Which of the two Would you Rather Compete at (or simply watch) WSD or Candelaria?

[Kidd Sentencia]

Just a poll...and let's see whose getting more popular among the two.

[banderado84]

...eto mainit init pa heheh....kidd sa WSD shempre....iba ang dateng ika nga....mustaza dyan....:)

[salmingold]

candelaria....

di pa ako nakakanuod kasi..hehehehe

[balian]

WSD kasi dito lang ako sa metro manila. Yung ipapamasahe ko sa eroplano pa-candelaria eh pandagdag ko na lang sa pang-travesia dito sa Araneta ;)

[gamay]

wsd

[Kidd Sentencia]

FYI: In Candelaria, entrance and ringside seat is free for a balikbayan or an OFW--that is for the whole derby--5 days!

Kidd

[FORTBONIFACIO]

nice to hear that Bro. kidd, but I prepared wsd malapit na wala pang masyadong iintindihin, traffic lang:sprcool:

[edkiang]

Preng Kidd thanks for the information. At Araneta there is a no re-entry policy but a selected few can re-enter, I wonder why that is so? Also, no digital cameras and camcorders allowed inside, but when we were inside we saw a few selected people (non media) snapping shots with their cameras and camcorders rolling...why is there a double standard on their policy? Is this another example of the Filipino way of " palakasan "?

[Bty Hunter]

Para makakita naman ng kompetisyon ng pinakamamagagaling sa Vizaya's. Parang mas magandang mag-trabesiya sa Candelaria for a change. Yun nga lang malayo.:D

Bili ako ng DVD pareho this year! Mukhang maganda yung WSD , 6.5 points lang ang Champ. ibig sabihin magulo ang sabong, dahil malulupit lahat ng entries.:smoke:

[lindol]

imho wsd is the toughest long knife competition in the world. there are hardly any weak entries. in the candelaria if you are unkown, you could be matched into unknown entries in the eliminations and semifinals. in the wsd if you are unknown, you will be matched into jun santiago and other araneta regulars during the eliminations and semifinals. if i was after easier competition, i would join the candelaria. chances are, you will end up with a better score. or maybe even champion.

[GoldenDragon]

world slasher muna then candelaria.... cheers !!!

[wickedfroggie]

WSD--> maganda ang pag ka kuha ng video
CANDELARIA--> :lol: Pls. improve the camera handling and dont for get to cover some open area, kaya medyo di maganda pag ka kuha. he he he
Para sa camera man naman lol kailangan dala dala sakin sa puso ang likot ng kamay.:crazy:

[Kidd Sentencia]

If you've been to both, watched live, the comfortness and ease, the closeness of the fights in your face...aaaah, I wish WSD can be like Candelaria.

I mean buy a ringside ticket for WSD and what do you get/see? Unless you're a VIP....heheheh.

Kidd

[go lakers!]

WSD I JANUARY

[yanbuwarrior]

am from ILOILO kaya Candelaria and the Competion is tough!!!

[tusiklang]

Just an opinion on my end.. One has to factor in the no. of participants in these 2 derbies.. WSC has around 100 plus entries compared to Candelaria usually around 180 to 250 plus entries. Candelaria Management have to think about squaring big bets. They have to make sure that these well known breeders are matched with breeders capable of squaring the bets. Then in the finals quality fowls are the only once left to fite their way to the championship.

Preparing the roosters alone involve lots of money let alone entry fee of 42K. To say that lesser quality roosters will prevail is not true in Candelaria coz preparation and selection alone takes years. I will not join Candelaria if imy roosters are of lesser quality. Bets go as high as 3.5M. There were about 10 fites that bets were over 1M. Competitions are tough coz the roosters are quality and well prepared. Just a matter of whose lucky on those days. Well known breeders almost made it but not quite enough. The lesser "guys" winning over good opponents.
Added feature.. Viewing the fites in Candelaria is better than Araneta :)

CANDELARIA my vote...

Lindol... try joining Candelaria, you might face the lesser quality fowls and win 6M.

[francis conde]

Huh? Thats exactly the point... there are almost no "lesser quality " opponents in WSC. In Iloilo, among 350 entries, there are those "lesser quality opponents."

As the poll seems to convincingly show, most guys who have been to both events a lot of times, WSC is better, tougher.

[Emmanuel Aranda]

Pareng Kidd,


I`d go for the Candelaria!!! At Candelaria there are no controversial sentencia like the one between BM & JS. Everything is fair and square, besides we already heard a lot of unfair practices done at WSC. Just my humble opinion.


Mannyboy

[Emmanuel Aranda]

Cockmates,


There is no such thing as lesser quality gamecocks at Candelaria. Those who said this can bring their lesser quality birds and join, then we`ll see what happens!!! This cockpit is situated at the heart of the toughest cockfighting source in the country, mainly Negros & Iloilo. And correct me if I`m wrong but the gamebirds that comes from these places are the ones being fought at WSC, most of them.


