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    thanks po gamebro....ang gaganda rin naman ng asils nyo
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    nice gamebirds sir, can u email me the pics of your available stags? pls. include the price, tnx! my email ad is redm_ny@yahoo.com.

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    thnx din pareng vince!

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    thnx pareng redm!

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    To all that asked to be e-mailed regarding the fowls, so sorry, I did not breed much and I have no time to attend to the chickens? To those that have e-mailed me back, before todays cut-off, I will honor their request and I will fulfill my commitments.........

    Vince,
    Goodluck on the doms. Like what I said, "they are M56 hazzards x Boles buliks. Experimental crosses, ganda ng body proportion at ng mga legs.........................


    Gamebro29,
    I did not know you are way ahead in naked heels in Iloilo. I got hold of those big Brazilians 5-6 years ago. Serge said,"tigil mo na yan, maganda na sukat ng sa atin". Pero I was curious how massive, impressive those birds are? Brazilians I used were very very big birds.

    I crossed them to my Orientals and they will break 3-4 feet in the air like B-52's. Legs out, headback pa rin. After 3-4 passes in the air, they will engaged themselves into neck wrestling.

    2 blocks away from home pagtumilaok akala mo nasa tabi mo lang, parang si Tarzan.

    Bawat isa would eat a fist size of grains a day. Namulubi ako? My best dreams became nightmares, pagtumilaok, gising ka talaga, talo ang alarm clock. I killed them all............ Now, I missed them?

    If only they could just be like Iron Mike Tyson, in size and proportion they could be better brawlers instead of being a Jabar or a Chamberlain?

    Gamebro29,
    Just want to ask, "whats the difference between local asils, Burmese asils and the Brazilians? naku, may shamo pa pala, this I understand are Japanese? I hope it's not much to ask? Most sabungero's I have met are overshadowed and overwhelmed with what they have and failed to express themselves why? Kaya bitin? Pa habol ano yung San Joaquin black? Please forgive my ignorance and curiosity and try to understand my interest on this type of fowls? Thanx...................
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    ok lang po sir don b...
    IGONS or BICOLS
    we have local asil called IGONS native from bicol-fighting style,mostly runners sila...umpisa palang tumatakbo na sila..di ibig sabihin na di sila lalaban..tatakbo sila ng ilang minuto..tapos kapag hiningal yung kalaban nila..dun na sila uumpisang sumipa..mostly yung igons or bicols ay matatapang at malalakas ang resistensya..2.3kg below weight nila..karamihan binabae..
    SHAMO
    SHAMOS-fighting style..mostly face to face fighters sila...mahilig sila mag neck wrestling...malalakas at malalaki...3.2kg up hanggang 5kg o malaki pa..saken meron ako 4.5kg. characteristics nila..broad shoulders,parang eagle yung mata..parang galit..hehe!
    BRAZILLIANS
    BAZILLIANS-fighting style mabilis,malalakas...parang ganun din fighting style nila sa shamos...kaya lang mas mababa timbang nila...sa shamo..at may built yung katawan.nilalaro sila sa south america na me gap...o short knife...na parang tahid din itsura...
    BURMESE
    BURMESE-fighting style..mabibilis..kahit anong posisyon sumisipa..mostly off color sila...itim at green legged....meron din yellow legged..2.8kg pababa..pero sa experience ko..kelangan nila ng crosses...example sa shamos or brazillians ok yun...para magkaroon sila ng built yung katawan..
    THAIS
    THAIS-fighting style...mostly lockers sila...lockers ibig sabihin..nakatanday yung leeg nila sa likod ng kalaban...bumabaligtad yung kalaban nila kapag sumipa...outbalanced kumbaga kapag sumipa yung kalaban...very accurate sila..
    ASILS
    ASILS-di sila kasinlaki ng shamos..pero sa itsura parang maliit na shamos mga 3.2kg pababa...magaganda yung asils na red..face to face din..matatapang,accurate,mabibilis,malalakas...
    my COBRAS
    COBRAS-sariling crosses kopo ito sir...i call them cobras kasi wala sila masyadong balahibo sa leeg...at mahahaba ang leeg..and theyre fighting style is combination of all...minus the igon

    sir don b...sir sariling experience kolang po yan..sa mga alaga kopo...at sa mga nababasa ko rin...thnx po..
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    sir don b?where nyo po nakita yung san joaquin black?

