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    B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    this querry is for anyone who has experienced using one or both of the above B12 injectables during conditioning...any difference in terms of it's effect to the roosters performance? any difference in drug administration? which one do you find more effective?

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    i always use 1000 mcg.i think 3000 mcg too much for a chicken.

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    I personaly think that B12(3000mcg)is the best thing as long as you give them the right amount.

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    Cool Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    as of today we are using 1000 mcg in my small backyard. b12 3000 mcg is to much for my warriors.

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    tnx for your replies guys...for those who have used the 3000 mcg B12 what is the dosage and how often do you administer this drug.

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Iam using 1000mcg

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    cobalamin? b12....

    The Food and Nutrition Board has recommended that elderly people obtain 2.4 micrograms of vitamin B12 daily—from verifiable sources, e.g., either from eating fortified foods, such as cereals, that clearly identify the amount of vitamin B12 per serving and/or from vitamin B12 supplements.

    Claims that vitamin B12 can enhance exercise performance and that it is an "energizer" have not been tested and are based upon anecdotal accounts.

    Again, vitamin B12 supplementation is highly advised for vegetarians, especially children who are vegetarians. Vegetarians whose diets allow for the regular use of eggs and dairy products can generally obtain enough vitamin B12 from their diets

    A typical dose of B12 (cyanocobalamin) in nutritional supplements used by pregnant women and nursing mothers is 12 micrograms daily. Pregnant women and nursing mothers should only use doses higher than this if recommended by their physicians.
    Administration of doses of vitamin B12 greater than 10 micrograms daily may produce a hematological response in those with anemia secondary to folate deficiency.

    DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION

    The principal form of B12 used in nutritional supplements is cyanocobalamin. Methylcobalamin is also available for nutritional supplementation. Hydroxocobalamin is presently only available for parenteral use.
    Cyanocobalamin is available as a single ingredient product and in multivitamin, multivitamin/multimineral and B complex products. Lozenges of cyanocobalamin and methylcobalamin are also available. Prenatal and postnatal vitamin/mineral formulas typically deliver a dose of 12 micrograms of B12 daily. A general range of B12 dosage is 3 to 30 micrograms daily. Some use much higher doses. Absorption of naturally occurring B12 decreases with age. Because of this, the Food and Nutrition Board advises that those older than 50 years should consume foods fortified with B12 or take a vitamin B12-containing nutritional supplement in order to meet the RDA (2.4 micrograms daily).
    Those with B12 deficiency may be managed with high doses of oral B12. However, this requires prescription and management by a physician.
    The Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences has recommended the following Dietary Reference Intakes (RDI) for vitamin B12:
    InfantsAdequate Intakes (AI)0 through 6 months0.4 micrograms/day ~ 0.05 micrograms/Kg7 through 12 months0.5 micrograms/day ~ 0.05 micrograms/Kg ChildrenRecommended Dietary Allowance (RDA)1 through 3 years0.9 micrograms/day4 through 8 years1.2 micrograms/day Boys9 through 13 years1.8 micrograms/day14 through 18 years2.4 micrograms/day Girls9 through 13 years1.8 micrograms/day14 through 18 years2.4 micrograms/day Men19 years and older2.4 micrograms/day Women19 years and older2.4 micrograms/day Pregnancy14 through 50 years2.6 micrograms/day Lactation14 through 50 years2.8 micrograms/day The U.S. RDA, for vitamin B12, the value used for nutritional supplement and food labeling purposes, is 6 micrograms daily.
    HOW SUPPLIED

    Vitamin B12 is available by prescription in the following forms and strengths:
    Injection — 100 mcg/mL, 1000 mcg/mL
    Nasal Gel — 500 mcg/0.1 mL
    Vitamin B12 is available in the following forms and routes for OTC use:
    Lozenges — 100 mcg, 250 mcg, 500 mcg
    Sublingual Tablets — 500 mcg, 1000 mcg, 2000 mcg, 2500
    mcg, 5000 mcg
    Tablets — 50 mcg, 100 mcg, 250 mcg, 500 mcg, 1000 mcg
    LITERATURE

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Cyanocobalamin 30ml/1000mcg

    Available in Cebu City, Superior-agrivet - Look for Jun-jun 09176277273 & see the picture
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/sambulat/b12.jpg

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    give the low dose per weight..

    i think it's 0.1mg/ml per kilo per dose

    0.2ml for a 2 kg chicken



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    remember this givne IM ..to human it's painful and traumatic ot the muscle

    give the chicken's muscle sufficient time to rest before the fight



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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by ebaY
    ang gamit namin B12 5500 mcg BRECO products....pang maintenance 1/5cc once every two weeks ok na...

    http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/a...a_b12_5500.jpg

    $100.00 plus shipping and handling, 100cc vial
    THATS TO EXPENSIVE

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by ebaY
    ito na lang kung di mo kaya!!!! $12 lang B12 3000 mcg 30cc plus s & h, 100cc kasi yung B12 5500mcg malaki yun, 1cc 5 manok na yun, 1/5 cc kada manok, approx. 500 times ang gamit mo...isip-isip?


    http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/a...12_3000mcg.jpg
    ebay, how do you use this? i mean how much do you administer and how frequent do you give this?