Mannyboy

[linoj]

If WSC is better than the Candelaria event, the champion of WSC should join Candelaria like BM, but where is JS ?


Question; Where/Who we can buy the video of Candelaria ? Any inputs would be appreciate.

Thank You Guys,

[roundhead]

it seems to me that WSC is very controversial, I mean in terms of sportsmanship or it goes to say to each derby. one of my gripes are, how many entries can a group or individual be a part of without fighting their other entry? we got "thunderbird" this and that and the you have this and that "firefly", and after that you have etc etc whatever owned by certain individual. one example is the wcs 2004 part 2, it's like each and every entry is owned by 'boy lechon', that's what's written with the entry.

[tusiklang]

Francis.

Just an opinion again. The entry fee is 42K plus expenses in preparing, conditioning ang travelling the roosters total about 55k to 60k altogether.. would you enter a derby fielding lesser quality fowls with these expenses up front? I won't... Only the best fowls are selected at this stage.

Besides if the poll is mostly Ilonggos I'm sure they will show a different result.. Ditto to what Manny is saying.. These bigtime breeders in WSC use roosters from Negros whether they recognize it or not.. We know who they are but thats beside the point..

Try joining this derby it might change your perception.

[Emmanuel Aranda]

Linoj


You can buy your copy of the Candelaria from Nonong Delicana aka `Banate. His email address is Ad3video@aol.com, I think the copies of 2005 are available this week.


Mannyboy

[linoj]

Thanks a lot to Emmanuel Aranda..

[felisa]

well for me it is no brainer of course CANDELARIA but in fairness to the general cocking world, WSD is really tough and it is a derby where money is not the issue. Almost everybody can afford to buy the best from the best breeders all over the world. and also since ARANETA col. is the biggest cockpit in the whole world, there is no argument that you can claim that this is the most promoted derby in the whole world too. If only manila is closer to the visayas area and they will allow or make this cup open to everybody then maybe this will have also like 200 entries all the time. Candelaria is already a tradition and i think in 2 years they will celebrate theier 40th year anniversary and to think that the aranetas themselves before tried to break this tradition apart but maybe with the blessings of our Lady of Candles, it is still going strong and i don't how long though.Kidd is right that if you are watching candelaria from the ring side you feel that you are one of the big timers too since you can rub elbows with the bigtimers and unlike in araneta where you can have a ring side seat but still you feel like you're too far away from the actual fight. watching the wsc video, VERY BORING since almost all the entries and the fights have the same entry names and owners. very confusing and it seems they're the only ones doing the exibition. Also toughness of the fight? it depends. If i will do my selection for wsc, it will not be the same style of fight from the ones i will use in candelaria. The style only in wsc is rapapap style and just keep it coming and that's it. but in candelaria, you think your cock is winning without a scratch and all of a sudden it is saying goodbye to the whole world. keep on cybercocking.

[Pinolim]

Whoever says the roosters in the Candelaria are of lesser class or quality compared to the WSC is not really well informed of what it takes to win in Candelaria. During the elimination rounds many big time names who join the WSC get their roosters licked by "backyard breeders" from Iloilo and Negros. You might say by mere luck? No way, because it is the backyard breeders who are more dangerous because you will have no idea what kind and style of roosters do they bring and for sure it will also be selected from the cream of the crop. There are about 170 entries and if each entry starts with average 100 finely selected roosters and ends up with the final 8 imagine how tough the competition will be. And this selection is only from backyard breeders who produce about 200 cocks average per year. What about the breeders from Negros and Iloilo who produce thousands per year and select only the final 8. Is it not tough? Established U.S. breeders who have carved their names in the WSC shake their heads when they got their roosters licked by an unknown backyard breeder and most of their losses are not even that close, they are outroostered, outstyled and outgamed by these "backyard breeders".
These "backyard breeders" doesn't give a damn about anybody's roosters whether they are direct import from the U.S. or from Neptune and Pluto. These backyard breeders are out to prove that their roosters can whup any big name, imported roosters in the Candelaria.
Regarding the quality of the pictures? It's to the individual interpretation. For me, the Candelaria captures not only the roosters' fight but also the human emotions that come with the winning and the losing. Watch the facial expression of the referee when he lifts the roosters to peck, watch the manager attending to the tight pecking counts and watch Nene Abello squirming and clinching his fists in his championship fight as his rooster is hit by its opponent................. That is human emotion at its best!!!!

[SALVAJE]

I always want to complete where I know most of the people that I am competing against. It is more gratifying to beat the people you know. I know this sounds funny, but tell me deep inside, that you feel like pumping your chest and crowing when beating somebody that you know all your friends know too. Oops it sounds complicated again. What I mean is if you grew up in Manila, and learned your sabong stuff there, the WSD is the one for you. Think about beating your idol in your in your champoinship fight and then raising that throphy in front of all the people that you know. Oh it gives me goose bumps. Now if you will be joining the Candelaria, you propably will not know the guy you are matched against. If you are from the south, then it will be the opposite. You propably were dreaming about being in the pit in Jaro since you were a littel boy, and now that you have made your dollars in the states, it is now your time to beat the big boys.