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    Yung san Joaquin black? Black Brazilian Shamo pala yung hen na nakita ko sa gallery mo na galing sa San Joaquin.

    It's amazing, ang dami nyo na pala pang naked heel. Madami siguro dyan, imports from the backdoor. Ang bawat isa may kakulangan at may kalamangan. Maganda na ang ginawa mo ng pagblend 3 ways ng Brazilian, Burmese at Shamo.

    Mukang mahirap lang siguro mag-maintain ng ganyang kalaking mga manok malakas kumain, pero nakakatuwa din dahil very exotic sila.

    Pati igon, umabot sa inyo. Pre, may nakita akong Jolo at local parawakan, how do they compare in fighting style, tibay ng katawan, palo, let's say against sa 3 way cross mo?

    Wala akong nakitang mga naked necks, mahina ba talaga sila at takbuhin?

    Gamebro29, maraming salamat sa wealth of info, nice to know people on the other side are enjoying, upgrading, and are dedicated to this types of gamebirds for naked heels.
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    yup sir don b..thnx ulit...
    tungkol po sa mga naked necks...iba po yung mga cobras ko...na naked din mga necks nila...pero di sila tumatakbo...yung mga nakikita natin noon na mga naked necks din po..ay pang meat purposes or pangkatay lang po sila...di po sila lahing pang nakedheels...or asils...pinapalaki lang sila for theyre meat..yung ganois from vietnam karamihan po sa kanila walang balahibo din sa leeg...matatapang at halos complete fighter din...
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    ang sa jolo po natin sir...na galing mismo sa jolo sa mindanao...sila ay great fighters po...mostly lockers...at complete fighter...saludo po ako don...marami akong kaibigan..at buyers...na nagdadala ng jolo for crosses na rin sa mga imported bloodlines ko...wala po akong nakikita na kulang sa kanila...
    kung kumpara po natin sa mga bloodlines kopo...di naman pwedeng maski imported di matatalo...medyo may lamang lang tayo ng konti sa bloodlines...at panalo...
    kelangan experiments tayo sa mga bloodlines kung san yung pinakamagaling at don tayo mag concentrate ng pagbreeding...
    sa pagkain po..di naman ako nauubusan,mga kapatid kopo bahala sa gastos...apat po sila sa states..yung ilang breeds kopo sa kanila din nanggaling...kapag may problema sa poultry anjan mga kaibigan ko tumutulong...marami kasi akong mga kaibigan na mga nakedheelers din...mga kasama kona sila..mga 20 years na...nag simula ako mag alaga nung 13 years old ako..now im 33 years old...ako po yung pinaka bata sa kanila..hehe!
    sumasama na ako sa kanila sa pauwak...
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    gamebro,
    Yes, I understand about the naked necks called cobra here. I was more interested on the naked necks for naked heel fighting? Mukang walang umabot sa inyo. I have been trying to look for the good ones to develop, just the looks.

    Ikaw talaga, kung nakakalamang ka ng konti sa bloodline at panalo, tama ang ginagawa mo. Napansin ko lang sa Brazilians at Shamo, mukang matindi yung bone structure. Mahirap pabagsakin. Mukang malakas bumira pero mukang madalang?

    Mukang maganda ang fellowship ng brotherhood nyo ng mga nakedheelers. Tulungan pa rin. Isa pa napansin ko sa mga manok nyo, mukang habang tinitrain nyo, na workout din kayo.

    http://www.ganoi.com/photopost/data/501/Image_282_.jpg

    gamebro, ito 7xwinner mo, body puncher, ano lahi nito? Mukang maganda sukat, hindi kalakihan?

