A Breeder's Idea "Made to order Fighting cocks"

[IMC Gamefarm]

What about setting up a system on " Made to order Fightingcocks". We are thingking about selling ready for derby fighting cocks.
The idea is to sell conditioned and ready to fight fighting cocks. Just for example you have a derby to fight next month, you can inform us and order the number of birds that you will need for that derby including the reserves. We will condition the birds for you and you will pay and pick up the birds prior to your fighting day. All you need to do is point the birds prior to the fight. Since we have our own Gaffer in the farm we will give you the option to use our handler/Gaffer during your fight.That way you can be sure that the guy that conditioned and got your birds ready knows every aspects of your birds.
We are planning to start this idea starting this coming August during the start of the Stag derbies. Anyone interested can contact us at 09154066960 or at imcgamefarm@yahoo.com

[Camarines]

Not my experience but from others and stories I heard; some breeders replace roosters that were selected by a buyer because they want to put their own selection and bet on it too. It end up costing the buyer big bucks. Also some breeders will show you beautiful fighters but at the end replacing them with bad ones. It's hard to trust when it comes to money.

[IMC Gamefarm]

I heard stories like that too but that ruins the name of the breeder. It takes years to build a reputation and if you will let greed run over reputation... you'll end up loosing everything including your friends. Our idea is to sell only to derbies where we dont fight thats why we are including our handler/ gaffer's services as an option they can have. I dont gamble and i fight my chickens for fun and for the love of the sport.

[don b]

Easier said than done? If you can select, condition your birds, and offer services of your gaffer/handler why not fight them yourself, for fun and for the love of the sport, if you don't gamble?

Things could get sour if the fowls don't win?

Make, join, offer a partnership instead or look for financers?

Camarines wrote it right,"It's hard to trust when it comes to money."

[grey/dom]

maybe there should be a deposit or a bond..what if di tutuloy ang buyer? after a month or so?....lugi ka yata dyan...pareng IMC...

should be paid first then condition....then pick up...or send...

hakahaka lang po...

[marcusrn]

that's a very good idea. i, for one am based in the US. i visit the PI every 2 or 3 years only thus setting up a farm in PI is a losing proposition. shipping birds before every vacation is not viable either as there are too many variables to consider for a month of vacation. my only other choice is like what you planned to do. as a matter of fact, that is my plan for this december. i even requested that the conditioner do the pointing also and option for the gaffer (if my gaffer friend is not available in PI, the farms' gaffer will be my gaffer also). TRUST will play a big rule for sure, but that's the same as when you obtain your breeding materials isn't it? you just have to trust that you are not being had.

[LaDy_J]

it has been going on for a long time now

but not exactly the way you described it

[hampaslupa]

tagalog tayo..hehehe!!! maganda yung mungkahi mo pero i think ikaw din ang mahihirapan nyan..yung bibili sila ng manok sa iyo for example kinabukasan derby na..kung handler ng buyer ang magpopoint problemang malaki yun dahil di nya kabisado ang manok at maaaring magkaiba kayo ng feeds..malaking adjustment iyon sa isang critical na araw pa mismo ng derby..baka masira ang pointing dahil diyan...ngayon naman kung sagot mo din ang handler, problema naman nyan papanu yung mga iba pang manok na maiiwan sa farm na kinokondisyon mo? papanu kung sabay ang derby ng bumibiling buyer at sa magkaibang lugar ang derby?? hihingi din ng extra suweldo sa iyo ang handler na ito at pagka minalas ka pa ng konti baka napirata pa yung handler mo..

[RENEGADE]

What about setting up a system on " Made to order Fightingcocks". We are thingking about selling ready for derby fighting cocks.
The idea is to sell conditioned and ready to fight fighting cocks. Just for example you have a derby to fight next month, you can inform us and order the number of birds that you will need for that derby including the reserves. We will condition the birds for you and you will pay and pick up the birds prior to your fighting day. All you need to do is point the birds prior to the fight. Since we have our own Gaffer in the farm we will give you the option to use our handler/Gaffer during your fight.That way you can be sure that the guy that conditioned and got your birds ready knows every aspects of your birds.
We are planning to start this idea starting this coming August during the start of the Stag derbies. Anyone interested can contact us at 09154066960 or at imcgamefarm@yahoo.com
magandang idea ito pare...katunayan nyan marami ng gumagawa nyan sa amin...yung iba naman babayaran na sa iyo ang manok bago kunin para wala ng problema ang finacier sa iyo. ang sa akin lang dapat marami kang manok at mahusay sa alaga at sigurado maraming buyer ang lalapit sayo...post mo mga manok pre baka kukuha ako kung makukursunadahan ko:)

