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    [quote=colt39][quote=Hatch Black]

    Like I said I agree with most of what is said.

    The only thing I don't agree with is the part about good cocks make good feeders. Now days, they are all good & excellent. There are people that can not win with excellent fowl because they do not know what it takes to get them sharp.

    heres the thing, what is sharp to you. ill give you another example, say this guy always fights his right off the string, most of the time he loses but once in a while he wins. in his yard theres one that won 10 times, thats 10 times off the string. he didnt win because he was sharp he won because he was good.

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    Like I said I agree with most of what is said.

    The only thing I don't agree with is the part about good cocks make good feeders. Now days, they are all good & excellent. There are people that can not win with excellent fowl because they do not know what it takes to get them sharp.

    heres the thing, what is sharp to you. ill give you another example, say this guy always fights his right off the string, most of the time he loses but once in a while he wins. in his yard theres one that won 10 times, thats 10 times off the string. he didnt win because he was sharp he won because he was good.
    Hey, I agree with you on that but now days, you don't win 10 times off the cord & if that were to happen then yes, I would say that that is a VERY good bird.

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    With the stiff competitions we have nowadays, you cannot go to a fight having only good fowls. You will also need the help of a good feeder/handler to get the job done. Conversely, you may have the best feeder/handler in the business but if you only provide him with average fowls then he will look like an amateur when fought against seasoned entries with good fowls and good handlers. We should always go into a fight thinking that we will be matched against the best roosters with the best handlers...

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    AGILITY- Float like a butterfly, Sting like a bee.

    In cocking sport, Agility is characterised by fast feet, body coordination during change of direction and moving skill performing, and reaction time/ability. It is an amalgam of balance, speed, strengt, flexibility and coordination. Although a gamecock (not broiler) agility relies heavily on the acquisition of optimum training technique, it can also be enhanced by specific conditioning.

    A variety of performance-enhancing agility drills, systems and items of equipment should be avialable to the owner and their trainors. The 'science'of agility (and speed and power) training has been known to exceptional cockers/trainors.

    Essentially, agility training dissects a training/sport skill: a skill like the fast-stepping ability required a gamecock is broken down into it's contituent parts, which are then specifically trained. It's all about patterning and conditioning a heightened physical, nuetral, training-specific response.

    Let's consider in more detail the process involve in developing fast feet. One of the major tools avialable for this purpose is the ground-based running pen. This pice of kit is a key element of training/sports, agility and quickness system:

    A wide variety of running, hopping and jumping can be carried out in all directions, using the Rung of this running pen; which is laid flat on the ground, and/or the other slopping ladder used to make the rooster sprinting up and sprinting down aided by the trainor. Such drills enhance foot speed and upper body agility, just like any other aspect of cocking performance, by progressive overload.

    Agility training also utilises numerous other drills and items of specialist kit; these include balance beam, flips back and frontal drills, slaloming in and out of imaginary of cones and stepping over and around small imaginary hurdles. To make the tranference of the agility skill even more sport-specific and actual train skill can also introduced. This could take the form of tailing, zigzag teasing and of actual figths, etc.

    Furthermore, don't ever underestimate the use of balance vitamin supplements and feeds you are giving your gamecock. This are the one of the prime mover of your agile gamecock also. The right accurate supplements should be mastered. It's the WHATS, WHEN and WHERE you should mentally know.

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    [QUOTE=MaxFly]AGILITY- Float like a butterfly, Sting like a bee.

    In cocking sport, Agility is characterised by fast feet, body coordination during change of direction and moving skill performing, and reaction time/ability. It is an amalgam of balance, speed, strengt, flexibility and coordination. Although a gamecock (not broiler) agility relies heavily on the acquisition of optimum training technique, it can also be enhanced by specific conditioning.

    A variety of performance-enhancing agility drills, systems and items of equipment should be avialable to the owner and their trainors. The 'science'of agility (and speed and power) training has been known to exceptional cockers/trainors.

    Essentially, agility training dissects a training/sport skill: a skill like the fast-stepping ability required a gamecock is broken down into it's contituent parts, which are then specifically trained. It's all about patterning and conditioning a heightened physical, nuetral, training-specific response.