    http://www.ganoi.com/photopost/data/..._ASILS_063.jpg

    Maganda itong blue mo

    http://www.ganoi.com/photopost/data/...mmindanao4.jpg

    mga galing Mindanao, Jolo, very tight? Mga headhunters ba talaga sila lahat? Parang parehas lang ng mga asil japs ko. Pwede kaya sila sa knife as is? Ano recipe nila sa patuka dito sa mga Jolo?
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    sir don b..yung timbang ng cobra...mga 2.6 hanggang 3.3kg lang sila mas mabigat parin timbang ng shamos..
    yung bulik sir only 3 tyms winner at he died 7 years ago...hehe!isa sya sa mga original na bulik ko malaysian..3 kinds ang bulik na meron ako...thai,burmese and malaysian.
    sa pagkain po naman sir don b...di naman nagkakalayo sa pagkain ng lk fowls...medyo marami konti whole corn at high protein pellets...at dumadagdag ako ng carbo..kapag malapit na fight nila...naglalagay din ako ng veges at fruits...
    sa jolo po naman na galing mindanao...yung nakuha ko puro head hunters...meron din body punchers na jolo...pero madalang...dilikado din minsan na may kalaban ka na body punchers...kasi puro vital points kumbaga yung tinatamaan...nawawalan ng balanse ang kalaban...kapag tinamaan ng isang matindi ang kalaban niya sa bandang shoulders...magiging baldado agad manok mo...
    minsan nag cross din ang friend ko ng jolo...sa texas...3 yung inilaban nya..2 panalo isang talo...sa tingin kopo sir don b...depende na rin sa bloodline ng texas na e ko cross...saken kapag gusto ko e cross e sa hatch..at kelangan mga 25% or less nalang ang jolo...or yung nakedheels...
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    yup sir..yung shamos at brazillians ay matindi talaga ang bone structure...at meat or muscle structure nila...saken sir..yung shamo na nakuha ko at brazillians ay mabibilis sila...at madiskarte sa laro...meron din na shamos na madalang sumipa at gumalaw...di lahat parehas din ang lakas at bilis...
    kami kasi ng mga kaibigan ko sir parang solid yung grupo namin...nagtutulungan kami...pero meron din akong kaibigan na nung makakuha na ng manok saken..eh humilay naman...nagbreeding at nagbenta ng nagbenta hehe!
    thnx sir don b sa mga tanong nyo po...

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    gamebro,
    Salamat sa mga info, pasensya na pre curious lang talaga ako sa mga Brazilians o imports nyo. Yung mga cobra mo sa mga 2.6 hanggang 3.3kg na timbang, hindi sila kabigatan. Yung ginamit ko kasi, 2x or more yung weight at size. Giant talaga, baka 7-8 kilos tulad ng mga kay Wildfoot. Goodluck pre..................

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    don b,

    dagdag kaalaman lang dun sa burmese. i've done some research about orientals for LK infusion. sa burmese lang makikita ang "free kick fighting style". sila yung sumisipa ng kalaban kapag papalapit na ito. hinde sila nakikipag neck wrestling. mostly free kick lang. kaya tingin ko mas maganda sila pang long knife. mas malaki ang posibilidad na matsambahan kaagad ang pag cross.
    pangalawa, maliliit lang sila pinakamalaki na yung 2.8kls pababa. yung mga pure burmese sa ngayon ay crosses sila ng burma at thai. may nakausap akong member dito sa sabong.net na nasa myanmar (burma) at nagtanong ako regarding burmese. sabi nya bawal na daw doon ang sabong ng naked heel. meron pa ring mangilan-ngilan pero patago. karamihan ay nagme-maintain na lang ng panlaban 10-15 heads at backyard operation lang.
    sa thailand mas laganap ang lahing burmese (crosses ng pure burmesexthai). sikat sa thailand ang lahing burmese dahil sila ang tumatalo sa super lock style ng thai's at iba pang asils. karamihan ng crosses nila dun ay thaixburmese. tinatawag din silang pama, nag-evolve na salita from burma. hinde ma pronounce ng mga thai's ang b at itoy nagiging p, kaya ang tawag ay purma.
    marami pa sana kaya lang mahaba na ito hehehe...

    attach ay isang burmese o pama from thai website:
    http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...628/1698-8.jpg
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    totoo yan pareng earan...at karamihan sa mga burmese anti lockers sila...thnx po sir don b!

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    Gamebro wrote:
    BURMESE-fighting style..mabibilis..kahit anong posisyon sumisipa..mostly off color sila...itim at green legged....meron din yellow legged..2.8kg pababa..pero sa experience ko..kelangan nila ng crosses...example sa shamos or brazillians ok yun...para magkaroon sila ng built yung katawan..

    Earan wrote:
    sa burmese lang makikita ang "free kick fighting style". sila yung sumisipa ng kalaban kapag papalapit na ito. hinde sila nakikipag neck wrestling. mostly free kick lang. kaya tingin ko mas maganda sila pang long knife. mas malaki ang posibilidad na matsambahan kaagad ang pag cross.
    pangalawa, maliliit lang sila pinakamalaki na yung 2.8kls pababa.

