black fowl and crosses

[loko201]

hey guys!

recently, i went to elrode cockpit and i saw a black cock finishing his oponent in the air in one buckle. The opponent literally just dropped dead on the ground. I got facinated with this type of cock. id like to know if all blacks fight like that and what are the other black breeds.. thanks

[Gallos Locos]

Blacks have gained the re****tion of being sleepers and runners. Although not all blacks are like this. Some known black bloodlines are Bonanza Blacks, Black Travelers, McRaes, and Heart Surgeons. On the positive side, blacks are also known for speed. In my experience, when a good black bloodline is fought at the proper age with good conditioning, then they are just as good as any.

[Sundowner]

Canadian Mug can be considered as one of the best as long as you fight them in the proper age (3 yrs. old). They have the speed, brain and power. They cross well with any type of Hatch. You may consider Mel Sims black Mcrae. Lots of cockers from Guam like his black.

[ktrix]

Jungle fowls and bwn red of Gypsy farm and Bobby Jones Mcrae
Richard A. Kelley Mug endorsed by Glenn of Cebu city in other forum. HOPE IT HELPS!
Amigo,
Kim

[PandP]

Some of the black blood of Bobby Jones came from Hawaii. They are very very fast but seem to be a very "nervous like" breed.
Wingate are also very quick.

[jlbs72]

a quote from Mr. Gery Douglas of Bonanza Gamefarm (originator of Black Bonanza)

If a red Rooster runs, not all red rooster are runners.
If a grey Rooster runs, not all grey rooster are runners.
But if a black Rooster runs, they say that all black rooster are runners.

make sense di ba ???

[roundhead]

I got licked once by a black. I had high hopes for one of my dark wine yellow legged rooster and thought that once I get a bill hold thats it for the black. in short before pitting I already condemned my black opponenent with all the negative stuff you hear out there. I even went all the way with the bet. after the release the black just hit once and hit my rooster under the wing (nakilikili) and then just stood there without finishing until my rooster froze to death, I actually thought I had a heart attack! :) but that is that. I hope you be happy with the black!:lol:

[Gallos Locos]

Amen :teeth:

[hatchclaret]

warhorse is black,,mug di exactlyblack before sid taylor black now brownred color joe wingate w yellowish hackle .mcrae look like black they have 2 color black joe wingate brownred he is dark eyes ginger color dark leeg and hazel eyes ,.larger bone ,mug naman im sure never whippe , . bakit ang black strains ng kano di natakbo ,, kasi naman iba yun black na palaot sa phils. ang iba ay natakbo misconception sa black ihope this help

[Ferdi]

If anyone knows of anybody who has the Hunter Blackhackle fowl then please post the info. A friend of mine who breeds old time bloodlines, who doesn't have a computer, will appreciate the help.

[ocratsira]

This Black is not a runner.

[swackle]

how about the Black Butcher with brass on the wings
I know they are not in these family of blacks, but they are
like KASILIHIN as we call it.

I like those Sid Taylors too.

[Ad Infinitum]

most blacks are not runners or sulkers. on the contrary, most blacks are good. i think the only black with negative feedback is the old-time nigger breed that we had in the philippines because a number of this pure breed have sulked in the drag.

but when we talk about the other blacks (such as sid taylors, bonanza blacks, mcrae, mugs, etc). they are quick with power. in fact, i know of a few breeders who won't feel comfortable fighting a rooster which doesn't have some black blood in them.

look at jackie wilkerson's (from arkansas) fowl. all his fowl have black blood in them and they are awesome.

[banyog1023]

wow! i was amazed that there are many of us here in sabong.net who have the same admiration about black fowls....considering the bad re****tion of blacks....i dont believe. i have openly expressed my desire for dark fowls since i joined this site. i love them not because of their color..as most of my frnds conceived to be my reason...but because of what i have witnessed in the pit (i saw it in elorde also) the few blacks being fought these days...most of them i saw won unscathed. there are few sulkers or runners..but the ratio is 1/10 ... and there are lots of other sulkers and runners ... and they are not black.

[loko201]

banyog

were you there at elorde last mar 9 also? the black cock was fought in the afternoon already. We fought 2 cocks also dat day. we were lucky we had 2 wins. :)

[EAA Indians]

I am not sure, is there a Kent and Griffin Blacks or Mugs?

We have a black but I have no clue who and how they were bred. So, I just call them Indians (like they could be Indians from all over the world who traveled across continents) and they seem to adapt to any environment and competition: Top, middle and backyard-brush. Nothing fancy about them and for sure they will never win a beauty contest, but at the end of fight day, everybody's stress is gone, everybody had a fun day and the tropa get to take home some money. A simple bird for a simple cocker.

[BananaCamp]

In the late 70's my Dad bred a Mcrea cock to a Claret hen the offsprings won 21 straight fights over a period of two years before one lost. We fought them against Raymond Rayno, Oscar Atkins, Awa just to name a few. Those were the days when my Dad would read the caliskis and tell us what phase of the moon we should fight the roosters in. Us young boys used the modern keep methods String King - Naragansit and got the roosters ready and were able to win more than lose with that combination. Those were the days...BLACKS!

[Gallos Locos]

EAA Indians, yes there is a Kent Mug.

[TonyDel]

I have not encountered (seen or competed against) a Black Traveler??? Could somebody give me more infos???

[Gallos Locos]

TD, The Black Travelers are a late maturing line that doesn't fly too high during the break, with extremely good in-fighting ability. I've bred my Travelers to be abang , which seems uncharacteristic as blacks are thought to be rushers. Because of their late maturing nature, I wouldn't recommend this bloodline for beginners unless one has the patience to fight them at the right age. In my opinion, 2-4 years would be about right.

[[3rd]]

the very first fowls i had came from my tito and my dad's bestfriend. From my tito came a mclean broodcock, and from my dad's bestfriend came a black traveler hen. From that mating, all the produce won their first fight. Unfortunately, to date i only have one left the others died already or were stolen. The last one i have just won his second fight unscratched just last sunday. =) Gallos Locos is right, the black travelers are late maturing but fought at the right age, they're just as good as the others, maybe even better. =) The only complain i have of that line which i had, sobrang damot sa lalaki at least for me dahil siguro hen hatch ako. i always ended up with a stag every year two at most. they were madamot enough that my dad's bestfriend culled all the straight hens!! haaay... just sharing :)

[LUPIN3]

How About the Black Batangas? anybody knows about it? it seem during their prime i read a lot from them , if im not mistaken , the owner is Dante Carandang..

3rd dami mo pala pullet ng black , share mo na lang sa amin sa presyong kaibigan ...hehehehehe

[Pitikpalo]

Lupin,

during d ealry 80's , when my godfather and father are busy
fighting in the derby, they used a lot and had a higher percentage
of winning using this Blacks, I dont know if these are the same as your Batangas Blacks, but we called them PULO' from Pulo, Batangas; in contrary to the late maturing ones, they are best as
bullstags, fast and furious, they won a lot of them derbys around the area to Taytay,Rizal where another cumpadre operate the pit. Covelandia in Cavite was one of the best cockpit then it was
sorrounded by water run by Rey Ilas, Theresa Sq. Garden airconditioned by col de Guzman then , where Christina Enrile (Lady 44 ) comes in style via helicopter. Arcontica was run by Rudy Velayo. We had better W's with this Blacks before they switch to Bacolod folws of Hinlo, Escalona, Lacsons and Montilebano... the good old days..........