    Let's consider in more detail the process involve in developing fast feet. One of the major tools avialable for this purpose is the ground-based running pen. This pice of kit is a key element of training/sports, agility and quickness system:


    no offense, but if you can train a mule for speed and race it with the thoroughbreds, then we have something to ponder about. an asil cannot be a sweater unless infused with speed to compliment the asil's specialty. that's why most of us now are like genetics engineers, tinkering those bloodlines. speed cannot be taught. but a gamecock's performance (whatever his bloodline configuration is) can be enhanced. just my 2 cents. thx

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    no offense, but if you can train a mule for speed and race it with the thoroughbreds, then we have something to ponder about. an asil cannot be a sweater unless infused with speed to compliment the asil's specialty. that's why most of us now are like genetics engineers, tinkering those bloodlines. speed cannot be taught. but a gamecock's performance (whatever his bloodline configuration is) can be enhanced. just my 2 cents. thx

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    Re: Speed Training for Gamecocks

    Marcel,

    We are not talking about donkeys and horses. We are talking about game chickens. You already know that, they do not allow anything that has four legs in the cockpit besides gamecocks plus humans.


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    pardon my ignorance, i didn't know asses and horses can't be allowed in cockpits., but i think somebody's showing ignorance on chickens.
    i'm sorry, i thought you came from same the side of the hill.

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    Marcel01,

    Big man. I only answer your carcasm with sarcasm. I can take constructive criticism anytime as long as it is with in the topic.

    Your ideas of breed is in the bloodline, thats fine. You are still talking chicken.

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    i would say to look at blood lines too coz heavy bone chicken will never have that speed

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    Re: Speed Training for Gamecocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxFly
    AGILITY- Float like a butterfly, Sting like a bee.

    In cocking sport, Agility is characterised by fast feet, body coordination during change of direction and moving skill performing, and reaction time/ability. It is an amalgam of balance, speed, strengt, flexibility and coordination. Although a gamecock (not broiler) agility relies heavily on the acquisition of optimum training technique, it can also be enhanced by specific conditioning.

    A variety of performance-enhancing agility drills, systems and items of equipment should be avialable to the owner and their trainors. The 'science'of agility (and speed and power) training has been known to exceptional cockers/trainors.

    Essentially, agility training dissects a training/sport skill: a skill like the fast-stepping ability required a gamecock is broken down into it's contituent parts, which are then specifically trained. It's all about patterning and conditioning a heightened physical, nuetral, training-specific response.

    Let's consider in more detail the process involve in developing fast feet. One of the major tools avialable for this purpose is the ground-based running pen. This pice of kit is a key element of training/sports, agility and quickness system:


    no offense, but if you can train a mule for speed and race it with the thoroughbreds, then we have something to ponder about. an asil cannot be a sweater unless infused with speed to compliment the asil's specialty. that's why most of us now are like genetics engineers, tinkering those bloodlines. speed cannot be taught. but a gamecock's performance (whatever his bloodline configuration is) can be enhanced. just my 2 cents. thx
    a gamecocks performance can be enhanced indeed, one has to breed for those attributes that cannot be trained, we can train our chickens to have endurance, we can train them to fly high, or train them to be more alert when his opponent is near. speed and agility can be trained but your chicken needs to have the genetic make-up for the task.. im not going to train a mule for speed, it would be unfair for him to race against a throughbred, he is just not made to race.. you can train him of course but for him to win that race, it's not going to happen.. same goes with our beloved chickens, we can enhance their physical attributes but we need to breed them to have the result that we want. A WIN

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    NORTAC,

    You must be "ON POINT". nicely put.

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    NORTAC,

    You must be "ON POINT". nicely put.
    salamat po sir maxfly!! best of luck po sayo!!

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    Just my 2 cents' worth:

    The Sudden Death Grey line of Mr. Eddie Boy Ledesma is known as a flier and frequently kills its opponent on the fly and on the ground, it is a defensive fighter and backpedals as it leaves some heavy shuffles to move out of harm's away.

