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    Mga Cockmates Tanong Lang Ako Sa Inyo Kasi Ako Mag-uumpisa Palang Mag Breeding Ng Manok.ilang Beses Ba Ibalik Ang Anak Sa Broodfowl Para Makuha Ko Ang Seedfowl?????? Sa Wala Pa Maraming Salamat Sa Inyo.

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    Re: inbreeding

    Quote Originally Posted by ralph_david
    Mga Cockmates Tanong Lang Ako Sa Inyo Kasi Ako Mag-uumpisa Palang Mag Breeding Ng Manok.ilang Beses Ba Ibalik Ang Anak Sa Broodfowl Para Makuha Ko Ang Seedfowl?????? Sa Wala Pa Maraming Salamat Sa Inyo.

    try to read locking of genes forum...
    http://sabong.net.ph/forum/showthread.php?t=26550

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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph_david
    Mga Cockmates Tanong Lang Ako Sa Inyo Kasi Ako Mag-uumpisa Palang Mag Breeding Ng Manok.ilang Beses Ba Ibalik Ang Anak Sa Broodfowl Para Makuha Ko Ang Seedfowl?????? Sa Wala Pa Maraming Salamat Sa Inyo.
    BOSS, kung mag start ka pa lang breeding mo suggestion ko wag ka muna mag intense inbreeding (Father to daughter, mother to son, bro to sis). kung magaling talaga broodcock mo at PREPOTENT try to get some broodhen maybe 5 with diffrent blood lines and singlemate them with your broodcock, mark the chicks so that u will know later which sons are winning in the pit, get the winning percentage and if luckily you get at least 2 hens from the 5 hens u used with 70% winning pababahin mo un anak na lalake sa anak na babae ng magkaibang inahen (remember isa lang ang pinanggalingan ng mga ito) at kung nananalo ang mga anak ibalik mo ulet un mga kapatid na pullets dun sa original na broodcock...thru this naipasa mo gradually un dugo ng original BC with out using intense inbreeding (narraganset style)...mas safe ito kesa nababasa mong INBREEDING.PERSONAL KONG EXPERIENCE...D MAGANDA PAG INTENSE INBREEDING.sana makatulong.
    Last edited by whiteJackeT; August 19th, 2007 at 01:34 PM.

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    Re: inbreeding

    Quote Originally Posted by BLISS Argao
    try to read locking of genes forum...
    http://sabong.net.ph/forum/showthread.php?t=26550
    locking of genes will not assure us of W's...there are still pros and cons...

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    Re: inbreeding

    Quote Originally Posted by ralph_david
    Mga Cockmates Tanong Lang Ako Sa Inyo Kasi Ako Mag-uumpisa Palang Mag Breeding Ng Manok.ilang Beses Ba Ibalik Ang Anak Sa Broodfowl Para Makuha Ko Ang Seedfowl?????? Sa Wala Pa Maraming Salamat Sa Inyo.
    Read and read again those articles that pertains Breeding and Raising Gamefowl. identify your objectives in breeding and the proper way of raising the gamefowl. marami kang nababasa dito sa site tungkol sa mga nangyayari sa mga palahi nila. ang iba ay nagkakasakit at hindi nalalaman kung ano ang sakit na dumapo sa kanilang backyard.
    Bago mo uumpisahan ang pag bbreeding mo ay seguradohin mo na inbreed nga ang mga materiales mong gagamitin upang pawang magaganda ang resulta sa gagawin mo to attain your objectives to have SEEDFOWL.
    Along the way of this objective, you need to have a program how to raise or rear your chickens well para those fowls that you will use in the future as materials were grown and raised healthy. in this way your objectives are not far far away. also, you need to have knowledge in diagnosing illness and diseases dahil marami sa atin dito na madalas nalilito kung anong sakit ang dumapo sa manok at anong gamot ang gagamitin.

    Keep your Heads Up and Good Luck to your Breeding!!!

    BullRider

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    Re: inbreeding

    Quote Originally Posted by BullRider
    Read and read again those articles that pertains Breeding and Raising Gamefowl. identify your objectives in breeding and the proper way of raising the gamefowl. marami kang nababasa dito sa site tungkol sa mga nangyayari sa mga palahi nila. ang iba ay nagkakasakit at hindi nalalaman kung ano ang sakit na dumapo sa kanilang backyard.
    Bago mo uumpisahan ang pag bbreeding mo ay seguradohin mo na inbreed nga ang mga materiales mong gagamitin upang pawang magaganda ang resulta sa gagawin mo to attain your objectives to have SEEDFOWL.
    Along the way of this objective, you need to have a program how to raise or rear your chickens well para those fowls that you will use in the future as materials were grown and raised healthy. in this way your objectives are not far far away. also, you need to have knowledge in diagnosing illness and diseases dahil marami sa atin dito na madalas nalilito kung anong sakit ang dumapo sa manok at anong gamot ang gagamitin.

