many times before, there are mainly two types, spur type(smaller of the two, used for fighting in artificial weapons) and non-spur type(large, used for boxing)..

aemartinez
April 18th, 2010, 08:27 AM
here's for boxing type shamo http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/orientals071.jpg

cnucum
April 18th, 2010, 12:11 PM
I got confused here because I see people put "Thai Ails or Aseel" as a strain of asil blood...The Thai gamebirds look alot like the large shamo type.....My buddy has them black Thai's and they are huge..

Well if you want information about oriental fowls... You can check this out:

http://www.ganoi.com/asil/main/

A lot of people get confused with oriental fowls and rightfully so, coz there are more oriental "gamefowls" than american or western fowls around... When you finished reading all whats in those sites, you'll see what I mean... :)

Also not to step on anyone's toes, but it's not only the small aseels that are game in steel... I have indian (from india and not US :D) friends and co-workers here that tell me, they have knife fights all over the indian continent and they use mostly large fowls, 4 kg. and up.

Hotspring
April 18th, 2010, 12:47 PM
Well if you want information about oriental fowls... You can check this out:

http://www.ganoi.com/asil/main/

A lot of people get confused with oriental fowls and rightfully so, coz there are more oriental "gamefowls" than american or western fowls around... When you finished reading all whats in those sites, you'll see what I mean... :)

Also not to step on anyone's toes, but it's not only the small aseels that are game in steel... I have indian (from india and not US :D) friends and co-workers here that tell me, they have knife fights all over the indian continent and they use mostly large fowls, 4 kg. and up.


Amen :p


I believe the best asil excels in both naked heel and fights with weapon.........


Idol Chris, w/c do you think is better Patan Asil or 5-6 Asil????

cnucum
April 18th, 2010, 02:00 PM
Amen :p

I believe the best asil excels in both naked heel and fights with weapon.........

Idol Chris, w/c do you think is better Patan Asil or 5-6 Asil????

Here is THE MAN that KNOWS his orientals gentlemen, both in weapon and naked heel... :) of course that's my humble opinion only...

Idol Rico, I am really not sure, depends, if I want a "leather jacket" or need to "barrow some cash"... :o

Kidding aside, I do agree the best asil will excel in both type of fights but since I don't fight naked heel, I will be happy with something that excels only in the weapon fight...

But... If you want me to have one that excels in both, you might want to share some of those Saab Viper Asils of yours with me? :D A blend of Rampuri/Saab or Melville/Saab will help me a lot I think...

3rdGen
April 18th, 2010, 03:26 PM
Madipara Asil grade.

http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/Off-Colors/DSC_2600.jpg

(L/k show winner unscratched)

3rdGen
April 18th, 2010, 03:33 PM
What are the different types of asils ? what is their differences?

This is a good one-pager read:

http://www.ganoi.com/asil/main/asilmania/physical/physical.htm

dotman
April 18th, 2010, 04:11 PM
Madipara Asil grade.

http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/Off-Colors/DSC_2600.jpg

(L/k show winner unscratched)


Nice!!!!

competitor
April 19th, 2010, 02:47 AM
Here is THE MAN that KNOWS his orientals gentlemen, both in weapon and naked heel... :) of course that's my humble opinion only...

Idol Rico, I am really not sure, depends, if I want a "leather jacket" or need to "barrow some cash"... :o

Kidding aside, I do agree the best asil will excel in both type of fights but since I don't fight naked heel, I will be happy with something that excels only in the weapon fight...

But... If you want me to have one that excels in both, you might want to share some of those Saab Viper Asils of yours with me? :D A blend of Rampuri/Saab or Melville/Saab will help me a lot I think...



SAAB VIPER.....HMMMMMMN......PARENG BOSS RICO,I SMELL SOMETHING NOT FISHY...BUT CHICKENNY....;)

colt39
April 19th, 2010, 06:05 AM
This is a good one-pager read:

http://www.ganoi.com/asil/main/asilmania/physical/physical.htm

Wonder who wrote this? The Boles Asil is my Pic from Les.

Good info!

floresmay
April 19th, 2010, 06:47 AM
Very nice asil grade 3rdGen! an offcolor at that . . .
Madipara Asil grade.

http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt123/calantas/Off-Colors/DSC_2600.jpg

(L/k show winner unscratched)

Engkanto
April 19th, 2010, 09:49 AM
Hi Enganto, can you post a pic of her? Thanks

Hi Grim_Reapin, here's 2 pictures of the Atkinson Sonatol pullet that I just took this afternoon. She's got solid and compact body and I really like her light golden color. I'm sorry she moves a lot and can't take a good angle with my camera.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5185.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5165.jpg


Later this year, I will try to breed her to my Cobras and am really excited to see how the Cobra - Sonatol cross would come out. I'll probably get some regular reds stags with a more sleek body structure than my Cobras (more like Ghan looking Asils). Here is my main Cobra broodcock:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5093_01.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5094_01.jpg

And of course his current girlfriend is really jealous and mad to this new arrival, LOL...
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5157_01.jpg

Thanks,
Edwin

3rdGen
April 19th, 2010, 11:23 AM
Thanks dotman and floresmay!

Jim, the referenced Boles Asil in the pic looks to me like a grade (half or 3/4 asil) carrying Bobby's black blood?

