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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    just to share and
    ask and help...

    i bought B12...
    neurobion (ampoules)
    injection B12 1000ug
    cyanacobalamin...B6 100mg
    pyridoxime hydrochloride..
    B1 100mg thiamine chloride


    B12, B6 & B1 in whole
    package its this ok to
    our fighting cocks
    made in germany

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by msb_marvin
    just to share and
    ask and help...

    i bought B12...
    neurobion (ampoules)
    injection B12 1000ug
    cyanacobalamin...B6 100mg
    pyridoxime hydrochloride..
    B1 100mg thiamine chloride


    B12, B6 & B1 in whole
    package its this ok to
    our fighting cocks
    made in germany
    read the prescription and if you think it will helps use it but surely B12 will work something on your chickens. but as what i've read from other thread 5000mcg cyanocobalamin composition is much better.

    happy cocking.

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by OREVON
    read the prescription and if you think it will helps use it but surely B12 will work something on your chickens. but as what i've read from other thread 5000mcg cyanocobalamin composition is much better.

    happy cocking.
    FOR OUR CHICKEN I THINK WE DONT NEED THAT MUCH DOSAGE.....EXAMPLE 1000 MG. .30ML P/INJECTION...... 5000 MG. .10ML P/INJECTION......IF YOU GIVE THE SAME DOSAGE WITH 1000 MG. PATAY YUNG MANOK MO KASAMA PERA MO.

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by geronimo_46
    FOR OUR CHICKEN I THINK WE DONT NEED THAT MUCH DOSAGE.....EXAMPLE 1000 MG. .30ML P/INJECTION...... 5000 MG. .10ML P/INJECTION......IF YOU GIVE THE SAME DOSAGE WITH 1000 MG. PATAY YUNG MANOK MO KASAMA PERA MO.
    prescription is different from the dosage.

    Prescription is the overall information about the medicine.

    And we're talking here about the prescription. Most cockers prefers cyanocobalamin 5000mcg because of very small dosage of 0.10ml per intravenous application.

    Dosage is the amount of liquid that you need to give intravenously.

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by OREVON
    read the prescription and if you think it will helps use it but surely B12 will work something on your chickens. but as what i've read from other thread 5000mcg cyanocobalamin composition is much better.
    Quote Originally Posted by OREVON


    happy cocking.

    tnx for your info
    but as up now i
    can not find B12
    with 5000mcg.
    i read the prescription
    that this vitamins is
    good for human body.
    ok i will try this vit. in
    my vacation in PI and
    i will post later on it is
    good for conditioning
    of fighting cock. by the
    way tnx again sir.

    Last edited by msb_marvin; July 23rd, 2008 at 02:30 PM.

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by IMC Gamefarm
    Anybody around Spain, try nyo po ang Optovite B12 1000 Gammas napaka effective po at napaka mura pa 2.28 Euros lang ang isang pack with 5 ampules inside. Pwede nyo pang padala sa Post office 2 weeks nga lang bago dumating satin. Yan po ang ginagamit namin ngayon sa farm.
    Sir IMC,thank you so much for the information that you have shared to me about cyanocobalamin optovite 1000gamma B12,i tried it w/ convincing results. i fought 5cocks and i won straigt,its amazing performance.i bought here in spain w/o prescription.Here is the video of my fight during my vacation last jan. 2009,against a prominent cocker in our place.im the who release the cock(DEHADO AKO DITO)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23cmRkyGfVs

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Hydroxocobalamin (OHCbl) is a natural analog of vitamin B-12, a basic member of the cobalamin family of compounds. Iit has an intense red color. Vitamin B12 is a term that refers to a group of compounds called cobalamins that are available in the human body in a variety of mostly interconvertible forms. Together with folic acid, cobalamins are essential cofactors required for DNA synthesis in cells where chromosomal replication and division are occurring—most notably the bone marrow and myeloid cells. As a cofactor, cobalamins are essential for two cellular reactions: (1) the mitochondrial methylmalonylcoenzyme A mutase conversion of methylmalonic acid (MMA) to succinate, which links lipid and carbohydrate metabolism, and (2) activation of methionine synthase, which is the rate limiting step in the synthesis of methionine from homocysteine and tetrahydrofolate (Katzung, 1989).