I also like Black fowls in Brownreds as they are considered Blacks.

Keep on cocking......

[dong1967]

one my losses in my last vacations hackfight was from a black henny. it was a drag fight it last about 8 mins. im llamado 10-6 ang lugro.they say that blacks dont last long in a fight ; labas na bituka lumalaban pa. my red cock was hit in the neck.

dong1967

[roy reyes]

HELP anyone here can describe the physical appearance of a blacktraveller hen or cock.thank you.

[Camarines]

I read this in a men's magazine joke column (no offense to race or color). If you go to a cockfight, alway bet on a black man. And there's a quote "Once you tried black, there's no turning back." Black shuffler is a good fowl.

[[3rd]]

black travelers are jet black in color, mine was peacombed though.

Lupin3,

i dont have any left, all i have left is a cock left. just a beginner here trinkling around with what i have. =)

[ktrix]

loko201,

The one you saw from the tape our battlecock won by a peck his father also a winner in Del monte, Valenzuela came from behind win i bought this from TJT farm of Dr Teddy Tanchanco in Bulacan when i was a student in Fatima College of Nursing.The name of the line is Bob Basset Blacks i think he still breeds this line i could't imagine cripple one leg on his right and still win WoW even my opponent went to see my cock after our fight disbelief.

[arcticbird]

IT IS VERY INTERISTIG TOPIC.. I BREED BLACKS 2 YEARS NOW.. I got a they called pierce shuppler from mesuorri (M.O. ) i like their feet bloww first. - they are not good in drag fight - but they are good in cutting- i never try yet to fight them... some a croos them from my lacy RH--- and htey have a good combination.. they are very cery fast- side steps --- shuffler are tall birds - body are normal.. so any body used shuffler before comments pls. .. may tulog ba ito???? my shuffler are look like velcro itim ang mga mata..

[Gallos Locos]

roy, the hens mostly come all black, sometimes with the occassional spangle.

[elmov]

I acquired a hammond gordon blacks from an american breeder.
They got speed and power and now i cross them with a Harold Brown hatch(grey)..to begin with..hope it clicks!

Don't forget the Zamboanga blacks of B. Primallion, as well.

[swackle]

Elmov,
are u trying to produce Dirty Greys?

[[3rd]]

also had experience with shufflers, again my tito gave it to me. i got pissed by the hen, gave it to my dad's friend, dont know what happened after. My tito's shufflers were multiple winners, high breakers good cutters. BUT we both had the same complain, we dont want the body built. havent seen them on the drag though, guess i never will.

[elmov]

to swackle

Yes...i'm trying to produce dirty greys...

elmov

[rolly_rolly216]

cock mate maraming itim na manok gaya ng war horse;traveller;mugs;brownred;sid taylor; bonanza;blk mc rae;may local pa na pulo mula batangas; nigger ; halos lahat sila ay magaling sa kise'syapol mga agresibo maiinit at sugod maglaro mabilis pumalo at dikit dikit ....kaya madalas kinakapos ng resestensya at napagkakamalan natutulog sa sobrang pagod minsan may tumatakbo ;pero hangat maaari ayaw ko mapalaban sa itim dahil pag nakauna tiyak paliguan ng palo kalaban. at kahit maunahan at makakapit tyak papalo ng marami ang nakikita ko lang kulang sa timing at diskarte

rolly ramos

[elmov]

Yeah, blacks are agressive as what our friend Rolly is trying
to point out and i definitely agree with him...but sometimes
crossing them with other bloodlines works...
Dicky Lim once fought a "black butcher" during the WSD
where he emerged as the champion...i saw the fight..man,
the fowl is a deadly cutter!


elmov

[rhandy]

Karamihan ng mga blackfowl ay mabilis at shuffler parang agrisibo ang dating at ito ay hinde mataas lumipad.Ang
SPEED at pagka SHUFFLER nito ay syang pinaka magandang katangi-an ng mga blackwarrior na aking nagustohan.Ang e improve nalang ang lipad at timing at alisin ang pagka agrisibo nito.Kaya ito ay dapat e cross para maging iba na ang fighting style at ang lalabas ay blackfowl na may speed,timing,shuffler at high breaker.Maraming nagsabi na ang blackfowl ay tumatakbo o natutulog. hinde naman, ito ay pareho din lang sa ibang lahi o kulay.Kung may manok man tayo na mahilig matulog huwag na nating dalhin sa sabongan baka doon pa matulog sa rueda mapahiya pa tayo,iwanan nalang natin sa bahay matulog para masarap at mahimbing pa ang tulog nya.

[LUPIN3]

NGAYON!! SINO ANG ME BLACK FOWL JAN?? BAKA PUEDE MAKABAHAGI SA PRESYONG KAIBIGAN...HEHEHEHE.. SAMAHAN NA DIN NG STAG !!!...

[vulture]

is a spangled (lasak), black?.. a crossed with ylh/zw(?) produced a big bird (2.5 kgs.) with powerful shuffles. i bred half brother/sister mating, the chicks when females are all black with red gold glow in the head, the males are black with white face and front body. the original lasak was also a big bird.

[HAS]

Black butcher,black democrat,black mcrae,black bonanza,black travellers,nigger roundheads,warhorse,sid taylors,blackshufflers,mugs and brownreds are the kinds of blacks that i know.I recently got hold of a black stag from iloilo.According to my uncle it was a black bred by the Aldeguers and they call it black hatch.The Aldeguers have been using this blacks in stag derbies in iloilo coliseum.One brother of this stag won in less than 10 seconds the handler told us.I still need to verify its bloodline but were mating it to black butcher hens.

[Gallos Locos]

vulture, my Travelers throw some spangles once in a while.

[rooster master]

i used to have a black, dont know what it is, but i had won like 10 times in a row. its all black no mix or anything. its not round head, its like triangle and alot of small things sticking up.

[vulture]

it doesn't really matter much to me the bloodline of the original lasak, grandfather to my bullstags which i am conditioning for hackfights.. though judging from pictures of bloodlines that i saw its features are nearer to the butcher , big head and vertical stance. got him from palit manok, relatively old and retired (imported and derby winner!?). my minor problem right now is that my gamefowls are big, difficult for neighbors to agree to a spar.

[bam2626]

Black Shuffler cross....

This blue legged black shuffler cross defies all the misconceptions about blacks......This bird is a smart defensive fighter, traits that probably came from the hen side whose bloodline can not be ascertained. This bird does not rush the opponent, he feels his opponent out by evading him two or even three or four times before he hits back with perfectly timed shots.....(Pitik pitik lang). He is extremely fast and agile.....He has won four times without a single scratch....

This black fowl is my most favorite bird at the Sarocca Game Farm in Jacksonville, Florida. Since the bloodline on the hen side is unknown, to what bloodlines can it be bred to retain his style of fighting?

Your input will be greatly appreciated......