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by ebaY
    ang gamit namin B12 5500 mcg BRECO products....pang maintenance 1/5cc once every two weeks ok na...

    http://s202.photobucket.com/albums/a...a_b12_5500.jpg

    $100.00 plus shipping and handling, 100cc vial
    and what is your dossage of this during the conditioning, what is the frequency of administration, when is the last administration before the fight?

    thanks...

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by j.dulay
    i always use 1000 mcg.i think 3000 mcg too much for a chicken.

    sir, you're right, i also think that 3000 is too much for a chicken...

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    I have been using B12(3,000 mcg)ever since I can remember and it has worked great with me.Never had a problem with my birds during conditioning and after combat.I have also used the MexicanB12(5,500)and it has worked ok as long as I give them very minimum dosage.It all has to do with the time and propper amount you give your fowl.

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by junebug32
    I have been using B12(3,000 mcg)ever since I can remember and it has worked great with me.Never had a problem with my birds during conditioning and after combat.I have also used the MexicanB12(5,500)and it has worked ok as long as I give them very minimum dosage.It all has to do with the time and propper amount you give your fowl.
    junebug32, do you mind sharing how you administer the 3000 mcg? how many days before the fight? frequency and dosage?

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    junebug32, just a follow-up question have you used the 3000 mcg for the stags also? If yes, any difference in the administration, frequency and dosage compared to a cock? your input will be highly appreciated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by partydude
    junebug32, do you mind sharing how you administer the 3000 mcg? how many days before the fight? frequency and dosage?
    Soon as I get to my yard I will get my little book out and let you know.As right now they are moulting so for me its been a while (2 months)since I've used it.

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by partydude
    junebug32, just a follow-up question have you used the 3000 mcg for the stags also? If yes, any difference in the administration, frequency and dosage compared to a cock? your input will be highly appreciated...
    Yes I do use the 3000 mcg.on stags also.Only if they are real healthy and feel real strong.When they need alittle more weight I give them less because I would prefer them to gain weight and get strong naturaly.Once again I will let you know when and how much when I get to yard.Im about to go right now.

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Partydude, I tried all kinds of B12 there is in the market, and I would advice u NOT to used 3000 mcg. Also, any kind of medications or vitamins that u administer and work for you , should be on top of your HEAD. Just my opinion. Good Day!!!!

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    NO difference, just adjust the dosage:
    for example, if you're administering B12 1000 mcg, let's say, your dosage is
    .30 cc(ml) equals 300 mcg of B12 1000 mcg.
    If you'll administer B12 3000 mcg, your dosage is .10 cc(ml) equals 300 mcg of B12 3000mcg.
    I used both (whichever is available in the store).
    100 cc(ml) bottle of B12:
    1000mcg....$7.50
    3000 mcg...$17.50
    5000mcg....$34.00

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by monvic61
    Partydude, I tried all kinds of B12 there is in the market, and I would advice u NOT to used 3000 mcg. Also, any kind of medications or vitamins that u administer and work for you , should be on top of your HEAD. Just my opinion. Good Day!!!!
    Your opinion is respected by me/Not all birds are conditioned the same(flys,work table,vitamins,dosage)it depends on the bird.I learned that from the man himself MIKE RATLIFF.The reason I said I will see my little black book is because I was going to give him details on how much baced on weight from 4 1/2 to shake cocks(very heavy).You don't administer the same amount if they have difrent weights.

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by ebaY
    depende sa tao, yun iba ginagamit pang point, sa amin pang maintenance lang 1/5 cc every two weeks, then isang turok 1 week b4 the fight
    thanks...

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    If I gave my rooster 1000 mcg tablet, what is the side effect?

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    B12 is a water soluble so it would be very hard to give them to much the only thing that would happen Is they will excreta what the body doesn't use

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Quote Originally Posted by roundhead man View Post
    B12 is a water soluble so it would be very hard to give them to much the only thing that would happen Is they will excreta what the body doesn't use
    Thank you for the input. Have a great day.

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Guys you can't overdose on b12. More than enough wont hurt them a bit. They will just pass the excess b12. Half cc on the 1000 and 1/8-1/4cc on the 3000

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    If im going to breed or some of my fowl are older in age 1000 B12 would be ideal But I'm used to using abrand called Tornel Super Vitamin 5500 and if you use it just right it does wonders in Shows!

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    perfect gull for shows whats the ideal measurment when using the b12 5500 thanks

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    B-12 5500 if used properly can do a lot of good. This was the product we used up until we started Useing Aminoplex. Now b-12 5500 is not like your regular old b-12 when we used the 5500 we would at the start of the ore keep inject them with 1/2 cc at the start of a two week pre keep and we would not inject them again till the first week of the regular keep at that point we would only inject them with 3/10 cc once every 7 days and that rotation worked well for us with good results now this is just our experience Iam sure there is other ways to go about but this worked out just fine for us.

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    Re: B12 3000 mcg vs 1000 mcg which do you prefer?

    Thanks roundhead man I appreciate the help also I'm intrested in a good blue hen from your friend fis

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