    Cyanocobalamin is one such compound that is a vitamin in this B complex, because it can be metabolized in the body to an active co-enzyme form. However, the cyanocobalamin form of B-12 does not occur in nature normally, but is a byproduct of the fact that other forms of B-12 are avid binders of cyanide (-CN) which they pick up in the process of activated charcoal purification of the vitamin after it is made by bacteria in the commercial process. Since the cyanocobalamin form of B-12 is deeply red colored, easy to crystallize, and is not sensitive to air-oxidation, it is typically used as a form of B-12 for food additives and in many common multivitamins. However, this form is not perfectly synonymous with B-12, inasmuch as a number of substances (vitamers) have B-12 vitamin activity and can properly be labeled vitamin B-12, and cyanocobalamin is but one of them. (Thus, all cyanocobalamin is vitamin B-12, but not all vitamin B-12 is cyanocobalamin).[3]
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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by geronimo_46
    FOR OUR CHICKEN I THINK WE DONT NEED THAT MUCH DOSAGE.....EXAMPLE 1000 MG. .30ML P/INJECTION...... 5000 MG. .10ML P/INJECTION......IF YOU GIVE THE SAME DOSAGE WITH 1000 MG. PATAY YUNG MANOK MO KASAMA PERA MO.
    Sir Geronimo_46 I've used this Catosal B-12 for 4 months now fro Breeding .5cc once a week and still Alive and it helps produce Healthy Chicks and we used this for Maintenance and for Conditioning as well and the result is Great!
    Good luck and God Bless..
    Last edited by dsgamefowl; August 28th, 2008 at 11:36 PM.

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    next time subukan ko ito

    http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...scan0001-1.jpghttp://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...0081231721.jpg
    Heto po ang formula contents nitong Super Vitamina B12 5500:

    Each ml contains: Cyanocobalamin (B12) 2500mcg
    Hydroxocobalamin 3000mcg
    Vitamin B15 1250mcg
    Biotin (Vitamin H) 50mcg
    Raw Liver extract 4% (V/V)

    Indications:
    Appetite stimulant, in case of pernicious anemia. Use when vitamin deficiency is suspected. For maintaning the correct nervous system functioning under stress conditions. Recommended in case of dramatic environmental, food or temperature changes.

    Administration:
    Intramuscular, subcutaneous or intravenous

    Dose:
    Fighting Cocks 0,5ml
    Horses 5.0ml
    Cattle and Pigs 2-5ml
    Dogs and Cats 0.5 - 1.0ml

    Dose can be repeated after two or three days.

    MANUFACTURED IN MEXICO BY:

    LABORATORIES TORNEL

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    CYANOCOBALAMIN
    INJECTION, USP
    1000 mcg/ml

    NDC 0517-0130-05
    5x 30ml
    MULTPLE DOSE VIALS

    For Intramuscular or Subcutaneous use only

    Contact: Jun-jun 09176277273 or 4168329
    Direct seller Jun-jun Gothong
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    i also have used that rubramin back in p.i.! it did good for me theres a store here in US that sells that kind of b12 cyonocoblamin 100 ml costs like $30! firststatevetsupply.com is the site hope it helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrishapitan
    CYANOCOBALAMIN
    INJECTION, USP
    1000 mcg/ml

    NDC 0517-0130-05
    5x 30ml
    MULTPLE DOSE VIALS

    For Intramuscular or Subcutaneous use only

    Contact: Jun-jun 09176277273 or 4168329
    Direct seller Jun-jun Gothong


    this is good for you and your chicken...say goodbye to viagra .2 x1 weekly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OREVON
    next time subukan ko ito

    http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...scan0001-1.jpghttp://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...0081231721.jpg
    Heto po ang formula contents nitong Super Vitamina B12 5500:

    Each ml contains: Cyanocobalamin (B12) 2500mcg
    Hydroxocobalamin 3000mcg
    Vitamin B15 1250mcg
    Biotin (Vitamin H) 50mcg
    Raw Liver extract 4% (V/V)

    Indications:
    Appetite stimulant, in case of pernicious anemia. Use when vitamin deficiency is suspected. For maintaning the correct nervous system functioning under stress conditions. Recommended in case of dramatic environmental, food or temperature changes.

    Administration:
    Intramuscular, subcutaneous or intravenous

    Dose:
    Fighting Cocks 0,5ml
    Horses 5.0ml
    Cattle and Pigs 2-5ml
    Dogs and Cats 0.5 - 1.0ml

    Dose can be repeated after two or three days.

    MANUFACTURED IN MEXICO BY:

    LABORATORIES TORNEL
    i have used this product with good results. i give 1/10 cc the first and second sat. of a 3 week keep and then i give it back to back days on fri. and sat. before the show.

