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    The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    These two bloodlines are probably the most popular breed of fowls in slasher fighting where speed and cutting abilities are essential to win this type of game. Maybe, these texts could look and sound boring for professional roundhead breeders, but I am sure that it will help beginners to know their differences and appreciates the qualities and skills they possess. Both breeds are pea combs and both are proven to have the best qualities suitable for slasher fighting. They were very good and outstanding in the early stages of fight but were not tough when fights came down to a give and take affair. They are best when blended with other lines to make them a better fighters.

    Boston Roundheads - Heavy featherings, light red to orange feather, black breasted, several white streaked in wings and tail, most are medium stations, yellow legs. There are records that say that this is the original roundhead line that came to U.S. in East Boston. It was brought by a steamer ship from England in the year 1864.

    Fighting abilities: Cool headed, smart, very patient, fast on the ground and on the air, sometimes delivers fast unexpected strapping shuffles at the back of its opponent when both of them are in the ground, they also side step their opponent to avoid getting hit, multiple shuffler, has a very good timing to deliver its blow they are high breakers. Most are defensive fighters where they always wait their opponent to attack first before they initiate to engage in the fight. This smart cautious fighting tactics was from Oriental lines from where the Boston Roundheads originated.

    The Boston is very good to cross with light strains like…Lemons, Clarets, Kelso and Sweaters.

    The Lacy Roundheads - Tight feathered, most are dark red to wine red in color, better body conformation than Boston, medium to high stations, white and yellow legs, better stations than Boston.

    Fighting abilities: Smart but a bit more aggressive compared to Boston, fast multiple shuffler, vertical flyer, high breaker than Boston, more accurate cutter than Boston. Most are offensive, where they initiate the first move to attack their opponent, and some bluffs their opponent like flying high in mid-air… or in close fight moving their head and body from left to right fast to deceive the opponent.

    The Lacy is very good to cross with heavy-strain fowls like Green Legs or Yellow Leg Hatches, Albany’s, Greys like the Regular Greys, Joe Goode Greys, and Law Greys.

    The above of course is not a Rosetta stone or rule of thumbs..and maybe not an exact 100% info but its just my observations and opinion. In fact Bostons and Lacy's can be also be blended w/ any other lines light or heavy strains. For example Boston when crossed to light strain like Lemons will produce smart fighters that was been proven and tested in many derbies but it also produces great fighters when blended to heavy strains like the McLean green leg hatch. Same thing with Lacy’s, even if they’re very good to be cross with heavy strains like Hatches it also produces great fighters when blended to light strains like Kelso. But some breeders found out that Lacy roundhead produces bad result when crossed to Lemons. Also some breeders found out that Boston is not good for blending with Regular Greys.

    According to the cocking history, the original Hatches are a blend of Kearney Whitehackle and an Irish Brownred, while the original Albany is a blend of a Kearney Whitehackle and a Boston Roundhead. There are some breeders that says that if you didn’t like the aggressive looks of a Green Leg Hatch then better use the Albany, it would still has almost the same power and gameness like the Hatch.

    I am not an authority speaking on bloodlines especially on roundheads; it is just my own observations, opinion, experiences, readings, and wisdom. I am not a veterinarian, a lawyer, medicine man or a specialist bout this sports but at least I can share with you something that can possibly help you in breeding the Roundheads.

    Any comments, reactions, additional suggestions, and observations bout your roundheads are greatly appreciated. All of us are entitled to our own opinion. What’s yours?

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    sir gemini,

    what you wrote is somehow best describes both lines, and i thank you for sharing your ideas.
    well you dont have to be an expert in breeding roundheads just to say nice things to them... the breed as always, speaks from them selves over and over again...and they have proven themselves time and time again... there will always be a new line coming out every once in a while... but these roundheads will stay forever...

    miniong

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    Thumbs up ok

    sounds interesting like me beginner and roundhead fan . thanks sir....

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    Right...and if your bloodline starts to "decline" or the winning percentage is low then crossing them with good Roundheads lines will definitely improve them. Of all bloodlines I have seen, the Roundheads are by far one of the most impressive slasher fowl in cocking history.

    For breeders of Boston and Lacy Roundheads, pls share your own opinions bout this great bloodline.

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    Jam Fowl

    wow!nice chickens you have there!!..

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    Very nice fowls

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    gimini 1

    Very interesting post, My Lacy Roundhead are excellent when cross with
    BB Sweater, up to 3/4 Roundhead 1/4 Sweater... cheers...


    Yfis...

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    boston and lacy

    IMHO.....I have seen more lacys than bostons in the pit. Both are fast but in my opinion the bostons are more deliberate, straight, and deep cutting birds in the first three buckles and have the tendency to cripple their opponents before mixing up in the ground in a give and take shuffling. They will give a straight, single stroke blow that can be clearly seen landing on their target in these first few buckles and will shuffle upon impact. They don't fight too close and gives a wider clearance to hit their target which is more ideal in the long knife. Mostly, they will win unscathed but not so sensational and impressive to the majority of the onlookers.