Notice the squinted eyes, big jug head and short eagle-like beak of the Reza-type South Americans or "Asil Argentinos" -- characteristics of the signature red Boles Asils. These Argentino Asils bred for steel with focus on speed, agility and accuracy to the body (not the typical neck-wrestling head-hunting type) made it to North America. It may be possible that the stock that Clarence got from the Gypsy family while he was stationed in Texas that he sent to Bobby in CA and started his signature line were this type of asil.

Anyways, it's no longer a secret that Bobby crossed his signature red asil (Reza-type of the India-Pakistan region) to black jap (Shamo-type of the Malay/Thai region) to produce a hybrid oriental stock. These were then crossed to his squeeky crow blacks (Bankiva-type western/American) to produce a three-way asil(reza)-jap(shamo/thai)-western(bankiva) super battlecrosses.

aurora gold
April 19th, 2010, 01:37 PM
bobby boles experimented with many different kinds of orientals...most of us knew that
but most if not all statements wrote after his death were mere speculations of different writers....not facts
as bobby was known to be very secretive of his breeding method

lexlavin32
April 19th, 2010, 01:57 PM
What are the different types of asils ? what is their differences?

Pakistan Asil (Punjabi or Sindhi), speed type, body puncher, good station and body. We fight it here in Naked Heel or 2.5" to 3" artifical Heel. Some looks like Sweater-Asil Grades.

don b
April 19th, 2010, 02:21 PM
bobby boles experimented with many different kinds of orientals...most of us knew that
but most if not all statements wrote after his death were mere speculations of different writers....not facts
as bobby was known to be very secretive of his breeding method yes, I agree with you as many others were misled..................... anybody know where this type of comb came from. The first time I saw this type of comb was on a local native when I was in Iloilo for the Ati-atihan way back in the 70's? Still wondering.................. http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk164/oldthorrr/patch.jpg

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk164/oldthorrr/dspur.jpg
the double spur, is it from the Sumatra? Would you have it on your asils or is it just from the Boles, the same goes to the patch on the comb?

5SAINTS
April 19th, 2010, 02:55 PM
This is a good one-pager read:

http://www.ganoi.com/asil/main/asilmania/physical/physical.htm


Good info!!! In the pictures they show the eyes like pearl white eyes... I never seen them so light in color in any fowl...Usually yellow to dark red and solid black in the mcares but not white...

rambeto
April 19th, 2010, 03:57 PM
Sir Tonio,

Can I ask what type of Asil in the image below. 2x winner in boxing & 1X winner in 2cock asil derby (LK) weight 3.8Kg.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/rambeto/Image079-1.jpg


Asils are first divided into two categories, kulang and reza. The difference between the two is the size.

The kulang are the big extra large brirds. They have longer bodies and heads. These are the asils that are most common in pakistan and india and are used for naked heel fighting.

The reza are the small asils. They have compact bodies and round heads. These were said to be the rooster of the north Indian nobility and were considered by most as the only true asils. I understand they are quite hard to find in India or Pakistan, but they are also very popular and coveted in South America and the Caribbean where they are fought in postiza.

The asils are then group into sub-strains, with breeds such as Sonatol, Rampuri, Ghan, Hint,Hindu, Jawa, Lakha etc. The names usually derive from the color or province of origin.

Then of course there are the asils that made it to the western world, many names and strains such as the Boles,Potato, Atkinson

It is also important not confuse other oriental strains as asils. The Shamos, Brazillians, Thai, Japs are not asils. They are orientals. Asils are oriental fowl from India-Pakistan region.

hope this helps.

tonio

dotman
April 19th, 2010, 04:27 PM
Sir Tonio,

Can I ask what type of Asil in the image below. 2x winner in boxing & 1X winner in 2cock asil derby (LK) weight 3.8Kg.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/rambeto/Image079-1.jpg


Nice!!! Very good looking asil...

competitor
April 19th, 2010, 04:34 PM
[QUOTE=Engkanto]Hi Grim_Reapin, here's 2 pictures of the Atkinson Sonatol pullet that I just took this afternoon. She's got solid and compact body and I really like her light golden color. I'm sorry she moves a lot and can't take a good angle with my camera.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5185.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5165.jpg


Later this year, I will try to breed her to my Cobras and am really excited to see how the Cobra - Sonatol cross would come out. I'll probably get some regular reds stags with a more sleek body structure than my Cobras (more like Ghan looking Asils). Here is my main Cobra broodcock:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5093_01.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5094_01.jpg



VERY NICE SPECIMEN YOU GOT THERE SIR!....GOOD LUCK ON YOUR BREEDING PROGRAM....




JUST SHOWING OFF THESE PAIRS....VERY HAPPY AS WELL THAT THEY HAVE PRODUCED 9 MORE HEALTHY CHICKS,EARLY APRIL BORN....CANT WAIT TO SEE THEIR CHICKS....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture144.jpg





THIS PAIR IS THE F1 OF THE PAIR ABOVE,HAVENT TESTED THEM YET BUT,BECAUSE WE'RE HAPPY WITH WHAT WE SEE,WE DECIDED TO REPEAT THE MATING ALREADY....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture155.jpg

floresmay
April 19th, 2010, 05:14 PM
H Atkinson Asil - Shamo Broodcock

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7/floresmay/13102009856.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7/floresmay/13102009857.jpg

offsprings

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7/floresmay/asilgradesmatutum.jpg

dotman
April 19th, 2010, 05:49 PM
H Atkinson Asil - Shamo Broodcock

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7/floresmay/13102009856.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7/floresmay/13102009857.jpg

offsprings

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k7/floresmay/asilgradesmatutum.jpg

Boss Gilbert,

Kumusta? Nice looking broodcock and healthy looking cockerels. Goodluck with them!!!