    Keep your Heads Up and Good Luck to your Breeding!!!

    BullRider
    Tama ka brod bull rider...read and read lang.
    ako, may balak magbreeding uli
    kaya lang ngayon na marami na akong inputs,
    nagdalawang isip na ako kasi marami pa pala
    akong dapat malaman..

    based sa natutunan ko dito sa forum,
    mas mabuti muna na kumuha nalang ng
    pure inbred na broodcock,
    lets say
    pure inbred sweater
    paresan mo ito ng pure inbred hens,
    lets say
    pure inbred hatch,
    pure inbred kelso,
    pure inbred lemon,
    pagkatapos ng one year,
    testing mo mga offsprings to find out
    aling pairing ang successful at winners.
    pag na identify mo ang winning combination,
    breed mo uli same pair para may
    mga battlecock winners ka palagi.
    pero kailangan mo rin magsimulang mag inbreed
    para makuha mo yung dugo ng broodcock at dugo ng hen
    para balang araw ay may winning combination ka pa rin
    ambot kung tama ba ang pagkaintindi ko ...
    corik me if mali po pagka intindi ko...hehehe
    gusto ko lang pong matuto para hindi masyado sayang
    ang panahon at pera sa pagsimulang mag farm.

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    Re: inbreeding

    sir bliss,tama ka dyan....stay lang sa forum...tested ko dami ko nalalaman,natutuklasan,at natutunan sa forum lalo sa magagaling at ekspiriansado nang mga breeder at kasabong..gud luck....to new breeders like me hehehehe........

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    Re: inbreeding

    tama sila kaibigan, basa lang ng basa dito sa forum at marami kang matututunan... tulad ko sa dami nabasa ko sa forum na ito eh nagawa ko nang mag "compile" ng mga natutunan ko at gawa ako ng "guideline" ko...

    eto share ko lang sa inyo mga natutunan ko dito sa net:

    http://sabong.net.ph/forum/showthread.php?t=26481

    eto nman yung iniisip kong breeding strategy para lagi ako may battlefowls and at the same time gumagawa ng broodfowls... syempre lahat ng ito e thru intense SELECTION for your preference...



    hope this will help another newbie like me...

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    bai Bliss,

    xacto ka dyan.. you didn't miss a point !!!
    sa selection mo nalang yan nagkakatalo sa pagpili ng mga materiales na gagamitin mo on the next season... ug kung darating ang panahon na kailangan mong ilaban ang "pure" or uniformed looking roosters and are winning.. then you could say "i reach the peak of being a breeder". fighting them pure is the epitome that you could be called as "breeder". kung mga crosses palang, hindi pa yan masablay sa abaga nga tawgon kang breeder.

    raising them healthy is part of breeding dahil hindi ka dapat gagamit ng mga materiales na dumaan sa pagkakasakit. mangyari ang magiging resulta sa pagbbreeding mo ay mahihina and sakitin din. hence, we should be knowledgeable in diagnosing and most of all, preventing illness and diseases in our flock. kaya i highly suggest, that those aspiring to breed gamefowls must have sufficient or say, adequate knowledge in these aspects.

    duol na fiesta sa Argao bai.. duna me friend diha.. si Edgar Flores (anak ni Nang Diding Vicente) he is with the Philippine Army when were together in Cebu at the back of South General Hospital.

    Keep it UP.. Good Luck to your Breeding Plans!

    BullRider

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    Smile Re: inbreeding

    Itaas ko lang...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BullRider
    bai Bliss,

    xacto ka dyan.. you didn't miss a point !!!
    sa selection mo nalang yan nagkakatalo sa pagpili ng mga materiales na gagamitin mo on the next season... ug kung darating ang panahon na kailangan mong ilaban ang "pure" or uniformed looking roosters and are winning.. then you could say "i reach the peak of being a breeder". fighting them pure is the epitome that you could be called as "breeder". kung mga crosses palang, hindi pa yan masablay sa abaga nga tawgon kang breeder.

    raising them healthy is part of breeding dahil hindi ka dapat gagamit ng mga materiales na dumaan sa pagkakasakit. mangyari ang magiging resulta sa pagbbreeding mo ay mahihina and sakitin din. hence, we should be knowledgeable in diagnosing and most of all, preventing illness and diseases in our flock. kaya i highly suggest, that those aspiring to breed gamefowls must have sufficient or say, adequate knowledge in these aspects.

    duol na fiesta sa Argao bai.. duna me friend diha.. si Edgar Flores (anak ni Nang Diding Vicente) he is with the Philippine Army when were together in Cebu at the back of South General Hospital.

    Keep it UP.. Good Luck to your Breeding Plans!

