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    Seen those birds at sunset. Very impressive power & endurance They hit hard but not accurate usually, which SERIOUSLY tested a birds ability to withstand blunt shock (something gaff birds aren’t designed for). My personal opinion was they rammed that hub so hard that under the feathers they looked like one of those old SPIROGRAPH GAMES SETS FOR KIDS in the 70’s LOL.
    Now a days everyone wants the super lite and keen gaffs. You younger guys don’t know but there was a time when people took the point off REGULAR OLD FASHION GAFFS. Now why u think they did that? Oh and by the way, you could make birds run doing that. There’s a reason it’s illegal. Come to think of it. I never got close enough to see the tips of the Ramseys gaffs. Old timers would of saw that in a second.
    I know if I was using big old power roosters that liked to roll around and really slam one every time it hits, I would use the biggest diameter gaff I could find with just the very tip sharp. My athletic, in the air, speed type birds, I stick to a lighter keener gaff. I know a guy that has power type cocks, his theory is would you rather be shot by a 357 or a 22. I believe in fitting the gaff to type of bird you have. I bet those big diameter gaffs would work well on the Sammy greys.

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    I know if I was using big old power roosters that liked to roll around and really slam one every time it hits, I would use the biggest diameter gaff I could find with just the very tip sharp. My athletic, in the air, speed type birds, I stick to a lighter keener gaff. I know a guy that has power type cocks, his theory is would you rather be shot by a 357 or a 22. I believe in fitting the gaff to type of bird you have. I bet those big diameter gaffs would work well on the Sammy greys.
    I seen a guy use some way back they look like 20 penny nails the were so big and thick I don't see how the bird even drove them lol.

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    Bills roosters to start then Sammy bought a grey that Scott b showed at Brownsville he bought that grey blood and addd to bills hatcheds they just nicked.i agree the greys ain’t accurate but was strong and rugged heck that epoxy must have worked on the ones Michael had quit on him.but I say this seen a rooster run at sunset 3 weeks later win at delrio.because you are friends with a cheat don’t make you one if you ain’t doing it.the grey pretty sure was a Bennett.so take Bennett rooster breed over bills hens chad the blue face an McLean’s an that’s a Sammy’s hatch grey later he had sweaters over those hens where the ylg greys came from at the last
    There are some people who are not involved in their Cheating Way’s. But do know they were Cheating and made a lot by money betting on their Roosters! Are you one of them!
    Most times when the betting is 100 to 60 ! Most times something’s wrong with the fight!
    The “Ramsey’s” roosters were nothing special! And the betting is 100 to 60 in thier favor!
    I am not Friends with Cheaters! Never had! But I can’t say the same with you.
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    Bills roosters to start then Sammy bought a grey that Scott b showed at Brownsville he bought that grey blood and addd to bills hatcheds they just nicked.i agree the greys ainít accurate but was strong and rugged heck that epoxy must have worked on the ones Michael had quit on him.but I say this seen a rooster run at sunset 3 weeks later win at delrio.because you are friends with a cheat donít make you one if you ainít doing it.the grey pretty sure was a Bennett.so take Bennett rooster breed over bills hens chad the blue face an McLeanís an thatís a Sammyís hatch grey later he had sweaters over those hens where the ylg greys came from at the last
    Yep I was always told they originated from a Bennett bought from Bob sr back in the day at del rio

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    Ya I’m friends with them an I never seen them cheat if that epoxy **** was true hell I would have knew it it just ain’t true why I defend them.sammy gave me several roosters after shows and I would have found it.plain an simple was some of the best gaff roosters they were.now for lk nothing at all sk average Lucas you see Jerry still show them lil greys up your way then you know

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    Back when legal darn right at sunset I did make money of Sammy’s roosters just like a lot of rooster men did.wish it was 2002/2003 again I’d said bring your best an see how they felt against those lil greys.an see for yourself sammy didn’t have to cheat.not hear say I was there were you?