Engkanto
April 19th, 2010, 11:51 PM
Thanks Competitor, you too have very good orientals. Good luck breeding them.

yfis,
Edwin

aemartinez
April 20th, 2010, 08:54 AM
red jap stag and cuban hen http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/orientals049.jpg

aemartinez
April 20th, 2010, 03:42 PM
muff/asil http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/orientals039.jpg

magic
April 20th, 2010, 11:45 PM
[QUOTE=cnucum]Here is THE MAN that KNOWS his orientals gentlemen, both in weapon and naked heel... :) of course that's my humble opinion only...

Idol Rico, I am really not sure, depends, if I want a "leather jacket" or need to "barrow some cash"... :o


pre chris, i did try wearing and have until now the "leather jacket" gifted to me by a pako friend while working in mideast....what i did not try is to borrow some cash from a 5/6 friend...lol!

filamforks
April 21st, 2010, 02:16 AM
muff/asil http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/orientals039.jpg


You surely have nice asils/fowls sir. Thanks for sharing the pics.

aemartinez
April 21st, 2010, 07:55 AM
You surely have nice asils/fowls sir. Thanks for sharing the pics.
thanks filam

Draven51501
April 21st, 2010, 12:33 PM
http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture155.jpg

i like this broodcock, pre!

xxxian21
April 21st, 2010, 03:27 PM
First sparring of my ONDOY LINES (turning 7 months this coming 29)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miwYU7dVd1Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkHRUU-Zp8Y&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt8PYVlOCoE&feature=related

competitor
April 21st, 2010, 03:41 PM
i like this broodcock, pre!



HE'S 1/2 DOUG HUGHES ASIL 1/2 JIM CLEM BLACK JAP PRE.....WE MATED HIM TO THE F1 STRAIGHT JAP OF JIM....HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME 3/4 JAP 1/4 D.G.ASIL....STILL INCUBATING HER EGGS THOUGH.....

aemartinez
April 21st, 2010, 05:51 PM
shamo back view http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/orientals064.jpg

the_archangel
April 22nd, 2010, 10:37 AM
tonio : what kind of asils can be found in the southern indian region, mumbai/pune? and do you think, these asils are still existent there?

aemartinez
April 22nd, 2010, 10:55 AM
shamo back side
http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/orientals064.jpg

aemartinez
April 22nd, 2010, 11:01 AM
muff/asil
http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/orientals039.jpg

competitor
April 22nd, 2010, 03:24 PM
BRED BY BOB HOWARD....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/ASILBC.jpg

rambeto
April 22nd, 2010, 09:17 PM
Nice!!! Very good looking asil...

Thanks sir Dotman, he is now in pre keep for May 7 fight (LK) again..

dar0406
April 23rd, 2010, 11:19 AM
bole's asil X black


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/SpitfireGamebird/tinyboles.jpg

aemartinez
April 23rd, 2010, 01:52 PM
bole's asil X black


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc191/SpitfireGamebird/tinyboles.jpg
nice.....

Grim_Reapin
April 23rd, 2010, 03:18 PM
Hi Grim_Reapin, here's 2 pictures of the Atkinson Sonatol pullet that I just took this afternoon. She's got solid and compact body and I really like her light golden color. I'm sorry she moves a lot and can't take a good angle with my camera.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5185.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5165.jpg


Later this year, I will try to breed her to my Cobras and am really excited to see how the Cobra - Sonatol cross would come out. I'll probably get some regular reds stags with a more sleek body structure than my Cobras (more like Ghan looking Asils). Here is my main Cobra broodcock:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5093_01.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5094_01.jpg

And of course his current girlfriend is really jealous and mad to this new arrival, LOL...
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5157_01.jpg

Thanks,
Edwin Hi Engkanto, thanks for taking the pic! She's a looker! Your cobras look bad ass! Let me know how the cross of the two come out. I will take a pic of my ladies :D Thanks, Raul

Draven51501
April 23rd, 2010, 05:04 PM
HE'S 1/2 DOUG HUGHES ASIL 1/2 JIM CLEM BLACK JAP PRE.....WE MATED HIM TO THE F1 STRAIGHT JAP OF JIM....HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOME 3/4 JAP 1/4 D.G.ASIL....STILL INCUBATING HER EGGS THOUGH.....

collecting materials for breeding, good luck, pre!

majority of what i produced are thai crosses and more are coming.. i wished i hatched out earlier to try them in the local stag before the nationals..

hope many ABCs will be fielding their grades in the coming stag season also.. Good Luck to all of us!

xxxian21
April 23rd, 2010, 07:43 PM
1/2 BMB hatch grey 1/4 YLH 1/4 thai

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1661/dscn2044k.jpg

cnucum
April 23rd, 2010, 09:26 PM
A few of my White Asil / White Irish WH grades...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0128.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0131.jpg

Really tall SOB's... :D Hope they'll be ready for the stag season...

This was the pen that brought them in this world...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0014.jpg

Unfortunately, the BC died in the cord... He ate some of them poisonus caterpillar... :o

Engkanto
April 23rd, 2010, 09:46 PM
Hi Engkanto, thanks for taking the pic! She's a looker! Your cobras look bad ass! Let me know how the cross of the two come out. I will take a pic of my ladies :D Thanks, Raul

Thanks Raul. Yes please, I would like to see also some of your Sonatols.