    I have seen 2 of these greys fight at the Candelaria 2009 and they dispatched their opponents fast with little damage to themselves. Both greys dispatched their opponents in one minute or less. On sparring sessions, they look and fight like ordinary mediocre roosters but on fight day, they are superb. My opinion is that speed is bred in but this has to be developed and built into the birds as they are being ranged, pre-conditioned and conditioned. How to do it is the handler's skill or art.

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    Thanks EEA Indians.

    What it mention in the magazine was that you can train the muscle fiber which they called "quick-twich'' the muscle that when utilize and train gives a rapid quick response. This muscle was not utilized by athletes in their training routine. But now its getting popular with them.

    Samples of their routine are:
    Jumping
    Step - right leg up, left leg down on the board back and forth and so on
    Zig Zag run
    Running up and down the steps, just to name a few.

    I have applied what are mentioned, incorporating with the Salida & Running Pen method also and the result from my hack figths yesterday was amazing.

    Their footworks was amazing. They are so agile that it surpises me. Just my own obserbation. I thought it would be good to share it with my fellow cockers.
    I second the emotion
    As I said before, the primary critiria in selecting, is to get the bloodlines that hit first and connect. A bird could have all the speed and skills but it does not hit first and connects..... sooner or later that bird is gonna get hit....then rest in peace.

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    Most mentioned by cockers is "D Bloodline". But nowadays any bloodline can lick any bloodline. They are all good, smart, breed right, etc. I am with you, no question, period.

    The big question(s) is "WHAT IS NEXT". Where most of (you) us failed.

    Only your "idols" know all along which are simple. All of which is also right under our noses. That is how they have maintained at the top. Which majority of the average cockers can convert into "can do" just by simply "twisting" the old and knowing your regular training routine to be able to tango with the best. Just food for thoughts......no offense meant.......

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    If any of you are fans of the National Football League, you most likely follow the NFL Draft to some extent. Come March, when all of the top recruits are invited to the combine, there is something you hear year in and year out.

    " You can't teach speed!"

    Just like you can't teach a fast type fowl to swing with a hay maker. That is what you breed for.

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    If any of you are fans of the National Football League, you most likely follow the NFL Draft to some extent. Come March, when all of the top recruits are invited to the combine, there is something you hear year in and year out.

    " You can't teach speed!"

    Just like you can't teach a fast type fowl to swing with a hay maker. That is what you breed for.

    If Al Davis was a cocker he would breed Roundheads or Mcraes.

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    If any of you are fans of the National Football League, you most likely follow the NFL Draft to some extent. Come March, when all of the top recruits are invited to the combine, there is something you hear year in and year out.

    " You can't teach speed!"

    Just like you can't teach a fast type fowl to swing with a hay maker. That is what you breed for.

    If Al Davis was a cocker he would breed Roundheads or Mcraes.

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    Re: Speed Training for Gamecocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxFly


    What I have read in Athletic magazine that athletes has certain speed training for their muscles.


    Any ideas how do you train gamecocks for speed

    Can you post how to do it and for how long?.

    This is quite different than endurance and or strenght training which is make them muscle bound.

    TY


    Good breeding is very important. But good feed, good training and good conditioning and right supplimentary medicines are equally important. Having your prized fighters in fighting weight, with well toned muscles and more oxygen to lungs are some keys to develop and optimize Speed. I always personally opt to go down and dirty and do the "Ground Work" when training gamecocks.

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    very interesting...but i agree,, speed comes from the broodpen...

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    Re: Speed Training for Gamecocks

    Well to be honest with you guys, that in a month time training, I have/can DOUBLE the vertical lift power of any gamecock.

