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gilvyn
May 26th, 2008, 10:47 AM
Doc tjt,

How about to use Methycobal which is manufactured by Eisai from Japan.
What is the effect to our fighting cocks?
What is the dosage of this drugs?
Is 0.3cc enough during each dosage?

I found that this drug is very expensive in the Phils. One ampoule of 1cc will cost us about 250php. (Maybe sharks in the Phils. don't want only a small profit)

In other countries which they import from Japan is a way lot cheaper and it cost only around 80~100php for every 1cc. of ampoule.

r$y
May 26th, 2008, 11:08 AM
Doc tjt,

How about to use Methycobal which is manufactured by Eisai from Japan.
What is the effect to our fighting cocks?
What is the dosage of this drugs?
Is 0.3cc enough during each dosage?

I found that this drug is very expensive in the Phils. One ampoule of 1cc will cost us about 250php. (Maybe sharks in the Phils. don't want only a small profit)

In other countries which they import from Japan is a way lot cheaper and it cost only around 80~100php for every 1cc. of ampoule.
kasi tayong mga pilipino bastat para sa manok kahit mahal binibili kaya tinataasan ang presyo ng mga kulokoy. kaya mas maganda sa labas ng pinas na lang bumili ng gamot d pa pirated, sa ibang poultry supplies o laboratories pinipirata na rin ang mga gamot ng manok d kasi nagrereklamo tong mga manok natin.:confused:

jaz101678
June 7th, 2008, 02:15 PM
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..

sunblade68
June 8th, 2008, 06:19 AM
pre ,kumusta asa ka gapalit ug b12 tag pila pud.

jaz101678
June 8th, 2008, 09:18 AM
Ok lng pre..musta d i? Naka uli kana dri pinas? Mercury ko gapalit pre..251/ampoule. Asa man ka karon?

bokya
June 26th, 2008, 10:21 AM
this is the alternative of rubramin and crystalline cyanocobalamin as stated by doc TJT
Doc tjt,

How about to use Methycobal which is manufactured by Eisai from Japan.
What is the effect to our fighting cocks?
What is the dosage of this drugs?
Is 0.3cc enough during each dosage?

I found that this drug is very expensive in the Phils. One ampoule of 1cc will cost us about 250php. (Maybe sharks in the Phils. don't want only a small profit)

In other countries which they import from Japan is a way lot cheaper and it cost only around 80~100php for every 1cc. of ampoule.

extremes_20s
October 22nd, 2008, 01:54 PM
up natin ito......
dosage and administration nito.....?

ALAB 1223
October 23rd, 2008, 03:36 AM
this is the alternative of rubramin and crystalline cyanocobalamin as stated by doc TJT


ano bang composition nitong methycobal?

alexanderich
October 24th, 2008, 11:45 AM
up..up
since, it's hard to find b12 as recommended by experts, can any one share d dosage and administration of this.

chegamefowls
November 19th, 2008, 09:10 AM
up natin ito......
dosage and administration nito.....?
Attn; doc tjt.

jack_kie
November 19th, 2008, 09:44 AM
Attn; doc tjt.

.10 ml / kg body weight :p

chegamefowls
November 19th, 2008, 09:52 AM
.10 ml / kg body weight :p
thanks alot sir jack_kie:)

TAURUS5172
November 23rd, 2008, 12:13 AM
IS THIS KIND OF COMPOSITION OF B-12 CAN BE USE FOR FIGHTING COCK? cyanocobalamine.......0,100g-------alcool benzylique.....1ml-----excipient......Q.S.P.100mL .........IT WAS B-12 MADE IN FRANCE....

alexanderich
November 24th, 2008, 10:09 AM
Sir Bokya, is this really a substitute for rubramin as the good doctor recomended, tnx.

basyo
November 29th, 2008, 02:31 PM
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..


ilang cc ang laman ng ampule sir.

lanipao
December 1st, 2008, 12:29 AM
ilang cc ang laman ng ampule sir.