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by carlpoten
    hi there,

    share ko lang ito. i'm here sa u.k. most doctors prefer to use the hydroxocobalamin than cyanocobalamin as a form of b12 because it stays longer in the body and for maintenance therapy you can use them with interval of 3mos. cobalin-h is the brand name or neo-cytamen. this is according to the british drug book. di ba ang laking tipid and comforting for the chickens coz you don't need to inject weekly.
    i prefer to use cyanocobalamin rather than hydroxocobalamin. chickens get water logged with hydroxocobalamin

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsgamefowl
    Sir Geronimo_46 I've used this Catosal B-12 for 4 months now fro Breeding .5cc once a week and still Alive and it helps produce Healthy Chicks and we used this for Maintenance and for Conditioning as well and the result is Great!
    Good luck and God Bless..
    Catosal B-12 contains 5000mcg/100ml at 1ml the B-12 content is only 50mcg too small, by injecting 0.5cc/bird it contains 25mcg cyanocobalamin only which is equivalent to Bexan XP in content. SAFE

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    mga kasabong, may alam ba kayong pwede pagkuhaan ng rubramin? We used to administer this to our fowls and it gives us good results but nowadays, di na namin makita sa market...

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    Quote Originally Posted by khomael78 View Post
    mga kasabong, may alam ba kayong pwede pagkuhaan ng rubramin? We used to administer this to our fowls and it gives us good results but nowadays, di na namin makita sa market...
    Hyper B-12 is a good substitute!

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    sir d-joker ang sir big z,ive used sandoz b12 last jan.14 2011.its 4 cock derby i score 3w1l,for me the chicken move and they are on peak.when i lost my 2nd fight with just a peak,it make my chicken last for a long even the intestines and gizzard was already out from the first break.it means that the sandoz b12 is effective,but make sure to consider other aspects.goodluck

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by msb_marvin View Post
    tnx for your info


    but as up now i
    can not find B12
    with 5000mcg.
    i read the prescription
    that this vitamins is
    good for human body.
    ok i will try this vit. in
    my vacation in PI and
    i will post later on it is
    good for conditioning
    of fighting cock. by the
    way tnx again sir.


    sir, if u r looking for te sv b12, i can help u with that...

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by OREVON View Post
    next time subukan ko ito

    http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...scan0001-1.jpghttp://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...0081231721.jpg
    Heto po ang formula contents nitong Super Vitamina B12 5500:

    Each ml contains: Cyanocobalamin (B12) 2500mcg
    Hydroxocobalamin 3000mcg
    Vitamin B15 1250mcg
    Biotin (Vitamin H) 50mcg
    Raw Liver extract 4% (V/V)

    Indications:
    Appetite stimulant, in case of pernicious anemia. Use when vitamin deficiency is suspected. For maintaning the correct nervous system functioning under stress conditions. Recommended in case of dramatic environmental, food or temperature changes.

    Administration:
    Intramuscular, subcutaneous or intravenous

    Dose:
    Fighting Cocks 0,5ml
    Horses 5.0ml
    Cattle and Pigs 2-5ml
    Dogs and Cats 0.5 - 1.0ml

    Dose can be repeated after two or three days.

    MANUFACTURED IN MEXICO BY:

    LABORATORIES TORNEL
    Super Vitamina B12 5500 sa mga interesado ho d2, pwede ko ho kayo matulungan... just send me a pm lng po... salamat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by khomael78 View Post
    mga kasabong, may alam ba kayong pwede pagkuhaan ng rubramin? We used to administer this to our fowls and it gives us good results but nowadays, di na namin makita sa market...
    rubramin has been phased out...the closest to it is cyanocobalamin by regents...

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by sambulat View Post
    chris,

    since the b12 picture that you have posted above belongs to me (look at the title, it has my user name) let me just inform you and others who are looking for b12 that the brand of the said product is not Rubramin like what you have written. It's made by Regent and we have supplied this to doc tjt and he had confirmed that it's composition is same as Rubramin (discontinued brand).

    if you carry that same b12 on the picture, then you get the good one.
    I use this type, it is made for humans, its the highest quality possible to obtain and fast acting, also doesnt dry a roosters blood like the veterinary brands.

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by sambulat View Post
    chris,

    since the b12 picture that you have posted above belongs to me (look at the title, it has my user name) let me just inform you and others who are looking for b12 that the brand of the said product is not Rubramin like what you have written. It's made by Regent and we have supplied this to doc tjt and he had confirmed that it's composition is same as Rubramin (discontinued brand).

    if you carry that same b12 on the picture, then you get the good one.
    I use this type, it is made for humans, its the highest quality possible to obtain and fast acting, also doesnt dry a roosters blood like the veterinary brands.

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    is there any soluble vitamin b12 that can be used in chicks n baby stag?

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    just needed good answers pls

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    Quote Originally Posted by giosfowl View Post
    is there any soluble vitamin b12 that can be used in chicks n baby stag?
    catosal by bayer...........that's what am using on my cockerels. also good for conditioning stags. best for breeding and maintenance.

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    Re: Rubramin Subtitute to Cyanocobalamin

    If you are looking for American Regents B12 Cyanocobalamin 1000mcg 30ml, expiration date: Nov 2012, contact Maryjune @ cp# 09278122392, 09498623052.
    She just received 50vials today. 30vials still available for sale. 20 vials is reserved for a wholeseller.

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