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October 27th, 2003, 02:18 PM
If you were to miss having the proper amount of moisture on fight day, would you rather be too wet or too dry? Does the breed type (speed/power) affect how which side of wet/dry you you want to be on? I'm guessing that speed types need to be fed more moisture so if you miss you give up some speed while maintaining cutting. Power birds fed on the dry side to keep what speed they have while giving up some cutting. Thanks for any comments or inputs.
October 27th, 2003, 03:55 PM
Any time i would be on the too wet, than too dry... why? Simple when your bird is too dry, he will cut short. His legs usually does not extend out enough to cut deep enough, your chances of winning would simply be if your bird broke your opponent's knife leg on the first few buckles, but most of the time your bird is dead meat.
Being too wet affects your bird's speed and reflexes, and once he gets cut, blood flow out too much, but it won't affect his cutting. Anyway don't worry on getting your birds too wet, becoz as long as you feed corn and egg white soaked in water as your pointing feed on the day of the fight, you won't get in that situation of being too wet...
Overall your chances of winning in being too wet is far better than your chances if they are too dry...
Just my thoughts...
October 27th, 2003, 04:51 PM
What I can say is that if it the weather is to hot or hot I dont want to fight my bird dry and if the weather is wet or cold I see to it that my roosters are not to wet. The key is to regulate not to go to the extreme of things.;)
October 28th, 2003, 07:59 PM
Little bit wet is okay but if to wet wait until late in the afternoon to fight'um. If dry they going fight fast and not bleed but they going be cutting short and not reaching for the bird.
Just start making your feed and water adjustments one week out so on fight day you should be right on.
November 7th, 2003, 10:47 PM
I heard you can use cottage cheese instead of egg.
but egg is what i use
I would rather my rooster to be wet than dry for performance reasons posted above.
November 8th, 2003, 12:10 AM
As far as wet and dry, what are you refering to about the bird? and How does what you feed it effect this?
Sorry but I know nothing about this other than i have a week to learn whatever I can before i got all kinds of feathered chaos on my hands.
November 8th, 2003, 02:46 AM
When the moisture is to much he is sluggish but still cuts deep and when he is dry he is fast but cuts short.
to fix the moisture if it is to much you feed him corn to soak up the moisture in his body
to fix him if he is dry you put moisture in him as for say eggs they have moisture, and when he takes in the nutrients from that he has moisture.
moisture is a vary hard concept to grasp.
But by time anybody can learn it
November 8th, 2003, 03:05 AM
LoL well as for right now I dont have much time. but its logical that i'm not just going to learn everything in a week. I'll just keep my eyes peeled around the boards for more clues, until i can put it all together. Thanks.
I'm not sure that "cockers" here in Puerto Rico have the same techniques here that most on these boards seem to have. they have a simplicity. With what i learn from the people on this board, I have a feeling I can go far here. Like for what i see from around the neighborhood, they just keep their cocks in round cages 3 feet in diameter and 4 feet tall, made of chickenwire. They only come out for four reasons, sparring, fighting and brooding or health concerns. They are grubbin on the same feed the rest of the chickens eat, and are within a foot of two other cocks on either side, in lines of about 20 or so roosters. thats what i have seen so far here. The most complex thing I have seen here is a vetrinary facility dedicated to roosters. Thats all i have seen here so far. You could understand why i'd want to mix it up a little. Puerto Ricans like cock fighting, almost as much as they like gambling.
I also want to know if there is a place I can go to mail order birds, so far all the cocks I have seen here look the same. Thats pretty boring if you ask me.
November 8th, 2003, 05:16 AM
hi there! welcome to the site!
hope u will learn lots of things here like i do!!
gud luck on conquering puerto rico's cockfights!
peace man!! one love!
November 8th, 2003, 09:07 PM
They also say that if you can take their scat and mush it with just a little moisture than they are just right or if you can throw it against a wall and it sticks
November 8th, 2003, 10:26 PM
I too use to think that a finesse type cock had to be pointed a certian way and rough type cock pointed another way but, that is not true. one old haole man told me when asked this question hesitated and looked at me and said "Son, there is only one way to get a rooster ready, you want him to be at his sharpest when fight time comes." In other words style don't count.
November 9th, 2003, 03:25 AM
Okay so when you talk about wet and dry your talking about feces right?
November 9th, 2003, 04:18 AM
Moisture in a cock can be controlled through both the feed and controlling the water intake. Your gauge is the droppings and sometimes (for the experienced feeders) just the way the bird feels in your hands.
The weather also affects moisture in your birds. Generally, if the weather is dry, feed a bit wetter, and vice versa. But still watch the droppings
By watching the droppings, you are trying to gauge two things: one, is if your cock is too wet or too dry. Two, if your cock has already emptied out. Ideally, you would want to fight them empty and a little dry.
Dry so that they won't be sluggish and slow. Empty so that they can take the punishment given by his opponent.
Personally, I panick more if my birds are a little too wet than a little too dry --- only because I find it easier to add moisture than to take it out. This can be dangerous though because if they are way too dry, then they will no longer be on point. You will see that they have lost too much weight.
Moisture control is like a tightrope. Best way to learn these things is to go and condition a show with someone who knows what they're doing. Good luck.
November 30th, 2003, 11:00 PM
THIS IS AN INTERESTING TOPIC. WHILE WATCHING FIGHTS IN PUERTO RICO, I NOTICED COCKERS THERE PLUCK THE BIRDS ENTIRE BOTTOM AREA FROM THE CHEST BACK AND COAT WITH IDODINE. IN CEBU WHERE I HAVE MY FARM, WE DO THE USUAL FEATHER TRIMMING WITH MY PREFERENCE TO BATTLE TRIM THE BIRDS. FEATHERS? WEATHER? WATER?
