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November 13th, 2002, 08:33 PM
Hello Friends in sport! I just would like to know more about this type of Hatch-the Gilmore Hatch.Are they green legged too?what is its fighting style and other characteristics?thanks
November 13th, 2002, 10:59 PM
Hello!Gilmore hatch is green legs peacomb medium to high station does not break high and ground fighter although a bit slow.It also originate from mclean crossed to a hen by Lum Gilmore nobody knows whats the bloodline of the hen that Lum infused.Dead game!
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November 14th, 2002, 07:55 AM
I have some pure white leg Gilmores they aren't fast strikers they wait for a opening and kick like mules.They can fought pure in small time but need crossing for the Big league.
November 15th, 2002, 05:00 AM
Stallion Farm of Bebot Uy Davao city, has lots of Gilmore hatch to choose. he is using it to cross Sweater and Gilmore. 3/4 and 1/4 respectively. with very good result.
June 22nd, 2004, 02:34 PM
My Gilmore hatch is green legged.I have produce 19 full brothers and out of this 19 we had already fight 11 and all won their first battle.I gave the other four full brothes to Roldan Ceradoy aka Parehas 007.The other brothers were stolen last year.Gilmore are better cross with sweaters and Califonia Hatch.
June 22nd, 2004, 08:58 PM
gilmores are mcleans and the other way around.
June 23rd, 2004, 06:31 PM
I have a good winning records with my gilmores crossed to sweaters 1/2 x 1/2.This coming season I will try the 3/4x 1/4 cross.
June 24th, 2004, 09:45 AM
Does anyone know who breeds the best gilmore hatch today ?
June 24th, 2004, 02:17 PM
Just my opinion.
June 24th, 2004, 02:36 PM
add Kelly Green to your list jim
June 24th, 2004, 04:14 PM
You are right Kelly Green besides Roundheads and Albany have good Gilmores too.
June 25th, 2004, 12:16 PM
Kelly Green's green-legged Hatches are Leipers, not Gilmores, although both breeds look alike.
June 25th, 2004, 01:30 PM
Malden, Kelly sent me a gilmore a few months ago, I like it, aggressive, power, & alot of feet (crossing with his roundhead).
Get a chance ask Kelly, might of came from a buddy! I heard Mike Middleton had a good gilmore, & a few yrs ago Stewart Harvard (??) I think was successfull with a gilmore cross. I'm thinking about trying a 1/4 gilmore to my roundhead/albany cross. Of my hatches my mcclean & spangle have the best vertical & my leiper appears to have the more intelligent fighting style in my opinion, all game. Jim
June 25th, 2004, 02:44 PM
The Mcleans, Gilmores and Blueface Hatch are somewhat related.
Check it our below.
Hope this will help you guys.
“The Gilmore Hatch”
The story has it, and alot of the old timers in Alabama know of this as i was told by one of Ted Mcleans yard boys, Mr Mclean and Mr Gilmore had fought a couple of "Hatch" cocks with gaffs on to see who was the better of the two for future use in the brood pens (Cockers back in the days would use such selection), both being green legged and pea combed, both very good birds, but the Hatch cock that Mr Mclean held and released totally demolished the other cock, as the story was told to me, the cock that won that match up was taken by Mr Mclean to be set as his brood cock for the upcoming breeding season, the other cock that Mr Gilmore released and handled was hurt pretty bad but lived because most of the time in that little match up the cock Mr Gilmore had kept on running (Lack of Gameness). Mr Mclean told Mr Gilmore to get rid of it, but Mr Gilmore felt he should heal him up and breed him. So folks, this was told to me by an old timer during my quest to purchase a good Hatch bloodline, i dont know if theirs any truth to this, but im just relaying what i heard. Im sure their are good hatches out there in the Mcleans and Gilmores, but i suggest, if you pay money for a Hatch brood cock from any lines, no matter the cost or the name of the breeder, find out for yourself how game they really are by testing them, some people feel they shouldnt test them because of the name of the breeder they bought it from, but i assure you, it will save you time and money in the long run. if any of you is interested in good hatch blood, try Mr Paul Webster's Mclean Hatches, i bought me a brood stag and tested him myself and now hes a two timer in the LK, if you want Gilmores try Mr Harvard Stewart's (Marengo Creek) Gilmore Hatches, they are the best ive seen and they are coming from the orginal lines, dark green legged, pea combed, and darker in color. Mr Kurt McBryar, Gene Brown, Mike Lanier, and Mike Ramsey has awesome Hatches that are winning today.