1 cc ang isang ampule.

lakdawbuwan
December 3rd, 2008, 10:07 PM
kung me kakilala kayong nagtatrabaho dito sa taiwan, dito kayo pabili ng methylcobal. 2 klase yong nabibili dito, parehong made in japan, yong 1 pumapatak na 72 pesos lang per ampule (1 cc ) yong another brand 117 pesos per ampule.

hotshot
December 4th, 2008, 07:31 AM
up ko lang mga kasabong

GADO
December 9th, 2008, 09:30 AM
Good day Dr.TJT,
Can you give your opinion on the best dosage of Methycobal and it's schedule of application.
Thanks and regards

Originally Posted by jaz101678
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..

Originally Posted by jack_kie
.10 ml / kg body weight http://sabong.net.ph/forum/images/UbbNonCgi/smilies/tongue.gif

GADO
December 10th, 2008, 02:11 PM
Good day Dr.TJT,
Can you give your opinion on the best dosage of Methycobal and it's schedule of application.
Thanks and regards

Originally Posted by jaz101678
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..

Originally Posted by jack_kie
.10 ml / kg body weight http://sabong.net.ph/forum/images/UbbNonCgi/smilies/tongue.gif

i'll up it so that our good doc may see........

nensky
December 10th, 2008, 06:28 PM
pwde b ung methycobal in tablet form?...

GADO
December 11th, 2008, 10:12 AM
pwde b ung methycobal in tablet form?...

you can use methycobal tab, but application thru injection (IM) is more efficient.

MaxFly
December 17th, 2008, 12:08 PM
Panyeros,

Gamit ko 1000mg methycobalamine tablet. OK ba ito?:cool:

Sureball
December 17th, 2008, 07:07 PM
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..
pare kamusta na ...................

jaz101678
December 17th, 2008, 07:18 PM
pare kamusta na ...................

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Eto busy na, breeding season na naman kasi...Musta ang mga fights natin?

GADO
December 27th, 2008, 12:07 PM
Good day Dr.TJT,
Can you give your opinion on the best dosage of Methycobal and it's schedule of application.
Thanks and regards

Originally Posted by jaz101678
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..

Originally Posted by jack_kie
.10 ml / kg body weight http://sabong.net.ph/forum/images/UbbNonCgi/smilies/tongue.gif


Up ko lang uli.Belated Christmas greetings to all!

GADO
January 6th, 2009, 10:10 AM
Good day Dr.TJT,
Can you give your opinion on the best dosage of Methycobal and it's schedule of application.
Thanks and regards

Originally Posted by jaz101678
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..

Originally Posted by jack_kie
.10 ml / kg body weight http://sabong.net.ph/forum/images/UbbNonCgi/smilies/tongue.gif

up...........................

pogipoint
January 7th, 2009, 06:48 AM
Cyanocobalamine vs methylcobalamine

ANSWER: Cyanocobalamin is the most commonly supplemented form of vitamin B12, but you might be surprised to discover that this form of vitamin B12 does not actually occur in plants or animal tissues. In other words, outside of the chemically synthesized cyanocobalamin that you encounter as B12 in most vitamin supplements, you would be extremely hard pressed to find this compound in nature (in fact you would not be able to find it). As the name implies, cyanocobalamin contains a cyanide molecule. Most people are familiar with cyanide as a poisonous substance. Although the amount of cyanide in a normal B12 supplement is small and from a toxicology point, viewed as insignificant, your body will still need to remove and eliminate this compound. This removal is accomplished through your detoxification systems with substances like glutathione being very important for the elimination of the cyanide.

Compared with cyanocobalamin, it appears that methylcobalamin is better absorbed and retained in higher amounts within your tissues. In simple terms, they are used much more effectively. In general, methylcobalamin is used primarily in your liver, brain and nervous system.

Methylcobalamin is the specific form of B12 needed for nervous system health. Because of this it should be the first form of this vitamin thought of when interested in attempting to optimize the health of the nervous system with vitamin supplementation. Indications of a potential deficiency of B12 in the nervous system might include numbness, tingling, loss of feeling sensation, burning sensations, muscle cramps, nerve pain and slowness of reflexes.

Because of methylcobalamin's importance in nervous system health, it is also an important nutrient for vision. In fact, continued visual work (like work on a computer) often leads to a reduction in something called "visual accommodation". Methylcobalamin can significantly improve visual accommodation, while cyanocobalamin appears to be ineffective.