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    Ya I’m friends with them an I never seen them cheat if that epoxy **** was true hell I would have knew it it just ain’t true why I defend them.sammy gave me several roosters after shows and I would have found it.plain an simple was some of the best gaff roosters they were.now for lk nothing at all sk average Lucas you see Jerry still show them lil greys up your way then you know
    Yep still see them go and r still the favorite by J.L.

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    Back when legal darn right at sunset I did make money of Sammy’s roosters just like a lot of rooster men did.wish it was 2002/2003 again I’d said bring your best an see how they felt against those lil greys.an see for yourself sammy didn’t have to cheat.not hear say I was there were you?
    Why are you suspicious that I know that they the Ramsey’s and JGT
    are Cheaters and you were in Sunset to make as much money you can by betting on their Cheating Ways! Makes you as Guilty as the Ramsey’s and JGT!!!!!
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    We competed against the ramesys up on the hill back in the day they always showed well but I don't remember them winning very many shows. If any one thinks u can put epoxy on a rooster and show in the gaff has never shown any. The other handler would know on the first handle. I can't see a way u could do it and it not show up at 20 feet from them feathers would be way out of wack.

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    When I went to Sunset I just so happened to bump into Longheel and a well known cocker who does very well. Longheels family been taking derbies for decades and we didn’t do to bad neither. We saw the Ramseys and a few other big names competing. Not to sound arrogant but none of us was really impressed with what we saw there ( including the Ramseys. MOST Southern boys admire power, endurance & gameness.
    Out in our area what’s admired is less than 60 second wins AND EVERYONE BREEDS FOR IT. You’d swear they were wearing the LK not the heel. I asked that cocker competing there what’s the difference between Sunset and our area. He said “it’s much easier in Sunset.
    What I would say impressed me about Sunset cockers was how they adjusted to such high humidity. On a whole they had the most non cuttingest chickens I’ve ever seen at one place. You guys who think the Ramseys were so great ain’t seen real cutting chickens. Blue knows what I’m talking about huh Blue. LOL.

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    And to that I agree those greys are just game ol power cocks.when you talk about people with cutting roosters I know who had those that I reallly bet on as well it wasnít Sammyís style for cutting in sk or lk but I did see them win the Cajun classic at sunset.an my opinion delrio was tuffer than sunset by alot
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    And to that I agree those greys are just game ol power cocks.when you talk about people with cutting roosters I know who had those that I reallly bet on as well it wasn’t Sammy’s style for cutting in sk or lk but I did see them win the Cajun classic at sunset.an my opinion delrio was tigger than sunset by alot
    Ramseys birds only really impressed me with there endurance and keeping there power. They were definitely competitive birds. We’ve had southern and Eastern boys come by and think it’s a synch. Including JGT. He buys very good birds. He wins some and looses some. Nothing special either. Short story. Met JGT for our money fight. Flew over him 3 times like his bird had his feet in dry cement. 1st fly coupled him, 2nd, lunged him and 3rd the cou de gra. Took about 10 seconds. Id say we’re better than 60/40 when meeting him. He has his moments though. All good cocker do.

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    They are many pits that's probably as tough as Sunset.Most are [ONE DAY] fights in our backyard.The thing that made Sunset the Super Bowl of cocking was the geographical location.Not only was the weather and humidity always changing it was having to haul your fowl 500 to 1000 miles to get there.Then you had to point cocks for first day.Then you had to point cocks for second day.After that if you had any money and roosters left you had to point cocks for Sunday's clean up.That's what set Sunset apart from all the other pits.They are as good a roosters at lots of places as they were at Sunset,but would they haul 1000 miles and still be as competitive as they were at home town shows.Most are not.Just my opinion.

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    I can’t speak for everyone but the man who was very successful with our kelso in Mexico and other places often would arrange for birds to live at those places months in advance. It gives you an edge on people who travel.
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    ..See thred (George Torres aka JGT).........