[arcticbird]

bam,

well you are right.. siya patalon talon at always nakataas ang ulo pag sa drag fight.. abang at ang gusto ay may straigth na palo sa harapan mismo.. i cross them in lacy roundhead. at at may nkikita ko palagi sa spar my pitic na pa side pag dinadaanan ang kalaban... at ang karamihan ay blue legs at may mga green legs then.. i buy this cocks from messuari (m.o)... thank kaibigan.. at nasubukan mo na pala.. in your pic ganyan na ganyan ang mga palahi ko ngayun.. yellowest na may block.... mahina ba sa sugat ang shuffler??

thanks

[steph]

I got Black Mcrae's from Hawaii,Yes,they are very good,
solid puncher and can break also...but please dont fight
them when they are not in the right age.
I've lost 2 of them before nang inilaban ko
sila...why???inilaban ko silang mga bata pa..
9months ..kalaban siguro mga 2yr.old.But believe me
they are very good.Mas maraming palo manok kung
binitawan but unfortunately the blows were not
fatal.Ratatat kung pumalo...My best Mcrae's
na lumabas are the BlackGrey...good height,good body.
Mga pare,try nyo mag cross ng black Mcrae against
Kelso...super pumalo!!!

[bam2626]

Arcticbird, we have not experienced them in the drag yet..He had a brother that won three times but on the fourth fight, he got cornered in the "barandilla" and was not able to evade the opponent. They either win fast and clean or lose fast too. They will probably fare better in the Philippines where the pits are bigger....

You are probably right, crossing them with a smart line like the lacy or a kelso will make them fight smart.....

Do you have access to these Black Shufflers? I am in the market for a hen......

Bam

[arcticbird]

Do you, Please send me a pic , i want to add some bloodlines.

[tsampoy]

tar heel once told a story on producing some best blacks in this planet.he mentioned of crossing a mean cutting black cock to the best proven red hen you can ever have.they don`t look that good but guaranteed to see people gnashing their teeth in pain and agony of defeat against a dark enemy!:lol: :lol:

[redfox2003]

Black hen from Australia
My uncle from Ilocos Norte just gave me a black hen ( pure black ) with about an inch spur on both legs. Can any body give me an idea on what strain this hen might be. Kindly state also the traits of that particular strain.
Thanks

[arcticbird]

Shuffler pierce from messuori,

COME FROM SMITH HATCHERY..I NEED INFORMATION FROM YOU GUYS.. IF YOU HAVE A DETAIL, WHERE THE ORIGIN.

[GoldenDragon]

I forgot all about my zamboanga blacks, my hens has been sitting in their pen for years now, not mating them. those zamboanga blacks were really good made mayor dalipe famous. I will experiment with them again. cheers

[luna sea]

Patikpalo,
the black that you mention "lahing Pulo" is from batangas and the ones who frequently uses this line way back was the late "Dave AraÑez". this is a blend of warhorse.
lots of speed but they sulk or sleep when hit in the breadbasket.

Luna sea

[simplisity68]

hi there fellow cockers,
what kind of bloodline can you mix breed with black shufflers and macrae's?what would be most common,and if any of you guy'z tested it. how did you do? thanks

[joeper]

Try Mclean hatch, I tried it and so far the crosses are doing great. They cross would come out fast like the blacks and powerful like the hatches. And once your cock hits the other in the first buckle you've got a big winning chance. They won't stop until the other cock is dead.

[swallow]

Any game hatch blood should be good because the only doubts on blacks are their gameness, otherwise they are perfect knife fowl. Just check out the blacks you have for cutting as there are some out there that doesn't cut deep enough. I think 1/4 blood of a solid hatch line should be good enough, so as not to alter the speedy, high breaking black characteristic.

Just my opinion...

[marciel m]

Try to cross your blacks with a proven black asil family. Add some brains and cutting to the speed and aggressivness of blacks.

[TOTI]

Cross w/ whites... You'll have B & W. If lucky, like a dalmatian.
Just joking.

[bien1931]

Marciel, the one that posted for opinion about what best to cross with black fowl did not specify wheather he has a cock or hen. If
the cock comes from a reliable bloodline say a MCRAE cock say 7/8 which is almost impossible to get I will breed him to a 1/2
Lacy or Bruner R.H. and 1/2 Boles Asil, the Boles asil is very hard to obtain, those that have them don't let go for selfish reason because they are very intelligent smart and very good to add to your bloodline. You can only obtain these kind of asil by being very good friend of the breeder or have someone to steal one.
I know of one from the West Coast Pinoy who paid $ 1500 for a
hen.Then inbreed the cross once, then line breed X 4 generation
cross breed after the 4th gen.so you will have a very good line with adding any other bloodline in your breeding
Sorry ans. is long, but then again breeding a raising gamefowls
should not be a hit and miss method otherwise one is wasting
time and money

[marciel m]

Well said bien 1931

[Gallos Locos]

I've crossed my Travelers with Hatches and Roundheads as well.

[bien1931]

Simplisit68, if you have a Mcrae cock, Wm. Mcrae does not
say much how his fowls are bred. When he was still alive he run his farm on strictly buisness., either you buy at his price or you are out. But from people close to him his black Mcrae in made-up of black traveler cross with nigger R.H. and some Doc. Robinson hatch. If there strain is correct then I will breed to a good radio from J. Jumper ( 2) to a very good pipeliner claret if you can get one, (3) Chocolate-Gray from G. Justiss. Thuis will start you with a very good strain, you can be proud off.
If you are going to breed for your own to fight or be a breeder, you have to always start with the best broodstock you can get otherwise if you fight chickens buy as many as you can afford cull 70-80% sell them and fight the remaining fowls these way you did not waste any time breeding questionable brood stocks.
I hope I ans. your question, about what to breed with your Black Mcrae. Remember Simplisty68 you either be a very good breeder or not, be less is waste of your valuable time.

Yours in breeding,
blue grass.

[redlight]

Hatch blood.

[miguel88]

simplisity,

i would say a good lemon-hatch cock will make the big difference when you match it with your black's hen.

[simplisity68]

wassup guyz,
thanks for the replies,the blck travellers i got were from chuck canady.tehe hens are shufflers and the cock black mcreae he said he got that bloodline frm a good friend of his in orgeon.I may tryyellow leg hatch or some good greyblood make some idaw's.

thanks guyz,

[pax111]

I have had good luck breeding to black asil ( the amount of asil blood is determined by the weapon).

Best of luck with your black fowl.

[gerry buron]

That cock in the picture looks like a roundhead.

Based from the fighting style you described, it sounds like a roundhead.

Maybe that's a Black-Roundhead cross, agrressive-defensive combination.

[sndiegogamefarm]

i fought some blacks in quarsite arizona i think they are the best black ever fought there under mabuhay i still have them just won 2 derby's w/ them in tulare this year

[XxGary_BlairxX]

My black hatch are very good the guy that rasied them have tropes on them

[XxGary_BlairxX]

them suffler look just like my black hatch are the hen soild black

[warhorse]

ako personally i like black cocks...

i seem to be lucky with this color...

[sndiegogamefarm]

bam2626 you know you are right those kind of black are good coz one of the best breeder that breeds black is from there in florida chief lawler.