An elevated level of homocysteine is a metabolic indication of decreased levels of the coenzyme forms of vitamin B12, especially methylcobalamin. Homocysteine has received a tremendous amount of emphasis in the scientific literature because of its associations with heart disease and a variety of other specific health conditions. I have even seen advertisements on television promoting folic acid, as a vitamin needed to lower homocysteine. While this is true, and folic acid does lower homocysteine levels, the combination of methylcobalamin and folic acid appears to work much better.

The most well studied use of methylcobalamin has to do with sleep. Although the exact mechanism of action is not yet clear, it is possible that methylcobalamin is needed for the synthesis of melatonin. Available information indicates that methylcobalamin can modulate melatonin secretion, enhance light-sensitivity, and normalize circadian rhythm (your 24-hour clock). Because of this, individuals supplementing this form of B12 often have improved quality of sleep, often will require slightly less sleep, and will not uncommonly report that they feel a bit more refreshed when waking in the morning. Methylcobalamin is particularly effective when your 24-hour clock is not running smoothly. This may be indicated by a need for excessive sleep, changing sleep-wake cycles, or a tendency to have altered sleep wake patterns. As examples, you might require 10-12 hours of sleep, or you might not feel tired until 2-3 am and you might wake at noon, or you might find that you wake a bit later every day and go to be a bit later every night. Under all of these circumstances the combination of methylcobalamin (about 3000 mcg daily) and exposure to bright light in the morning can help reestablish your 24-hour clock.

Because of methylcobalamin's impact on 24-hour clock and the cycles that feed of this, it is also an important vitamin to regulate your 24-hour release of the stress hormone cortisol. This seems to be particularly important for blood types A and AB. Methylcobalamin also seems to result in a better 24-hour maintenance of body temperature. Typically individuals supplementing this coenzyme form of B12 have higher temperatures in the later hours of the daytime. This usually corresponds with improved alertness at the same time of the day. While this can be of importance to all blood types, low body temperatures seems to be an area of greater challenge for A's and B's.



This entry was posted on January 16th, 2004 at 07:51:00 am and is filed under Questions 2000-2006.

noliTABUK
January 9th, 2009, 04:05 PM
thanks for the good information!

GADO
January 10th, 2009, 08:15 AM
Good day Dr.TJT,
Can you give your opinion on the best dosage of Methycobal and it's schedule of application.
Thanks and regards

Originally Posted by jaz101678
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..

Originally Posted by jack_kie
.10 ml / kg body weight http://sabong.net.ph/forum/images/UbbNonCgi/smilies/tongue.gif

Good day to all.Hope the good Doc. gives his opinion/reply.Thanks

MLGFmico
January 10th, 2009, 08:51 AM
everybody knows the secret...hehhe...thanks for being honest bro..gudluck poh...

bokya
January 11th, 2009, 07:04 PM
mecobalamin
ano bang composition nitong methycobal?

vanjoe
January 11th, 2009, 07:25 PM
How many MCG per 1ml? Is it like Neurobiron

GADO
January 14th, 2009, 11:31 AM
How many MCG per 1ml? Is it like Neurobiron
methycobal inj - 500 mcg/ml @ 1 ml per ampoule

gilvyn
February 4th, 2009, 09:12 AM
Guys;

Please refer to this link for the details of Methycobal ampoule. Price is also indicated
http://www.mims.com/Page.aspx?menuid=mng&name=Methycobal+amp&h=methycobal

gilvyn
February 4th, 2009, 09:14 AM
Guys;

Please refer to this link for the details of Methycobal ampoule. Price is also indicated
http://www.mims.com/Page.aspx?menuid=mng&name=Methycobal+amp&h=methycobal

For Philippines, Check how much is the Price Difference (hehehe)

http://www.mims.com/Page.aspx?menuid=mng&name=Methycobal+amp&h=methycobal&CTRY=PH

GADO
February 4th, 2009, 10:04 AM
Good day Dr.TJT,
Can you give your opinion on the best dosage of Methycobal and it's schedule of application.
Thanks and regards

Originally Posted by jaz101678
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..

Originally Posted by jack_kie
.10 ml / kg body weight http://sabong.net.ph/forum/images/UbbNonCgi/smilies/tongue.gif


Good day to all.I hope our good doc.TJT, gives his opinion on the recommended dosage.