As for the quality of the birds being shown, I think they are equally though. I have not been to Iloilo, but I have compeated in a number of derbies in Bacolod, and trust me, what you may consider a small derby in Manila, will be very tough to win there. It seems that everybody has good birds. I also believe that the WSD was designed to be the centerpiece of NCA group of cockers and and not intended to be for the general public to join, that is why one has to be OK'd by a member before one can join or that used to be the practice anyway. That is also why they made the entry fee and minimum bet so high, P55000 and P33000. I think the organizers wanted this derby to be for their group and a select few only, but since the peso took a down turn, ordinary people that make their money elsewhere can now afford this derby if they save enough. My opinion only folks, pls do not crucify me.

Salvaje

[TOTI]

I enjoyed reading the last 3 posts. I wish all the others I read in this site had the same depth and clarity.


For the last 2 decades, I have been a regular observer and vicarious competitor at both events. Friends and relatives have competed in both so maybe my observation may be as qualified as those above.

No doubt, both are tough. WSC seems a notch more prestigious. Number of entries, to me, does not connote a higher level of competitors. In fact, one can argue that it diminishes the perception if not the reality. I have seen entries in Jaro that I could never imagine seeing in Araneta. Entries having same owners in WSC may be erroneous. People put in the other names to avoid clashing with friends. Or, its also likely that due to the astronomical entry fees and bets, one needs to form partnerships and alliances. I can only surmise that one needs millions to procure those imports and lodge those American breeders in the ploshest of accomodations, at times for over a month.

For Ilonggos, Candalaria is the main event as Mr Salvaje so aptly put it. For everybody else, like me ( my Ilongga wife and in-laws may kill me for this), WSC is the REAL DEAL.

[joey bravo]

:lol:

My vote: WSD

[Bayani]

Kidd Sentencia,
Candelaria ako. But pls sama mo naman ang 'Araw ng Dabaw' kase ito ang labanan ng mga taga-mindanao at marami ding dayo.:sprcool:

[Kidd Sentencia]

For me this is like which one is much better to drink...Tequila or Scotch? You have to have experienced both (been there even just to watch--live) to qualify to say something.

I like WSD...on DVD only, hehehe.

Kidd

[Kenut]

Candelaria - 38 years. Sabong institution na ito.

Pero talo pa ito kung premyo lang pinag babasehan kasi 8 Million ang guaranteed sa Araw ng Davao. Pag ganito ka laki ang prize money eh sigurado namang super lahat ng sasali.

Subali t sa Prestige at Dating, wala ng tatalo sa WSD sa Araneta.

[stupid_crook]

CANDELARIA

Crowd comes from all walks of life! U can start with a hundred peso bet and bring home some bacons! bwehehe..

[Bayani]

sa "Araw mg Dabaw" garanteed ang pa premyo 8M at 18,000 lang if you join sa elimination at plus 15,000 if you qualifity. this is an advantage if yur planning to field in lots of entries kung talagang atat kang lumaban sa finals. and a chance for the backyard breeders to join. so its anybodies cup. but stil advantage talaga kung marami kang entries.:teeth:

[nonong]

Obviously, Candelaria ang choice ko. Maliban sa nagpo produce ako ng video nito ay malaking tradition ito sa mga Ilonggo na sabungeros. Sa popularity seguro sa mga cockers ay mas lamang ang WSD dahil nasa Manila ito pero kung sa mga breeders naman ay hindi matatalo ang Candelaria.

Prestige? Paano matatalo ang Candelaria e ito ang pinakamalaking basihan ng breeding ng mga Ilonggo breeders lalo na yong mga taga Negros na ang karamihan sa mga manok nila ay ginagamit sa malalaking derbies sa atin. Mas malaki ang na contribute nito sa pag-asenso ng sabong sa ating bansa.

Quality of the fights. Sino-sino bang mga nag champions na sa WSD? Correct me if I am wrong pero kasama seguro sina Patrick Antonio, Tony Trebol, Nene Abello, Danding Cojuanco. Si Congressman Albano yata isa rin sa mga nag champions e. Dicky Lim pati at si Sonny Lagon. Si Tony Trebol yata naka tatlong sunod-sunod pang nag champion sa WSD e sa Candelaria noong 1970's pa yata siya nanalo. Si Nene Abello ilang beses ding nag champion sa WSD sa Candelaria naman noong 2001 lang at pagkatapos niyan palagi nang nai-elimate ang entries. Maliban pa kay Danding Cojuanco yong iba ay hindi naman nag champion sa Candelaria. Ang manok pala ng WRV na isa sa 2 champions sa Candelaria last year ay nabili kay Nene Abello pero sila na ang nag condition nito pero puwede ring ma credit kay Nene Abello ang panalo.