[redlcloud]

CONTRARY TO WHAT OTHERS BELIEVE..NOT ALL BLACK FOWL ARE "RUNNERS"

..I HAD A MCRAE FOWL THAT DOESNT TURN BACK..HES QUICK,SMART AND HARD HITTING..HE COULD KILL HIS ENEMY AS FAST AS HE EAT HIS FEEDS..WITHOUT HESITATION..SO THE ONE WHOS SAYING THAT BLACK FOWLS ARE RUNNERS MAYBE UR BLOODLINES ARE IN DIFFERENT LINE OF BLACKS..BLACK FOWL ARE UNIQUE,,THEY ARE JUST LIKE THE "DARK HORSE " IN A PIT..HURT THEM..AND THEY WILL HURT YOU HARDER

[CIGAR]

i have some tombstone blacks they are indeed very good black
blood we have had a good success rate with them we all most
lost the bloodline due to dogs... however we will breed some this spring.....


cigar

[jing1]

brownred are they really family of black??
what can you tell me about brownred.thank you

[XxGary_BlairxX]

the brown reds i had the hens are black and the roosters are a black and red color and the guy i got them from has won with 95% of them

[CIGAR]

posted on my gallery is a cigar black tombstone line.... they are
very game and have good luck with these in all shows....


cigar

[waloanim]

6 month old nigger roundhead

[jjrooster]

waloanim, your nigger roundheads look just like my sids. where did you get them and how do they show and what weapon do you use. and about the blacks i thing if you get the good macreas or sids there as good as any. thanks, jamie

[felito]

I went to the Hawaiian Derby this year at the Bayou Club and saw some terrific blacks fought by "Slop Jar" and Terry Henderson(I think). Any how they fought under Out Back entry, and were able to go 7-0 along with Bama(Dee Cox). If I remember correctly :crazy: Jimbo might have also had a black or two. Never the less, both entries cleaned house. :)

[waloanim]

jjrooster, the stag is owned by Mick from N.C. i have a pair of the same line I heard they are good in any weapon. Black Mcraes originated from this bloodline they said. here is the pic of the hen that i have.

[El Español]

Sorry, I was kind of in a rush and I didn't read the entire thread, but the basis of many of these modern black fowl can be traced back to their European and Saharan Africa black fowl roots, of course, the influence of Asian black fowl has played a major roll in the formation of our modern black gamefowl as we know them today too!

Primarily:

From Spain:
White Faced Spanish Blacks
Black Minorcans
Black Castilians (first introduced by the Moors during occupation)
Black Andalucians (also known as Jerezanos)

From Sicily: (probably introduced by Arabs)
Black Leghorns

From France:
Crevecoeur Black
La Fleche Black

United Kingdom:
Old English Blacks (and black reds)

Asia:
Sumantran Black
Cubalaya Black

This is not even mentioning a many, many others that have been infused throughout the thousands of years. Imagine all the different black bantams that exist today...it will boggle your mind.

Now, you say that these are not all gamebirds, but you would be suprised what the great breeders have infused into their bloodlines throughout the past 500 years to come up with Modern Gamefowl as we know them today.

So, when somebody asks you the bloodline of your modern Warhorse.........tell them "Black Sicilian Leghorn" and check out the looks and laughter that will generate!

Sincerely,

[jjrooster]

waloanim, i've also been told that mcrae was originated from nigger rounheads,is it true they were crossed with kelsos too get the fowl we see today.and my mcraes pullets look alot like yours. thanks,jamie

[buhawi]

i am a breeder of major circuit wingate/roy gray brownreds and sam gowdy japs.when both cross together they cut like hell and real deep.they really reach out to deliver the wallops.they are not beautiful but you`ll have a heart attack when they start to mow.my red ginn toppies frompaul bond are great cutting machine also,premium lk fowl.

[Bilco]

Hi Guys,

Sorry but I had added a photo of a black muff cock but the pic wont load properly.


Bilco

[Bilco]

Hi Guys,

Thought I would give you a look at this cock as he is to be the main brood cock next year.

He is blind in one eye through no fault of his own and I would be glad to hear what you think of his station etc.


Bilco

[XxGary_BlairxX]

nice what is he

[nemmmo]

how about the white clarets and the zamboanga whites??? can we say their origin is from the white leghorns too???

[Bilco]

Gary,

Hes a 7 times winner and thats all that matters to me as I dont suscribe to the old strains or lines that some people seem to be obcessed with.Some of these guys were legends but have been dead for 40 or 50 years and cockers still go nuts to get their lines,even though they are bound to have been watered down beyond belief.

What I think we all should be striving for is to create are own line or family of birds of which we can be proud

In my humble opinion winners breed winners and if this muff starts producing the goods,then I can inbreed,line breed or whatever round him.

[desertfire]

Gentlemen can u furnished me an information about black fowls.their fighting style. who are the best breeders of this fowls in pinas and to whom i can acquire this? their bloodlines? are they good in long knife? are they really worth to breed? many thanks

[Taga_Cebu]

use your search engine and you'll see a lot of very good information regarding black fowls and who breeds them locally. You'll be surprise that there are a lot of members here who breeds good black fowls and have fought them successfully... Sometimes it's better to go to small farms who are not too commercialize yet... rather than big farms because you'll definitely get quality fowls and are a lot cheaper as well. :)

[blackjack]

Desertfire

Check out the bonanza blacks Manny Berbano & Mayor Jesry Palmares has them you can also check the mugs of Peter Uren I got mine from him a couple of years ago and up to now they are still winning for me the mugs are awesome crossed on the possum of bruce acn also be fought pure

[wickedfroggie]

TORNADO BLACK OF RUSTY BACALTOS

BUT NON FOR SALE:D

[Sodapop]

+*+ I'll take the Black Velcros and the Popeye Muggs...Anytime!

[KELKER]

I like Black Velcro and Mugs... Those black Velcros can hurt ya fast..

[james wolf]

Sodapop, this breeding season will be crossing black velcro & popeye mug, we shall see next stag season jim

[chicco]

black mangzee's!!! ang gagaling pa jab jab lang muna if he caught u out of balance isang malakas na frontal tapos ang laban. ;)

[ghetto_grappler]

ONCE AGAIN IM GONA SAY TRY THE MELSIM BLACKS YOU WONT REGRET IT.... IF YOU WANT A BLACK THAT IS GAME, AGRRESSIVE, AND KICKS LIKE HES UNLEASHING HELL.... DONT WASTE YOUR TIME JUST GET THE MELSIMS BLACKS

[mr.twin]

mga toll,

pki post po nman ninyo yun pic sa nyong mga black...

[jojo_c]

my black

[wickedfroggie]

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214T-2.JPG
http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214T-3.JPG
http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214T-1.JPG

HERES THE PICTURE OF PROVEN TORNADO BLACKS

ABOUT 15 OF THIS ARE MULTIPLE WINNERS. THIS BREED EVEN

IMPRESS JERRY DOUGLAS HIM SELF.

CONGRATULATION TO RUSTY WHO OBTAIN THIS BREED


NOTHING ARE FOR SALE

[El Español]

Tornado blacks????........I am just curious WickedF.......

Are those old time Hatch blacks?...........the Tornados I mean.....

Or a cross that has been set as a family a while back? They all look nice and uniform.

They look good man.

Thanks.

[wickedfroggie]

EL,
THEY ARE TORNADO BLACKS, WAS BREED SINCE 1960'S BUT

THEY ARE NOT AS POPULAR AS THOSE SWEATERS, KELSO ETC...

I BELIEVE THEY OLD MAN GOT HIS BIRDS FROM JERRY DOUGLAS

HIM SELF. CAME BACK TO OKLAHOMA AND SHOW HIS BLENDING

TO JERRY DOUGLAS, THE OLE MAN WAS IMPRESS. ONE OF THE

INFUSION IS A LEFT OVER AFTER THE TORNADO:D


THATS WHY THE OLE AURILLO OF HAWAII NAME IT TORNADO.