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    Bills roosters to start then Sammy bought a grey that Scott b showed at Brownsville he bought that grey blood and addd to bills hatcheds they just nicked.i agree the greys ainít accurate but was strong and rugged heck that epoxy must have worked on the ones Michael had quit on him.but I say this seen a rooster run at sunset 3 weeks later win at delrio.because you are friends with a cheat donít make you one if you ainít doing it.the grey pretty sure was a Bennett.so take Bennett rooster breed over bills hens chad the blue face an McLeanís an thatís a Sammyís hatch grey later he had sweaters over those hens where the ylg greys came from at the last
    Thanks bud I've heard so many stories just wasn't sure the ones I saw were tough as pine knots and game.

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    He should have been caught (JGT) of Drug Dealing! Just imagine that these guys are idolize and yet they are destroying people’s lifes with Crystal Meth!
    And also Cheating! He was the Ramsey’s Money Backer, because he had the money to cover all the bets to maximize on their Cheat!
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    You have lost your dam mind did they know him ya was he there backer you don’t have a clue do you?i was there an ya Sammy had a backer matter of fact I knew him well it wasn’t George Torres dumbo.find you a grit an steel from 2002/2003 look at those pictures in sunset when we won the backer was in the pic.not George Torres the backer was Kenneth so stop spreading lies and hearsay about Sammy an Michael.i can’t speak for George maybe he was a cheat.but that don’t make them one because they talk to a man geesh you sure are stupid

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    There are some people who knew JGT and Ramseyís Cheated! Most of them are from California and are afraid to say something because they are friends or afraid of JGT!
    Why are you protecting the Ramseyís, is it because they let you know of their Cheat? Were you there at Sunset all the times they were there! You are the one who is a DUMBASS and a Low Life who IDOLIZES CHEATERS!!
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    Hmmm, ok, I think you’ve made your point. You were cheated. I don’t know the truth. I wasn’t there. I’ll give you some advice that I’ve realized, when BIG MONEY GAMBLING comes to you. “Stay the f!ck out of it”. Big money brings great “creativity” in how to separate you from your money. My father always said; “locks keep good people out”, which says a lot about GOOD people.
    IF your in this sport for the GAMBLING. “Get out”! “Your part of our problem”. Go to a casino or something. If gamblers hadn’t brought such ATTENTION to our sport it probably would still be legal in most states.

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    Cockfighting is a Sport? It is in the Philippines and I have never heard when legal in some States, that it was considered a SPORT.
    How much I wager on my roosters is none of your business. Just like in the United States have football,basketball,baseball it is a sport,business, gamble. But It is the CHEATERS who give the SPORT a Bad Name!!
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    IF your in this sport for the GAMBLING. “Get out”! “Your part of our problem”. Go to a casino or something. If gamblers hadn’t brought such ATTENTION to our sport it probably would still be legal in most states.[/QUOTE]

    Gamblers did not give the Attention to our sport! What gave the Attention is when Old Man Uncle Sam, reads the “gamecock,grit and steel” magazine and he see that there are many many Gamefarms big or small. That has hundreds to thousands of gamefowls that are sold World Wide and they did not give poor Old Man Uncle Sam even a small peice of the TAX PIE!!!!
    And becide making Old Man Uncle Sam cry the whole time he read the “Gamecock Magazine “ it almost gave him a Heart Attack!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Acido View Post
    IF your in this sport for the GAMBLING. “Get out”! “Your part of our problem”. Go to a casino or something. If gamblers hadn’t brought such ATTENTION to our sport it probably would still be legal in most states.
    Gamblers did not give the Attention to our sport! What gave the Attention is when Old Man Uncle Sam, reads the “gamecock,grit and steel” magazine and he see that there are many many Gamefarms big or small. That has hundreds to thousands of gamefowls that are sold World Wide and they did not give poor Old Man Uncle Sam even a small peice of the TAX PIE!!!!
    And becide making Old Man Uncle Sam cry the whole time he read the “Gamecock Magazine “ it almost gave him a H eart Attack!!!!![/QUOTE]

    Spoken like a true gambler. There’s a reason why gambling is called gambling and not winning moron. Your not a cocker. Your a looser. Stick with casinos & slot machines. Stay away from poker. Requires some brains.
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    STUPID!!
    JGT And Romy are brothers! Romy is one of the (Epoxy) Cheaters in Hawaii!
    JGT is the one who fights in early 2000’s (Sunset,La, etc! )And is a known For Cheating using Epoxy, Snake Poison and who knows what?
    The Ramsey’s And JGT are very good Friends!!!!! And CHEATERS!!!