    BullRider

    brods stjohnfarm and bullrider,
    salamat sa confirmation.
    ang problema ko ngayon is where to look for pure inbreed materials .
    so, read na naman ng read on which is the right farm to buy for the best particular pure inbreed bloodline. Dahil nga sa budgeted ko ang pagstart ng breeding program, ang mangyayari nito ay hindit talaga ako bibili ng trio kasi ang intention ko is to buy broodcock doon sa farm na proven ang linyadang intention ko for my broodcock.
    At sa ibang farm naman ako bibili ng hen na proven naman ang particular bloodline na gusto ko sa hens...

    bai bullrider, wala ko kaila sa ining name bai pero ang apilido kay daghan kaayo ni sa argao. pero kung iyaha erpat is a teacher then murag kaila ko iyaha erpat.
    Pista na gani sa argao ang istoryahan, one particular delicacy ang magpatubod sa akong laway...TORTA!
    Lahi raman gud ang torta sa argao kay magkalami kung mabahaw na...

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    Re: inbreeding

    may hiyang ko ang crossbreeding
    kesa inbreeding
    hehehe

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    Re: inbreeding

    Quote Originally Posted by ralph_david
    Mga Cockmates Tanong Lang Ako Sa Inyo Kasi Ako Mag-uumpisa Palang Mag Breeding Ng Manok.ilang Beses Ba Ibalik Ang Anak Sa Broodfowl Para Makuha Ko Ang Seedfowl?????? Sa Wala Pa Maraming Salamat Sa Inyo.

    Pag backyard breeder ka use only mild inbreeding and outcrossing, don't ever try close intensive inbreeding or else you will lose your t-shirt. Wag gumaya sa bigtime breeder. Yung ibang backyard breeder nakita ko manok nila ay lumiliit dahil sa ka-iinbred para nang loro tuloy ang size.

    Kung bigtime breeder ka, its up to you to cull 100 of defective chickens just to get the best size and perfectly made purebreds.

    Or else, kung mahina ka math....better use the Walter Kelso breeding method. Crossbreeding, breeding only the best fighters that impressed him in the pit to produce winning lines. Ipares mo sa sisters ng mga winner mo jan. Ito ang pinaka "safe" sa mga baguhan dahil di complicated...sigurado pang healthy manok mo.

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    Re: inbreeding

    Quote Originally Posted by ralph_david
    Mga Cockmates Tanong Lang Ako Sa Inyo Kasi Ako Mag-uumpisa Palang Mag Breeding Ng Manok.ilang Beses Ba Ibalik Ang Anak Sa Broodfowl Para Makuha Ko Ang Seedfowl?????? Sa Wala Pa Maraming Salamat Sa Inyo.
    P're tama yung sinasabi nila rito sa isang banda. Pero kung nasa kamay mo na ang linyada say isang trio ng Roundhead na gusto mong i-maintain ang linyada ng mahabang panahon, then tama ng sundin mo ang linebreeding program. 3 balik, yan ang payo sa akin nung old timer na kinunan ko ng stocks dito sa US , wag lalampas dito. I would suggest na alamain mo ang ideal cross nung manok na minemaintain mo, dito mo sa linyadang ito "padaanin". It would help kung alam mo kung sino ang may kadugo ng mga manok mong ilinebred dahil sa paglaon maganda kung makakuha ka ng stocks na relatives ng nilinebreed mo to "crop" up the stock. so far favorable ang resulta ng mga inbred namin na manok, matter of fact sila ang magaganda ang win percentage sa amin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini1
    Pag backyard breeder ka use only mild inbreeding and outcrossing, don't ever try close intensive inbreeding or else you will lose your t-shirt. Wag gumaya sa bigtime breeder. Yung ibang backyard breeder nakita ko manok nila ay lumiliit dahil sa ka-iinbred para nang loro tuloy ang size.

    Kung bigtime breeder ka, its up to you to cull 100 of defective chickens just to get the best size and perfectly made purebreds.

    Or else, kung mahina ka math....better use the Walter Kelso breeding method. Crossbreeding, breeding only the best fighters that impressed him in the pit to produce winning lines. Ipares mo sa sisters ng mga winner mo jan. Ito ang pinaka "safe" sa mga baguhan dahil di complicated...sigurado pang healthy manok mo.
    P're even for backyard breeders linebreeding is feasible. doon sa amin i have to overcome a lot of barriers para mapilitang mag-linebreeding yung kapatid ko, very enticing kasi ang "shot gun breeding" dahil sa inherent na high breed vigor ng mga anak. So it took not less than losing the winningest broodcock at hen doon sa amin without proper succession, meaning tapos ang lahi para marealize din ng utol ko na there has to be a way to salvage the bloodlines he love. Ang kelangan mo lang naman sa linebreeding e isang pares ng "Buo" na manok kada mating, this can easily be done during the off season mating. Isang pares, thats it. Saamin ang bilin ko, kumutan na nila , kahit lumaki sa tangkal, dahil literal na dugo lang nito ang premyadong habol rito.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gemini1
    Pag backyard breeder ka use only mild inbreeding and outcrossing, don't ever try close intensive inbreeding or else you will lose your t-shirt. Wag gumaya sa bigtime breeder. Yung ibang backyard breeder nakita ko manok nila ay lumiliit dahil sa ka-iinbred para nang loro tuloy ang size.