Pero noong sa Makati pa ako nagtatrabaho ay perfect attendance din ako sa WSD kaya malapit din ito sa puso ko. Palagi ko itong inihahambing sa tennis, yong Candelaria ay parang Wimbledon at ang WSD naman ay US Open.

Siempre meron palaging darkhorse at ito ang Araw ng Dabaw na inihahambing ko naman sa French Open kung sa popularity sa grandslam tennis ang pag-uusapan. Kung sa quality lang ng labanan ay hindi na ito pahuhuli pa. Iko-cover ko rin ang video nito pero sa semi-finals at finals lang. Kaya humanda ka Bayani at baka ma close-up kita kung makita ka ni utol sa audience :).

Video coverage naman, naku po e inihambing pa yong production ko sa production ng Araneta. Ang kaya ko lang i-hire na videographer e mga maliliit lang na kasalan at birthday parties ang kino cover. At maliban pa riyan si Chito Tinsay ay hindi binibigyan ng priority ang video coverage at sa set-up ng Iloilo Coliseum ay hindi puweding gumamit ng tripod dahil masisipa lang ito ng mga taga pusta. Ang maipagmamalaki ko lang ay yong mga umo-order ng video ko ay yon pa ring dating mga suki. Nagpapasalamat ulit ako sa mga suki kong ito sa walang tigil ninyong pagtangkilik sa pinapalabas ko.

Kung nasa Pinas kayo, March 8 - 20 sa Davao ang magandang puntahan dahil idadaos niyan ang 7-cock Araw ng Dabaw derby.

Goodluck na lang sa lahat.

Nonong

[Maning]

I have witnessed the WSD, and the Candelaria, and both events are truly worth to watched; there is no doubt about that. It's only the persons choice if he would go on both derby or just simply ( either Araneta or Iloilo Coliseum) go to the nearest one.

Now, if i would compete, i would consider which of the two events i will win more money, with less capital ( I would set aside any prestige if their is any) I would most likely choose the Candelaria derby because of the prize money, rather than the WSD.

CANDELARIA DERBY: are participated by 180-200+ entries from Batanes to Tawi-Tawi plus foreign participants. This derby is held once a year. The participants sometimes don't know who they are against unless they read the fight schedule that states the name of the owner of each entry. The Pot money for this 7-Cock derby is 42,000 pesos. There is no minimum bet. Usually the prize money reaches up to 8 million+ pesos. There are some consolation prizes ( i.e., any four straight wins and any six points) and the champions prize. A very well known participant that bets big ( nine figures) are matched against the same caliber participant that bets almost the same or a well known breeder so the center can easily be squared off with the help of crowd bettors.

WORLD SLASHERS DERBY: are participated by less than a hundred entries. Participated by bigtime ( as always published in gamefowl journals) names in sabong world and foreign participants too. This is an 8-cock event, 55,000 pesos capital with a minimum bet of 33,000 pesos, including some consolation prizes. Most of the participants are the same people that fight regularly in the Metro Manila area ( kung sa MAJONG pa the the same Qurom). The well known big bettors are matched. The owners, handlers and gaffers see each on regular basis derbies in MM. You can even see a lot of same name of entries, so that they won't fight each other.

When we will consider the poll, the WSD won by a landslide over the Candelaria derby, why? My guess is that most of the people who voted for the WSD are people who just witnessed it, and didn't witness the Candelaria derby, (for people who witnessed both are excluded) or people who didn't even witness both and just depend from the sabong media that publicized or covers the WSD more than any derbies in the Philippines.

If i'm wrong with my assumption, please don't crucify me as what had SALVAJE said :)



maning

[Kidd Sentencia]

Mas masarap manuod sa Candelaria...subukan nyo po.

Kidd

[Touchdown]

Sir Kidd,
sa susunod pwede bang makisabit sa inyo kung manonood kayo muli sa Candelaria ng '07?after this vacation ko this yr.sa '07 susunod.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Pwede pareng Touchdown...welkam ka siempre.

Kidd

[Touchdown]

Thanks Sir Kidd,
Mai-set na nga sched sa '07.Ayus makakapunta na rin ang tao sa Iloilo.

[dagat]

I think i have to agree w/ Maning, sa WSC there to many entries that have the same entry name so automatically no fight. Imagine how many Firefly, t-bird, jimafer, binangonan.......
I enjoy watching wsc 04 on dvd but to join, i think ill rather be in candelaria.

I have one question to ask regarding this 2 derby. Alin ang mas maraming nanalong dehado sa wsc or in candelaria?

[felisa]

igan dagat, itong last na candelaria ay kung maka timing ka sa dehado ay lamang doon ang dehado and sa finals and sa gabi na ay halos puro dehado na lang kaya lang pag dating sa tawagan ay llamado ang dehado. i think mga 15-20 dehados and biktima din kami dahil llamdo kami sa last fight namin. minsan nga hindi na tumitingin ang mga tao and tawag na lang ng dehado. also dahil sa quality ng mga manok ay maraming giant killers doon na dehado and ilang beses akong naka 7 hits na dehado bago natalunan. minsan maski llamado and naging dehado ay tinatayaan ko and nanalo.

