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    brown red why ?????

    why they called brown red and what blood composition of this dowl and who originated this fowl pls.....thanks

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    The Wingate Brown Reds

    1924 Joe Wingate laid aside his life's work and joined his ancestors. From that time on the once great family of fighting cocks that he had built decined. Though many may boast of having them today, old timers know that the claims have little or no foundation. Back in 1870, Wingate brought over from north of Ireland a single comb strain of chickens, in color they were mostly brown red, some showing ginger color and all showing dark legs and hazel eyes, the hens were sharp and stylish looking a dark brown or ginger some showing straw neck feathers. They were medium stationed and many grew spurs. One of the Irish hens was a favorite of Joe`s. He had her set up and mounted when she died. This mounted hen is in existence today but looks nothing like the hens of the so-called Wingates you see in these later days. The cocks of this family were not big cocks being in condition 5.4 or under, brown or ginger red, dark legs and hazel eyes. Broad backed and not heavy, though strong boned. They were single stroked cocks fast and strong in the mix-up not high flyers, rushing wild hitting cocks they now want to call Wingates. Did Wingate add any new blood to the above family? Of course he did he added the blood of an English hen he brought over a mahogany colored hen with hazel eyes and dark lead colored legs. He bred this hen under the Irish cock and then bred some of those cross back into the original line....

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    Continuation (Wingates)....
    .....The infusion of the English hen's blood increased the poundage until off and on a cock would weigh 6.2 or 6.4. Holly Chappell enters the picture, Chappell while down in Alabama on one of his trips to the south got hold of a standout cock and brought him home. He bred him over his hens that were understood to be north Britain and brown red crosses. Wingate and Chappell were friends, Wingate got one of the cocks out of this cross and bred him over a brown red hen. After reducing the cross some more, he put the blood of the Chappell line into the Irish family. That is the layout of the Wingate brown reds...

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    IRONCHEF who has a good brown red at this time....thanks for your good comments...viel glück................

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    The colour brown-red , just as black-red etc etc, comes from the english pit description of fowl to be fought in the pit. Breast colour always is first named as it is not trimed in any fashion. So the literal description of a brown-red is a brown breasted fowl with a red top.

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    thanks for the information sir iron chef.

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    up..........................................

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantes_pick61
    why they called brown red and what blood composition of this dowl and who originated this fowl pls.....thanks
    Brown red has speed and more speed, with cutting to boot - the advantage of this dark fowl.
    coming dark-legged , dark eyed and with characteristic black feathering, this family is a sight to behold, since BrownReds show more of the razzle dazzle shuffling action type of fighting, although their drawback is their seeming lack of gameness and stamina.
    however because of the infusions made by breeders, they already are Brownreds that are gane enough, lasting more than 10 minutes. In the dragfightthese fighters are very defensive and very calculating uncharacteristic of a typical brownred...

    just sharing..........

    peace..

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    Deersprings Pure Larry F. Blevins Wingate Brownred, 3 X winner in the long knife...California.



    Another Pure Larry F. Blevins Wingate...also a 3 x Winner in the long knife....California.



    Another pure Larry F. Blevins Wingate specimen...



    This is the latest version of the Larry F. Blevins classic brown-breasted Wingate BrownReds now in full production at deersprings gamefarm of California...


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    LLge Wingate BrownReds..Dumangas Iloilo






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    Quote Originally Posted by dantes_pick61
    why they called brown red and what blood composition of this dowl and who originated this fowl pls.....thanks
    I think this fowl originally came from Ireland then brought to England.

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    nice brownreds

    Quote Originally Posted by ironchef
    Deersprings Pure Larry F. Blevins Wingate Brownred, 3 X winner in the long knife...California.



    Another Pure Larry F. Blevins Wingate...also a 3 x Winner in the long knife....California.



    Another pure Larry F. Blevins Wingate specimen...



    This is the latest version of the Larry F. Blevins classic brown-breasted Wingate BrownReds now in full production at deersprings gamefarm of California...


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    Quote Originally Posted by dantes_pick61
    why they called brown red and what blood composition of this dowl and who originated this fowl pls.....thanks
    because they originals are red fowl..........with brown chest.

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    there are some brownreds that have black breast
    but these are with other blood infusion......making their chest black.

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    ironchef nice photo...........and fowl

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironchef
    LLge Wingate BrownReds..Dumangas Iloilo





    Good looking birds sir.........

    good luck.........

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    Nice brownred...

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    OUR BROWNRED BROODCOCK

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    nice............brown black red.............bravo

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantes_pick61
    nice............brown black red.............bravo
    he is a brownred with sam gowdy black blood

    hope to produce pantupadas
    from this mating of him
    with two mclean-leiper hatch/cowan roundhead cross broodpullets


    the broodcock is only medium station
    hope to have improved station among their offsprings

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironchef
    Deersprings Pure Larry F. Blevins Wingate Brownred, 3 X winner in the long knife...California.



    Another Pure Larry F. Blevins Wingate...also a 3 x Winner in the long knife....California.



    Another pure Larry F. Blevins Wingate specimen...



    This is the latest version of the Larry F. Blevins classic brown-breasted Wingate BrownReds now in full production at deersprings gamefarm of California...


    ironchef...mine looks the same as your latest version but black breasted...they are very powerful specimen...

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    longleaf brownreds broodcocks






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    Very nice brownreds ironchef. look powerful are they have hatch infusion

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    GAMAY 2 nice longleaf brown leaf..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantes_pick61
    why they called brown red and what blood composition of this dowl and who originated this fowl pls.....thanks
    dantes,
    It's the color.

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    Obviously because of its feather colorings a combination of brown and red.....Nice pictures...more pls...

    Any info on what line is good to cross with brownreds?

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    Mga sir any input about their fighting style and winning records? thank u po...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dantes_pick61
    why they called brown red and what blood composition of this dowl and who originated this fowl pls.....thanks

    brownred is a old english gamecock that sanford hatch used to blend with whitehackles that
    made up the green legged hatch...

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    Edwin,

    He is looking good my friend. Just breed him to High Stationed hens.

    Here is a pic of a Brownred I just sent to PI today in a trio.






    Quote Originally Posted by expressdelivery

    OUR BROWNRED BROODCOCK

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