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    Brassback Butcher

    What is known about Brassback Butchers. How ere they made and how are they different from the Red and Lemon Hackled Butcher ? Some say they don't exist.

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    Re: Brassback Butcher

    On Gamerooster there is a guy called Magnolia Club. He has the real deal Brassback Butchers. He calls his Rambo Butchers since he has been breeding them for 30+ years.

    They look like they have some Gilman Whitehackle in them to me somewhere down the bloodline. I am sure Magnolia can help you.

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    Baja: Most of the BlackBrass Butchers you see now came from Big Red Richardson. Harold Brown and Big Red were friends Harold got em and then Oscar Akins got em from Harold. The Black Brass color came from the Whitehackle blood. Some folks say Butchers shouldn't come Brass backed and that maybe Big Red put Brass Back Albany in his Butchers. There has been a dispute about whether or not Butchers should come Brass Back. But it is a fact that the Whitehackles that went into the Butchers came Brass Back at
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    Thanks Frank O.

    This is the information that I wanted. Just about got chastised for Mentioning Brassback Butcher on Gamerooster, but, I like to know as much about a line as I can.

    I was gifted some good ones..Gaff Birds ..and will transition them for the sk.

    The stag has a lot of hate for another Rooster, speed , and cut. I wanted them for fastest kill tournaments. I needed a line of head hunters. This type of tournament is a lot of fun.

    Hen from this aquisition :





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    Re: Brassback Butcher

    Have you still got these brass backs?

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    Re: Brassback Butcher

    I love their color! What is their fighting style? I see them once in a while in the World Slasher Cup; sometimes they win and sometimes they lose.

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    I have been breeding "Brassback Butchers" for 5 or so years. I guess you could say their style is similiar to a Butcher/Whitehackle type bird. They are great cutters. I've shown them pure and crossed in American and PI shows with excellent results. Although, I haven't shown or raised a bunch. This year, I'm trying to raise as many as possible. I love them. I would like to know the true history behind them. I know they are not pure Butchers as bred by the Marsh family.

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    Re: Brassback Butcher

    They had Black Devils & Sid Taylor too so maybe that's where the brassbacks came from .


    THE FOWL: While the Marsh's are known primarily for originating the Speeder and Butcher fowl, they have used other fowl, namely Boston Roundheads, Bergh Blue Muffs, Eagleheads, Smokeballs, Black Devils, Sid Taylor, and Brown-Reds Muffs.
    Butchers: The Butchers are the result of a cross between Marsh Speeders and Groves Whitehackles in 1915 and by 1920 were set as a strain. Through selective breeding the Butchers come black-red with a straight comb, white and yellow legs, and have red, orange and lemon colored hackles. Additionally their breasts may have red flecks. About 5% of our Butchers will come spangled. The hens will come wheaton and partridge in color and about 1/3 will have spurs. The Butchers are known primarily as head and neck cutters as that is what is needed in short heel fighting, but they can and do cut very well to the body. In addition they are known as good side steppers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank o View Post
    Baja: Most of the BlackBrass Butchers you see now came from Big Red Richardson. Harold Brown and Big Red were friends Harold got em and then Oscar Akins got em from Harold. The Black Brass color came from the Whitehackle blood. Some folks say Butchers shouldn't come Brass backed and that maybe Big Red put Brass Back Albany in his Butchers. There has been a dispute about whether or not Butchers should come Brass Back. But it is a fact that the Whitehackles that went into the Butchers came Brass Back at
    times.
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    Let me say for about the 100th time......BUTCHERS DO NOT COME BLACK. If you have a black (or white) one then you can bet the farm that other blood has been added to them. Red was a very good friend of my Grandfather Bill Marsh and got whatever he wanted to breed. Nearest I can figure is that Red added some Albany blood to the Butchers and some came black after that. To me that is a Butcher/Albany cross,not a straight bred Butcher.
    Now for those who say a true Butcher comes black(or white) answer me this: If the Butchers do in fact come black then why out of the thousands raised here haven't we had one come black.....or white???? Answer: Because they don't unless crossed with something else.
    The Sid Taylor and black Devil blood was not used in making the Butchers either.

    Mark Marsh

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    Re: Brassback Butcher

    Mark, Have you ever had any crop out with any odd color at all? Do you sell any of the pure ones? If so, please email me @ standingpine@bellsouth.net with details. Thanks, B

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    I have some brass back fowl that were sold to me as Brass Back Whitehackles. The gentleman that I got them from said they were Gilman Whitehackles. The breed is only as true as what you are told unless you get them from the originator. Nearly everyone adds a little something else to them every now and then.

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    Re: Brassback Butcher

    Post pics please. Id like to see some of this blood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackgold View Post
    Mark, Have you ever had any crop out with any odd color at all? Do you sell any of the pure ones? If so, please email me @ standingpine@bellsouth.net with details. Thanks, B
    We get an occasional spangle but no odd colored ones.

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    Re: Brassback Butcher

    Do you have any spangled stags for sale? Do you have a website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingbullets View Post
    Post pics please. Id like to see some of this blood.
    I'll get some in a couple days.

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    Re: Brassback Butcher

    I had some bb butchers,I gave the to my buddy he breeds them now.I was wondering what family's come that way?????

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