[Kenut]

All of my cocker-friends dream of winning WSC.

[Bayani]

Nonong,

tnx a lot for that very nice point:sprcool:

[dagat]

Felisa,
Salamat sa info sir, Dapat pala lugar ang regla dito hindi llamadao - dehado.
May isang tanong pa po ako, Iyong mga nag champion sumali na ba sa WSC?

[dong1967]

1.WSD

[felisa]

maraming nag champion sa candelaria ang nakasali na sa wsd but itong mga latest ay i think hindi pa or maybe hindi lang natin alam. but maraming champion na diyan na regular sa wsd. i think karamihan ng mga breeders and cockers sa visayas ay hindi sumasali doon dahil pag sumali ka ay ang problema ang logistics dahil dapat may lugal ka doon dahil ang sabong doon ay may gap ng one day and also kung swertihen ka ay mabigyan ka lang ng stall sa cockhouse mo. isa pa ang wsd ay by invitation lang yata and kung walang padrino ay hindi ka makasali. still more fun to watch ang candelaria and nilulumot na ang mga dvd's ko ng wsd. same parehas lang all the time. keep on cybercocking.

[kikoman]

Dream ko na makasali sa pareho pero bilang sabungero, iba ang dating at prestige ng WSD.

[desertfire]

sa candelaria,quezon
dun na lang po ako:D (dyok,dyok,dyok :D )

[San Vicente]

Ung mga taga LUZON gusto WSD at

ung mga taga Visayas & Mindanao sa CANDELARIA ........

Amen....................................

[ehtibak]

Candelaria is my choice to compete.. i think WSD is to high class for me... betting wise...

[Eddie go]

WSC or WSD, then Candelaria. I watch WSC 2005 and a lot of people do but I cannot find any contro " kontroberyal " about that particular fight between JS and BM.

[bna_talimbabaga]

kung manonood lang naman ang pag-uusapan ay pareho ko gusto ang Candelaria at WSD. pagdating naman sa excitement ng panono-od i prefer Candelaria kasi hindi nakakasawa ang mga mukha ng mga sumasali. may datihan, may bago. may kakilala,may hindi. kaya di mo alam kung sino-sino ang mga makikita mo. sa WSD kasi ang mga mukha halos ganon pa rin, ang inaabangan ko na lang ang mga bagong dayo mula sa este -eyts.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Kungdi ka VIP sa WSD/Araneta eh ang hirap ng seating...medyo malayo kahit ringside na ang ticket mo. Then kung lalapit ka naman sa ruweda, sa floor ka na lang tatayo, kailangan eh 6-footer ka para maganda view, hehehe.

Ako eh di pa nakakaupo sa VIP section nito...nor sa anumang VIP room ng nasabing lugar or pasabong.

Kidd

[Bin Lagim]

Kidd,

Candelaria ang pick ko dahil open to all Sabungeros, no matter who you are, small-time or bigtime, you are welcome, feel at home ka pa.
In there, we can fell the essence of sabong - NO much Politics.

WSD ???... It's boring....... We'll, i still love to watch the fights, at home, in DVD's with friends and of course with cold beer and pulutan....

Yes, please include "Araw Ng Dabaw", its tougher nowadays, para naman sa mga kababayan nating taga-Mindanao... Kagaya ko...;)

Cheers,

[RockHandsome]

kidd
I voted for both 'cause I like them both. Regards.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Between the two eh merong mga WSD stalwarts ang hindi pumapasok sa Candelaria...pero mga Candelaria eh pumapasok sa WSD...;)

Kidd

[RockHandsome]

kidd
I've watched Candelaria derby from Dvd too. Their as good as WSC. The only thing though is the Mc, I like him better than Emoy. Now don't get me wrong Emoy and Boy is good too but they're more on the funny side than the other guy. I like the serious type better.

[renne211]

Cockmates,
Just reading the response of fellow gamefowl afficionados has provided me an insight on how biases and the old tradition of tribu-tribu system (regionalism) pervades our colorful world of cockfighting.
Some sectors mentioned the steep entry fees and minimum bets in Araneta and others crow about the quality and fairness in Candelaria. If I may add my two-cents worth of opinion, why not make it a level playing field.
Prior to announcing the derby dates on these two places (why not include Davao?) there should be an elimination round conducted for various regions in the country. Example, in Region I, there should be 4 or 5 entries after the elimination bouts in that region. The best 4 or 5 cockers for every region can participate. If we have 13 regions, that means a minimum of 65 entries. Then, the best ten placers of the previous derbies will be seeded in the competition meaning that these farms will have one entry each. Taht makes a total of at least 75 entries. Then invite the gamefowl breeders from outside the country (Mexico, Malaysia, Guam, USA etc.
Elimination round for every region should be announced so that even if I am from the NCR, I can compete with the best of the best from Ilocos. If my gamefowls win in the Region I eliminations, it means that wala silang binatbat sa galing sa Manila. However, if I lose, it means that they do have the best gamefols for that region.
There would be no palakasan since sa wlimination round pa lang, dadaan sa butas ng karayom. The big-time breeders can now hold their heads up high or bow in shame when they compete with the backyard breeders.
Even if you're a bigtime breeder, tipong mahihirapan kang makalusot kung mahina ang manok mo.
Come derby time in Araneta or Candelaria or Davao, we will see who will be crowned the cream ot the crop.
Just a suggestion.

