Terrorists Attacks

[Kidd Sentencia]

Okay, to pay for the thread that I probably "closed"...here's one where we can post our analysis, suggestions, knowledge, news, opinion, history, etc. on the "suspects" to the latest horrible attacks in the US.

Let me start...these suicide bombers are "made." Brainwashed from the start, using the religion of Islam. That's a fact; we know the term Jihad or Holy War, or Mujahadeen. These killers, believing they're doing something in the name of God, will kill innocent people, which may not be innocent for them. Their mind or belief, having been brainwashed, is the other way around in as far as victims are concerned. Is that it, brainwashed? Or the hate was planted in their head...yes, hate...to hate this and to do every thing to hurt this. In this case, the "this" is the USA. Why the USA? Because of Israel...yes, we know that...history does not hide anything in that part.

To those who practice Islam, what they call the true Islam, killing innocent people is not theirs. But how could these killers find refuge or justice to their "mission" thru the religion? These terrorists uses or invoke Islam whenever they conduct such horrible acts. Now, with that mentioned, is it right to refer to the religion of Islam as terrorists makers? I say no, but how come these terrorists are avowed muslims, whereas Islam does not promote such killings. Interpretation? They have different interpretation of Islam? That's what baffles me...what makes them think or believe differently in the same religion. It must be hate, masquerading as vengeance.

Some comaparison with the *** against us cockfighters...hehehe.

Kidd

[GoldenDragon]

How many more must die in the name of religion...???

if you go down to history its been that way for a long long time.... when will it end?

New York is the main state of the jews so that is where this vicious attack was made.

seeing the twin towers crumbling that way , must have humbled a lot of americans.
seeing that building crumbling that way...made the states looked so vulnerable and helpless... seeing those people falling
from the building must have made a lot of americans human...
this incident is so humbling....

again my sympathies to those who were the victims in the tragedy.

I wonder what the film makers of hollywood are thinking of
now... very much like the "independence day" film....

I am hoping that the US goverment will do somethings to appeace not only the spirit of the victims but also to appeace the hurt that is in the families of the victims.
to appeace the pain and anger that is in the heart of every peace loving people on earth.

for years after reading the predictions of nostradamos... been wondering who the anti-christ will be... Now there is even a name for him osama (O ang sama') bin laden....

[EAA Indians]

Edwin + NY Cyberfriends + relatives of Cyberfriends living in New York City.....we hope everybody are safe. Does anybody have any news about members, friends and families in NYC? Our hearts and prayers goes out to the injured and casualties and their families of this horrible terrorist attack.

[Kidd Sentencia]

This was emailed to me...it was written by a sensible Canadian, on one of their newspapers.

quote:

TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES

America: The Good Neighbor.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his
trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record:

"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth.

Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these
countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
technocracy, and you get automobiles.
You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again.

You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
old caboose. Both are still broke.

I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside
help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those."

Stand proud, America!

Wear it proudly!!

Unquote:

Kidd

[REB]

From all of us. Thanks Kid

[Kidd Sentencia]

The Taliban. They claim Osama has nothing to do with these attacks. But, they beg the US not to launch retaliatory attacks against their place (Afghanistan--don't know if this is a country for now). These Talibans smell like "fish"...for me, they just said they have Osama.

And look how they treat their women!

Pakistan, One of the two or three that recognized Taliban as a legitimate government, now said it will fully cooperate with the US...it's got to...whether it wants it or not. Cooperate? what kind of cooperation?...ala-hudas style!

Kidd

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[EAA Indians]

Did anybody hear from Edwin (tambak) yet that he and his family are ok? He is from Queens-Long Island, NY.

[Kidd Sentencia]

EI, yes...I just chatted with him last night. They're all okay. Plus, if you read our forum in the last couple of days, Whooper already answered your original (1st) question.