TOO WET OR TOO DRY IS THE FINE LINE AND WITH LOTS OF VARIABLES. AGAIN, WHILE WAITING TO BATTLE, THE COCKS SHOULD BE EMPTY..........NO FOOD IN THE INTESTINAL TRACT.
IF YOU DONT KNOW THIS BY NOW, ASK ME WHY.
WE CONTROL IT BY USING BANANA.......ITS QUICK ENERGY, MOIST AND THE COCKS LIKE IT......SO WE PREFER "DRY" AND WE MOISTEN AS WE NEED TO. WATCHD THE EYES, WHATCH THEM BLINK. TOO DRY, THEY TELL YOU. GIVE WATER ITS NOT A PROBLEM. MY FAVORITE THOUGH, IS TO BOIL PEANUTS WITHOUT SALT.............YOUR COCK WILL TAKE ONE FROM YOU RIGHT FROM YOUR HAND WHEN YOU DROP HIM. WITH AN EMPTY INTESTINE, ANYTHING HE HAS AT THIS POINT IS PURELY PSYCHOLOGICAL AND FOR PURPOSES OF MOISTURE CONTENT.
THE DROPPINGS SHOULD BE ROUND AND FIRM. THE SMALLER LIKE B B S (*BEE BEES) THE BETTER............THATS CONDITION.
(WHILE IN THE HOLDING CAGE) ONCE YOU DROP IF THE DROPPING ARE MOIST.......ITS OK.........ITS THE ROUND FIRM DROPPINGS YOU WANT WHILE LOCKED UP. HOPE THIS H ELPS.
December 1st, 2003, 01:57 AM
Yeah...there is no substitute for that chest-out feeling(parang sasabog), vibrating leggs & over powering wings...those are the winning traits most of the time, you could see them win, wet or dry.
December 1st, 2003, 01:36 PM
the bottom line is quality bloodlines..........without them ya get no where fast. all the prep, all the shots, all the finesse isnt worth a fiddlers dam if you dont have the best quality money can buy..........
December 16th, 2003, 08:26 AM
If I had a choice I would rather go in just a lil too wet as opposed to too dry. A cock that is too dry will cut chort and also have a decreased flow of oxygen due to being dehydrated. this can cause everything from fever to muscle cramping that will cause him to cut short.
December 18th, 2003, 07:19 AM
Thanks for all the good responses. Banana Camp's response had me thinking about pointing out different types with the same goal in mind, getting them sharp as possible. I think the active, high strung birds with fast metabolism should go into the final pointing a little wet, their quicker metabolism should get rid of the excess moisture while cutting down the chances of going over point from drying out too much. The calm, less active can go in dryer since they won't get rid of moisture as quickly. Does this make sense or is it off base?
December 18th, 2003, 07:40 AM
ewaboyz, sorry this is off topic. do you still have cockfights during weekends at waianae (spelling unsure), at the west side of oahu? could you give us info about this. cockfight times and days; during raid, do the cops arrest only the three people in the pit or do they arrest everybody now?. need this info just in case someone or some of us might stop by at honolulu in the future. thanks a billion.
December 18th, 2003, 07:52 PM
Just remember if you just hacking you can do that cause you can control the time of the fight. Dime size is what I try to shoot for. select your #1 rooster and #2 rooster put them on the table. The rest keep dumping them at least every hour till dime size. Derby everybody at dime size from the get go. after first fight feed little bit (two raisens) every hour on the hour or whatever you hold your birds with about two raisen size + or -. Use your chicken instincs they should feel light and guts tucked in. just remember how he felt when you first picked him up in the morning on fight day before the first dump. as the feel.
Good Luck EwaBoyz
December 21st, 2003, 12:00 PM
Posting the info you requested is not a good idea, don't know who's reading the board. Visitors can have family/friends find out from local cockers. Sorry I can't be more helpful on this public forum.
Banana Camp - thanks.
December 25th, 2003, 07:04 AM
Ewa Boyz, If you see my Dad or Dayne during the holidays at the bulongaan tell them I said "HI". Mele Kalekimaka and Hauoli Makahiki Hou. And to all Sabongland, Peace Bruddah's!!!
December 29th, 2003, 05:54 PM
In my humble opinion. I'd rather be on the Dry side,because it is easier to correct by allowing him to have 2 dips of water or give him boiled eggwhite. Putting in moisture is easier than taking it out.
March 3rd, 2006, 12:11 PM
Very informative topic...need some more inputs..thanks :smoke:
March 3rd, 2006, 01:25 PM
best to fight them at right moisture but . . .
chosing between evils i choose little wet
that is for p.i. weather where i show my
March 3rd, 2006, 09:31 PM
Thatís the purpose of feeding your bird with either white egg and pellets or oatmeal to adjust body moisture contingent on the droppings. In extreme humid environment, I prefer to fight them a little bit wet to compensate for that expended moisture should the battle goes into a drag. Nevertheless, common sense will dictate otherwise when you feel that your feather warrior is On Point and ready to fight. Thus, wet and dry stuff should be ignored. The most important aspect is to hold the Sharpness and be vigilant when he is in the process of going down and the sign of Down Syndrome is eminent. My one centavo input.
March 5th, 2006, 10:47 AM
a bit wet for me
March 6th, 2006, 01:29 AM
I prefer my fighters to be on a little wet side before fight time...So that they be just about right come the show...;)
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