Where does the mclean hatch originated and what its characteristics?
From "The Blue Face Story" by: Lou Elliott (1977)
The pure McLeans were comparatively slow, single stroke, ground fighters. They had the suicidal tendency of sticking their necks out while reaching for a billhold. A cock like that just doesn't win many fights in first class long heel competition.
From "Origin of the McLean Hatch - Blue Face Fowl" Harry Parr (1977)
In the early thirties, Mr. E.S. Hatch and Mr. E.T. McLean were on the floor of the stock exchange. That Mr. Hatch gave Ted McLean fowl is testimony enough of their friendship, as it is well known Mr. Hatch did not let many go. At the time, Mr. Hatches' fowl consisted of four basic bloodlines. These were the Kearney make up of the two strains Mike Kearney brought from Ireland, namely (1) the "beasy" Breasted Light Reds (Whitehackles) and (2) the Brown Breasted Reds, plus (3) the Herman Duryea fowl (commonly called Boston Roundheads) which he added when he worked for Mr. Duryea. With these bloodlines Mr. Hatch incorporated (4) the green leg Thompson (Jim Thompson) fowl. I might say here that from then 'til now, the strain made up of these four bloodlines are what Ted and I call the "straight stuff
Here's a bonus about the Blue Face Hatch
as written by Carl J. Saia in August 1966 G&S Issue:
In this article concerning the Blue Face Hatch, I will quote at length
from a letter written by Bob Lanham. Bob lives in Ala. and has
advertised in G&S.
Bob's letter in part follows:
"I have been living here for two years, having moved from Texas. I
have had game chickens most of my life and have known quite a few
game chicken people. Among them, Sweater McGinnis, however, I
always called him by his name which was Herbert. I also have visited
in Lun Gilmore's home, when he had a ranch out from Bay City, Texas,
and count him as one of my many friends. Here was the home of the
so called Blue Face Hatch, Lun having the original pair. Lun (not Lum)
gave me the information first hand, that I am about to give you. Lun
gave me a cock that was out of the old cock, known as the Blue Face
cock. As I was going to use the cock on some of our hens as a
battle cross, I wanted to know the full particulars regarding his
bloodlines. Lun told me that they were pure McLean Hatch and were
deep game. I believe thay were the hardest hitting cocks I have ever
seen. They came both pea comb and straight comb and had the
longest plumage I have ever seen.
"Sweater stayed at Gilmore's ranch for sometime and when he
left, Lun gave him some crosses. The crosses were half Blue Face
and half regular Greys, and some half Blue Face and half Kelso. I
have it from Lun that Sweater did not get a pure one.
"Here's the way they got the name of Blue Face. While Sweater
was there. He and Lun decided to spar the old cock. I believe that
either Mr. McLean or Pete Frost had fought the cock. I saw this
cock and I believe that he was a blinker - this I am not sure of.
They let them go for a good round, and then picked up. Sweater
remarked to Lun that the cock had turned blue in the face, and the
family was known thereafter as the Blue Face family.
"After Sweater left Lun I never did see him again. I supposed he
used the halves and still called them Blue Faces. However, Lun
did tell me that Sweater did use a Leiper cock on those half and
halfs and what else I don't know. I hope this will give you some
insight in regard to the make up of these so called Blue Face. In
closing, on the subject, I do know the original pair were pure
McLean Hatch and were owned and bred for many years by Lun Gilmore.
If you could contact Lun, I think he could shed a lot of light
. . .
To continue where Mr. Lanham left off, I have learned that Sweater
McGinnis also used a good rooster from Harold Brown. How much of
Harold Brown's blood was used is not known. There was another
little known cross used, a brown red family that Sweater had for
years. This brown red family were Shufflers and according to my
information were below average fowl. However, they seemed to
"nick" when introduced into the Blue Face family.
In conclusion, I must say that the McGinnis Blue Face Hatch is a
separate breed from the McLean Hatch. I know for a fact that a
lot of these Blue Face Hatch fowl are disappearing into the
McLean family. This cross is not hurting either breed as far as
fighting qualities are concerned. To you youngsters who just
have to cross, this Blue Face family is a good family to cross
or blend into your own fowl. The results are "proven" as these
old Blue Faces have disappeared to some extent into some of the
best and most popular breeds.
There is one other person I wish to thank for providing me with
information. This person is Ed Garrard - one of the best breeders
and a top cocker in this section.
end of quote...
June 25th, 2004, 03:08 PM
joey bravo, very good! had the name, just a little mixed up!Jim
June 25th, 2004, 04:05 PM
Now we have some ideas were to get winning lines.Thanks
June 25th, 2004, 05:16 PM
Toto Harold(Has) no words to add more about Gilmore hatch they've mentioned much about it.Well,we are planning to acquire a pair of Gilmore Hatch soon from Slick Lizard of Jerry Adkins where Bruce acquired his too.Just for infusion purposes.So,family reunion your uncle Noli and your aunt from USA?Ready for your son baptismal?You have good Gary Gilliam Roundhead I'll share you George Woods lacy RH for it to mate.
June 25th, 2004, 10:49 PM
By BluffCreek :
lun gilmore was a cocker and a good friens of ben ford,they fought birds with and agianst each other for over 60 years..lun gilmore accired his birds direct from sanford hatch and mike kearny ...when mike crossed the kearny brown reds on the hatch birds they were awsome as any ever bred til this day...sanford wanted to breed em back to the yellow legged side but mike insisted on breedin them one more time to the brown red side and produced them to fight.fight they did and won some derbies against everyone at that time,he wanted to breed a cock of his fathers breeding which was the kerany whitehackle to the sanford ,kerany,kerany breedings- from this breeding he had 17 black birds with white specs in them and over 40 brownred lookin birds,,he then crossed these back on the brown reds-having the kearny white hackle in them and hatch blood they came all dark fowl with green leggs-mike give lun glimore 6 hens and one dark red cock to breed over them=this was the origination of the gilmore hatch fowl -and the ben ford fowl-these birds was given and sold to gilmore from mr hatch and mike kearny...it did kearny mike s fathers blood -mike kearny sr white hackle blood in them and still till this day they will come spangle or dark ...!the next breeding that was the brown red and kearny out and out became the 42 hatch that jd perry dominated with-same fowl from same people except did not have the kearny white hackle in them...but mostly yellow leg ,and the black leggs made em all come od green legged.......believe it or not.....i knew collonel givens for over 40 years and he got his from lun gilmore in the early 40s and also got some of mike kearny jrs white hackles that was dark red and spangled.....and fought the kearny white hackle crosses at sunset and all over north alabama.....collenol givens and jimmy east were the handlers for john ovilan fowler from huntsville ala.when john fowler died jimmy kept has hatch birds and collenol givens kept the white hackles.....so the gilmores are 1/4 kearny whirte hackle-1/4 hatch- 1/2 brown red bred back to the 1/2 hatch 1/2 brown red and kept that way until he passed on- - - - still til this day all gilmores will throw a spangle every other year or so....depends on how there bred and where ya got them- - - so there is your facts- believe it or not- - - but if ya didnt get em from gilmore there yours MR KELSO* MADDIGAN*LAW*KEARNY*MORGAN* O 'CONNOR....there your birds- heres ya sign.......!
Lun Gilmore was the insperation of establishing the hatch name in the south,tTed mclain routed the hatch name when he was dominating with the hatch fowl,sweater came famous in the mid section of the country,jd perry and blondy roland,harold brown ,ben ford,frank steel ,and curtis blacwell made the hatch name in the south east......the fowl that gilmore aquired were theone that won the orlando tiurnament from mr hatch and would have payed any price for those fowl...and was a very sharp eyed man that could recognise an ace cock....that made him a true breeder and respected in the gamecock fraternity...sanford hatch told marvin anderson that lun had the best fowl of the dark breedings anywhere and he would do well with them....at that time lun whipped leiper in a fight that lasted 6 hrs and 10 min.....both men strived on deep game fowl..as did all long heel men of the south at the turn of the century untill there deaths......
August 7th, 2006, 12:52 AM
August 7th, 2006, 04:48 AM
do you any info about leiper hatch..thanks
August 7th, 2006, 02:31 PM
August 7th, 2006, 09:33 PM
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