renne211

[Kidd Sentencia]

I miss them both already:(

[Balasobas]

;)

[jimene7985]

:)
BOTH ARE PRESTIGIOUS EVENTS
THEREFORE WORTH WATCHING
AND PARTICIPATING!

[hard_to_kill]

try to watch 2006 candelaria sa wabongworld results tiyak malilibang kayo for free bigatin din ang ang mga kalaban.

[banate]

[lemon_84fan]

i will go for candelaria ,

ive watched WSD a number of times already and they have the same participants over and over again. sabi nila sa candelaria dawyung mga small time breeders with qty birds are given a chance to show thier wares. see you in 2007 candelaria.

please tell me the dates mga sirs para naman maka pag leave na sa office ngayon pa lang.


thanks

[lemon_84fan]

Sir Banate

8 cock derby po silang 3

thanks

[ugis1]

if given the chance ill watch them all!

[Yo Betty!]

Candelaria is better and tougher. WSD is more of a show case and palakasan. Jun Santiago always match his roosters to the class "C" during the elimination rounds to make sure he gets into the finals. In, Candelaria, they use different approach in matching birds against others based on "pusta" but this doesn't mean that their birds are not at par w/ the big boys. Hindi uso sa Candelaria ang salitang "nag-BABAKA SAKALI" pagdating sa laban. People here start selecting their prized fighters right after the Candelaria Derby!

[Kidd Sentencia]

Lots more flavor sa Candelaria...heheheh, maraming sahog kaysa WSD;)

[nephtaly]

Sir Banate, is it the cost of the pot or entry fee or it is participated by both local and american breeders as well. havent watched these events personally so im just guessing. maybe in the near future hopefully.

neph

[Kidd Sentencia]

Pareng Nonong, ang common nila siempre eh silang mga biggest derbies ng Pinas...hehehe. Daanan ko na lang yang DVD ko :lol:

[nephtaly]

eto uli baka tumpak na he he. All of these three derbies are held in the Philippines. Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao

neph

[banate]

Lemon84fan, WSD lang ang 8-cock derby. Yong Candelaria at Araw ng Dabaw ay 7-cock derbies lang :).

Pareng Kidd at Nepthaly,

Ngayon ko lang nabasa ulit ang question ko at hindi ko pala nabahig ito ng tama. Ang gulo kasi ng ina-anak mo pareng Kidd dahil nakikipag-agawan na sa akin sa computer. Na diskubre kasi yong Noggin.com na para sa mga bata e. Burahin ko na muna yong post ko pero bibigyan ko rin kayong dalawa ng video. Puwede mong puntahan bukas at nandito lang ako sa bahay sa gabi. Paki email na lang ng address mo Nepthaly para mapadala ko yong mga discs.

[nephtaly]

Wowieee, maraming salamat:) I cant wait to watch it. Email ko na lang address ko agad. Thanks a lot uli.

neph

[WT AVALON]

Para sa akin pareho... nangaling na rin ako sa Candelaria,
libre sa gate pag Overseas worker or maipakita kang ID na
galing ka sa Abroad... WSC, may bayad, at malapit lang kong
sa Metro-Manila ka nakatira... cheers...


Yfis...

[Kidd Sentencia]

Pareng Nonong/Banate, 3 boys na future sabungeros siguro ang mga siblings nyo ni mare...youngest yung inaanak namin ng ibang pare natin na bibo talaga, hehehe.

Etong mga darating na holidays, thanksgiving, kung meron tayong mga panahon pare parehong mga taga Carson at karatig pook eh kitakits tayo...kahit ako ang host, hehehe.

Duon na lang ang panuod natin ng DVDs...di ba pareng Noel, ayos ba din yan sa iyo?

[DINOPATANI]

opinion lang......

si JS kaya di sumasali yan sa Candelaria............ kasi malayo at di sya feel at home, he-he-he, kahit sabihin nating Ilongga si Miriam........

anader ting is, mabigat kalabanin ang mga small time backyard sa Iloilo, e di lalo na sa mga big names sa Negros at iloilo.........

kung waiz kang tao, syempre dapat lamang ka palagi para pasok sa finals, he-he-he........kaya ganyan ayaw niya sumali sa Candelaria..........

sa WSC at WSD kasi, kaya niyang diktahan ang mga gumagawa ng matches para di siya mapalaban sa mga bigatin........... para malaki palagi ang tsans na makapasok siya sa Finals.......... we-he-he...........