    Gamebro, Earan,
    WOW, what can I say? Maraming salamat sa inyong dalawa..................... You both have done your research and shared the knowledge........................ Gamebro, talked about crossing the Burmese more to Shamos or Brazillians for naked heel while.................... Earan wrote about the Burmese for long knife infusion............ I was really going to ask Gamebro which type of Orientals would be good for long knife infusion, but I decided to step on the brakes, since he had develop his own blend, thanks Earan................ Both your post could serve as a guide for those that would go deeper grading Orientals. Offcourse we may have different results. I would say grading Orientals for whatever weapon , is a very good experienced for gamefowl breeders............. Gamefowl Breeders who have the Heart that understands and not just the cocking fever.

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    parekoyyyyyyyyy
    pwede bang magtanong
    gusto ko sanang tanungin ka pre
    kung bakit gusto mong
    sa hatch sila i cross?
    ano ba meron sa hatch na
    naipapasa ng maganda sa mga jolo fowl?
    kapag gumamit ka ba ng hatch
    sa crossbreeding mo sa mga jolo
    e hatch broodcock ba?
    o hatch broodhen?


    Quote Originally Posted by gamebro29
    sir don b..yung timbang ng cobra...mga 2.6 hanggang 3.3kg lang sila mas mabigat parin timbang ng shamos..
    yung bulik sir only 3 tyms winner at he died 7 years ago...hehe!isa sya sa mga original na bulik ko malaysian..3 kinds ang bulik na meron ako...thai,burmese and malaysian.
    sa pagkain po naman sir don b...di naman nagkakalayo sa pagkain ng lk fowls...medyo marami konti whole corn at high protein pellets...at dumadagdag ako ng carbo..kapag malapit na fight nila...naglalagay din ako ng veges at fruits...
    sa jolo po naman na galing mindanao...yung nakuha ko puro head hunters...meron din body punchers na jolo...pero madalang...dilikado din minsan na may kalaban ka na body punchers...kasi puro vital points kumbaga yung tinatamaan...nawawalan ng balanse ang kalaban...kapag tinamaan ng isang matindi ang kalaban niya sa bandang shoulders...magiging baldado agad manok mo...
    minsan nag cross din ang friend ko ng jolo...sa texas...3 yung inilaban nya..2 panalo isang talo...sa tingin kopo sir don b...depende na rin sa bloodline ng texas na e ko cross...saken kapag gusto ko e cross e sa hatch..at kelangan mga 25% or less nalang ang jolo...or yung nakedheels...

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    thnx sa tanong mo pareng expressdelivery...saken gusto ko yung hatch na broodhen...
    kasi na try na ng mga kaibigan ko na mag cross sa hatches at succesful sila...crosses asil at hatch....nanalo.yung panlaban nila mga 25% na lang sa asils bloodline...yung gamit nila na hatch...lazy hatch at yellowlegged. ito yung crosses na limit nilang ginagamit...lazyhatch50%xlemon84 25%xasil 25%..
    or lemon84 50% x yellowlegged25% x asil 25%
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    thnx pareng don b! in nakedheels...not all pure breed is perfect..or complete...they need to cross to another bloodline to perfection...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamebro29
    thnx pareng don b! in nakedheels...not all pure breed is perfect..or complete...they need to cross to another bloodline to perfection...
    i agree! siguro let's say kapag asil to asil, shamo to shamo, thai to thai ay pwede pa. kaya lang sa naked heel, di mo alam kung anong breed makakalaban mo, mostly crosses kaya maraming style. sa thailand sikat ngayon ang burmesexthai cross nila kasi all around ito kahit anong style ang itapat mo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expressdelivery
    parekoyyyyyyyyy
    pwede bang magtanong
    gusto ko sanang tanungin ka pre
    kung bakit gusto mong
    sa hatch sila i cross?
    ano ba meron sa hatch na
    naipapasa ng maganda sa mga jolo fowl?
    kapag gumamit ka ba ng hatch
    sa crossbreeding mo sa mga jolo
    e hatch broodcock ba?
    o hatch broodhen?
    pre express,