Cheers!
Kidd

[RCERADOY]

The US officially accusses O-ang-sama for
everything that happened here..
Parehas

[edwin]

Hello Cyberfriends,
Thank you very much guys for your e-mail and sorry at ngayon lang uli ako nakaupo since yesterday sa computer ko.
Mang Amboy,Astro,Whooper,Harimanok,Bukol
Mang EEA- i already mailed your AAHC-PAC
membership from Sharon,El Umbre,kalbo-ka.
Whose name was written on those ICBM's
1)o angsama obladin -oblada
2)ya sira arafat
3)saddam insane
4)abu sayyang-appetizer
Soon in newspaper front page "Where is Afghanistan".
tambak na naman

[RAPHAEL]

My prayers to all the victims of these horrendous act. To their families and friends may you find strength in this time of sorrow.

[JC]

That was a great article Kidd.

Thanks for sharing :)

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A momentary lapse of reason...
"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no miltary value."
- Ferdinand Foch, commander in chief of the Allied armies at the end of WW I

[EAA Indians]

Thank God the New York Area Cyberfriends and families are safe.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Saddam - financer
Pakistan - promoter (recognized Taliban)
Taliban - Handler
Other Symphatizers - mga trabesiyador na nakapusta sa kabila

vs.

NATO and the rest of the world.

tresyon! sugatan ang NATO/w...pero malayo sa kili-kili ang tama, eto na sha-shuffle na...hehehe.

Kidd

[Kidd Sentencia]

One more...I find these are the right things to post about this tragic event.

Quote:

By Leonard Pitts Jr. of the Miami Herald

We'll go forward from this moment

It's my job to have something to say.
They pay me to provide words that help make sense of that which troubles the American soul. But in this moment of airless shock when hot tears sting disbelieving eyes, the only thing I can find to say, the only words that seem to fit, must be addressed to the unknown author of this suffering.

You monster. You beast. You unspeakable bastard.

What lesson did you hope to teach us by your coward's attack on our World Trade Center, our Pentagon, us? What was it you hoped we would learn? Whatever it was, please know that you failed.

Did you want us to respect your cause? You just damned your cause.

Did you want to make us fear? You just steeled our resolve.

Did you want to tear us apart? You just brought us together.

Let me tell you about my people. We are a vast and quarrelsome family, a family rent by racial, social, political and class division, but a family nonetheless. We're frivolous, yes, capable of expending tremendous emotional energy on pop cultural minutiae -- a singer's revealing dress, a ball team's misfortune, a cartoon mouse. We're wealthy, too, spoiled by the ready availability of trinkets and material goods, and maybe because of that, we walk through life with a certain sense of blithe entitlement. We are fundamentally decent, though -- peace-loving and compassionate. We struggle to know the right thing and to do it. And we are, the overwhelming majority of us, people of faith, believers in a just and loving God.

Some people -- you, perhaps -- think that any or all of this makes us weak. You're mistaken. We are not weak. Indeed, we are strong in ways that cannot be measured by arsenals.

IN PAIN

Yes, we're in pain now. We are in mourning and we are in shock. We're still grappling with the unreality of the awful thing you did, still working to make ourselves understand that this isn't a special effect from some Hollywood blockbuster, isn't the plot development from a Tom Clancy novel. Both in terms of the awful scope of their ambition and the probable final death toll, your attacks are likely to go down as the worst acts of terrorism in the history of the United States and, probably, the history of the world. You've bloodied us as we have never been bloodied before.

But there's a gulf of difference between making us bloody and making us fall. This is the lesson Japan was taught to its bitter sorrow the last time anyone hit us this hard, the last time anyone brought us such abrupt and monumental pain. When roused, we are righteous in our outrage, terrible in our force. When provoked by this level of barbarism, we will bear any suffering, pay any cost, go to any length, in the pursuit of justice.

I tell you this without fear of contradiction. I know my people, as you, I think, do not. What I know reassures me. It also causes me to tremble with dread of the future.