GADO
February 7th, 2009, 10:56 AM
Originally Posted by GADO
Good day Dr.TJT,
Can you give your opinion on the best dosage of Methycobal and it's schedule of application.
Thanks and regards

Originally Posted by jaz101678
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..

Originally Posted by jack_kie
.10 ml / kg body weight http://sabong.net.ph/forum/images/Ub...ies/tongue.gif (http://sabong.net.ph/forum/images/UbbNonCgi/smilies/tongue.gif)


Good day to all.I hope our good doc.TJT, gives his opinion on the recommended dosage.

alexanderich
February 10th, 2009, 09:01 AM
up...up..upppppp

TAURUS5172
February 12th, 2009, 03:13 PM
everybody knows the secret...hehhe...thanks for being honest bro..gudluck poh...

GADO
February 23rd, 2009, 11:26 AM
Originally Posted by GADO
Good day Dr.TJT,
Can you give your opinion on the best dosage of Methycobal and it's schedule of application.
Thanks and regards

Originally Posted by jaz101678
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..

Originally Posted by jack_kie
.10 ml / kg body weight http://sabong.net.ph/forum/images/Ub...ies/tongue.gif (http://sabong.net.ph/forum/images/UbbNonCgi/smilies/tongue.gif)


Good day to all.I hope our good doc.TJT, gives his opinion on the recommended dosage.
up ...........................

redjungle
February 16th, 2010, 08:23 PM
update , it is now sold for Php 305 per ampoule 1cc at mercury drug store, for those interested i got a limited stocks from a friend, i can sell it for a lower price, just pm me, quezon city area only.

TAICHUNG
February 16th, 2010, 09:59 PM
everybody knows the secret...hehhe...thanks for being honest bro..gudluck poh...

nesch_2311
February 16th, 2010, 11:47 PM
mga kasabong testing lang po gusto ko lang malaman kung magkano pwede e inject sa cck at stag cyanocobalamyn injectable usp 1000mcg/2ml

pd&pc
February 17th, 2010, 11:21 AM
Thats wat Im using in my 21 day keep..Maganda talaga ang galaw ng manok. Expensive pero sulit. U can but it at mercury drug store.. The right dosage is .5 cc..


Kailan po ang last inject nyo sa 21day keep? salamat

silversurfer94
February 25th, 2010, 02:34 AM
Kailan po ang last inject nyo sa 21day keep? salamat


LAST INJECT WILL BE ON THE 17TH DAY

GADO
March 3rd, 2010, 08:36 AM
Kailan po ang last inject nyo sa 21day keep? salamat


Re: Methycobal



I consider ( Doc TJT ) Methycobal ampoule the best alternative drug to Cyanocobalamin (American Regent).
It is given on Day 1- Day4- Day7-Day11 & Day17 (last shot). It is best administered (0.5cc) during night time (PM).



A detailed medication chart is written on page 26 of my book "On Gamecock Conditioning". Taken from Dr.TJT 's post.Hope makatulong.

redjungle
April 16th, 2010, 03:08 AM
Re: Methycobal

I consider ( Doc TJT ) Methycobal ampoule the best alternative drug to Cyanocobalamin (American Regent).
It is given on Day 1- Day4- Day7-Day11 & Day17 (last shot). It is best administered (0.5cc) during night time (PM).

A detailed medication chart is written on page 26 of my book "On Gamecock Conditioning". Taken from Dr.TJT 's post.Hope makatulong.


thanks for quoting,

fastestkill
April 16th, 2010, 07:10 AM
wla ba problema kung sunod-sunod ang injik ng manok? kasi napansin ko day 1 at day 4 masyado yatang dikit ang pitsa na yan sir? just asking

jio_bugoy
April 16th, 2010, 11:43 AM
mukhang maayos to a. wala na pala yung rubramin ni doc tjt?
yung manual on conditioning ko kasi luma na.

jun parana
April 16th, 2010, 12:42 PM
I use 1 tab of Methycobal in the morning of fight day and anabolic steroid 5hrs before fight and it works for me derby or hackfight

BantonSpur
April 20th, 2010, 12:58 PM
Cockmates,


If it is true that Methecobal from Esai costs 301 pesos per ampule and an ampule only contains 1 cc, this means that the cost of the 5 doses per cock in the 21-day conditioning regimen is a wooping 900 pesos! Don't you think that is too much for a B12 supplementation alone for 1 bird?