    hinde naman sa nagmamarunong ako, dagdag input ko lang, just for consideration...
    kadalasan maririnig natin sa ibang asil breeder na dapat 1/4, 1/8, or 1/16 ang asil blood na dapat ihalo sa american fowl. disagree ako dito.
    kc kung asil broodcock ang ginamit mo X american fowl. siyempre magmamana ang mga stags sa inahen (american fowl). so dito merong tsamba factor. maski 1/2 lang ay makukuha mo na yung gusto mong style ng laro na hinahanap mo. at walang garantiya na yung 1/4, 1/8 or 1/16 ay makakakuha ka ng mas magaling. come to think of it!
    nakita ko rin ito sa kaibigan ko na nagbre-breed ng asilxtexas. minsan 1/2 lang ay pwede ng pang LK.
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    thats nice pareng earan..!
    itong pix kuha nung pumunta si pareng bimbo sa poultry...isa rin sya sa member sa ganoi.com..pinapasali korin sya dito satin sa sabong.net...para masaya..hehe!
    http://www.ganoi.com/photopost/showp...&ppuser=100746
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    Sa palagay ko, sa crossing ng 3-4 or more lines for the grades, you will know where they blend best so we can breedback or crisscross for more? Depending on your sets of standard? Yung mongrel process also takes over............... Hindi na limited or handicap ang body, sa movements of being pure (American) or too exotic (Oriental)................. Mayron ng flight flexibility(longer-shorter stronger wings) at mabilis na pagkilos (improved meat, bone, structure for speed, muscle tone for action and reaction)............ Kailangan may surviival instinct din para may ka-ingatan sa paglaban by killing quick and clean as they age..

    Pwede sigurong ma-tsambahan, tulad ng sinabi ni Earan, pero how do you breed on? The family would have to hold?............ Yung sinasabi ni Gamebro na body punchers, baka mas maganda ipang grade?................. Yung headhunters baka pwede rin, basta sharp shooter. To get the job done, palagay ko kailangan deceptive, illusive, evasive sila, with superb cutting ability and hope they breed on and don't come out in different proportions?

    Earan, Gamebro,
    Yung sinasabi nyong mga 1/4, 1/2 grades, na maganda results for the knife, ano ang fighting style, Agressive? Offensive? single strokers (pitik-pitik, taga), legs out o shufflers? Head hunters ba? or do they also go for the body?

    Gamebro, if you put a pic here, use the 2nd link yung bb code

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    many thanks for the input pareng earan
    let me share an input from pareng ferdz
    breeder of bulik apatot

    he crossbred a bulik apatot sa parawakan
    yung 1/2 bulik apatot 1/2 parawakan
    ay para raw diesel
    medyo may kabagalan
    bali yung dating bilis ng mga bulik apatot
    ng mai cross sa parawakan
    ay binatak ng kabagalan ng parawakan
    naging diesel........bumagal ang mga anak
    although anduon ang pagiging sharpshooter nila
    kapag bumira at nakasalat
    pasok at baon na baon ang bira

    he wanted to discontinued the crossbreed
    but changed his mind
    and gave a second try
    gumawa siya ng three way cross
    na according to him
    ay excellent
    eto blood composistion ng three way cross
    1/2 bulik apatot- 1/4 parawakan- 1/4 sweater

    Quote Originally Posted by earan
    pre express,

    hinde naman sa nagmamarunong ako, dagdag input ko lang, just for consideration...
    kadalasan maririnig natin sa ibang asil breeder na dapat 1/4, 1/8, or 1/16 ang asil blood na dapat ihalo sa american fowl. disagree ako dito.
    kc kung asil broodcock ang ginamit mo X american fowl. siyempre magmamana ang mga stags sa inahen (american fowl). so dito merong tsamba factor. maski 1/2 lang ay makukuha mo na yung gusto mong style ng laro na hinahanap mo. at walang garantiya na yung 1/4, 1/8 or 1/16 ay makakakuha ka ng mas magaling. come to think of it!
    nakita ko rin ito sa kaibigan ko na nagbre-breed ng asilxtexas. minsan 1/2 lang ay pwede ng pang LK.
    Last edited by expressdelivery; July 30th, 2007 at 04:53 AM.

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    thnx pareng don b!

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    bossing
    Maganda po results sa sweater at roundhead, Bakit po nag 1/4 Boles ako parang humina at hindi maganda lumabas. Roundhead cock po cross sa 1/2 boles 1/2 sweater? Ganun din ho sa sweater cock x sa Boles Roundhead?

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    up ko lang at gusto ko mabasa sagot nila

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