In the days to come, there will be recrimination and accusation, fingers pointing to determine whose failure allowed this to happen and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. There will be heightened security, misguided talk of revoking basic freedoms. We'll go forward from this moment sobered, chastened, sad. But determined, too. Unimaginably determined.

THE STEEL IN US

You see, the steel in us is not always readily apparent. That aspect of our character is seldom understood by people who don't know us well. On this day, the family's bickering is put on hold. As Americans we will weep, as Americans we will mourn, and as Americans, we
will rise in defense of all that we cherish.

So I ask again: What was it you hoped to teach us? It occurs to me that maybe you just wanted us to know the depths of your hatred. If that's the case, consider the message received.

And take this message in exchange:
-You don't know my people.
-You don't know what we're capable of.
-You don't know what you just started.

But you're about to learn.

Unquote:

Kidd

[kasador]

let`s recall vietnam where they sent thousands of americans young men,thousands lost their lives in a war they necessarily didn`t understand and was not supported by the public majority of americans.americans did have the capacity to bomb the place back to stone age.eventually at the end they lost the long drag fight.just like all americans including all the races in this whole world,you could kill them physically but you can`t kill their own principles.actually what happened in wtc is a signal that says something about the conflict happening in middle east.conflict between palestinian and jews.it is actually jews problem but they drag america into this problem.the lands partly jordanien,syrian and egypt should be given back to have peace.if jews really want genuine peace then it`s time to give back those lands they got during the war in the 60`s.see palestinian fighting with stones and get knock off by missiles of jews.they decided that life is meaningless,stranegr into their own land.you see when a man has really nothing to lose in life and life hsa no meaning anymore they are prone into doing something bizzare.look for example in manila where jobless people leaving in shanties being force to steal and kill people to have some money to buy some food.

[Anobaito]

Kasador,
Puno ka ng galit sa hinde perfect na mundo. lol! Tuloy hinde ka na makakita ng tuwid!... Tama ka! at hinde rin ako mali. Sige ituloy natin. Hinde ko tinatanggi na tama rin ako.

Attitude kapit sa patalim parati ay mahirap makasama at tuluyan iwasan. Mahirap umanggat. Pati ikaw damay baka magalusan pag panay kapit sa double blade. At hinde matantya kung sino ang sunod na tamaan.

Neutral lang ang feelings ng tao. May matino na mayaman at mahirap. Maligaya, kuntento at iba pa. Tao lahat yan. Walang hinde tinatablan ng bala. Pantay pantay lahat ang tao sa kamatayan.

Pabor pa rin ako sa democracia favor for favor kesya eye for an eye. Mas may tyansa umanggat at mas umanggat pa.

Kahit muslim respects swift 'Justice. Iba ang gun for hire terrorist sa jihad. There is no turning back the tides. Kailangan ma line out lahat ng tao at kung puede na, maupo sa lamesa, hanggan sa wala guerra pa rin. 'Ewan ko ba kung bakit ang hirap mag salita sa tagalog ngayon. Next time siguro mas flexible.

Neutral rin ang sabong kung kanino ang mahusay na keep usually nakalalamang sa favor. May suerte at gift rin. Magastos lang nga ang mag-alaga at pag raise ng manok. Sabong pa rin tayo!

[GoldenDragon]

can't get away from sabong.com.ph for a long time...

I just hope that this time if the americans do go to war::: is that they finish it...

they didn't finish it in Korea... in Vietnam....
in the Gulf war,if they did this tragedy would not have happened.

the muslim nation thinks america is weak because of this unfinished business.

the philippines has its own share of muslims
if america go to war with the muslim nation I think it can mean that we will also have to prepare for war...

