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January 25th, 2007, 08:26 PM
#31
Re: givins hatch

Originally Posted by
leadfoot
If you want true authentic Col. Givens Hatches contact Mr. Jerry Low of GA. he was one of the last people to get fowl off of Cols. yard (Directly) not 2nd or 3rd hand he was a personal friend of Col. Givens and got the best and knows more about his fowl than anyone out there his fowl are 1st rate. They compete on the major circut every year with good sucsess. Contact me for his number.
hello sir how are you? im looking some givens hatches for mating to my bruce barnett sweater hen. Mr. Jerry Low that you mention can i please have his contact number...heres my email. rutherford_usa09@yahoo.com...thank you sir...more power
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January 26th, 2007, 06:21 AM
#32
Member
Re: givins hatch

Originally Posted by
expressdelivery
he is not selling a single feather

Originally Posted by
expressdelivery
he breeds only for his personal use
as he once said here
well, he does sell eggs. checkout the Dec. 2006 Gamecock issue's classified section.
Last edited by kaimukirich; January 27th, 2007 at 09:41 AM.
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January 27th, 2007, 09:12 AM
#33
Re: givins hatch

Originally Posted by
rutherford_usa
hello sir how are you? im looking some givens hatches for mating to my bruce barnett sweater hen. Mr. Jerry Low that you mention can i please have his contact number...heres my email.
rutherford_usa09@yahoo.com...thank you sir...more power
Jerry Lows farm number 770- 735- 1517 call in the evenings.
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January 27th, 2007, 10:01 AM
#34
Member
col givens
not mine these are owned by mr odaz
Last edited by APSgames; January 27th, 2007 at 10:11 AM.
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January 27th, 2007, 10:36 AM
#35
Member
Re: givins hatch
Guys,
Here are the people that has acquired the Colonel's broodyard on a repetitive basis.
1) Ray Westall
2) Ricky Smith of R&A Farms
3) Tony Hicks
You can have a very good selection if you to these gentleman.
Thanks,
spangle
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February 4th, 2007, 03:09 PM
#36
Senior Member
Re: givins hatch
While Givins are among the best for fighting pure, I heard that they are not that good for crossing like McLeans, Leipers or Harold Browns.
Is there any truth to this?
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February 4th, 2007, 03:44 PM
#37
Re: givins hatch

givens spangle hatch broodcock with bulöik apatot hens.
what i like about this type of hatch is breaking ability and good body conformation----broad back.
they can break high and all feet-----either air or ground fight.
they shoot straight to the opponent and hammer all the way down.
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February 4th, 2007, 03:56 PM
#38
Senior Member
Re: givins hatch
express,
You confirmed the first part, but you didn't answer the second part.
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February 4th, 2007, 04:43 PM
#39
Member
Re: givins hatch
new2game,
i say like all crosses we really dont know how they will turn out until we try it. With families you have good ones and bad ones. though there are many crosses that are proven, who is to say my givens kelso is exactly your givens kelso so therefor yours should be as good or bad as how mines came out. Starting out with the good stock and trying your crosses is the best way to gauge which ones are good or bad. never had any givens hatch though so what do i know. =)
jan
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February 4th, 2007, 04:45 PM
#40
Re: givins hatch
i can not confirm yet personally
if they cross well like mclean,leiper,blueface
with other bloodlines
but they givens should------
because they are basically mclean----from late harold brown
or heavy in mclean side
just bred by col. on spangle side
from what i understand
the confirmation will be
on stag derby on october 2007
as most of our fighters
are givens hatch X bulik apatot cross
i`ll keep you updated starting june 2007
when stags begin to show
what they are made of
if they inherit the aggressiveness
and hitting power
coming from givens hatch.
what we are expecting more
are the bulik pullets (daughters) that
have the body conformation
of our givens hatch broodcock-----broad back with powerful keelbone
this is the main aim/objective of this crossbreeding-----for us.
to produce and perpetuate a bulik line
that fight and hit like a true givens hatch
Last edited by expressdelivery; February 4th, 2007 at 04:49 PM.
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February 4th, 2007, 09:55 PM
#41
Member
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February 4th, 2007, 10:01 PM
#42
Re: givins hatch

my givens hatch broodcock
i got him from a breeder/friend from georgia
he looks medium station in the picture
because of his broadback
but he is a big rooster-----around 2.3 kg
Last edited by expressdelivery; February 4th, 2007 at 10:04 PM.
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February 4th, 2007, 11:18 PM
#43
Re: givins hatch
johnny jumper used to cross this with his mcleans and did very well...james campbell
are crossing this to his frank steel brownreds and did good aswell...there are so many people i know that are using givins that are succesful and some that are not...try them
you may like it...but the best of all are the given hatches...
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February 5th, 2007, 12:51 AM
#44
Senior Member
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February 5th, 2007, 01:07 AM
#45
Senior Member
Re: givins hatch
I like the col.given hatch it gives me the W...
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in the race for quality there is no finish line...
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February 15th, 2007, 04:58 AM
#46
Re: givins hatch
Ricky Smith of R & A Farm breeds his Colonels with Brownreds, roundheads and Kelsos.
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November 28th, 2007, 06:43 AM
#47
Col. Givens Hatch
I'm always wondering if there is a black genes in the dark red Col. Givens hatch infused by the late col. himself. The more I watch them closely, the more I am convinced that there is indeed some black in them. With their characteristic black eyelids or dark ring around their eyes, which is an apparent dark fowl trait and some even with darker eyes. Their agility and fighting style is more comparable to black fowls than to the typical hatch. They break higher and more faster and are not close fighter like most hatches.
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November 28th, 2007, 08:13 AM
#48
Re: Col. Givens Hatch
yes, that is suppose to be their original make up long ago. What I mean here is if he added some more dark genes when he started breeding them.
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November 28th, 2007, 08:19 AM
#49
Senior Member
Re: Col. Givens Hatch