Yup, these Cobras look ferocious and savage but they are the exact opposite in character. My hen is really peaceful and wouldn't mind sharing the broodpen with other hens as long as they don't bother her. Well one day, I tried to put my dominant and much older Warhorse hen in the same breeding pen to mate also with my Cobra broodcock. The Warhorse being "bossy" started attacking the Cobra but the Cobra hen gave her some really hard blows in the chest area and scared the hell out of the Warhorse. But after showing her who the real boss is, she let the Warhorse stay with them inside the pen in peace.

The Cobra broodcock is the perfect gentleman in the animal kingdom. In the pen, he would sort and arrange the hay I've placed on the nests and would make noise calling the hens when he's done fixing the nest (the same noise most roosters do when calling hens for food). I've also seen him several times sitting on the eggs while the hen is outside feeding. He would also help the hen break larger pieces of food or grits and feed them to baby chicks. But these Cobras are really game. I let a few Mexican friends have a stag or two for breeding and crossing but some would show them in their Mexican shows pure. There was even one pure stag that had won twice (barely a year old) but he died on the second fight.

Thanks again for the nice words. I really have high hopes with the Cobra - Sonatol cross. Can't wait to see the outcome.

yfis,
Edwin

Engkanto
April 23rd, 2010, 09:51 PM
A few of my White Asil / White Irish WH grades...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0128.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0131.jpg

Really tall SOB's... :D Hope they'll be ready for the stag season...

This was the pen that brought them in this world...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0014.jpg

Unfortunately, the BC died in the cord... He ate some of them poisonus caterpillar... :o

Nice White grades Chris. Yeah, they're a little bit taller than normal but maybe they'll balance a little bit when they mature. Good luck.

yfis,
Edwin

aemartinez
April 24th, 2010, 07:00 AM
1/2 BMB hatch grey 1/4 YLH 1/4 thai

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/1661/dscn2044k.jpg
nice young asils

cnucum
April 24th, 2010, 10:59 AM
Nice White grades Chris. Yeah, they're a little bit taller than normal but maybe they'll balance a little bit when they mature. Good luck.

yfis,
Edwin

Thanks Edwin... Actually they won't... Their dad is like that... I call em Super Hi Station... :D

If they are any good I will just breed them back to their aunts to get a more balanced station... I am really not into the "Hi Station" thingy... I like mine in the mid to mid-hi... ;)

Good luck on your oriental breeding also...

Draven51501
April 24th, 2010, 04:50 PM
This was the pen that brought them in this world...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0014.jpg

chris, are the white whitehackles hens also tall stationed?

cnucum
April 24th, 2010, 05:15 PM
chris, are the white whitehackles hens also tall stationed?

nope, they are mid-hi station only... that's why if the 1/2 offspring are very good, I will want to breed back to the White Irish Hens and maybe make a more balanced station fowl...

cnucum
April 25th, 2010, 01:17 PM
A few more asil graded baby stags... Hopefully good to go this coming stag season...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0124-1.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0135.jpg

Most of them are Mcrae cross...

BILLABONG
April 25th, 2010, 02:29 PM
A few more asil graded baby stags... Hopefully good to go this coming stag season...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0124-1.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0135.jpg

Most of them are Mcrae cross...preng chris black hamlin bto?

competitor
April 25th, 2010, 09:08 PM
A few more asil graded baby stags... Hopefully good to go this coming stag season...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0124-1.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0135.jpg

Most of them are Mcrae cross...



JUST A HUNCH PRE,...THEY MAY LOOK LIKE THIS ONE WHEN THEY MATURE???....;) ....LOOKING VERY GOOD PRE...


http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture183.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture186.jpg

Grim_Reapin
April 26th, 2010, 07:11 AM
Thanks Raul. Yes please, I would like to see also some of your Sonatols.

Yup, these Cobras look ferocious and savage but they are the exact opposite in character. My hen is really peaceful and wouldn't mind sharing the broodpen with other hens as long as they don't bother her. Well one day, I tried to put my dominant and much older Warhorse hen in the same breeding pen to mate also with my Cobra broodcock. The Warhorse being "bossy" started attacking the Cobra but the Cobra hen gave her some really hard blows in the chest area and scared the hell out of the Warhorse. But after showing her who the real boss is, she let the Warhorse stay with them inside the pen in peace.

The Cobra broodcock is the perfect gentleman in the animal kingdom. In the pen, he would sort and arrange the hay I've placed on the nests and would make noise calling the hens when he's done fixing the nest (the same noise most roosters do when calling hens for food). I've also seen him several times sitting on the eggs while the hen is outside feeding. He would also help the hen break larger pieces of food or grits and feed them to baby chicks. But these Cobras are really game. I let a few Mexican friends have a stag or two for breeding and crossing but some would show them in their Mexican shows pure. There was even one pure stag that had won twice (barely a year old) but he died on the second fight.

Thanks again for the nice words. I really have high hopes with the Cobra - Sonatol cross. Can't wait to see the outcome.

yfis,
Edwin Hi Edwin, this is one of the pullets that i was going to cross to the cobra stag that i had. http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/GrimReapin/040.jpg

Grim_Reapin
April 26th, 2010, 07:27 AM
Thanks Raul. Yes please, I would like to see also some of your Sonatols.