Indonesia and Malaysia is now starting to be fundamentalist muslims... will we fight our neighbors too ???

malaysia has an edge coz they've been preparing for war for years now,
and our goverments relationship with the malaysian goverment has been estranged for many years.

if the previous philippine goverments were not so corrupt and built our armed forces in the manner that malaysia has done, I would not be nervous.

the SHRIKES are back from siberia , winter must be coming...bleak is the future.
still cheers and mabuhay...

[yap]

what an excellent observation, goldendragon. we lost the korean and the vietnam war simply because we lost our will to win the ultimate victory. in korea, we could have win if we go after them all the way to china. in vietnam, we could have win if we have the guts to get into north vietnam, and if china intervenes, into china as well. my heart cries for our fallen korean, and especially, vietnam veterans.

[astro]

" censured and out of context"

Astro

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[silverado]

tayo'y mga pinoy,tayo'y hindi 'kano. huwag kang mahihiya kung ang ilong mo ay pango. mga kapwa pilipino huwag tayong ignorante.hindi tayo nagkaroon ng war sa korea o sa vietnam.ito ay guerra ng kano. siya nga pala meron isang aso daig pa ang ang **** siya'y ngumingiyaw hindi kumakahol katulad ng iba pa-ingles ingles pa, at kung pakikinggang mali mali naman[salamat HEBER].mahalin natin ang atin sarili.silverado[usa]

[JC]

Go get 'em!

http://jay-j.50megs.com/wtc.jpg

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A momentary lapse of reason...
"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no miltary value."
- Ferdinand Foch, commander in chief of the Allied armies at the end of WW I

[astro]

Kidd,

Are terrorists psycopaths, loner or simply political animals? What are the traits of a terrorists? They are young a boy or girl,usually disillusioned, indocrinated and brainwashed. What drive them to do such things? Some say because of money and other says because of martyrdom for the sake of their religion. So long as there are political animals in this planet, terrorism is here to stay, provided they are supported by logistic to do such job.Therefore, who is to be blamed, the Financier.

Astro

[GoodWings]

Kidd, I salute ur wisdom, you should send your resume to the CIA think tank, mas malaki tiyak ang sahod doon hehehe. Anyway, try to pre-con and mga birds dyan bigyan mo na ng B12 ang mga tomaHawks, malapit na ang laban.

JC, the man of many talents, I love the picture.

Princes, nice pick of a nick name for Oang sama.

Edwin, George C. and other Cyberfriends living in N.Y., I hope you guys are safe. My prayers for the victims and sympathy for the relatives of N.Y. Tragedy.

The headlines from different parts of the world including those of the Muslim countries show that they condemn the attack. I also believe that majority of the muslims are crying out loud to show their sympathy to the americans and what happened in New York was purely the acts of extremist terrorist muslims who actually DO NOT represent the islamic world.

I hope Cyberfriends' are united in condemning these people as mere terrorists not because they are muslims. May justice meet its end for the victims and I hope whatever U.S. intends to do, may lead to crack of doom on the part of the terrorists.

[EAA Indians]

JC...the picture is great!! It would have much better if you made the taller building with jagged edges for a better..........kill

[Pinolim]

It really is nice to read such diverse input from our fellow cockers. The anger is pretty obvious and the passion for vengeance seems uncontrollable but I wish we will be prudent enough think of the consequences of the havoc and the ravages of war. It is only the Taliban(anas) and O Sama that the U.S. wants and dropping bombs to Afganistan will not kill the intended target but the innocent civilians who are already suffered from the Russian occupation and now from the Taliban occupation. The Taliban are well entrenched in their holes in case of air attacks and the poor Afgan civilian are exposed.
War is cruel and I hope as much as possible it should be avoided. We have seen the ravages of Cambodia, Vietnam, Afganistan, Israel, Holocaust.
I am not anti-war but i hope we all think far and long and wide before going into one.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Thanks GW...eh di patatagalin mo na naman na marating ko ang full-sabong life ko; retired, nakataas ang paa under the mango tree, ice-cold SMB, with the gamecocks crowing everywhere...ahhhh, matagal pa, pero nandiyan din yan...hehehe.