Sa Candelaria kasi, walang sinomang siga o sikat na pwedeng maka dikta sa mga sentensyadur............ Fair Game lahat doon........ di sila takot kahit sa presidente ng Iraq, bwe-he-he.........

Sa WSD at WSC, ibang sitwasyun ang mga sentensyadur doon......... kelangan kilalanin si panginoon.......... aderwaiz, mawawalan ka ng hanapbuhay......... kaya maraming mga referees decision ang controversial at may ilan pang garapalan talaga..........

isang magandang halimbawa sana niyan ay kung manok ni Col. Hermosura ang makabangga nila, at gumawa sila nang hiwaga sa sentensya.......... para malaman nila akung ano ang kahihinatnan pagkatapos......... bwe-he-he...

WSC and WSD is good.............but the BEST is Candelaria......... 40 years is proof of that......

[mj_cool69]

WSC although magagaling din ang manok sa candelaria i'm not satisfied with the sentenciador.......just finished watching candelaria 2006.

[WT AVALON]

Dalawang beses na akong pumunta sa Candelaria at nag entry nitong naka-raan derby, at every year nanonood ako diyan sa WSC, halos parehas lang,
sa Candelaria kong overseas worker or balikbayan na may picture ID libre,
walang bayad sa gate, sa WSC may bayad, pero kong taga Luzon or Metro
Manila ka mas covenient dito sa WSC... my vote... draw... even... parehas lang... mabuhay kayo mga kasabong...


Yfis...
www.carsonfarm.com

[Kidd Sentencia]

Kung di ka VIP sa WSD, kahit ringside ang ticket mo eh mangangalaite pang leeg mo sa kapapanuod...ang hirap makita ng laban. Kaya nga sabi ko eh mas magandanag panuorin na lang sa DVD ito, hehehe.

Sa Candelaria, bukod sa libre na balikbayan, maraming araw pa, eh mas comfortable ka pang nanunuod, sa ringside or wherever ang tawag duon...lower box yata.

sa parteng laban eh p'rehas na yan sa akin...kungdi yung sa Wala eh yung Meron, hehehe.

minsan tabla din

[Budol_Budol]

hindi ba pwedeng dalawa? mag kaiba naman ng date ang mga iyan....para walang samaan ng loob o di ba?....he he he he. ngayon kung gusto nyong libre sa eroplano humanap kayo ng ninong sa PAF libre ang pa puntang Cebu yon nga lang tiis muna kayo sa C-130..he he he he.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Tsans pax ka sa PAF C-130? nakupo...kapit kang mabuti at mala-sardinas yan sa puno;)

[DINOPATANI]

kung di rin lang magka dikit ang petsa ngayong January 2007, mas maganda kung mano-od ka muna ng WSC o WSD ba yun?........... then, mag BUS ka na lang, either from Cubao o Pasay........... by ro-ro via Mindoro and Aklan........... then to Iloilo.

Candelaria 2007 starts on Jan 29, 30,31,Feb and Feb 2............... meron ka pa time mula Luzon, daan ka muna sa Boracay, nye-he-he............ bago deretso sa Iloilo........ yan seguro ang KOMPLET BAKASYUN sa mga swerteng maka uwi ng maaga next January..........

[rumpelstiltskin]

I have witnessed both derbies. To the the ilonggos candelaria is the most prestigious but to most Filipinos who are not ilonggos the WSC is the best. But to me both are equally prestigious.

There are pros and cons. The pros of the Candelaria is that most ilonggo" balikbayans' almost make a vow or "panaad" to join the derby annually and bigtime breeders from negros who join make the candelaria more exciting.
The cons is that there are lesser quality entries as long as you have the money for the entry fee and the minimum bet.


The pros of the WSC is that most participants are professional cockers and handlers who participate regularly in big time derby circuits and the WSC is always an international derby with participants from the US. The handlers are the best in the cocking world in the WSC.
The cons is that the name of the entries are almost the same under one owner.

[banate]

I have witnessed both derbies. To the the ilonggos candelaria is the most prestigious but to most Filipinos who are not ilonggos the WSC is the best. But to me both are equally prestigious.

There are pros and cons. The pros of the Candelaria is that most ilonggo" balikbayans' almost make a vow or "panaad" to join the derby annually and bigtime breeders from negros who join make the candelaria more exciting.
The cons is that there are lesser quality entries as long as you have the money for the entry fee and the minimum bet.


The pros of the WSC is that most participants are professional cockers and handlers who participate regularly in big time derby circuits and the WSC is always an international derby with participants from the US. The handlers are the best in the cocking world in the WSC.
The cons is that the name of the entries are almost the same under one owner.

For Ilonggo sabungeros, joining the Candelaria derby is a dream come true. That's why most of them before would try to put up an entry even though their fowls are not at par with the competition. But with the stiff increase in entry fee and minimum bet a few years ago virtually nobody is doing this practice now.