Yup, these Cobras look ferocious and savage but they are the exact opposite in character. My hen is really peaceful and wouldn't mind sharing the broodpen with other hens as long as they don't bother her. Well one day, I tried to put my dominant and much older Warhorse hen in the same breeding pen to mate also with my Cobra broodcock. The Warhorse being "bossy" started attacking the Cobra but the Cobra hen gave her some really hard blows in the chest area and scared the hell out of the Warhorse. But after showing her who the real boss is, she let the Warhorse stay with them inside the pen in peace.

The Cobra broodcock is the perfect gentleman in the animal kingdom. In the pen, he would sort and arrange the hay I've placed on the nests and would make noise calling the hens when he's done fixing the nest (the same noise most roosters do when calling hens for food). I've also seen him several times sitting on the eggs while the hen is outside feeding. He would also help the hen break larger pieces of food or grits and feed them to baby chicks. But these Cobras are really game. I let a few Mexican friends have a stag or two for breeding and crossing but some would show them in their Mexican shows pure. There was even one pure stag that had won twice (barely a year old) but he died on the second fight.

Thanks again for the nice words. I really have high hopes with the Cobra - Sonatol cross. Can't wait to see the outcome.

yfis,
Edwin This one also!http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/GrimReapin/039.jpg

Engkanto
April 26th, 2010, 08:51 AM
This one also!http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/GrimReapin/039.jpg

Nice looking pullet Raul. It's really sad that you lost that beautiful cobra stag. Is he the one you posted on this thread with a Sonatol hen? He looks nice and well-balanced. The red Cobras I used to have looked similar to yours. They are a bit smaller than my dark cobra with finer bone and more sleek body.

Here are some photos I took last year of my red cobras:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/030_01.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/029_01.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/067_01.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/020.jpg

Thanks,
Edwin

cnucum
April 26th, 2010, 10:53 AM
preng chris black hamlin bto?

I don't have any hamlins, they are Black Mcrae cross with rampuri or melville asil blood depending on the markings...

cnucum
April 26th, 2010, 10:56 AM
JUST A HUNCH PRE,...THEY MAY LOOK LIKE THIS ONE WHEN THEY MATURE???....;) ....LOOKING VERY GOOD PRE...

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture183.jpg

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture186.jpg

I hope they look half as good as that one... :D Too bad there are only a few of them, 2/3rd's were pullets of all the asil grades I bred... :o Good thing is, if these few are good, I have a lot to grade again in the breeding season... :)

JWPurdy
April 26th, 2010, 11:08 AM
This is a 10 month old asil-jap stag on my yard here in Kentucky:

http://sabongpress.com/japasil4252010.gif

aemartinez
April 26th, 2010, 11:12 AM
This is a 10 month old asil-jap stag on my yard here in Kentucky:

http://sabongpress.com/japasil4252010.gif
good looking asil/jap stag

Grim_Reapin
April 26th, 2010, 02:26 PM
Nice looking pullet Raul. It's really sad that you lost that beautiful cobra stag. Is he the one you posted on this thread with a Sonatol hen? He looks nice and well-balanced. The red Cobras I used to have looked similar to yours. They are a bit smaller than my dark cobra with finer bone and more sleek body.

Here are some photos I took last year of my red cobras:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/030_01.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/029_01.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/067_01.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/020.jpg

Thanks,
Edwin Hey Edwin, no thats my pure pair of sonatols. The cobra stag that i lost looked alot like yours but with a little more red on him. What happen to your red cobras? Here is one of the grades half asil half sweater.http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/GrimReapin/042.jpg

Draven51501
April 26th, 2010, 02:52 PM
thanks, chris. your black grades are looking good and developing well!

thai/sweater:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c364/draven51501/2010%20Season/sweaterthai.jpg

sigh.. why didn't i repeat this cross for this season, i think they will do well in the stag derbies..

xxxian21
April 26th, 2010, 08:59 PM
nice young asils

Thank you sir!

hencura
April 26th, 2010, 10:49 PM
My TAG Mclean with an Asil blood in him. A 4 yrs breeding process. Can I consider now this as a success in breeding?

http://www.bilihan.com.ph/forum/index.php?topic=155.msg1028#msg1028

Engkanto
April 26th, 2010, 10:56 PM
Hey Edwin, no thats my pure pair of sonatols. The cobra stag that i lost looked alot like yours but with a little more red on him. What happen to your red cobras? Here is one of the grades half asil half sweater.http://i670.photobucket.com/albums/vv64/GrimReapin/042.jpg

Thanks Raul,

I discontinue my red Cobra line. I like the dark ones better - higher station, bigger boned, more solid and muscular body (built like a tank, lol) and of course, I like the dark color. Both families are powerful and game but the red cobras are faster and move better the the dark cobras. It's a hard decision but I have to choose between the two because I have limited facility to raise birds (and I also have my American bloodlines to consider). Now I can focus more my time and effort improving just one family of oriental (the sonatol hen I just acquired is just for infusion of new Asil blood and will be bred out eventually).

Good luck on your breeding.

yfis,
Edwin

don b
April 26th, 2010, 11:06 PM
Do u guys want to know how BOBBY BOLES fowls look like? Serge Capistrano called me up because he wants to share his old footage at Mr. Bobby Boles fowls. Folks , this is the real deal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzYXXP0h_Nk
part 1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvp6kGdYwKU

Part 2 with sparring

Al

Thanks to Al, gamecock96.

competitor
April 28th, 2010, 01:19 AM
I hope they look half as good as that one... :D Too bad there are only a few of them, 2/3rd's were pullets of all the asil grades I bred... :o Good thing is, if these few are good, I have a lot to grade again in the breeding season...



