Bill Baumgardner Blueface Hatch

**redbreeder** · June 29th, 2010, 11:24 PM

Back in the 70's and 80's Bill and my uncle Jack Stamey were partners. They fought under Bill and Jack, I saw lots of the blue face, McLean and the ones you guy's are omitting the Bates that were also in the mix of the hatch fowl. They mainly fought butcher and hatch fowl crossed in different degrees. The best was half hatch and half butcher bred back to the bates hatch side. If you can find it, there is a cover picture on the gamecock magazine in the year 1980' -I do not know the month of one of these cocks I am talking about. They were tremendous cocks in all heels, spur and short knife. Very game, I know, as I have handled these cocks before in the pit. The cocks in the pictures above are a little different than the BLUEFACE of bills I have. Yes there is a similarity but the blue faces did not come spangled-speckled, they were DARK-DARK, with some lighter manes than others. The specks, as they were called were from the mcleans-bates. I do not know how Bill bread them in the last few years but I do know a little about the years I am speaking about. I have a a large 10-12 picture of my uncle Bobby Gibson who was Jacks wife's brother holding a beautiful pure blue face cock that Bill had gifted him before his untimely death in an automobile accident. Jack had given me 2 straight speck hens and I bred them to a straight double nose bates cock from bill that produced many good cocks. The bates blood had very small heads. Hope this sheds some light on your inquiry. I did talk to Bill 3weeks prior to his passing, he was a honest man in rooster dealings.......

**Eaglecross** · June 29th, 2010, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by Extreme J

thank you for your info, really appreciate it...

looking forward to some of our fellow cockers to give more inputs to help our good friend here... ... by the way, i'm just a very very small time breeder who doesn't have more than 5 hen/rooster but really enjoying the sabong.... visiting this site complete my day... keep posting guys...tnx and have a great day

My Friend have Bob Benneth Blue Face But I don't breed since I don't like dark leg fowls.

All I have seen here is very nice, it seems all macho cock.

Thanks

**the_archangel** · June 30th, 2010, 12:41 AM

redbreeder : thanks for that input brother! maybe you can scan or take a picture of that picture you're talkin about so we could see what the original baumgardner bluefaces looked like

maybe some pics of your fowl as well. thanks!

**Playboy** · June 30th, 2010, 04:29 AM

I met redbreeder in W. Va. at a recent poultry show. He had some fine looking birds with him.The hatch looked like I remember Bill's. fis

**redbreeder** · June 30th, 2010, 04:34 AM

Great to hear from you playboy, it was nice to meet and talk to you in WV. The Internet allows us to connect with people we would have never known otherwise. All the best to you and your fowl, hope to see you again....

**hopevalley** · June 30th, 2010, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Engkanto

Just wanted to share a few pics of a friend's Baumgardner Blueface:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2177.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2225.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2178.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2185.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2231.jpg

This one is full brother to the other 3 lemon hackled Blueface. A throwback?
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2188.jpg

nice post sir Engkanto...am trying to send u message sir, your pm box is full...tnx

**plantze** · June 30th, 2010, 06:47 AM

This one is full brother to the other 3 lemon hackled Blueface. A throwback?
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2188.jpg[/QUOTE]

engkanto, it looks like for me a col givens hatch. kindly check this http://www.maximustroypublications.c...ianoFarms.html

**redbreeder** · June 30th, 2010, 11:42 PM

**the_archangel** · June 30th, 2010, 11:45 PM

redbreeder : the pics are much appreciated man, my internet is slow, so im having a hard time loading them, but im betting that tomorrow it'd be better.

but this early on, id like to say thanks.

**desertfire** · July 1st, 2010, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by redbreeder

really appreciate it Sir for sharing to us these pics...they are awesome

**Engkanto** · July 1st, 2010, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by redbreeder

Redbreeder, these are really nice birds. I like the solid body and the station of your BB Blueface, well-balanced birds. Your place also is very clean and well-maintained. Are those Greys straight Grey blood or crossed with your Blueface? They are nice also.