    Most of the lacys that I saw fighting are multiple stroking birds. Some are accurate cutters too, but some will deliver multiple armalite like blows even before hitting the target, like a shadow boxer. They like to mix up in a very close fighting and will usually get a lot of cheerers. To most of the onlookers they are a sensational, awesome, jawdropper, and impressive fighter.

    It is a matter of personal preference. If I have to pick between the two, I will pick the Boston Rh.

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    very nice fowls JAM

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    boston roundheads

    From What Ive Heard And Read The Boston Roundhead Is Actually A Irish Whitehackle.that Showed Up In Boston Without An Id Tag.there Are Stories About That In The Gamecock. I Think The Aug/sept 2005 Issue...

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    Talking Boston And Lacy RH

    We have both lines before , the descriptions given by Alex G1 described them closedly to the once we once have. The Bostons being the more deliberate , "smarter" or cautious of the too and the Lacy's more of the aggressive kind. Unfortunately , poor breeding practices in our yard sent the Bostons we have to extinction, just recently. The Lacy Roundheads now i'm all out in preserving. Our best cross with our Boston was with Kelso's and YLH. As for the Lacy's i loved the cross we got from crossing it to our pyles.. something to do with the inherent lift and speed of the pyles that complement the multiple shuffling and smarts of the Lacy's. For some reason my Lacy RH's worst cross is with Kelso's.... Boston RH did very well with the Kelso's because of the lift that it complemented the Boston's fight style. all out of our backyard experience and experiments

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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    it depends where you to cross it to have a killing machine !

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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    This year breeding we will cross our Roundhead to our new bloodline in
    the Farm the Kearney Whitehackle, both sides, up to 3/4... cheers...


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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    on our farm we cross two bloodlines to the boston roundhead, kelso and albany

    we got good results on both crosses

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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    AlexG1 has described my bostons and lacy perfectly. I am using these roundheads to cross onto bigger peruvian fowl, will let you know next year.

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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    Good one

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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    Quote Originally Posted by franco30
    AlexG1 has described my bostons and lacy perfectly. I am using these roundheads to cross onto bigger peruvian fowl, will let you know next year.
    link to lacy roundhead, http://www.galloslatinos.com/modules...l_DSC00450.JPG

    link to boston roundhead,
    http://www.galloslatinos.com/modules...l_DSC00449.JPG

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    Carson Farm's HUGH NORMAN ROUNDHEAD 3 x Derby Winner



    Authentic Fowls from friends Bruce Barnett, Jerry Adkins, Jason Campbel, Mike Everet, etc. are available....

    For more information, please visit www.carsonfarm.com

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    Carson Farm's CAROL DAVIS ROUNDHEAD



    This bloodline is early maturing. It is good to cross with the our BB Double Right Sweaters, BB LORN Sweaters, Slick Lizard's 4 Webber Sweater, Blackwater "Possum" Sweaters...and currently with our newest addition to the farm KEARNY WHITEHACKLES.

    Authentic Stocks available from famous breeders in the United States...

    For more information please visit www.carsonfarm.com.

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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    Correction... CARL DAVIS ROUNDHEAD...originally from Slick Lizard Farm
    of Jerry Adkins and Jason Campbell... cheers...

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    WT AVALON
    We are looking forward on your breeding this coming season!!!

    "If you want good and authentic roosters.. visit www.carsonfarm.com"

    Cheers,
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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    Heres our Straight Breed Lacy Roundhead Came from North Carolina.
    Owned by an old man and after he quit cocking, he give away
    his broods to his nephew..
    Now breed by R/A Game Farm in Cebu...





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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    Sir Gemini,

    Thanks for the info., it is indeed educational for us.

    Sir Jam,

    Nice Roundheads.

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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    wt avalon, nice fowls, now i am getting confused, which breed should i get from you? they are all pogie, but i still like your claret. advance happy birthday kuya.

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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    V,

    If you are here in sunny California, we will celebrate it with corona beer, but
    there in Staten Island, New York, that Black Label is ok. cause' when I was
    there with you its' too cold... I talk to Ato already about your 2 Clarets hen,
    reserve only for a extra special friend like you... I will show you my new cross
    the Claret/ Roundhead of Carl Davis, one of the best bloodline I got...
    Mabuhay ka...

    Yfis...
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    Re: Carson Farm's CAROL DAVIS ROUNDHEAD

    good looking roundheads!!!

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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    I have both but fighting style and winning % wise I prefered Boston RH more depensive, smarter,calm and off beat.Blends well with Lemons.

    One of my Boston RH cock a multi winner already.Another brothers won against Roger Roberts of USA and famous Jun Topacio both WSC Champs.All 4 full brothers were all multi winners this bloodlines is I treasured most
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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    Sir Boots
    musta na! congratz sa pag Champion mo sa PAGBA!

    sana magkaroon nito sa Bulacan he he he!
    goodluck sa mga laban pang susunod!

    tama kayo sir medyo rusher ng konti ang Lacy,
    subukan ko sila i-blend sana okay ang labas.

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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    Hugn Norman RH have the Whitehackle infusion.

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    Re: The differences of Boston and Lacy Roundheads

    OakwoodGameFarm...

    What kind of Whitehackle that Hugh Norman Roundhead has an infusion...
    it is Kearney? or what? ... cheers...

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