NO DOUBT THEY WILL BE GOOD IF NOT EXCELLENT PRE...;)
2/3 FEMALES?....NOW THATS A LOT OF BREEDING STOCKS FOR NEXT SEASON....:D

Arena Aces
April 28th, 2010, 06:24 AM
Sounds fun. Where are you located at to hunt these type of deer?sounds like fun,don't it Jim!!! ... The Asil is the Boles that I got from Les. I sent them over to my farm. bred them, then took a pair to Mauro to be safe guarded and bred. I don't want any pure ones out is what I told him. I KNOW that the Romalos are crossing them but I don't want the straight Boles out.

Engkanto
April 28th, 2010, 09:16 AM
Cobra Pullet grade from last year's late hatched (3/4 Asil - 1/4 Hatch). She's just 6 months old and she is starting to look like her Aunt. Will try to cross her with my YLH next year for the 3/8 Oriental-5/8 American grade.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5221_01.jpg


This is her Dad:
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa25/Engkanto22/My%20Fowls/DSCF5201.jpg

aurora gold
April 28th, 2010, 11:06 AM
how's your orietal breeding brothers:)

Noel838
April 28th, 2010, 11:31 AM
how's your orietal breeding brothers:)

congrats :)

xxxian21
April 28th, 2010, 09:01 PM
CHECK OUT MY ONDOY BLACK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4o-IPQ3LaI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psPMqfIhNI0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnBEZ9RFD_0

Mike Everett
April 29th, 2010, 10:39 AM
I'm very happy today..got two trios of the Black Deaths..very vertical cocks.

Draven51501
April 29th, 2010, 11:16 AM
I'm very happy today..got two trios of the Black Deaths..very vertical cocks.

any pictures, mike?

brownred30
April 29th, 2010, 11:22 AM
Never heard of those, what are they?

cnucum
May 1st, 2010, 12:56 PM
NO DOUBT THEY WILL BE GOOD IF NOT EXCELLENT PRE...
2/3 FEMALES?....NOW THATS A LOT OF BREEDING STOCKS FOR NEXT SEASON....

Yes pre, there will be many to breed this coming breeding season and hopefully I will be in the PI to set the pens again and get to fight some asil grade stags also... :D

I will breed more 1/2Mcrae 1/4Hatch 1/4Asil and maybe some 3/4Mcrae 1/4Asil... Plus some 1/2Japs 1/2Mcrae... ;)

I am still contemplating if I will breed more red and white asil grades for battle as I do not have the space to hold all if ever... I might just breed them for materials only at this point... The battle grades I produced from the red and white asils will do for now to do some further testing... :)

competitor
May 1st, 2010, 03:52 PM
Yes pre, there will be many to breed this coming breeding season and hopefully I will be in the PI to set the pens again and get to fight some asil grade stags also... :D

I will breed more 1/2Mcrae 1/4Hatch 1/4Asil and maybe some 3/4Mcrae 1/4Asil... Plus some 1/2Japs 1/2Mcrae... ;)

I am still contemplating if I will breed more red and white asil grades for battle as I do not have the space to hold all if ever... I might just breed them for materials only at this point... The battle grades I produced from the red and white asils will do for now to do some further testing... :)



HAHAHAHA!...THATS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM FOR US BACKYARD BREEDERS PRE,WE WANT TO PRODUCE AS MUCH AS WE CAN,BUT DUE TO LACK OF SPACE WE JUST HAVE TO LIMIT THE PRODUCTION....
ANY HOW,SOON WE'LL FIND OUT WHICH AMONG THEM GRADES NEEDS TO BE RETAINED....

GOOD LUCK TO US PRE....;)

aemartinez
May 2nd, 2010, 05:53 AM
red jap http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/blackjaps046.jpg

lansford101
May 2nd, 2010, 06:59 AM
red jap http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/blackjaps046.jpg
grouchy jap

eaglebeak
May 2nd, 2010, 07:58 AM
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/miller9572/pullets004.jpg asil chet pullets

Engkanto
May 2nd, 2010, 09:55 AM
http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz314/miller9572/pullets004.jpg asil chet pullets

Wow Sir Eaglebeak, those are really nice pullets. I really like their dark color.

yfis,
Edwin

cnucum
May 6th, 2010, 04:13 PM
more tall white asil grade baby stags... :D

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0125-1.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0132.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/darth_guyver/PICT0122.jpg

hotspur
May 6th, 2010, 05:36 PM
Thanks to Al, gamecock96. thanks for sharing,don b,gamecock96,sergecapistrano at dobandits.kaya lang na delete ang sparring pwede ba i pm na lang sa akin?salamat ng marami.
at goodluck to donb cnucum competitor draven engkanto at marami pa iba na mga tulad ko nagpapalahi ng asil.sana makuha rin ang pina ka ultimo sa pagpalahi ng mga asil.
apology bruvs my mistake did not realised im in english forum.

nilodeleon
May 6th, 2010, 07:16 PM
hey! jim, what you've been doing? hope all is well.
and hello to everybody, 3rd gen, slip, mike, aemart and chris good luck on this coming season, keep them pens ready.
cheers!!!
kid

competitor
May 6th, 2010, 09:04 PM
how Is Everybody Doin?....hope All The Materials Are Raedy For Offseason?....



