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Thread: Is Sabong/Betting over the Internet bad to the Sabong/Sport Industry in Philippines?

  
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    it is the only culture we have !

    malalim,

    I disagree with you about you saying "pilipino false sense of Pride"

    it is the only pride we have and by golly I am going to stick to it like a glue.

    we are proud to be sabungeros because we have what you call a gentlemens' sport.... we are proud to be sabungeros because of the word of honor whiich we as sabungeros adhere to.
    we are proud to be sabungeros because of the honesty we have in the cockpit...

    tell me what other culture was left to us ?

    false sense of pride ? there is nothing left for the pilipinos to be proud about except sabong...I can not believe you are saying this.

    GD

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    MABUHAY ANG PILIPINAS

    and spend more time with our family, wife and child/children

    they are our TRUE NORTH

    mabuhay ang pamilyang Filipino

    GOD BE THE GLORY

    AD MAJOREM DEI GLORIAM

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    I think Malalim means: as if we are the original sabungeros of the world--and that is false indeed.

    imho,

    Kidd

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    Kidd, you got it

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    I guess someone has to tell Araneta to stop calling it the "World Slasher Derby" and stop calling the champion "World Slasher Derby Champion"

    Also can someone please tell those big derbies to stop putting the word "International" in their derby events. How dare them? This is a "purely Pilipino" thing.

    We identify with cockfighting, but so does a lot of other nations.

    And we should be proud that it is an international sport and event, not just a Pilipino thing.

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    chuckee2,

    With the technology we have now and the bandwidth available in the marketplace, the net is the perfect broadcasting medium.

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    DEEPDIVER,

    Cockpit licenses are regulated and they are monitored by the respective local government where they are located. They also have to comply with the tax laws surrounding the operations of the cockpit.

    But the betting inside the cockpit is unregulated. Each individual can bet whenever and to whomever they want. No taxes, no licenses necessary to place a bet inside a pit.

    I agree, the operation to broadcast sabong over the net has to have the necessary licenses and permits plus whatever taxes that they have to pay. Whether local or foreign..

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    The HorseRacing industry/game here is on the net...there are betting networks in here that also broadcast Australia, Japan, Hongkong, to name a few. These networks are regulated of course...as one of them (that I tried signing up, hehehe) will not accept my application as I am in California. This is the winticket.com I believe, in others--I win some, lose more...hehehe. In short, there are areas or boundaries of legal coverage.

    Majority of these networks (tvg.com, winexpress.com, youbet.com) requires the applicant to put his social sec #, bank or credit card, driver's license, among other personal info before they grant you an account. You can fund your account anytime you want...most gives you freebies (live video) for a good 30 days, after that you have to pay to view any live race. Plus, some will deduct a minimal fee, i.e. .20 cents, per bet or number of bets.

    What this long story is trying to imply is: Those who will implement this into cockfighting are in a lot of ? marks if they will put betting online too. What I think is best is for them to charge per view...that way "us" in our party at home can yell "sampu anim" while having beers, hehehe.

    Kidd

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    Kidd,

    That was my advice to someone who consulted me about it. Go "Pay Per View", but dont go into the betting side. Let them bet on their own with whatever means they want to use.

    Be like HBO and Showtime, instead of being an on-line gaming and betting station. There's a whole lot of difference and the returns are almost the same but without the risk.

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    correct again. once evrything is legal at plantsado ok na yan sir. regulations are not unreasonable that is why operators of cockpits continue to operate. esp in LGU's where the cockpit is a very good venue for exposure to voters

    people should remain tax free from proceeds of their win in the cockpit, i believe. it is better that such be not regulated although BIR TF "RATE" is watching the big center bet players. ang lupit

    kidd

    we really are not the pioneer sabungeros of the world as evidenced by caveman paintings with cocks fighting but the "Philippine Sabong" is a different culture from other Cockfights of the world. to each, his own. i will try to research more since i have some little passion for history

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    Malalim..... saludos!!!!!

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    Roy

    Very well said Roy. Ultimate fighting na pala ang iyong avatar OK yan ah. Kaya pala parang palaban na palaban ka na lol lol lol


    Al

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    .... Pag kuha nalang cguro ng Derby Permit ay saka na lang ipapatong ang WWW fee sa Munisipyo :lol: may kahirapan i monitor eto dahil camera at laptop ay nagkayari na? di gaya ng sa Production TV ....Yun bang sa Internet Casino ay pinakikita ren nilang Live mismo yung Bacarach at Black Jack o para lang computer graphics game? heheh hindi pa kasi nakakasubok dun..... kaya iba ang appeal ng Sabong dahil Live prehas ng Boxing..... Bayad sa Gate or Pay per View cguro para makabawi sa Investment ay kakagatin malamang lalot WSD




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    a challenge has been made...

    when the spaniards came to the philippines the pilipinos were already into sabong... ni wala pa nga yata damit , sabong ng iniintindi ... I think it was the spaniars who brought sabong to europe... so in that case I can really claim sabong belongs to the pilipino culture.

    malalim I am not very knowledgeable about whatever it was you are talking about sa itaas. sorry.

    what I understand about progress is when a business is put up here in the philippines and a lot of people will be employed ,a lot of people will earn a livelihood .... not just a handfull of people.

    and by the way a challenged was brought forward incase no body has read it yet go to sabungero.com and it is not about avatar.

    if it is about you pick up the challenge...

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    :rbounce: personalan na at may bang bang challenge na sa kabila. akala ko ba maginoo ang mga sabungero. ang pinoy talaga :hombre:

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    browse our existing law on cockfighting in the philippines
    yup! its obsolete but still in effect and not yet repelled nor
    amended!!

    to quote a part

    it should neither be exploited as an object of commercialism or business enterprise, nor made a tool of uncontrolled gambling, but more as a vehicle for the preservation and perpetuation of native Filipino heritage and thereby enhance our national identity.
    here's the link http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/pres..._449_1974.html

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    ah !!! I am vindicated...

    pilipino heritage my heritage... pilipino culture my culture.

    after so many years of being enslaved by different conquerors for different periods of time after they have destroyed all forms of culture we used to have, what was left was "SABONG".

    let us take care of it and fight those who wants to destroy the last vestige of PILIPINO IDENTITY.

    thanks JS for that piece of info.

    cheers and mabuhay pilipinos .

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    NO!!! On line Sabong/Betting is not Bad for Sport.

    It does not have an effect on the SPORT itself, since i know for a fact that Cockers or sabungeros would always prefer to see the sport LIVE in the pit. Those people who can't go to the pits, are the beneficiaries of ONLINE SABONG. Having this presented Online should eventually help the SPORT. Why???

    Look at the Phil Basketball Association (PBA), a 20 yr old League that is known to every Basketball enthusiast in the country, had it not been for TV coverage do you think the PBA will still be going strong? With continues drop of gate receipts, the only thing that is making them move on is Advertisement brought about by TV Coverage. This holds true for the NBA.

    Now with regards to Online Betting, though we claim sabong to be a sport, it is about gambling, whether incidental or not. I doubt if even 10% of the members in this site will even breed chicken if there is no money involve in this sport. Will you breed 100 - 1,000 heads and spend P50,000 ( $1000 ) in feeds if there will be no betting? Will you buy $2,500 trio if there ain't no betting? Will you even like sabong if there is no money involve?
    The answer is NO, we love the sport because it brings excitement due to the hidden reality that we love money from winnings, which brings the excitement.

    So what's the difference between betting ONLINE and betting inside the PITS? The truth it betting ONLINE assures you that you will get paid, while actual betting in the pits has no insurance at all. So which do you prefer in this case?

    Knife and Blood??? I think that is what we all cockers want to see, the gladiator spirit within us. We want to see powerful blows and great cutting in our birds resulting to FAST KILLS... You don't want to see Blood, then GO FISHING!!! Or Do you prefer the long fights in the naked heels, then that is not Filipino at all, that is more of China, Malaysia, India, Indonesia but definitely not FILIPINO.

    I don't really mind about the ORIGIN of SABONG as i don't live in the past, and my cocking methods does not go as far as year 1521. All I care is where I am going. Sabong started in Ancient China but you go to China now and they don't think sabong at all. If they even do have sabong there now it would not even be half the level of where we are competing now...

    Let the gov't get its Due from this operators and that is it!

    People that don't like sabong don't even care if you are ONLINE or in the PITS. Now if you guys want to raise the point of ONLINE BETTING as a manner of Prostituting the sport, then why don't you first raise your point against Horse Racing or KARERA since Off Track Betting (OTB) Centers are available within 3-10 mins from our houses, and I doubt if 0.5% of the country's population own a Race Horse.


    My Thoughts about the subject...



    swallow

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    swallow thats a good idea, to put online betting on internet casino cafe by pagcor or side by side OTB for horses. thats a good compromise esp for the purist of the sport and the gambling afficianados of the sport

    Be it as it may, let govt be the one to constructively decide and that is thru getting the necessary commercial permits under our laws.

    HOY........................PINOY AKO------Bamboo

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    YES! COCKFIGHTING IS A HERITAGE OF MALAYAN PENINSULA AND WE ARE ONE. THEN IT SPREAD ALL OVER THE WORLD BECAUSE IT'S A NICE SPORT.

    EDUCATE OUR GRANDCHILDREN TO PRESERVED THE PHILIPPINE COCKFIGHTING. IT'S A GREAT TOURIST ATTRACTION AND LET IT BE.

    WE DON'T HAVE TO BROADCAST SABONG AROUND THE WORLD, THE BLOODY PART OF IT. LET IT BE JUST FOR US AND IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE, TELL THEM GO TO THE PHILIPPINES.

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    GD i read the challenge, in the old days when men were more gentlemen than today, and when only handshakes sealed million dollar deals and my word is my honour....such was the parameter to arbitrate a dead lock or redeem once honor.

    I guess to those who have been hurling accusations one after the other from both camps can accede to mr luzongs challenge to a man to man duel.

    i do suggest to sign waivers of desistance for filing of any criminal complaint for both parties so that the survivor will not be levelled of from the legal quagmire arising such activity.

    though i categorically do not support this tradition of arbitration of judge and jury but rather of a more diplomatic approach, the gentleman has raised a challenge

    of course with a fervent prayer for peace to settle is what i may offer

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    very well said swallow

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    For True Blooded Sabungeros/Cockers.Internet Sabong isn't bad.
    But,this is now the world of computers.Everybody can have access and ****,*** and HSPCA are awaiting to launch black propagandas against us Sabungeros.You see,in the eyes of innocent people.Whatever explanation or discussion we'll imply on what cockfighting is all about.It won't go nowhere"nil".You had to have an on-hand experience on raising gamebirds to understand or at least grew up in a farm or knowledge about gamefowls.They"people against cockfighing"will use this tool "internet sabong"to brainwash people around the world thinking that we"Sabungeros"are cruel to animals.Which,isn't true of course.For these innocent people to see Knives and Blood and Birds Killing each other?oh boy...how can you convince them that it isn't cruelty?
    Why worry about these so called **** and others? coz they're the ones who will try to destroy the Image of Sabong as Sports for the Ladies and Gentlemen.
    My comment may not make any sense.But,it is how a feel.:hippie:

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    Please do not be afraid of ****`s activity.
    Please think about why their insistences do not have a strong influence in Philippine .
    The cockfighting in USA , EU declined along the way to joinning
    the industrial advanced country and a simpathy with opposite
    reason was given to the group like **** gradually.
    It is inevitable lesson of world history.

    How can you preserve your proud national sport ?
    You just stay there without doing anything like USA.EU ?
    Or you are going to look forward better way to preserve it
    as a real heritage of Philippine ?

    Not yet late if you thinks about it NOW .

    Which country can broardcast Live sabong ?
    Mexico is your rival . So ?

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    JS,
    Did you meant that the law is obsolete and needs changing or the law is fine and should stay the same?

    I think the law is obsolete and needs to change.

    Commerce is one of the key reasons why Cockfighting is such a success right now. I believe with the proliferation of all these GBAs and cockfighting orgs throughout the country you could see of bigger things to come. The pharma, feed companies are just growing year in and year out.

    And guess what's the major reason behind this success "Commerce". From the breeders, cockpits, derbies, medicine, feeds, TV programs and now net sites and all other endeavors, all of it are commercial businesses.

    If we follow this law to the letter everyone is guilty!!!

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    GD,

    I am the one who can't believe that you are saying that Sabong over the internet is bad. Being a partner of a sabong website,

    I would have thought you would be the last person to say that, plus the fact that you know a lot of our overseas Filipinos would also want to share our passion.

    Why deprive them of the enjoyment of watching sabong?

    On the topic of sabong/cockfighting as purely Filipino, I have said my piece. This is an international sport shared by other nations, the rules may be different (like in Basketball), but basically the love for the sport is common.

    If you care to note the signature of some our foreign friends who are also into cockfighting....YFIS or YBIS...and you and I know that it stands for Your Friend in Sport and Your Brother in Sport.

    With that I end this post.

    YFIS...

    PS. Your cellphone seems to be out of order...

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    in my own perception the existing cockfighting law of the of land
    is now obsolete or simply not tuned to the present time.

    but untill said law been amended or repealled it is still the law of
    the land which every filipino are bound to obey.

    If we follow this law to the letter everyone is guilty!!!
    well that's a sad thing to hear!

    another sad thing . . . yes we have many politicians who are
    sabungeros and now in government offices but this law remains
    as it was in the beginning and i think it will be there now and
    forever . . . . unchanged!

    Is Sabong/Betting over the Internet bad to the Sabong/Sport
    Industry in Philippines? . . . as long as there's no law violated

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    We compare sabong to other sports where there can be betting involve yet we don't see the big picture of it. Yes there are sports being broadcast live and betting is legal too, but did you ever see a sport being broadcast that involves knives and one ending being dead? DId we ever think of the impact of this one internationally? Those who hate this sport specially those from **** or whatever organization they are can use this as a tool to succeed in their goal of stoping it. They cannot stop sabong in our country but they can stop it internationally specially USA. What will happen to all the breeders here in USA?????

    Sabong is our national heritage.If people want to see the sport, invite them to our country, better for our tourism industry, better for our kababayans and not to only one or two business people who just want to profit from our great tradition.

    Just my opinion! Peace!

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    why not be afraid ?

    I am afraid for they are so powerful and with plenty of money to fight us.
    this gambling website , Is it going to support us in the fight against the people against sabong ? I doubt that very highly all they want is money money money.

    By all means go to mexico. do not destroy what we are enjoying here and now.

    I think not all of us can understand what SABONG PERSECUTION means..for one moment think about it, picture it in your minds. do you think that the stories about pinoys and americans who love sabong running away from authorities are not true. think again.

    By the way, the PETAs now are doing or are part of the raiding team according to my friend from tenneessee. that is how powerful they are.

    so go ahead vote "NO it is not bad" give them the tool to kill us.
    am I being too pessimistic ? yes , maybe I am , but when will I open my umbrella ? should it be now or when I am soak and wet?

    cheers and mabuhay !!!

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    Come ****, come...hehehe.

    You can't do what you can in Tennessee to Calasiao...:lol:

    Kidd

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