[BANDERADO]

....daming gimmicks dyan..... kung me kasamang "tseke" yung premyo? cno kaya mag volunteer? heheh :confused:

[IMC Gamefarm]

Salamat po sa lahat ng mga kuro kuro its nice to hear everybody's side of this idea. I spoke about this plan with my handler and my farm manager and they both agreed na lamang talaga ang buyers dito sa idea na to. My handler/gaffer has been on many big time derbies beeing handler/gaffer for many big timecockers like Jun Cumeta, Butch Macasaet and others so I am sure that his pointing process should be the same if not close to other handlers.
I developed this idea because I know a lot of people just buy their birds before the derbies and they dont know if the birds are ready or not. They just trust the name of the breeders that they get their fowls. For me they are just wasting their hard earned money just for the love of fighting birds.
I fight derbies too but I cant fight all of them thats why I am sharing my birds. This is the best way you'll make friends and enjoy the sport.
As for my handler/gaffer is concerned, he's been there already. He's beaten a lot of big time cockers and been offered to be pirated but his integrity is strong for IMC because he's one of our team's backbone. He's one of the guys that built IMC.

[hampaslupa]

Salamat po sa lahat ng mga kuro kuro its nice to hear everybody's side of this idea. I spoke about this plan with my handler and my farm manager and they both agreed na lamang talaga ang buyers dito sa idea na to. My handler/gaffer has been on many big time derbies beeing handler/gaffer for many big timecockers like Jun Cumeta, Butch Macasaet and others so I am sure that his pointing process should be the same if not close to other handlers.
I developed this idea because I know a lot of people just buy their birds before the derbies and they dont know if the birds are ready or not. They just trust the name of the breeders that they get their fowls. For me they are just wasting their hard earned money just for the love of fighting birds.
I fight derbies too but I cant fight all of them thats why I am sharing my birds. This is the best way you'll make friends and enjoy the sport.
As for my handler/gaffer is concerned, he's been there already. He's beaten a lot of big time cockers and been offered to be pirated but his integrity is strong for IMC because he's one of our team's backbone. He's one of the guys that built IMC.

gud luck then imc!! wish all the best for our endeavor...

[g-ayo]

Its d same as getting your birds financed for a derby..ganun ang set-up..maganda yang idea mong yang dahil wala na masyadong iintindihin yung magfifinance at pupusta nlang kung baga..this will work well kung trusted nyo ang isat-isa..iba-iba kasi ang tao,minsan may mahirap kausap pagdating ng oras eh nagbabago ang isip ng walang pakialam sa pinangakuan..konteng ingat lang sa pakikipag transact sa di mo pa kilalang tao..yan ang risk jan sir IMC..goodluck:)

[katekate]

2 Yrs Ago I Went To Pinas For A Vacation And My Cocker Friend From Illinois Recommended This Guy Who Has A Farm In Batangas.this Is The Deal 1 Bullstag For P7,000.00 Then He Will Charge You P2,000.00 For Conditioning Plus Pointing And He Will Bring The Ready Cock On Derby Day And Stays With You For The Duration Of The 3 Cock Derby. He Wont Get Any % Of The Winning Just Pay Him 9k For Each Cock.he Has Lots Of Cocks To Choose From.he Lives In Q.c.
Sir Try Your Business With The Balikbayans And Ofws Thru Good Recommendations.check The Details And Post It Here Who Knows People Will Buy Your Ideas.good Luck.....

[marcusrn]

very valid ang points ni hampaslupa, paano kung yung farm na may kumpromiso sa dalawang financier ay sabay ang derby? o kung malayo ang derby, paano ang manok na maiiwan sa farm? ang sagot dito ay hindi madali, ang kailangan mo siguro ay dagdag na farm hands na medyo pare-parehas ang level ng experience.

but from my side na mag-finance,
make sure na maaga pa lang maki-pag-arrange ka na para at least makapag-prepare sila kung kailangan ng ibang personnel o hindi.
pangalawa, warn them of your actual plans like ' i may need 15 roosters, 8 for 2 derbies and 7 for possible hacks kung hindi naubos sa derby ang puhunan'. kung hindi papayag sa hindi siguradong hack, at least you both know. walang sorpresa, walang sayang na pagod kung sakali.
third, ayaw kong i-point ang hindi ko kinondisyon. the difference of the feed alone will give you problems and when you are fielding an entry you want to win. pero pati eto napag-uusapan, kung hindi pwede sa farm A (dahil my kumpromiso na), di i-try mo sa farm B kung pwede.
like everything else, shop around and when you find what you want or like stick with it. iwasan lang ang manloko ng kapwa. hindi yung mag-paready ka ng 20 na manok tapos may nag-offer ng mas mura eh kalimutan mo na ang pagod ng unang ka-deal mo. pinaka-importante, you gain friends kung hindi ka manloloko and friends tend to protect THEIR friends (by providing probably their aces).