Astro, you name your choice...they are it...they come in many colors, forms and shapes.

I agree with GW and that is the US' stand too...do not blame Islam for the tragedy.

But, halt...news today: US asks Islamic countries to stop "teaching" in their religious gatherings/prayers/sermons, portraying USA as the "bad" dude. There you go...that's where these terrorists got their first "brainwashing" to start with...most likely. Again, all winding way back to Israel-US relationship.

Pinolim, welcome to the board...glad you have nice-to-read inputs right away...stick around and do contribute more. The US have nothing to bomb in Afghanistan...well, maybe a couple of so...hehehe. It's been said that this (terrorism) is a disease...and the world has to cure the source. But, the inflammation is so severe that the US have to deal with that right away.

Keep watching the news...they're all there...hehehe.

Kidd

[yap]

with all due respect to silverado, he is partially right and partially wrong, and i thank him for his opinion. we must be proud to be filipinos at all times. those wars may not be our war, but we did join those wars by sending our people in harm's way. a lot of filipinos, and a lot of filipino-americans, died in the korean and the vietnam war. the point i was trying to make was that any nation which goes to war must not aim for half-way victory, but for ultimate victory. if such nation and its people have no such will, it should not be in such a war in the first place. from a vietnam veteran.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Who said we lost in the Korean War or Vietnam? That the US backed off in Vietnam? Well, if you'll measure the number of "killed" (including those "innocents"--let's count the combatants only for the sake of this post) it is 1-American to 30-communist or more. Vietnam is a long story...but the French should have given up that territory right after the WW2. Defending the democracy against the spreading communists back then, US was pulled into that mess.

In the Korean war...wasn't that the United Nations fought that war (led by the US of course) against the communist aggressors when they invaded the South. On the numbers or combatants killed, the free world does not have the upper hand too. What they have right now is a truce...however, the South is far more progressive than the North.

In both wars, the enemy of the US was the communists. Well, think, who won now?

Kidd

[jrtras]

Even the most peace loving nation maintains an armed forces, because in reality, peace cannot be achieve or preserve without the use of military force. That’s what the military forces are for, to go into war in order to defend their country and people. There are conflicts that can be settled at the negotiating table, however, there are also times wherein a particular provocation cannot be simply tolerated. I believed the terrorist act that happened at WTC and Pentagon were obviously an act of war that calls for a military response. If such terrorist act were let go off unpunished or not dealt with force, the more it will embolden the perpetrators of this act and the more we will suffer from their terror.

Look at the Abu Sayyaf, they could have been neutralized or terminated long time ago. But because of the dilly-dallying approach of the Phil. gov’t in their previous exploits, they’ve become stronger, they kidnapped and killed more innocent people, had caused more havoc in our economy and became a big scorn in our society.

Nobody in their sane mind would like to get into war, but if it is the inevitable, then so be it.

Just my opinion.


Jrtras



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[yap]

excellent opinion, jrtras. i agree with you 100 per cent. as additional comment, a nation at war must focus on who the enemy is, and we must also be tolerant of our fellow citizens no matter what dialect or language he or she speaks or prefer to speak, nor his or her cultural or national background or origin. when i come and visit pi and go to sabong, it doesnt bother me one bit if my kapustahan speaks arabic, chinese, or whatever, or whether he or she looks like a muslim, chinese, or whatever, as long as we could communicate our pustahan with no problem--whether sa meron or sa wala ako for one hundred, one thousand, or for whatever amount of bet. it should be the same in any peace and freedom loving society, in any sabungan, and, may i add, in this forum.