Originally Posted by
nem76
gl hatch fowl are combo of whitehackle and brown red.
APRUB COCKMATE NEM76.
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November 28th, 2007, 01:29 PM
#50
Re: Col. Givens Hatch
we have not had too much luck
with our gerard deecox spangle hatch cross
they shuffle hard and too fast
but the cutting is not right
make too many shuffles but the half are just wasted motions
unlike our mclean-leiper hatch
they only need few buckles
to shipwreck an opponent
we put on the standby
the said gerard hatch broodcock
and still thinking where to breed him
i think the too fast stroking motions of the feeet
make them not drive the knife deep enough
maybe breeding him to a single stroking accurate cutter
family of hen...........will do the cure
maybe...............
any suggestion out there?
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November 28th, 2007, 04:13 PM
#51
Re: Col. Givens Hatch
Hi express,
Have you tried crossing your hatch to good roundhead blood? Just a thought.
[3rd]
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November 28th, 2007, 04:34 PM
#52
Re: Col. Givens Hatch

Originally Posted by
[3rd]
Hi express,
Have you tried crossing your hatch to good roundhead blood? Just a thought.
[3rd]
thanks for the tip
i am thinking of getting dan gray roundhead hen from g. escalona ...mapalad gamefarm
but i am afraid it will end up again producing a very fast multiple shuffling fowl
that pull away too early their feet in shuffling..........instead of driving the blade deep enough
too fast in shuffling.........takes away cutting
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November 28th, 2007, 07:32 PM
#53
Senior Member
Re: Col. Givens Hatch

Originally Posted by
expressdelivery
we have not had too much luck
with our gerard deecox spangle hatch cross
they shuffle hard and too fast
but the cutting is not right
make too many shuffles but the half are just wasted motions
unlike our mclean-leiper hatch
they only need few buckles
to shipwreck an opponent
we put on the standby
the said gerard hatch broodcock
and still thinking where to breed him
i think the too fast stroking motions of the feeet
make them not drive the knife deep enough
maybe breeding him to a single stroking accurate cutter
family of hen...........will do the cure
maybe...............
any suggestion out there?
Try lemon or claret or cross it to tonio's spangles.
Last edited by ubb6793; November 28th, 2007 at 07:35 PM.
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November 28th, 2007, 07:43 PM
#54
Senior Member
Re: Col. Givens Hatch
I heard a known breeder in Bacolod is using Col Givens Hatch as his base blood for his formidable sweaters... he had his share of winnings in major stag derbies using this crosses.
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November 28th, 2007, 07:46 PM
#55
Re: Col. Givens Hatch
Sir Boy Diaz is always talking about his Marion Rose hatches...some inside info said that he has good Col. Givens Hatch fowls...any info on this guys?.....inputs on this will be highly appreciated....Thanks
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November 28th, 2007, 08:11 PM
#56
Re: Col. Givens Hatch
pre express...
try to cross him to a straight cutter families that fully extend their legs to hit. Some fast footed fowls don't fully extend their legs (kongkong) and tends to cut short and just hit the air like a shadow boxer with a whish-whosh sound instead of a solid thud sound. And during close fighting, they can not lift their knife all the way up because of not enough clearance and most of the time will hit with the back of their blades. Some of them will also hit with their hock joints in close fighting.
If you can linebreed to him, keep her pullets and find a broodcock that delivers single blows with fully extended legs for them. Most of the time you can find this in bostons roundheads. Or any strain that can kill with a deep cutting single blow in the first few buckles.
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November 28th, 2007, 11:03 PM
#57
Re: Col. Givens Hatch

Originally Posted by
alex-g
I'm always wondering if there is a black genes in the dark red Col. Givens hatch infused by the late col. himself. The more I watch them closely, the more I am convinced that there is indeed some black in them. With their characteristic black eyelids or dark ring around their eyes, which is an apparent dark fowl trait and some even with darker eyes. Their agility and fighting style is more comparable to black fowls than to the typical hatch. They break higher and more faster and are not close fighter like most hatches.
i agree with you alex...the black ring around their eyes are prominently givens and the deeper the blood the larger they become...they are the blueprints of ol' irish grimes, irish
brounreds, and irish blacks...
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November 29th, 2007, 12:15 AM
#58
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November 29th, 2007, 02:11 AM
#59
Re: Col. Givens Hatch
manny berbano the recently crowned bakbakan king said to me once..."everything i have are givens"
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November 29th, 2007, 02:42 AM
#60