[hampaslupa]

kadalasan pa nito sir imc, ganito ang diskarte ng mga financers na yan...pupunta sa manukan mo the month before the derby..ibibitaw lahat ng manok mo at pipiliin nya yung manok na gusto nyang ipasok sa isang derby...pag nakapili na sya, may darating ulit na financer magpapabitaw ng manok ulit sa iyo para ulit sa isang derby..syempre ung pili ni financer A na mga manok ay hindi mo puwedeng ibitaw dahil baka magustuhan magkaproblema ka kay financer A..syempre liliit ng liliit yung mapagpipiliang manok ng mga nalate mong umoorder ng panlaban sa iyo bukod pa yung sarili mong entry sa derby...mahina ang 500 heads mong manok na produce para masatisfy mo ang ganyang negosyo brod..

[blacksmith]

Ang Isa Sa Big Time Na Nag "sell Ready To Fight Roosters" Ay Si Boy Lechon,at Marami Pang Iba. Ginagawa Naman Ito, Ang Alam Ko Pati Yata Si Boy L, Nagpapadala Din Ng Pusta.mas Maganda Ang Ganun,kum Baga Nilalaban Niya Na Rin Kaya Lang Nababayaran Pa Siya Sa Manok,business Di Ba? Kung Ikaw Ang Bibili Ng Ganito,magtitiwala Ka Talaga, Si Boy L,pa.

Kumusta Pareng Hampas?

Peace Man! Peace!

Let Us Reconcncile For The Good Of The Net.

I'm Offeering It Sincerely From The Bottom Of My Heart.

Let Us Be Human.

Thanks.

[gamecock96]

Tama ang sabi ni Blacksmith na marami sa mga bigtime ay ganyan ang gawain kasi ayaw na nila ng finance. Mas preferred nila na bentahan na kagad pero payag sila na sila na rin maghahanda for a fee plus yung usual gastos sa transpo, food etc. etc. Di na bago yan dito sa PInas. Dami gumagawa nyan. Si BL, palagi marami nakahanda yan. Isang tawag lang eh may manok kagad na pwede ipadala yan sa mga financiers. Syempre ang mga nagtitiwala ng ganun eh yung mga kakilala na rin sya at yung ugali nya.

Al

[hampaslupa]

Ang Isa Sa Big Time Na Nag "sell Ready To Fight Roosters" Ay Si Boy Lechon,at Marami Pang Iba. Ginagawa Naman Ito, Ang Alam Ko Pati Yata Si Boy L, Nagpapadala Din Ng Pusta.mas Maganda Ang Ganun,kum Baga Nilalaban Niya Na Rin Kaya Lang Nababayaran Pa Siya Sa Manok,business Di Ba? Kung Ikaw Ang Bibili Ng Ganito,magtitiwala Ka Talaga, Si Boy L,pa.

Kumusta Pareng Hampas?

Peace Man! Peace!

Let Us Reconcncile For The Good Of The Net.

I'm Offeering It Sincerely From The Bottom Of My Heart.

Let Us Be Human.

Thanks.

pare peace din!! salamat naman!! pasensya na at kung minsan medyo sarcastic ako pero kc pakwela lang pag sumagot ako kaya medyo pabalang..masyado kcng dull ang usapan pag walang kulay... akala ko inaantay mo ako sa cainta para barilin eh..hehehehe!! i hate guns men!! mismong ako sa bahay ay wala akong baril...at ayokong magkarun nun sa bahay para makaiwas aksidente sa 2 kong anak na lalaki..but i'm glad truce na tayo!!:)

about the topic, so you see imc gamefarm...puwede yung iniisip mo kaya lang kailangan mong magparami as in magparami ng mga panlaban dahil nga sa kadahilanang ang mga likes nila boy lechon ay libo ang manok na pinagpipilian kaya can afford sila sa mga ganyang ready to fight na mga manok pambenta... hindi po sa minamaliit ko yung kakayahan ninyo pero i'm giving you all the consequences na maaaring mangyari..marami pong salamat..