Preng Chris,
Looks Like Those Whites Took Some Genes From Yao Ming?....heheheh1



Kuya Joe,
We're Still Trying To Produce Some More Grades...in Fact,majority Of The Produce This Season Are Asil Grades....



Let The Asil Grades Ready To Rumbbbbbbllllllleeeeeee!

nilodeleon
May 6th, 2010, 11:36 PM
how Is Everybody Doin?....hope All The Materials Are Raedy For Offseason?....



Preng Chris,
Looks Like Those Whites Took Some Genes From Yao Ming?....heheheh1



Kuya Joe,
We're Still Trying To Produce Some More Grades...in Fact,majority Of The Produce This Season Are Asil Grades....



Let The Asil Grades Ready To Rumbbbbbbllllllleeeeeee!
those were chickens? thought he's got some pictures from the movie "avatar".
kid

competitor
May 6th, 2010, 11:45 PM
those were chickens? thought he's got some pictures from the movie "avatar".
kid




hehehehe!.....still chickens....nothing else....;)

3rdGen
May 7th, 2010, 12:36 AM
hey! jim, what you've been doing? hope all is well.
and hello to everybody, 3rd gen, slip, mike, aemart and chris good luck on this coming season, keep them pens ready.
cheers!!!
kid


Hey nilo wazzup?! I got 50-some island-born cockerels in the range that I'd like to get banded. That's all we could produce out of the original brood stocks that I moved to our PI farm in Batangas. I contacted rambulan last night and got a positive response. I wonder if I can still get them banded for bakbakan. I hope I could join both this year as them grades and albany crosses are really looking good. Had to pen some already as they're already beginning to show and top hens. Best of luck!

aurora gold
May 7th, 2010, 11:58 AM
will post later some pantupada grades:D

colt39
May 7th, 2010, 12:51 PM
hey! jim, what you've been doing? hope all is well.
and hello to everybody, 3rd gen, slip, mike, aemart and chris good luck on this coming season, keep them pens ready.
cheers!!!
kid



Hey, how are you? Got very busy. Spring is a busy time. Collecting eggs, hatching them, taking care of the young & then care for everything else.

Then busy with my other two businesses. No time for much, lol!!

What have you been doing?

nilodeleon
May 7th, 2010, 10:14 PM
Hey, how are you? Got very busy. Spring is a busy time. Collecting eggs, hatching them, taking care of the young & then care for everything else.

Then busy with my other two businesses. No time for much, lol!!

What have you been doing?
we're almost done with the breding, got around 80 cockerels on the range 2 months the youngest, a few more in the brooders and around 60 eggs hatching.
jim, i have a question and everyone is invited to chip in, is it true that off season bred chickens are smaller and a little inferior in quality than the in season bred ones?
thanks and i wish everyone a nice day.
kid
too much pollen though!

aurora gold
May 7th, 2010, 11:23 PM
http://i664.photobucket.com/albums/vv9/hatchpower/LONEWOLF%20GAMEFARM%20PARAWAKAN%20AND%20THAI%20GRA DES/maybakasyon2010274.jpg
PARAWAKAN-SWEATER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMAYwbfXHjM

colt39
May 7th, 2010, 11:28 PM
we're almost done with the breding, got around 80 cockerels on the range 2 months the youngest, a few more in the brooders and around 60 eggs hatching.
jim, i have a question and everyone is invited to chip in, is it true that off season bred chickens are smaller and a little inferior in quality than the in season bred ones?
thanks and i wish everyone a nice day.
kid
too much pollen though!


Yup, they do come smaller & some a little inferrior but not all. I have had some really good off season birds or as we call them, late hatched. Just have to cull them harder. Some will come shorter stationed as well.

aurora gold
May 8th, 2010, 08:58 PM
So you've been winning derbies with other breeds that's why it's never your fault when you lose it's always the other breeder huh buhawi? Tell us what derbies have you won then using other breeds? Never mind "bigtime derbies" just regular derbies :rolleyes:

like i told you before,i would let my roosters do the talking:D

aurora gold
May 8th, 2010, 09:21 PM
and don't tell me to enter the sabong.net derby because i wont, if you really want to test my chickens? like what i said before, enter any derby from pampanga to baguio along mcarthur hi-way and i'll pit some birds too and meet yours there.
kid


.............hehe:D

tonio
May 8th, 2010, 09:25 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/sabong_tonio/DSC_3373.jpg

1x winner Makati Col.

1/2Rampuri

hotspur
May 8th, 2010, 09:29 PM
like i told you before,i would let my roosters do the talking:D lonewolf how you doing bruv,all the best on your next outing.
also to cnucum and competitor hope to see some kick ass asilgrades soon.from your palahi,.i love asils and asilgrades even if they are not mine.so i wish to see you do good and that goes with everbody who play aroung with breeding asils.

1/2 kashmere asil from the mum 1/4 blueface hatch,1/4 adobo asils rom dadhttp://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/asilshamo/Picture028.jpg
pure adobo line asil broodcock or london asils as they are callehttp://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/asilshamo/DSC06664.jpgd by one of our friends in iloilo

aurora gold
May 8th, 2010, 09:32 PM
lonewolf how you doing bruv,all the best on your next outing.
also to cnucum and competitor hope to see some kick ass asilgrades soon.from your palahi,.i love asils and asilgrades even if they are not mine.so i wish to see you do good and that goes with everbody who play aroung with breeding asils.