    Kung bigtime breeder ka, its up to you to cull 100 of defective chickens just to get the best size and perfectly made purebreds.

    Or else, kung mahina ka math....better use the Walter Kelso breeding method. Crossbreeding, breeding only the best fighters that impressed him in the pit to produce winning lines. Ipares mo sa sisters ng mga winner mo jan. Ito ang pinaka "safe" sa mga baguhan dahil di complicated...sigurado pang healthy manok mo.
    why? dahil ba backyard breeder lang? if you've researched and studied and planned the inbreeding you'll do for you fowls eh go ka... just make sure desidido ka and well planned... In our case we lost a lot of good chickens to age or the method of crossing best to the best... for a while you'll be winning but when time catches up with you, gone... wouldn't the chance of keeping your winning line fowls worth the gamble/risk? as long as you are patient and "SELECT WELL" enough you'll get thru... IMHO

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    Re: inbreeding

    Mga Cockmates Tanong Lang Ako Sa Inyo Kasi Ako Mag-uumpisa Palang Mag Breeding Ng Manok.ilang Beses Ba Ibalik Ang Anak Sa Broodfowl Para Makuha Ko Ang Seedfowl?????? Sa Wala Pa Maraming Salamat Sa Inyo.

    Sa ganang akin, pwede mo ibalik ang mga anak sa broodfowls hanggang 4 or 5 generations basta walang pinakita na deperensiya ang mga anak dahil sa inbreeding depression. Ngunit kagaya ng karamihan bakit ka mag intense inbreeding kung small time o backyard breeding lang ang antas natin. Sayang ang manok na papatayin resulta ng inbreeding. I suggest Linebreed nyo nalang.

    Cheers,

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    Re: inbreeding

    Quote Originally Posted by ralph_david
    Mga Cockmates Tanong Lang Ako Sa Inyo Kasi Ako Mag-uumpisa Palang Mag Breeding Ng Manok.ilang Beses Ba Ibalik Ang Anak Sa Broodfowl Para Makuha Ko Ang Seedfowl?????? Sa Wala Pa Maraming Salamat Sa Inyo.

    Bro ilaban mo muna ang mga anak at saka ka gumawa ng seedfowl kasi walang kwenta kahit anong ganda ang materials mo kung hindi tested sa ruweda ang mga anak.Dito mo lang malalaman kung kailangang gumawa ka ng seedfowl at kung may seedfowl ka man ay dapat alam mo kung saan i cross o magnick ito kasi wala ring kwenta ang seedfowl kung hindi naman ito magnick sa ibang bloodlines.

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    Re: inbreeding

    you might not take my word for it, but inbreeding (bro-sis mating) is as intense as line breeding (child-parent mating). so with that please read the article in the zine archive (Breeding and Selection by Dr. Andrew T. Bunan).

    http://sabong.net.ph/news/?module=di...45&format=html

    I know I picked up a lot of information here when I first read it 2 years ago... enjoy...

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    Re: inbreeding

    just read about breeding ang lacking the genes is must good to the beginners....
    just theory and apllied as expirence

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    Re: inbreeding

    Quote Originally Posted by expressdelivery
    may hiyang ko ang crossbreeding
    kesa inbreeding
    hehehe
    preng tsamp..
    alam mo yan... ikaw pa ang nagturo sa akin
    you can't have hybrid vigor with crossbreed materials
    but with inbreed ones only...

    may entry ka ba pre sa mga Stag Derbies ngayon?
    ang magandang salihan pre yong may video coverage
    at ng makikita naman natin ang ginawa ng mga palahi natin..
    napakalungkot ang malayo ka at hindi napapanood ang laban..

    GOOD LUCK preng tsamp

    BullRider

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    sabi ni Bunanan...sa unang mating ng bro sis,father daughter,mother son may inbreeding
    depressions na di pa lang halata sa offspring...

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    Re: inbreeding

    Quote Originally Posted by whiteJackeT
    sabi ni Bunanan...sa unang mating ng bro sis,father daughter,mother son may inbreeding
    depressions na di pa lang halata sa offspring...
    hindi ko nabasa yang libro nila pre white jacket...

    pero kung meron kang alam na mga depressions na maaring lumabas sa resulta ng inbreeding katulad ng "brother-sister", maari mo bang i-post dito sa thread upang mas malinaw at magkakapalitan ng kaniyang position at disposition.

    Thanks..

    BullRider

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