[Pinolim]

Kidd, thanks for the warm welcome, mainit pa!!! I must have been so engrossed with surviving this rough country that It is only lately that I heard of this Abu Sayyaf. I thought it was only the MNLF and the NPA that our Phil government have to tnagle with when I left the island years ago, now the Abu Sayyaf! The Phil. government probably did not Dilly-dally to confront this new threat, but is it because they knew their ammos will ran out after the first encounter?
I've heard the abu sayyaf is well supported and well financed by money from the mid-east so probably they are better armed than our Phil Armed Forces. Baka iyong pambili nang ammo pinag-trabesiya muna sa derby?? Joke only, ha!!!!!

[jta10741]

being a truck driver. just out of conincidence i was in carlstadt n.j. tuesday morn at 8:00am
watching the terrible act first hand, directly across the river.
howard stearn was the only radio d.j. on because most of the radio stations went down on the attack.
let me tell you all...my heart fell to the ground when howard and robin said 50000 people worked in those buildings.
i was catching up on my paperwork, glanced up to see the first building already falling, i never took my eyes off the buildings again. a few minutes later the second building fell. it was a terrible feeling to be that up close and personal and to be able to do nothing, except watch thousands of people die

[kasador]

when north korea fell into the hands of communism they lose that war.when they failed to stop communism from taking over on vietnam after a long dragging war they lose that war too.body counnting of casualties from both sides didn`t tell anything and has nothing to do with victory.the objective is to put capitalism and democracy.the objective is not to make body counts after the war.the objective of those war was not put in reality and did not materialize.when communism was installed instead of capitalism into those areas that means only that they lose those wars.there is waht they call clash of civilization where you can not just go into one land and interfere and impose the ideas of capitalism.these people have also their own values and traditions.they also like we filipinos deserve the needed respect.we need to examine again those foreign policies being tried to be implemented in different parts of the world.different administartion means different policies and objectives.do all policies benefits all?they say the majority of poor have to suffer hunger to enable the few rich to live in luxury!

[jrtras]

Originally posted by Pinolim:
The Phil. government probably did not Dilly-dally to confront this new threat, but is it because they knew their ammos will ran out after the first encounter?
I've heard the abu sayyaf is well supported and well financed by money from the mid-east so probably they are better armed than our Phil Armed Forces.


Yes they did Pinolim, as during the early kidnapping days of the Abu Sayyaf, the military only pursue them while they held their captives. Once their victims were released (after paying ransom money), the military stop their hot pursuit operation against the ASG, and only resumes their offensive once the ASG strikes again. Had the Phil. government been serious in totally eradicating the ASG during their earlier exploits of banditry and terrorism, they could have not grown stronger as they are today and more lives could have been saved.

Yes it’s true that the ASG get some financial support from their allies, but lately they became self-sufficient in generating their funds (thru ransom earned from kidnappings) for weapons acquisition.

With the tora-tora, attack helicopter, tanks and APC of the Phil. military, obviously they have the firepower advantage over the ASG. It’s the ASG’s familiarity of the rugged terrain, guerilla warfare, use of hostages as human shield, and the support of some local residents at their area of operation which made the ASG difficult to contain.

Terrorist are like pest, they have to be contained as early and as quickly as possible. They should not be allowed to grow and multiply, otherwise they become an uncontrollable irritants that can cause more harm and damage.


Jrtras

[Kidd Sentencia]

Sounding like a "nationalist" there...bastaikaw...hehehe. If the numbers of kills does not matter to you, then don't stop there. Those wars were continued, fought, in a different front--economics, now who is winning? Communists or the Free World?

To correct you, North Korea did not fall under communism...they emerged as a communist state after the Japanese defeat.

In Vietnam, in order to win in your terms, the US has to "kill them all"...well, can't do that of course.

Yes, the communists are in power at those countries right now, if you call that winning the war, that's yours...but that did not improve the lives of their people either. Communism, that twisted idea is proven ineffective...their grand patriarch, the Soviet Union, has long collapsed...hehehe.

Long Live the Free-World!