    And instead of us arguing, why try putting some Epoxy on a Rooster to test and judge(not for cheating)for yourself.
    I am not saying this for my own good and I have fallen into their Cheat a few times and that’s before I knew. Because it is almost impossible for to detect with the naked eyes! And it does not matter where it was done (Hawaii,Sunset,Etc’s) it is very,very hard to detect. But what can I or should I say can we do. Do something bad and end up in jail !
    Read thead “armor/shield”. Sorry to Offend, But I just want it to be Known! That Exopy was used at SUNSET.
    Ok BRETT nobody is fooled nutbag! Do you even realize how stupid what you are saying is. The first reason it's stupid is this, epoxy creates a hard shell/ surface, really hard, and if put it across the saddle feathers or back of a rooster , it would have been noticed by the very first ref in a long knife fight the first time he pitted the roosters back. Secondly if it was used in the gaff, most real handlers handle both rooster when they are hung up! So the only conclusion that anyone who is smarter than a 1st grader would come to would be that you are a complete dumbass to even consider that such stupid bull**** could be true. I don't care how many people write stories about someone using it, no inteligent person would ever believe that this turtle shell sheild bs could have successfully been used at Sunset La. or any other place other than in your head. Get off the **** and quit acting like a crackhead, meth smoking idiot! Dumbass!
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    You need to stop embarrassing yourself, go get detoxed, go to rehab and get your life together, because the drugs you are using are damaging the few working brain cells you have. Bend over, reach back and pull your head up out of your ass! YOU ARE EMBRASSING YOURSELF WITH THIS STUPIDITY!

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    Sorta how I see it how would all those great rooster men not have known they was cheated that way.but like I said I was there most of the time a lot off places Sammy went I never saw him even offer to cheat.did he win ya did he loose heck ya saw that happen a lot to.like calling all the people he matched into complete dummies I’m sorry to many real roostermen to not catch them cheating

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    Arkla2, You are the STUPID ONE!!!!!! And DRUG USER!!!
    I have a business and a good life.
    STUPID HILLBILLY!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by arkla2 View Post
    you need to stop embarrassing yourself, go get detoxed, go to rehab and get your life together, because the drugs you are using are damaging the few working brain cells you have. Bend over, reach back and pull your head up out of your ass! You are embrassing yourself with this stupidity!
    fu*k you!!! Motherfu*ker hillbilly!!!!! You are a DRUG USER/DEALER AND CHEATERS!!
    just like JGT and RAMSEY who you happen to IDOLIZE!
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    fu*k you!!! Motherfu*ker hillbilly!!!!!
    I almost never comment on anything on this site. I just read and enjoy but I absolutely have to comment on this discussion. I'm 64 years old and my dad and Uncle had gamefowl the day I was born. I've competed at Sunset,Copperstate,Texoma,Red River,Red Arrow and the list goes on. I've owned some very good fowl in my day. Bought almost everything that Colonel Givens raised for 7 years. Bought a lot of the Dead End fowl. Won some really good derbies at really tough places. I know a thing or two about gamefowl and the people who have them. Dennis Acid you are unbelievably stupid.


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    Beating a dead horse is contagious. Or maybe the same man josh.

    First, established the epoxy to ramsey. Then establishe jgt to ramsey

    established romy to jgt.

    Ramsey should be in wsc. Jgt is. Jgt and ramsey should be in hawai. Not certain romy

    tahi tahing estorya( sawing stories) pinag buhol buhol na kasinuligan( rope style lies)

    after this they will attack carol nesmith. Get the drift? Or bobby fairchild. Dnt feed the trolls

    move on. Get a life. If you are a filipino. I am ashamed for you.

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