Would it interest you if I offer you an alternative that is at least equally effective but would only cost you 24 pesos per cock for the entire 21-conditioning?


First some facts about B12 and the B Complex vitamins: Cyanocobalamin is the most air-stable of the B12 vitamins. It is also the easiest to crystalize and therefore the easiest to purify after it is produced by bacterial fermentation. A form of B12 called hydroxocobalamin is produced by bacteria and then changed to cyanocobalamin in the process of being purified in activated charcoal columns after being separated from the bacterial cultures. Cyanide is naturally present in charcoal and hydroxocobalamin, which has affinity for cyanide, picks it up and is changed to cyanocobalamin. This is perhaps the reason for the competitive price of cyanocobalamin and why this form of B12 is the most widely used form in the food industry.


Animals and humans can convert cyanocobalamin to active forms of the vitamin such as methylcobalamin. This process happens by equilibration, as cyanocobalamin slowly loses its cyanide in the sorroundings that contains no cyanide. The amount of cyanide by the way, in toxicology terms, is insignificant.


With the facts stated above, is the extra amount we have to pay for Methycobal worth it? Please remember the disparity in prices. Will using it give us additional benefits over the use of cyanocobalamin?


I personally prefer to use B Complex vitamins instead of plain B12. I know that the B1, B6 and B12 work in synergy in the metabolism of carbohydrates, fats and proteins. This is the reason why birds supplemented with B Complex have good appitite, good body mass and are relatively more powerful and durable. They are also considered neurotropic vitamins, meaning tonic for the nervous system, that is why fowls usually move better, more alert and with sharper reflexes.

Just my thoughts...


BantonSpur

panisijan
May 4th, 2010, 12:26 AM
methycobal ampoule
day4 day8 day12 last shot day17..with wheat germ oil capsul & cod liver oil capsul



wla ba problema kung sunod-sunod ang injik ng manok? kasi napansin ko day 1 at day 4 masyado yatang dikit ang pitsa na yan sir? just asking

alexanderich
May 4th, 2010, 10:04 AM
BantonSpur

Thank you sir, very informative but if you don't mind please share us what is the dosage and administration of B-Complex for the entire 21 days conditioning, thanks in advance sir.

BantonSpur
May 7th, 2010, 03:46 PM
BantonSpur


Thank you sir, very informative but if you don't mind please share us what is the dosage and administration of B-Complex for the entire 21 days conditioning, thanks in advance sir.



Sir Alexanderich,

I do not want to mention any brand as I may sound advertising here but if you want to know my practice, please PM me.

BantonSpur

alexanderich
May 8th, 2010, 04:43 PM
I do not want to mention any brand as I may sound advertising here but if you want to know my practice, please PM me.

BantonSpur


Sir PM sent, Thank You..:)

e4alnied
August 8th, 2010, 09:52 AM
Methycobal is tjt's alternative medication for the keep...see page 26-B for more info...:)

rjbaleno
August 15th, 2010, 10:33 AM
Gud day sir banton spur pwde po bng malman kng an0 po ang gmit m0ng b-c0mplex kng ilan po ang d0sage and administrati0n nito. Pwd po bng mlaman 21 days medicati0n m0. Bago lng po kc aq h0pe u can help me. E2 po email ad q
rjet_16@yahoo.com
G0dbless po.

wolfluise
August 19th, 2010, 04:05 AM
thanks alot sir jack_kie:)
lepanto cockers club???? men saan mo nakuha nyan .. asa ka pa

pogipoint
June 8th, 2011, 05:47 AM
Cost is not an issue when it comes to giving proper vitamins to our birds, especially if you are going to bet a reasonable amount of money.

There is a reason why Methylcobalamin is more costly than Cyanocobalamine.

I believe one of the main reason is absoption. Methylcobalamine is readily absorbed while Cyanocobalamine go through a procress before fully absorbed by the body.

Just last week I told a friend of mine to use Methylcobalamine. He bought 6 ampoule at Php 300 plus per ampoule..He fought 4.

He scored 3 wins and 1 loss..not bad...