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    Well to be honest with you guys, that in a month time training, I have/can DOUBLE the vertical lift power of any gamecock.
    Hi Ed,

    I believe you. Indeed speed and vertical lift can be learned with the proper training and motivation. Just watch this DGRH x Sweater x Lemon which was trained for a month after taken from cord-walk:

    http://supermaxpointing.multiply.com/video/item/25/UGBA-4-20-09-F2W1.ASF

    It killed its second Sweater in the finals of the UGBA National 7 Bullstag Derby last April 22, 2009. It won against another Sweater in the UGBAP 5 Stag Derby last October 2008. at the start of the training, it had short vertical lift but a special lift exercise taught by an old time handler from Bacolod enabled it to get to the air faster than the opponent and place its own hit first.
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    Re: Speed Training for Gamecocks

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    Well to be honest with you guys, that in a month time training, I have/can DOUBLE the vertical lift power of any gamecock.
    that's great but how do you do that if you dont mind me asking very interesting!

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    plyometrics the one used by pacman is the best speed training, let us consult alex ariza. hehehe

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    Well to be honest with you guys, that in a month time training, I have/can DOUBLE the vertical lift power of any gamecock.
    you probably could do that and i dont doubt you could do alot of other exercises to increase strength and condition but when you do double the vertical lift of the rooster and he wins in the fly he looks like a million dollars but what happens when the other bird doesnt meet him? now all that increasin of the lift doesnt mean squat.

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    speed is useless if the cock doesnt know how to hit accurately,timing should always in it.

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    could anyone be kindly enough to share what excersises can do that for our fowl

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxFly
    Most mentioned by cockers is "D Bloodline". But nowadays any bloodline can lick any bloodline. They are all good, smart, breed right, etc. I am with you, no question, period.

    The big question(s) is "WHAT IS NEXT". Where most of (you) us failed.

    Only your "idols" know all along which are simple. All of which is also right under our noses. That is how they have maintained at the top. Which majority of the average cockers can convert into "can do" just by simply "twisting" the old and knowing your regular training routine to be able to tango with the best. Just food for thoughts......no offense meant.......
    Since most of the members here are having handlers of their own, its difficult to disect for gamecock owners (but non handlers) how to improve power, speed and accuracy in gamefowls during training. Its pretty easy in theory but difficult by application. Everyone is a cockfighter, but if you wanna be a more complete cockfighter you gotta be a handler, and be a better handler if not good or best. A handler that takes care of the fowls 365 days a year. A handler that knows how to take really good care of fowls, knows how to feed well, knows how to train them well and knows how to condition them well. Handlers are often under-rated if not neglicted, they are the ones that makes your gamecocks WINNERS, take good care of them.

    When training, a handler must go down and get dirty to take the twists and turns regiment every 4 am on daily basis, 2 weeks within 21-day keep and 3 weeks within a 30-day keep. Not just by putting the fowls into rotations, cord - fly - scratch - hold (without force), its a lazy handler's way. Aside from good health and good pedigree, handlers must know how to tone muscles correctly, muscles at the back, chest, neck, wings, tighs, legs, tendons to fingers, develop it to achieve optimum flexibility, mobility, agility and recoil. Enhance exercises to maximize oxygen to the lungs to develop stamina. Lesser stamina means lesser athleticism. Improve eye - body - leg coordination. In short, how to make your gamecock real SHARP.




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    its not that the handler is under rated but it is the rooster that does the fighting. that is why when people win derbies the one comment that you will hear the most is that he was fighting good ones. yes a handler can enhance the birds strength and endurance but he is what he is. heres the thing, who does most good if not great handlers work for? answer: for the big time cockfighters. and why? because they get paid more than if in the small backyard. you see, the handlers have selection from hundreds if not thousands of roosters to choose from at 1 or more yards, so getting their hands on good ones for a season is easier than a guy with a small yard. im not trying to take anything away from the handlers but having good chickens to start off with is more than half the battle. and all that blood sweat and tears that they give is part of their JOB, they get paid for what they do. if you or i have everyday to spend with the roosters its fairly easy to get down and dirty. i would have more respect for the guy that works a full time job and can compete in major competition. like i said in another thread, there are roosters that can win for different feeders in different areas with different feeds, so its not so much the handler than it is the rooster. i will tell you one way for handlers to get respect, give them the average ones and win the candelaria or wsc. one more thing, if a a handler can get his birds to fight better than he ever sparred he did his job. just my opinion.

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