[dyamin]

Malaking responsibilidad yan, una iniexpect ng bibili sa yo ng manok maging champion sya sa derby na sasalian, pag hindi ikaw pa sisisishin.

[IMC Gamefarm]

Talaga pong marami talagang pag iisipan sa planong to. Napag usapan na namin sa boong farm to bali balitaktakan kami doon all in favor na mas pabor sa mga buyers ang planong ito.
Tungkol doon sa selection. once nakapili na po ang buyer at nasa kanya na ang lista ng wing band numbers his bird will be set aside po during other costumer's selection.
About the number of birds our breeding area can produce up to 1000 birds per season easily and we have a new cord area that can accomodate that number of birds too.
If this idea come to reality we may start producing more. At the moment we have produced 300 well selected stags this breeding season of which will just be for our personal use. If many people will like this idea we will start with the 2008 Stag derby season.
Right now we have just found a new area for our satelite sit in Leyte where we will be housing at least 500 birds. Closer to the fights in the Visayan areas.

[marcusrn]

wishing you the best, man.

[IMC Gamefarm]

thanks dude

[marcusrn]

just a point on selection, sometimes mas reliable pa ang salita ng farm owner/manager kaysa sarili mong mata dahil kabisadong kabisado nila lahat ng manok nila. kaya do not discount ang suggestions nila.

[IMC Gamefarm]

tama ka po doon kaya nga ako hindi ako nakikialam sa farm ko pampagulo lang ako doon mas may alam sila kesa sa akin kaya ko nga sila kinuha para sa team kasi mas malawak ang experience nila sakin pero lahat naman po pinag uusapan namin bago mag decide.

[jagfan83]

si boy lechon hindi mahilig mamusta. minsan nakikita ko yan kung may isasabay man na pusta is 1.1k or 2.2k lang. then pag nagtravesia mga tig 500 pesos lang. ang pera talaga niya na kinikita ay hindi sa pusta but sa manok na binebenta niya (12k) ang selling price niya.... madami ang namimili ng manok sa kanya at marami siya financier but marami cya kinukunan na breeder sa bacolod.... kaya tumagal cya sa sabong dahil sa mahina pumusta pero malaki ang kita sa pagbebenta ng manok.... soft spoken and mabait na tao si boy lechon hes an asset to our sport... biggest financier niya cguro ay si louie cua (LCC entry)

[jundizon]

happy bday sir gamecock96!!! more bdays to come!!!

[Madheel]

tama ka po doon kaya nga ako hindi ako nakikialam sa farm ko pampagulo lang ako doon mas may alam sila kesa sa akin kaya ko nga sila kinuha para sa team kasi mas malawak ang experience nila sakin pero lahat naman po pinag uusapan namin bago mag decide.


I wish you all the best for your plan!...

[blacksmith]

May you have many many more birthdays to come, sir gamecock96, saiyo ang pulutan, sa iyo ang inumin at sa iyo na rin ang chicks, he he he jooooke

[marcusrn]

makibati na rin ng hapi b-day. hapi b-day gamecock96 ! mag-2:00 am dito, may mga kasama pa akong gising.

[gamecock96]

Salamat sa mga bumati. Eto at ngayon lang naka reply at nagpapagaling pa. Na sobrahan yata sa gimmick.

Al

[cccforevergold]

It will be a matter of trust, ang magpaprepara ng manok ay talaga tiwalaan. Kaya ka nagpaprepara sa handler mo at nagpatare sa mananare mo ay dahil sa tiwala ka sa kanila. Ang magpaprepara pa sa di mo tauhan kaya? But once na establish na ito ay mas madali na, marami ang gumagawa ng ganyan and others who wants to fight but dont have the necessary facilities ay naghahanap talaga ganyan.

[IMC Gamefarm]

nakikita ko kasi na maraming mga sabungero na kung saan saan naghahanap ng panlaban sa derby lalo na yong mga seaman gaya ko na gustong magsabong pag uwi. Pag kakuha nila sa manok di nila sure kung kundisyon na ba ang manok saka kumpormiso na silang ilaban dahil gahol na sa oras kaya karamihan talodahil di nakahanda ang manok. Dito sa idea na to sigurado silang condisyon ang mga manok na ilalaban nila.

[jlbs72]

karamihan ng mga bumibili sa akin ng manok ay seaman. kadalasan nilang kinukuha sa akin ay yng mga nanalo sa stag derby. may sugat man o wala. para daw next year na baba nila ay nakalugon na at pwede ng pustahan. pero dahil sandali lang sa bansa, hindi din nila maiwasan ialban agad lalo na pag madalas nila nakikita yung bitaw, hehehe...