Good thing that is going on with the Candelaria is that so many Ilonggo sabungeros are based in abroad now. They may be far now from home but their passion to join the derby remain the same. Most have set up gamefarms in their hometown where their quality imported broodfowls are being developed by their experienced farmhands into topnotch fighters. For me this is one big factor that make the Candelaria derby much tougher to compete nowadays.

Every year the quality of competition dramatically improves. Those who regularly watch the video could attest to this development. We can say that that is hard to surpass but I am sure next year will be much tougher and exciting.

[Kidd Sentencia]

Those who have seated on the ringsides...it's no match, comfort wise...Cande of korz.;)

[VMT^Carmen]

Just a poll...and let's see whose getting more popular among the two.

i was fortunate enough to be an audience to both..
as an aficionado..

i would go to Candelaria..weight per weight.

[Kidd Sentencia]

The rumors could be true...baka magkasabay, hehehe.

[walsgrave]

how do you see yourself as a fancier?

[Kidd Sentencia]

It does not matter...vacations are too short, even life is--to pay attention to such, hehehe.

imho

[devonloch]

Nagkatotoo na yata,nakapaskil na duon ang ads sa ARANETA Coliseum:( :p The rumors could be true...baka magkasabay, hehehe.

[walsgrave]

the fiesta/derby is celebrated once a year
and chito is not having it heavily advertised..people just shows up. part of a cirdian rhythm...

on the other hand,

wsc is a biannual event
nothing much to worry about if you missed the bus,i suppose, there is always the next one a bit later


as to myself?? i am just happy to have the chance of lighting another candle and be thankful for the blessings over the troubled year

[riverbam]

pupunta sana ako ng candelaria para manood. pero hindi natuloy, sayang first time sana ako makakita ng fyts ng candelaria... sa dvd nalang ako manood, hehehe:D

"joe d phil" pit senyor entry good luck!!!

[Malaysian Blade]

Just an opinion on my end.. One has to factor in the no. of participants in these 2 derbies.. WSC has around 100 plus entries compared to Candelaria usually around 180 to 250 plus entries. Candelaria Management have to think about squaring big bets. They have to make sure that these well known breeders are matched with breeders capable of squaring the bets. Then in the finals quality fowls are the only once left to fite their way to the championship.

Preparing the roosters alone involve lots of money let alone entry fee of 42K. To say that lesser quality roosters will prevail is not true in Candelaria coz preparation and selection alone takes years. I will not join Candelaria if imy roosters are of lesser quality. Bets go as high as 3.5M. There were about 10 fites that bets were over 1M. Competitions are tough coz the roosters are quality and well prepared. Just a matter of whose lucky on those days. Well known breeders almost made it but not quite enough. The lesser "guys" winning over good opponents.
Added feature.. Viewing the fites in Candelaria is better than Araneta :)

CANDELARIA my vote...

Lindol... try joining Candelaria, you might face the lesser quality fowls and win 6M.

BRO TUSIKLANG,

YOU SAID IT ALL. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE CANDELARIA DERBY. THE CANDELARIA MISTIQUE THAT IS IMCOMPARABLE AGAINST ANY DERBY IN THE PHILIPPINES.

BEST,

[nels_51]

sir sentenciador,gusto ko lang malaman kong kailan ang exact date ng laban sa candelaria and how much now is the entry fee.? the minimum bet ?maayos ba ang cock house doon at pwede na tayong advance ng 5 araw doon para maka porma ang manok ?coz we are trying to compete in that derby this coming february 2010. sana matulungan mo ako sa info mo.thanks a lot .god bless you.

[banate]

Ang Candelaria derby ay pride ng Western Visayas dahil parang isa na itong tradition ng mga Ilonggos at isa rin ito sa pinakamalaking derbies sa Pilipinas. Kaya kung maari lang ay gustong namin itong i-share sa lahat. Baka next year ay magkakaroon na ito ng live video broadcast. Alay ito namin sa lahat ng cockers lalo na sa mga hindi makakapunta sa Iloilo Coliseum para sumali o di kaya manonood lang.

Ang ibang malalaking derbies ay pinoprotektahan nila ang video coverage nila. Exclusive lang ang maka cover para walang kompetensiya sa bentahan ng DVD's o di kaya hindi makikita ang mga patrons para sa kanilang privacy. Sa Candelaria naman so far ay maluwag si Chito Tinsay at open sa lahat na magko cover ng video.

Ang primary reason ko naman sa pagko cover ng video nito ay para ma share ko sa lahat ang mga laban ng Candelaria derby. Kaya sisikapin kong magkakaroon ng live telecast next year kung papayagan ng management para mas marami ang makakapanood. Kahit kukonti na lang ang oorder ng DVD's ko ay okay lang basta masaya ang karamihan.

Nasagot ko na pala ang iba mong inquiries sa inopen mong thread sa Chickentalk nels_51. Sana matuloy ang entry ninyo next year. Maraming salamat.