THIS OLE MAN WILL NOT HOLD DIFFRENT COLOR EXCEPT

BLACK:lol:

GOOD LUCK

[ylhatch]

nice fowls wfrog

[buhawi]

i`ll try this cross this coming breeding season....black velcro hen .........with johnny jumper kelso cock.

james wolf.........thanks for the breeding tip.

http://www.enjoi-gaming.com/uploads/velcro_hen_dark_renegade.JPG

http://www.enjoi-gaming.com/uploads/johnny_jumper_kelso_broodcock.JPG

[San Vicente]

The Alabama Blacks used by Chavit Singson
during the 5 cocks Derby "Friends of Danding"
Awesome shuffling ability. Uniform color and
fighting style.

[desertfire]

``Black is Back``

wicked froggie not for sale;) baka naman sa akin kahit isa lang na anak dun sa pinost ninyong pics and thanks for the pics.

san vicente san po ba makakakuha diyan sa atin ng black alabama na ginamit ni chavit?

ghetto how about this mel simms black whose breeding this and where can i get this in philippines?maybe you already have help me

jojo

nice mel simms you`ve got where did you get this one? marami na ba ito?

more inputs pls thanks a lot

[epcvirus]

their fast multiple cutting ang good breaking ability makes them
great.

When hit first, they can still manage to win the fight.

I'm happy to own a few good blacks at my backyard

epc

[ghetto_grappler]

jojo that is a nice black almost the same color as my melsim broodcock i bet that rooster hits super hard...did you get that direct from melsim himself

[jojo_c]

mang doming pangelinan prim .... u know him????



:hombre:

[booga]

Jojo my friend. Mr. Doming Pangelinan is from Guam. He's pretty well known around here especially with the older cockers on Guam.

[Sergio]

Mel Sims breeds different strains of blacks: the blacks itself, Mugs, Brown Reds, etc. I think that he even breed an old strain of Warhorse.

His crosses with his Hatch are very respected cocks in all Mexican pits, I have seen them kicking some Sweaters, Kelsos, Radios and so on asses.

I have seen also his Greys crossed on Brown Reds and Mugs, they do not look that pretty but they fight as hell

Greetings from Mexico

[Marabella]

What about the black jap x brownreds of Jim Clem?

[buhawi]

i am raising some stags now in the range..........from a cross of jj kelso over two black hens (japs-brownred) of my friend jim clem......had to separate the batch...as they were 3 weeks old.....they were already killing each other...........now they are coming stags.........they are very bully in the range.i plan to show them when they are fully matured at 2 years........they are best shown as cocks.:)

[kogmohon]

i don't know if you consider a canadian mug black because i read
somewhere that they are made up of rubles and kelso but to me
they are my best cutting fowl bar none...milt hall the originator of
sthis strain won over a hundred derby's using this line...

[colt39]

AWESOME birds.

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/500/120Brownred-Jap.JPG

[pitgods]

Nice Bird Jim!!!
Is that 50/50? I received the fowl I bought from you and they're doing well. Thank you so much!!!
I hope to produce a lot of those this breeding season.

[Touchdown]

that's a handsome,beautiful black cross you have Jim.wishing to produce 20 of those this coming breeding season...

[colt39]

Yes, he is a 1/2 & 1/2. He really took after the jap side though. He has been shown 3 times.

Thank you both & I hope you guys produce a whole bunch of these guys, they really are AWESOME.

Here is another one.

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/500/120brjp.JPG

[wickedfroggie]

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214T1.JPG

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214T2.JPG

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214T3.JPG

HERES ANOTHER MULTIPLE WINNER OF RUSTY TORNADO BLACKS

[wickedfroggie]

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214T4.JPG

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214T5.JPG
http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214T6.JPG

HERES ANOTHER TORNADO BLACK MULTIPLE WINNERS OF RUSTY:D

THOSE ALL PIX ARE COMPOSE OF BROTHERS AND 1 BROOD COCK "FATHER" OF ALL THOSE WINNERS

.........NOTHING ARE FOR SALE.......

[ghetto_grappler]

Sergio is right.. i think the MELSIM bloodline is under rated... gotta give more respect to that line it truly is an awesome bloodline....WICKED FROGGIE THOSE ARE SOME AWESOME YOU GOT THERE....LOOK LIKE KILLERS

[jojo_c]

other sabung heros like different style of fight. maybe they just dont like it or have not seen them in action yet. as for me its one the best ..

:hombre:
:zippo:

[jojo_c]

boss froggie... obviously u know a lot about tornado black. do u have information or ever heard about tornado grey ??? just asking


:hombre:
:zippo:

[ylhatch]

w.froggie
]nice roosters u have there.but the stags there seems to be a problem with their toes.

[wickedfroggie]

YLH,
Ya thats from the incubation, but aside from that they are all winners:D No need to worry on there appearance, aslong they win. My Friend aint' selling them any way, they uses them for personal use only.

[talisayon/balaw]

wicked,,,,

pls post this next to the roosters of mr. vitamins...is this for cf derby? not for sale? so just send it as a gift to me:lol: i would loveto have even just a pullet...:teeth:

[wickedfroggie]

Hehehe boss T/B:lol:

[colt39]

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/120IMG000121.jpg

[desertfire]

awesome fowls wicked, ok here`s a deal if it`s not for sale how about i`ll just exchanged it with a bottle of french brandy:D and additional i owe you a great of debt gratitude.

any idea whose the best breeders of blacks in Philippines and in U.S.

[desertfire]

Gentlemen i saw this pic in one of the thread this is really awesome i don`t know which bloodline is this any information about this line and who`s breeding this kind of fowl in U.S. and in Philippines? and

wicked hope you`ll agree just one pullet:D plsssssssssss have a nice day to all and Goodluck

[goldenkrrook]

my black bloodline is sid taylor. is there any one who knows this bloodline?

[buhawi]

if you like awesome black fowl..........contact noel debulgado or boy diaz..............those black hatch and alabama blacks are simply awesome

[i_am_samX]

black is beautiful...

my black mcrae stag...

[ylhatch]

in search of the best black fowl,
if your stags with those toes are the best for you,
fine with me,no offence intended!

may your winning ways continue





samx,

nice stance!laban natin pag uwi ko ng dec
goodluck sa kca




dessert fire,


if yuor looking for that phenotype my friend in meyc rufino sumawang and mayor eddie allarilla has those.all winners in the pits.but im not sure if they are selling any roosters !coz they dont sell,they fight!

[wickedfroggie]

YLHatch,
Thanks alot for the comments:D

Desert,
Sorry this blood of black is the one my friend is not letting out of his yard. he can sell the best of his red bird but never on this
tornado blacks.



http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214Br-1.JPG
THIS IS MY TYPE OF BLACK. IVE BEEN DEVELOPING THIS QUICKSILVER BLACKS QUIT A WHILE. HOPING THEY WILL BE TESTED SOON.
http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214new_brod.jpg

VELCRO FROM A GOOD FRIEND HIACEGAMEFARM. IF YOU WANT GOOD BLACKS TRY THIS VELCRO FROM DOMI CORPUS. HE GOT A LOT OF WINNING SUCCES ON THIS BLOODLINE.

BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL

[colt39]

Froggie, nice birds.



http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/500/120IMG00009.jpg

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/500/120IMG000081.jpg

[desertfire]

wickedfroggie many thanks anyhow maybe in the near future i`ll have your tornado who knows i`m just quite relentless:D i don`t accept no easily;) thanks again and goodluck sir.

buhawi thanks for the info

gentlemen i saw this pic on another thread i really like this one it looks awesome but i don`t know which line is this or whose breeding this here in philippines and in the U.S. any info pls. i want to have a fowl like this one. many thanks

[Bty Hunter]

We also maintain a family of Black Sid Taylors.. They no longer bear the crow black color and straight combed trait which are typical of the black sids, the breeder we got them from blended it already to compete for the long knife when we got them.. Only the hens would remain crow black most of the time. They are fast, smart and time their breaks deliberately

c:\Documents and Settings\roy\Desktop\My Pictures\Alitao- River Bounty\Alitao- River Bounty 055.jpg

[i_am_samX]

ylhatch,
tnx..wag na nating ilaban pasyal ka na lang sa min chickentalk tayo...


stag inside the pen

[Maning]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/lxfilipinoluvxl/papa/IMG_3938.jpg

This picture was forwarded to me by my buddy Banjo (Danilo V. Hinlo's son). There's no doubt that they have one of the best blacks that is being campaigned now in biggies in P.I.

[desertfire]

sir Maning nice looking stag which bloodline is this is this another mcrae or brownred? do they have any available like this?

and buhawi thanks for the info

i am sam hope to have one of your mcrae its nice looking fowl

Goodluck to all

[hiroundhead]

desertfire,tnx for admiring my gamefowl bro. for your info that black rooster that i posted is an offspring out of my BLACK MEL'S cross with my brassback/roundhead. bred him this year with his half sister and and a black MCRAE hen, offspring looking good. got some black stag and some brown red. will be testing them at 2 yrs. old. sorry none is for sale ( not in the business of selling fowl ) try contact MEL SIMMS for some awesome blacks.

[patusik]

@i_am_samx
ganda ng mcrae mo

i also go for black mcrae.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/angeli88/broodfowls/BMbroodstag.jpg

[buhawi]

looks like it shows the pumpkin color blood of redquill in mcrae

but redquill??????.........hmmmmmmm

they say........black mcrae composed of ........nigger roundhead and kelso blood........

some says........4 bloodlines in it........which william mcrae didn`t reveal.........must be a ........redquill:D

william kept also pyle roosters.

william had also kelso and roundheads.george wood and william were good friends and they exchanged lacy blood freely.

black mcrae...........is definitely one of the most explosive rooster in the world today.

[ylhatch]

maning,

sir any idea how much they are selling their (DVH) black stags?
t.y.

[wickedfroggie]

http://www.geocities.com/vash092k/T1.JPG

http://www.geocities.com/vash092k/T2.JPG

http://www.geocities.com/vash092k/T3.JPG
HERES ANOTHER BROOD COCK MULTI WINNER. ABOVE ARE
MULTIPLE WINNER OFSPINGS OF RUSTY TORNADO BLACKS

[wickedfroggie]

http://www.geocities.com/vash092k/t4.JPG

http://www.geocities.com/vash092k/t5.JPG

Tornado Hens Producing quality warriors

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/502/214Velcro_hen.jpg

Black Velcro Of domie corpus "hiacegamefarm"

ready for this coming season.

[talisayon/balaw]

crossed...blackhatchxbutcher= black butcher

[desertfire]

hiroundhead yeah i remember that it was you who posted that awesome black cock in one of the threads hope to have some from you in the near future as Xmas gift


wickedfroggie nice materials you have hope some of the offsprings in the near future

patusik meron pa bang kasama yang black mcrae mo?

talisaon/balaw yan na ba ang kukuhanin ko sa iyo
:D ok na ok yan blackbutcher mo sir?

so guys thanks a lot for posting here your blackfowls it`s all great hope to have

[I.C.F.]

Hi guys just want to share my new produce this year of my blacks...

I.C.F.

[I.C.F.]

Gin Pilem blacks...

I.C.F.

[embarcadero]

black is beautiful...

pre ok na ok to...sana maparami mo tong lines na ito pre...more power...

[island671]

very nice blacks that all of you posted


:D

[Taga_Cebu]

very good looking black fowls you have.

:)

[i_am_samX]

desertfire,
tnx..dont have pure to spare right now my mcrae just arrived last february..

patusik,
tnx...maganda rin macrae mo more on the red side nga lang ...may nakausap akong breeder na ang hinahanap nilang hen ay pula na mcrae...sa akin nglalabas ng pula at itim sayo ba??

I.C.F.,
beautiful...

mcraesweater stag....

[wickedfroggie]

VERY NICE LOOKIN BLACKS

BLACK IS BEAUTIFUL:D

KEEP POSTING

[El Español]

http://www.campoespanol.com/sitebuilder/images/Campo_Espa_ol_059-600x449.jpg

Rampuri X Wingate Grade at Campo Español

You guys sure have some fine looking black fowl. Best of luck to you all.

Regards,

[El Español]

http://www.campoespanol.com/sitebuilder/images/Rampuri-600x450.jpg

This one is 25% Rampuri, 25% Wingate and 50% Bacon Warhorse

This year's stag.

[ylhatch]

icf

nice stag u have there


amigo,

your fowls physical attributes are best for hackfights in the PI. tagalugin looks with killer genes!(pang harang!) gud luck guys!

[juan sabungero]

el español nice blacks you got in there man!


here's mine i don't know if i can call this black
his father and grand dad is. but he got yellow
leg though :lol:

http://www.info.com.ph/~otap/sabong/asil-shamo-hatch.jpg

[colt39]

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/500/120IMG000041.jpg

[buhawi]

jim,he looks like a tyranosaurus rex:D
really love these jap grades:)
awesome my friend.

[desertfire]

ICF
Sir, Bossing ang gaganda ng blacks mo baka naman me sobra ka diyan PM mo naman ako kahit cockerel lang please. Goodluck sa iyo sir

iam samx

Sir maraming salamat sa reply ninyo di bale sir pag dumami na yang mcrae mo cgurodao meron tayo diyan kahit cockerel lang goodluck.

talisayon

marami na po ba yung blackbutcher natin diyan? iipon muna ako ng pang offer:D

El espanol

nice fowls you have

and colt39

i always dream of having your brownreds ang black japs hopefully i`ll receive a pair this Xmas:rolleyes:

many thanks to all thanks for all the pics

[patusik]

@i_am_samx

sir ang gaganda ng mcrae mo san galing yan?

[louie1]

pssst.... ganda na ng black mcrae mo ah...

[i_am_samX]

el espanol,
nice stags..

colt69,
look at that face!awesome grey/jap..

juan sabunero,
i have an accidental breeding of mcrae-lemon84...yesterday 2 eggs hatch..both are yellow legs but blacks in color...

patusik,
bigsy sa kin yan ng friend ko sa california...nalaman kasi nya na mahilig ako sa blacks...

louie1,
prof louie kaw ba yan??kamusta na po kayo...pinaka-ingatan ko nga po yang mga mcraes na yan para paguwi ng ngbigay eh makita nya...post nyo naman pic nung mga magagandang mcraes nyo!hehehehe


kapatid nung stag na mcraesweater...

[jojo_c]

mel simm stag *jet black*



molt

[jojo_c]

and another


molt



:hombre:
:zippo:

[ylhatch]

jojo

hows the wiining percentage of your mel sims black

[sonny_padilla]

kakmate jojo you really have a nice looking blacks great body conformation and high stationed .

[jojo_c]

thank you boss sonny i hope they live though.
boss ylhatch i fought 1 and won as of now.