Kidd

[Pinolim]

jrtras, thanks for the update!!! i did not mean to be cynical about our Phil.gov't nor our Phil Armed Forces. I know it is very difficult for our Phil government to fight so many fronts, the NPA,MNLF,KIdnappers and other felons with our limited resources.

[yap]

kidd, you seem to be such a very nice person and i enjoy your posts very much. but winning wars is not just a matter of counting body bags. ive seen so many of them in my lifetime. its the end result. i am no military genius. but korea and vietnam is somewhat the same in the blunders that were made. its so easy to see it now, AFTER THE FACT. in korea, had the american military, or its government, had the guts to face the then chinese menace, and destroyed it, the korean peninsula would be different now. vietnam is basically the same thing. there is no way the american military could win the ultimate victory without sending ground troops to north vietnam and destroying the north vietnamese and the viet cong, but they were not ready to face the chinese or the soviets, for that piece of vietnam real estate, in case they intervene. and who win the vietnam war? if you were there in vietnam, in may 1974, there would be no question in your mind.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kidd Sentencia:
...If the numbers of kills does not matter to you...

[Kidd Sentencia]

Yap, thanks...

We know in Korea the objective was to preserve the south as a Republic...that's a win, right? The UN did not attack the North...it was the other way around.

In Vietnam, the problem was inherited by the Americans from the French. Trying to prevent the farther spread of communism, they fought...the rest is history. Did you know about the Rolling Thunder, and the Linebackers I & II?

In the two wars, being a career military myself, American, the pride and fighting spirit instilled on me will never admit that we have lost a war...period.

You say the end result...well it is not end yet...I tell you this, once those old guards in the communist states passed away...guess what? The younger ones will slowly but surely get rid of communism. I may even see it in my lifetime...

This is just a discussion, nothing personal...

thanks,

Kidd

[yap]

kidd, that was excellent positive thinking. thats the way all these postings should be--nothing personal--whether we agree with each other's opinion or not. youre such a very nice, people friendly person, and i admire and salute you for that.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Yap, I return the salute to you...like I've said before, you are indeed a gentleman and a scholar. Thanks for being the "elder man"...more power to you!

Kidd

[Maning]

While there is no question that america will change as a result of the violent attacks on the wtc and pentagon,the american people must ensure that they will not become victims of their own fear,because then the terrorist will indeed have won.

"Courage is the price that life exacts for granting peace"

[GoldenDragon]

JC....as usual the picture is perrrrfect...

to our american friends .....the four letter word in the picture is something that we pilipinos uses with abandon... for it has no real meaning to us... we even curse our friends in a friendly manner "f--k u man"...
it does not mean anything...
just like the spanish-mestizoz uses "c--- man"

but we never use the equivalent term that connotes the same thing in the vernacular or our dialect
for then it becomes vulgar...

I am explaining because there were some american friends who found it not too pleasing to their senses.

cheers and mabuhay!!!!

[Simurgh]

Sorry, triple entry, computer problem,timeout again

[This message has been edited by victe (edited 09-21-2001).]

[Simurgh]

sorry, software problem

[This message has been edited by victe (edited 09-21-2001).]

[Simurgh]

The next world trade center building shall have shear walls column design to meltdown any terrorist plane crushing. It will be much bigger and the said wall shall likewise be an architectural gem .....

Victedamus.....//sabong.com.ph/UbbNonCgi/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Babam]

silverado,

i am just curious as to what fraternity you belong to? because i too belonged to a fraternity in Rutgers University and we didnt let any ragheads in. it was mostly composed of whites and jews. just curious pare.

babam

[silverado]

babam,BETA SIGMA 'dre and this is in the Philippines.peace!

[peatree]

Two notable attacks that we barely noticed almost all rthe time...more than terrorist attack...attack on your pocket and attact on yourselves! :lol:

"You can lose the money but do not lose your self"

When people make your day miserable, do not let them make you of what you are not!"

[zrauloh]

whew, something!

[ligas_paka2006]

:hippie: