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    yellow legged mclean

    can anyone give me an infor regarding this bloodline. What bloodline are they good to cross with?

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    is that crossed or pure?

    i haven't heard of yl mclean yet. is your mclean flyer or grounder? try crossing it with sweater, kelso or roundhead. you will never go wrong.

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    the old hatch family then was purely straightcomb,green legs........the american breeders added boston roundhead blood.........since then ........came hatch family with peacomb,yellow legs.......and could cut and break well...and...still retained their unequaled gameness and hitting power.
    yellow legged mcleans........are the yellow legged hatch.......
    ray hoskins fowl is one of them........pinnon YLH is also an example........stuart YLH.....oakgrove YLH........etc. etc.

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    any body know and describe the pure mclean hatch. i had a mclean hatch 7/8 green legged.. mclean kaya ito!!!!!

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    mostly medium stationed cocks with broad back.......lemon to dark lemon hackles as well as saddles....black breast....peacomb.......green legs.......fast power shuffling hatch that can break good in the air.this is my foundation blood that i use to cross to any other fast shuffling,fast moving,cutting families of fowl like kelsos,roundheads,brownreds......etc. etc.

    i like hatches as broodcocks

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    what is the difference between Ruble Hatch & Mclean Hatch?

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    ruble are straight comb while mclean are pea comb.

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    Ted Mclean, the breeder of the said hatch family, had his birds come Both yellow and green. I was told by people associated with him that they are the same. You can breed the green legged ones together and you might come up with the occasional yellow and vice versa. Mine came from Harry Parr, thru a friend. Mr Parr was Ted's friend and breeding partner. These birds are deep game but can not be fought straight in the knife. They do not know how to fight and need to be bred to the most a quarter, I think. Oh they also come straight comb at times, specially the yellow legged ones. I have some pics in gallery. This blood has won the pretigeous Claymore tournament at least twice, I was told.

    The original Sanford Hatch that Ted Mclean got was a cross between a Stone Brown Red and Kearney Whitehackle, the latter being yellow legged. This is why the Mcleans will sometimes come yellow legged. I have had some Kearneys from Floyd Gurley and they fight just like the Hatch. Deep game and strong, but you guessed it, can not fight that good. I have seen old man Floyd win with these birds with sheer gameness alone.

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    The origonal hatch was

    Not such a great fighter, but they were bred for the "slow" heel, which is not a short gaff but like a short knife with a blunt or rounded point.

    With this weapon design, gameness, bottom & power are the prime requirements of a cock. The weapon design is not good for fast kills so gameness was the number 1 requirement.

    If you look at all the "good" hatches today (for gaff or knife) none are Hatch "Hatches" they are Mclean "Hatches", Doc Robinson "hatches", Perry "hatches" etc (no offence to those not mentioned there are plenty of good ones) which is the origonal hatch blood infused with that breeders "secret blood" to get them suitable for their weapon of choice and then "set" as a family.

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    Yellow Leg Hatch

    Good info on YLH. Which you guys consider a good YLH to own or to have. Herman Pinion, Black Water YLH (Steward/Stewart), Harold Brown (oakgrove). What YLH can do? How it differs from sweater. Sometime they look the same? How can you differentiate one from the other? I appreciate your response. Have a lovely day everyone.

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    Re: Yellow Leg Hatch

    Quote Originally Posted by OakwoodGameFarm
    Good info on YLH. Which you guys consider a good YLH to own or to have. Herman Pinion, Black Water YLH (Steward/Stewart), Harold Brown (oakgrove). What YLH can do? How it differs from sweater. Sometime they look the same? How can you differentiate one from the other? I appreciate your response. Have a lovely day everyone.
    yellow legged hatch cock x kelso hen = sweater

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    yellow legged hatch cock x kelso hen = sweater
    your definitely right my friend, my favorite the Sweater is the combinatiion of a Hacth for Power, Gameness + Kelso for the brain, side stepping waving move, and for the Good Looks especially the White Streamer Tails yellow legged Sweater...

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    Re: yellow legged mclean

    Quote Originally Posted by rendelros
    what is the difference between Ruble Hatch & Mclean Hatch?
    billie ruble is different from ted mclean

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    Quote Originally Posted by royandres314
    yellow legged hatch cock x kelso hen = sweater
    your definitely right my friend, my favorite the Sweater is the combinatiion of a Hacth for Power, Gameness + Kelso for the brain, side stepping waving move, and for the Good Looks especially the White Streamer Tails yellow legged Sweater...
    whitehackle x brownred = hatch
    roundhead x hatch = yl hatch
    yl hatch x kelso = sweater

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    Quote Originally Posted by royandres314
    yellow legged hatch cock x kelso hen = sweater
    your definitely right my friend, my favorite the Sweater is the combinatiion of a Hacth for Power, Gameness + Kelso for the brain, side stepping waving move, and for the Good Looks especially the White Streamer Tails yellow legged Sweater...
    whitehackle x brownred = hatch
    roundhead x hatch = yl hatch
    yl hatch x kelso = sweater

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    Quote Originally Posted by royandres314
    yellow legged hatch cock x kelso hen = sweater
    your definitely right my friend, my favorite the Sweater is the combinatiion of a Hacth for Power, Gameness + Kelso for the brain, side stepping waving move, and for the Good Looks especially the White Streamer Tails yellow legged Sweater...

    whitehackle x brownred = hatch (power + shuffle)
    roundhead x hatch = yl hatch (brain, side step, tops the opponent + power shuffler)
    yl hatch x kelso = sweater (the kelso has the ability to fight in the air "salto")

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    Re: yellow legged mclean

    Quote Originally Posted by buhawi
    the old hatch family then was purely straightcomb,green legs........the american breeders added boston roundhead blood.........since then ........came hatch family with peacomb,yellow legs.......and could cut and break well...and...still retained their unequaled gameness and hitting power.
    yellow legged mcleans........are the yellow legged hatch.......
    ray hoskins fowl is one of them........pinnon YLH is also an example........stuart YLH.....oakgrove YLH........etc. etc.
    ..NO ! you are wrong,,Sanderford Hatch fought ten yellow legged roosters to every green legged one,,Sandy Hatch's main show fowl were Kearney Whitehackles and their crosses..
    ..Ted McLean bred primarily YLH,PC'ed and SC'ed..

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    Re: Yellow Leg Hatch

    Quote Originally Posted by kelso_ryan
    yellow legged hatch cock x kelso hen = sweater
    And according Carol Nesmith (on his article about his Blackwater Sweaters), he added Hoskins Yellow Legged Mclean blood to improve his Sweaters and "that was the blood that put the Sweaters back on the map".

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    Re: yellow legged mclean

    here is hargab yl mclean video fight in last years cvba 7stag derby

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyRY5...eature=related

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    And according Carol Nesmith (on his article about his Blackwater Sweaters), he added Hoskins Yellow Legged Mclean blood to improve his Sweaters and "that was the blood that put the Sweaters back on the map".
    The original YLMcLean were made from a boston roundhead cock cross to a McLean Hen by Herman McGinnis, the bullstags that came from Herman McGinnis were crossed to a walter kelso hens by Walter himself, and made the "sweater". Blackwater's winning line is a half possum half yellow legged McLean hatch. ( 3/4 YLMcLean 1/4 Kelso) These were called the $5,000 Line, ginaya lang ni Dink Fair
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    Re: Yellow Leg Hatch

    Quote Originally Posted by kelso_ryan View Post
    The original YLMcLean were made from a boston roundhead cock cross to a McLean Hen by Herman McGinnis, the bullstags that came from Herman McGinnis were crossed to a walter kelso hens by Walter himself, and made the "sweater". Blackwater's winning line is a half possum half yellow legged McLean hatch. ( 3/4 YLMcLean 1/4 Kelso) These were called the $5,000 Line, ginaya lang ni Dink Fair
    This is proof enough that all "Pure" strains/bloodlines as we know them, are
    the product of crosses or blends that have been line-bred/inbred to set them as strains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rendelros View Post
    what is the difference between Ruble Hatch & Mclean Hatch?

    Their SELECTION Methods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rendelros View Post
    what is the difference between Ruble Hatch & Mclean Hatch?

    Each one of them made their own blend to their ideal.

    Each one of them had its own ideal & selection method.

    YFIS,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunke8888 View Post
    This is proof enough that all "Pure" strains/bloodlines as we know them, are
    the product of crosses or blends that have been line-bred/inbred to set them as strains.

    yunke8888
    I agree 101%. And if I may add, a breeder’s ‘pure’ family maybe be different from another breeder’s pure family although they may be of same family originally. I believe (and some of you may disagree) that the main reason why we want to keep our own family of gamefowls (vs buying proven lines from other breeders) is to have them tailor-made according to our needs and how we want them to be. And our family may be better (or even worse) than when we originally got them (maybe from the eyes of other breeders), but this again is subjective. Because you alone as the breeder of your fowls knows exactly what you want from them and what is your purpose of breeding them that way (e.g., type of tools). Every breeder aspire to have a perfect family, but several variables are involve, and to make it more complicated, some of these variables are constantly changing, and as a result we are all aiming for a moving target.

    The YL Mcleans of today has evolved from the old YL Mcleans of yesteryears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buhawi View Post
    the old hatch family then was purely straightcomb,green legs........the american breeders added boston roundhead blood.........since then ........came hatch family with peacomb,yellow legs.......and could cut and break well...and...still retained their unequaled gameness and hitting power.
    yellow legged mcleans........are the yellow legged hatch.......
    ray hoskins fowl is one of them........pinnon YLH is also an example........stuart YLH.....oakgrove YLH........etc. etc.
    This info is a little off. Ted MacLean was in with Hatch and Kerny. Both these men's birds were heavy in Whitehackle. Harry Parr got all Ted birds when Ted got out. Harry was in a partnership with my buddy for 35 years. My buddy got his MacLeans right off the yard. They came both green legged and pea combed and yellow legged and straight combed. Still to this day it is the Wheaton colored yellow legged hens that produce the best offspring. There are none for sale. This is the only breed he won't give me and I have access to everything else

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonMurphy View Post
    This info is a little off. Ted MacLean was in with Hatch and Kerny. Both these men's birds were heavy in Whitehackle. Harry Parr got all Ted birds when Ted got out. Harry was in a partnership with my buddy for 35 years. My buddy got his MacLeans right off the yard. They came both green legged and pea combed and yellow legged and straight combed. Still to this day it is the Wheaton colored yellow legged hens that produce the best offspring. There are none for sale. This is the only breed he won't give me and I have access to everything else
    Nice information sir. Thanks for posting.

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    I've been told by the old man I got my hoskins Ylm blood from that the best producing hens were lighter wheaton type colored ones with light yellow/pearl color legs. And I know Ray had different families of his Ylm/Ylh. Some come more lemon hackle/straw neck(hens) and in males the ones with the more white under hackle, tail and wing seem to be the best. I know Ray bred white hackle into his, which is where the straight comb comes from. This old man went over after rays passing and saw his breeding records therrally and picked up more brood material from the brood pens. Said he brought some straight combs that seem to be heavy white hackle type but saw the markings from records and believes they are damn good. I bought out 2 of his brood personal brood cocks and couple hens along with some of his personal peacomb Ylm/Ylh. And they have become my favorites

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonMurphy View Post
    This info is a little off. Ted MacLean was in with Hatch and Kerny. Both these men's birds were heavy in Whitehackle. Harry Parr got all Ted birds when Ted got out. Harry was in a partnership with my buddy for 35 years. My buddy got his MacLeans right off the yard. They came both green legged and pea combed and yellow legged and straight combed. Still to this day it is the Wheaton colored yellow legged hens that produce the best offspring. There are none for sale. This is the only breed he won't give me and I have access to everything else
    Very good info here BostonMurphy. I think that the yellow legged and straight combed Maclean are because of the Whitehackle influence. I am however puzzled as to why the Green legged Macleans are p-combed. Does your buddy know what Ted or Harry used to make the green legged p-combed Macleans?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by kickin_chicken View Post
    I've been told by the old man I got my hoskins Ylm blood from that the best producing hens were lighter wheaton type colored ones with light yellow/pearl color legs. And I know Ray had different families of his Ylm/Ylh. Some come more lemon hackle/straw neck(hens) and in males the ones with the more white under hackle, tail and wing seem to be the best. I know Ray bred white hackle into his, which is where the straight comb comes from. This old man went over after rays passing and saw his breeding records therrally and picked up more brood material from the brood pens. Said he brought some straight combs that seem to be heavy white hackle type but saw the markings from records and believes they are damn good. I bought out 2 of his brood personal brood cocks and couple hens along with some of his personal peacomb Ylm/Ylh. And they have become my favorites
    I heard from the grapevine that the whitehackle blood Mr. Hoskins infused probably was Murphy. Ray acquired this YL red blood from a millionaire friend who don't let the blood out (or was the millionaire friend just used his 'influence' to acquire the blood, I'm not really sure). And it was said this blood made his YL Mcleans different from other YLH families. The old Hoskins YLM looked similar to Murphies, only they are peacombed. Ray always called his as YL Mcleans, never YLH. Ray and his Texas bosom buddy Clarence Stewart bred the YLM - Clarence Stewart blend and these are what they called the YLH or Stewart YLH, they were dark red, PC, YL and usually with white on tails and wing feathers (the old Stewart blood were GL, the YL came from the infusion of the Hoskins YLM blood). These are what I was told, and someone can please correct me if this is wrong. Anybody who knows about these amazing line, please share more info. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Engkanto View Post
    I heard from the grapevine that the whitehackle blood Mr. Hoskins infused probably was Murphy. Ray acquired this YL red blood from a millionaire friend who don't let the blood out (or was the millionaire friend just used his 'influence' to acquire the blood, I'm not really sure). And it was said this blood made his YL Mcleans different from other YLH families. The old Hoskins YLM looked similar to Murphies, only they are peacombed. Ray always called his as YL Mcleans, never YLH. Ray and his Texas bosom buddy Clarence Stewart bred the YLM - Clarence Stewart blend and these are what they called the YLH or Stewart YLH, they were dark red, PC, YL and usually with white on tails and wing feathers (the old Stewart blood were GL, the YL came from the infusion of the Hoskins YLM blood). These are what I was told, and someone can please correct me if this is wrong. Anybody who knows about these amazing line, please share more info. Thanks.
    Yea he would refer to them as Ylm but he also called them Ylh time to time. I have a buddy from Texas that grew up around Ray since he was a little boy and said ray would call some certain families Ylh and had his mclean side. But who knows. To me all that matters is hat they fit for my taste. And I've been a huge follower of rays blood lines. Very greatful I got to meet the old man I got my hoskins blood from. He has had chickens from other big name breeders and he says they are great chickens and he has attended good events. Says over all best chickens he's shown. Very effective

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