:hombre:
:zippo:

[jojo_c]

and another




:hombre:
:zippo:

[dennywh]

Here is One of our Brassback Blacks and a young 1/2 Mugg x1/2 spanish hen,I Hope to show these in the SK and Gaff, But would Imagine they could fare well in the Lk as well, they can get some air and are ACE ground fighters, from the North Briton Whitehackle in them, The Whitehackle cock that produced this black is a 4 time winner 2 in the Gaff and 2 in the LK 1st buckle every time. I also have this brassback cock bred back over his brassback mother to hopefully produce a line of these fowl. I have crossed this particular Whitehackle Cock the 4 time winner to 3 different hens and all have produced way above average fowl, fought 3 cocks of this breeding last season and all won easily. 1 cock was shown and won twice. He seems to nick on about anything I cross him to, I guess this is PREPOTENTCY in its prime. They pack power and Agility and cut fast and deadly. YFIS dennywhhttp://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/500/54schedual_069_2_-med.jpg

[dennywh]

Here is One of our Brassback Blacks and a young 1/2 Mugg x1/2 spanish hen,I Hope to show these in the SK and Gaff, But would Imagine they could fare well in the Lk as well, they can get some air and are ACE ground fighters, from the North Briton Whitehackle in them, The Whitehackle cock that produced this black is a 4 time winner 2 in the Gaff and 2 in the LK 1st buckle every time. I also have this brassback cock bred back over his brassback mother to hopefully produce a line of these fowl. I have crossed this particular Whitehackle Cock the 4 time winner to 3 different hens and all have produced way above average fowl, fought 3 cocks of this breeding last season and all won easily. 1 cock was shown and won twice. He seems to nick on about anything I cross him to, I guess this is PREPOTENTCY in its prime. They pack power and Agility and cut fast and deadly. YFIS dennywhhttp://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/500/54schedual_069_2_-med.jpg

[i_am_samX]

jojo_c,
gudluck sa mga sususnod na laban...balitaan mo kami...

dennywh,
nice one...

[P&R PROPERTIES]

sweater macrae

[dennywh]

This is some real good black blood, these have been bred more to compete in the gaff, but one of these crossed over a good rh and you should get awesome Lk fowl, as these quills make them birds reach , the fully extend them legs and pack a lot of power behind their cut. http://www.gamefowl.com/photo/data/500/7938my_fowl_pics_083__3_.jpg

[colt39]

http://www.steelgame.net/gallery/data/500/120IMG000021.jpg

[gamay 2]

redquill/hatch bullstag

[louie1]

pre ako nga...eto yung BC at mga anak. 1x winner na sila

http://www.sabong.net.ph/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=13176&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/CLFB/fmcraestag.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/CLFB/amcraestag.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v318/CLFB/dmcraestag.jpg

[tusiklang]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/balaw/blacks_3.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y144/balaw/blacks_4.jpg

[gamay 2]

one of the best looking blacks i have ever seen good luck w/it !!!! musta lang da ah !!!

[jojo_c]

nice... very nice cock tusiklang

my mel simm again

:hombre:
:zippo:

[patusik]

@tusiklang

nice black sir.

pirte ka tahum.....

[i_am_samX]

prof louie,
ganda naman nyan...kamukha ng mcrae ko ah(sabay ganun:lol: )...yung sa kin matagal pa masusubukan mga anak...ilang months nyo po nilaban yang mga yan...??

tusiklang,
ganda naman nyan nakakaingit...

[louie1]

13 months ng ilaban pre...sinubukan lang namin

[Bty Hunter]

P're super gaganda ng mga Blacks mo! well lahat ng manoks mo Super!:wink2:

[orion]

Sir are you looking for black as in black fowl i hope this one help you. we breed this in the Philippines and they come 80% black other colors are brownred and red.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/reyn_arel/royaljapsofbleedingheartsurgeonxblu.jpg

[ylhatch]

nice roosters you have there

[Taga_Cebu]

My black fowl... Boy Macasero line. :)

[rickeyh]

I like my black hatch birds.

[i_am_samX]

rickeyh,
what type of hatch is that??

[wickedfroggie]

http://www.geocities.com/vash092k/R1.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/vash092k/r2.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/vash092k/r3.jpg

ANOTHER BROOD COCK THAT PRODUCE ANOTHER

RUSTY TORNADO BLACK WINNERS.:D

[chrisjr]

I also got a black.....

Pang litson:D

[buhawi]

pison:D :D :D

[buhawi]

buhawi`s pison:lol:
boarding time.......calif
arrival..........manila

[ROM_PH]

Not a lot of cockers like black cocks. Some people say that are not game and some says they are too aggressive.

I love black just because I like it, I've been breeding it and has a high winning percentage with them. I've been trying to improve the bloodline by elimination process. That means the family that doesn't suit my taste, we cull them.

I tried crossing different kind of blacks: bonanza, black traveller or the nigger roundhead, crossed them with butchers, crossed them with ruble.

So far, this is the evolution of the Black Phoenix:

result of 1st generation breeding --> black bonanza x black traveller http://www.sabong.net.ph/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=10395&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

result of 2nd generation breeding --> 1st gen. x butcher
http://www.sabong.net.ph/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16611&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

http://www.sabong.net.ph/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=16614&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

result of 3rd generation breeding --> 2nd gen. x ruble

http://www.sabong-auction.com/item.php?id=1175

Anyway, this is a pure black out of the 2nd generation which is used as a broodcock right now, I intend to have a uniform color, body conformation and fighting style out of this line -->

http://www.sabong.net.ph/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19363&papass=&sort=1&thecat=500

However, I don't to claim its the best black until I really prove them in a big time derbies.

Rom Siquijor
Phoenix Firebird Gamefarm
GBBA/LGBA

[buhawi]

using blackhen over regular red cock will produce more uniform black male offsprings.........than using regular red hen with black cock....which produce mix of red and black male offsprings :cool:

[Bty Hunter]

BUhawi it depend also an the purity and strain of the Brood. We have a brood cock (sid) that NEVER threw off any other color other than black, be it a kelso hen , hatch or roundhead.. He's son would always bear semblance to him one way or another

[buhawi]

i thinky you`re right my friend;)

[wickedfroggie]

http://www.geocities.com/vash092k/r4.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/vash092k/r5.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/vash092k/r6.jpg
This one will go to my yard for seed stock.

[chrisjr]

THEY ARE BEAUTIFUL WARRIORS ....

ARE YOU SELLING THOSE COCKS ROM PH?

:)


OR DO YOU HAVE A HEN NA GANUNG LAHI?

[KELKER]

froggie, nice looking birds!!!

[wickedfroggie]

THANKS KELKER THAT BLACK IS ONE OF THE FINEST AND HARD TO

GET A HOLD. LUCKY TO MY FRIEND RUSTY THAT IS HOLDING THEM.

SO FAR ON HIS RECORD, HE TESTED 8 MONTHS OLD STAG AGAINTS

COCK, KILLED HIS OPPONENT QUICKLY AND THEY TEND TO SHOW

BETTER WHEN THEY GET OLDER..

GUD LUCK GUYS KEEP POSTING

[rickeyh]

They are Doc Robisons Hatch and they are pure blooding

[i_am_samX]

chrisjr,
i also have my blackline..

panglitson din!hehehehe

[nosi balasi]

are the green legged doc robinson classified as blacks? just curious have some though

[ylhatch]

rom ph

nice blacks you have there!