1/2 kashmere asil from the mum 1/4 blueface hatch,1/4 adobo asils rom dadhttp://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/asilshamo/Picture028.jpg



how are you my friend:)
that`s a nice looking grey grade bro;)

hotspur
May 8th, 2010, 09:51 PM
how are you my friend:)
that`s a nice looking grey grade bro;)
lonewolf thanks the one i just added is a pure adobo or london asil cock a brother to the hen i send to a friend in iloilo which produce a grandson asilgrey grade fought at the WSC.not suppose to but the main cock to fight was going off so they replace it with the lawgreyasil grade bullstag which is being use as a patuka and it won clean..i will check with darwin what year and which fight number or better still call the man from iloilo.by the way bruv,your parawakansweater grade is looking good.
adobo or london asil broodcock
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/asilshamo/DSC06664.jpg

aurora gold
May 8th, 2010, 10:05 PM
lonewolf thanks the one i just added is a pure adobo or london asil cock a brother to the hen i send to a friend in iloilo which produce a grandson asilgrey grade fought at the WSC.not suppose to but the main cock to fight was going off so they replace it with the lawgreyasil grade bullstag which is being use as a patuka and it won clean..i will check with darwin what year and which fight number or better still call the man from iloilo.by the way bruv,your parawakansweater grade is looking good.
adobo or london asil broodcock
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f262/asilshamo/DSC06664.jpg


bro hotspur,spar of another parawakan-sweater
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl1pijZhgSU

hotspur
May 9th, 2010, 06:03 AM
lonewolf your parasweater are looking sharp here is an asil henny stag against a texas stag its a repost.
just want to share spar lang hit and run tactic of the henny asil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scTCyoM1GXs

aemartinez
May 9th, 2010, 09:08 AM
jap/leipet hatch http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/seagoville098.jpg

Draven51501
May 9th, 2010, 10:10 AM
PARAWAKAN-SWEATER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMAYwbfXHjM
pre, maganda timing nitong parawakan-sweater mo! congrats!

ako, hintay-hintay pa para masubukan mag-spar...

3rdGen
May 9th, 2010, 01:16 PM
like i told you before,i would let my roosters do the talking:D

Yeah right with 6800+ posts and at least five different handles (buhawi, tsampoy, vertical_lips, express_delivery, ag, etc.) you're letting your roosters do the talking :rolleyes: . Well congratulations you finally won some. But you'll still be remembered as sabong.net's biggest mouth who got no balls to man-up to his own challenge. :p

aurora gold
May 9th, 2010, 01:38 PM
Yeah right with 6800+ posts and at least five different handles (buhawi, tsampoy, vertical_lips, express_delivery, ag, etc.) you're letting your roosters do the talking :rolleyes: . Well congratulations you finally won some. But you'll still be remembered as sabong.net's biggest mouth who got no balls to man-up to his own challenge. :p

you gotta prove first in the pit....hehe
you can write here all histories of old bloodlines plus rumors about old breeders
but if you can not win in actual fights
your knowledge about old bloodlines is useless.....kung bagay hanggang kwento ka na lang.......hahaha

3rdGen
May 9th, 2010, 02:04 PM
you gotta prove first in the pit....hehe
you can write here all histories of old bloodlines plus rumors about old breeders
but if you can not win in actual fights
your knowledge about old bloodlines is useless.....kung bagay hanggang kwento ka na lang.......hahaha

Buhawi:

Of course the pit is the only test genius, and yeah nobody else is winning except you :rolleyes:. And since you're the only one who's got something to prove here keep shooting the big mouth now that you're back in your egg.

Dynamite asil
May 9th, 2010, 03:38 PM
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/sabong_tonio/DSC_3373.jpg

1x winner Makati Col.

1/2Rampuri


Very NIce sir Tonio,

The Blue/Asil I got from you are already nesting I can't wait to see those biddies pop out.

Thanks for sharing your bloodline

Regard

JON

aemartinez
May 9th, 2010, 06:28 PM
asil/ylh http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/asilxylh.jpg

competitor
May 9th, 2010, 11:56 PM
asil/ylh http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/asilxylh.jpg




NICE!....

HERE MY OWN VERSION OF THAT CROSS....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture196.jpg





HOTSPUR,
WE'RE SLOWLY GETTING THERE......FEW MORE MONTHS AND WE'LL GET TO TEST SOME GRADES.....GOOD LUCK TO YOUR BREEDING AND FYTS AS WELL....

aemartinez
May 10th, 2010, 01:52 AM
NICE!....

HERE MY OWN VERSION OF THAT CROSS....

http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/ab177/rl18th/2010%20pics/nestorspicture196.jpg





HOTSPUR,
WE'RE SLOWLY GETTING THERE......FEW MORE MONTHS AND WE'LL GET TO TEST SOME GRADES.....GOOD LUCK TO YOUR BREEDING AND FYTS AS WELL....
nice

nilodeleon
May 10th, 2010, 07:47 PM
good morning everybody! exciting weekend eh?
hi! jim, aemart,mike, comp and oh! by the way 3rdgen:rolleyes:, may you all have a wonderful week.
keep them chicks healthy.
cheers!!!
kid

aemartinez
May 11th, 2010, 02:25 AM
asil chicks http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/grapevine004.jpg brownred cock/1/2 asil 1/2 hatch hen http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/grapevine007.jpg hatch asils http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/08-02-59/grapevine012.jpg