[chrisjr]

i think i got a better bloodline than you:D

[pumpkin hulsey]

the family of blacks that i have are d black bonanzas frm mayor bunoy of bay, laguna. we have had d bloodline 4 10yrs now and they've been winning 4 r buyers ever since. i\ve only infusd mclean 4 gameness and power. right now i also started infusing peruvian black blood and the offspring spar very well. I'm no sure whether the peruvian blood is asil or shamo but they are big chickens with good breaking ability. they are also fast for orientals. any body here familiar with the peruvian black blood?

[wickedfroggie]

I AM ONE OF THOSE COCKERS THAT LOVES BLACK BIRDS

IVE SEEN THIS BLACK BIRDS IN ACTION, MUGS THEY COME IN BLACK, RED, BROWNRED LOOKIN. BROWNREDS. SID TAYLORS. TEXAS RANGERS. BLACK BONANZA ETC...

LIKE BROWNREDS, THEY ARE FAST ACCURATE CUTTERS AND SMART BUT SOME OF THEM ARE QUITERS. YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR
THE GOOD ONE. SO AS OTHER FAMILY OF BLACKS.

BUT THIS TORNADO BLACKS, IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT GAMENESS, FAST AND ACCURATE, VERY SMART, AND THEY CUT IN ANY ANGLES.

IN CONLUSION, EVEN THOUGH THEY GOT GOOD RESULTS AND WINNING PERCENTAGE, STILL NATURAL TO LOSE ONCE IN A WHILE :D ATLEAST YOU SHOW 15-20 YOU LOSE 1 BUT STILL IS A GOOD WINNING PERCENTAGE.

KEEP POSTING guys.

[jojo_c]

u hit the jack pot there boss.perfect cock, sure wish to have one of those in my yard.




:hombre:
:zippo:

[chrisjr]

THATS AN EXCELLENT WARRIOR.

[i_am_samX]

chrisjr,
yang sayo pang tapa sa kin pang litson...

mcraesweaterpullet

[ROM_PH]

chrisjr,

The 3rd generation, we are selling and even in auction right now, because I won't have the chance to test them myself this season. Some site members got some for the stag season. Try to bid in the auction http://www.sabong-auction.com/item.php?id=1175 , maybe you'll get at a price of a 7 month, since starting bid is only P3,500. Most of them are 10-11 months na I suppose.

About hens, we usually cull them if they don't come-up pure black. But I'll check with my brother.

ylhatch,

thanks for the comment man!

[juggernaut]

. . . nice thread . . . i love blacks, too . . . :)

[desertfire]

this only shows that blacks are back in the pits many thanks guys for all your response to this threads with this i`ve come to know some people who are generous enough and are willing to share me their black fowls and that they`ve become my friends eventough we`ve not seen each other and i`ll try my very best to be their good friend too. hope you`ll continue sharing more of your inputs and experiences about this awesome black fowls.MABUHAY!!!

[desertfire]

black is back!!!:rbounce:

[Edward Catahay]

Once you try black you'll never go back!:lol:

[i_am_samX]

korek!kamay sa dibdib!:)

[ghetto_grappler]

I have got some black bonanza crosses added to my MELSIM line and asil line but it seems that the birds are a bit wild...Good fighters but wild when stags.....

[kogmohon]

ghetto blacks?... of course they are wild...:sprcool:

[juan sabungero]

boles black

i went this morning to my friend's farm and he shows me his treasured fowl-
a boles black hen bred from late totoy dela cruz' boles asils and from former
speaker ramon mitra

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3/juan007/bolesblackasil.jpg

[i_am_samX]

wow

[wildfoot]

But good enough - Double black = Triple shuffles

http://www.sabong.net.ph/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=33003

Wildfoot

[juan sabungero]

wildfoot nice black man !

[ghetto_grappler]

that rooster wildfoot is superblack but it looks like it does not stop kicking

[ROM_PH]

Chrisjr, Sonnyb65, Nick73,

I received a lot of request to sell my pure Blacks, so I decided to put one pure black broodstag on auction --> http://www.sabong-auction.com/item.php?id=1297

He is tall, good body conformation, red eyes, flyer, and no bill-hold.


Good luck na lang sa makakuha!


Phoenix Firebird Gamefarm

[hiroundhead]

www.sabong.net.ph/gallery/showphoto.php=32761&papas=&sort=1&thecat=500

[hiroundhead]

SORRY GUYS MESS UP ON MY REPLY, JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT PHOTOS ON REPLIES, PLS. HELP, WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IT. A BIG MAHALO TO ALL OF YOU.

[kogmohon]

witchdoctors, brown reds, texas rangers, mcraes are some of the famous breed that was brought to the philippines in the late fifties throughout the seventies. they were fast, aggressive and
deadly in the longknife. their popularity faded when they showed
sulking and quitting during fights. this fame and popularity was reinvented in the late eighties and nineties but in different color and likeness. now, they are showing signs of sulking and quitting.
is it time to reinvent the blacks...?

[ligas_paka2006]

black is beautiful as they say...i have sid taylors...:hat:

[edmcclaskey]

Black s, There are still a few familys of blacks here in america worth looking at for international compitition lk,
true they are hard to find because the good ones , are not for sale, The black birds are solid $gold$ in Hacks against sweaters ....... they are a lot more valuable in compitition, they get the odds. There are still a hand full of men in america holding the good black Roosters. remember the original black sid taylors come from kentucky.

[polegaff]

Ed, your letting the secret out. :)
Yep those of us that have been lucky enough to have very well bred black fowl, know that they wont sulk or quit. They do also get good odds.

[HAS]

Watch out for our Bonhokon Line :lol: kamusta diha Lee.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/has_cumfides/bonhokonline.jpg

[hope1126]

BLACKS:rbounce: :rbounce:

[joquin]

OUR BROWN RED/MUG CROSSED IS STILL A FORCE TO RECKON WITH WHEREVER WE FIGHT THEM. BLACKS ARE BEAUTIFUL!

[pitgods]

Once you go Black you'll never go back!!!:rbounce: :rbounce:

[kogmohon]

has...you got a good mama fixing some blackies...good luck my
friend...and go black....

ed...hacienda...yeah good blacks are not for sale...i have nine
families of blacks and none for sale...

[colt39]

One of the best cocks I ever owned.

http://www.friendinsport.com/gallery/data/500/Brownred-Jap.JPG

[kogmohon]

jim...thats a fearsome black...what is his weight?

[Super_Bayong]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/Super_Bayong/100_3225_0001.jpg


Unknown Bloodline

[Super_Bayong]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f177/Super_Bayong/100_3234.jpg

[WT AVALON]

I like blacks for Hackfight....

[oning_the_cat]

COCKMATES/ PLS DONT REVEAL OUR SECRET WEAPON MINE ARE BLACK BONANZA / TOMASON / ALABAMA / WINGATE / NEW BLACK HENNIE

[kogmohon]

hacienda...super nice blacks:rbounce:

[zrauloh]

Blacks are very scary on the first and second pitting. After that, if the opponent is still capable of attack, in my opinion, the black is at the disadvantage.

[G. McKenzie]

I posted two photos of brownred roosters that my father had great success with in the 60's and 70's. I posted on Dec 17, 2005. You can find them using the keyword "mckenzie". Thought the persons interested in this thread who like dark fowl might enjoy seeing these dark fowl of the past!

[colt39]

KOG, he weighs 5.9.


VL, you better think about camoing the Black in them or soon, you will not be able to get a decent bet on them,:D