Thanks for sharing these pictures.

Engkanto

**redbreeder** · July 1st, 2010, 09:53 AM

The grey are hLf of the blue face blood. Thanks for the comments...

**OnPoint** · July 1st, 2010, 09:56 AM

engkanto ..

if you don't mind my asking, whose birds are those in your pics? i recall you mentioning they weren't yours and that is why i ask. if they are yours, then i apologize for my mistake.

just my two cents ..

**tabigi** · July 1st, 2010, 10:24 AM

nice cocks specially the red cocks good build and will balance body and height

**Engkanto** · July 1st, 2010, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by OnPoint

engkanto ..

if you don't mind my asking, whose birds are those in your pics? i recall you mentioning they weren't yours and that is why i ask. if they are yours, then i apologize for my mistake.

just my two cents ..

On-point, those are Gene Frizzell's birds from TN. He also breeds the Hoskins fowls (YLM, Albany and Greys).

Thanks for the reply redbreeder. The reason I asked about your Grey is he looks exactly like the Grey cock my friend Gene gifted me. He's also a Hatch - Grey cross. You seems to be a veteran breeder and you probably know Gene. He and Richard Bates (may his soul rest in peace) used to show a lot together when Richard was still here in the U.S. Gene used to be partner with Aurelio "Wello" Gutierrez and he used to breed/feed for Ray Hoskins.

Btw, here's a picture of the hatch-Grey cross I am telling you about:
http://www.gamerooster.com/programs/...2/ppuser/13065

Hopevalley, I already deleted a few messages from my Message inbox. I hope they raise the maximum to above 50 messages.

Trueedge, I apologize if this is somewhat out of topic. Sorry about that.

Thanks!
Engkanto

**shellcracker** · July 1st, 2010, 10:55 AM

I wonder who is taking care his birds after he passed away. when he still alive, he told me there is a young boy help him feed while he is in the hospital. he also teach him how to make gaff as well. i regret not getting his blueface brood stock when he offer. i took his claret instead. i didn't know how good his blueface hatch were.

cockfighter_199 · April 4th, 2013, 01:32 AM

Anyone who was able to get fowl from Bill Baumgardner were some lucky people because not one of his breeds were junk. I have his bates and blueface and they are superior fowl. My good friend acquired a lot of Bills fowl, pens and his black out stalls that Richard Bates made. I will get some updated pictures of the bates and blueface when the weatehr warms up.

**MG TOPGUN** · December 27th, 2013, 10:40 PM

Engkanto, where did you acquire this spangled Blueface.?

Originally Posted by Engkanto

Just wanted to share a few pics of a friend's Baumgardner Blueface:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2177.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2225.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2178.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2185.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2231.jpg

This one is full brother to the other 3 lemon hackled Blueface. A throwback?
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2188.jpg

**gt424us** · February 21st, 2016, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by redbreeder

Redbreeder these cocks look well built. They look very solid, and well balanced. Do u still breed these lines today. Any pictures of the blueface females.

**BostonMurphy** · February 21st, 2016, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Engkanto

Just wanted to share a few pics of a friend's Baumgardner Blueface:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2177.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2225.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2178.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2185.jpg

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2231.jpg

This one is full brother to the other 3 lemon hackled Blueface. A throwback?
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...0/DSCN2188.jpg

These are pretty close in looks to our Bumgardner Blueface. Only ours never come spangled, and ours are always palefaced.
Now I got ours direct off Bills yard. The original pair has Bills tags. Ours are deadly in the 1.5 regulation gaff. When legal we went undefeated for 3 years. The first loss the cock broke his leg early, but never stopped working. I wish I had some new blood of the original stock. Anyways they were good when it was legal

**copperhead rd** · February 21st, 2016, 10:00 PM

use to go to bill,s place only living 30min or so from him ,,,his blueface blood line still very popular in these mtn,s ,,,

**Carpenter** · February 22nd, 2016, 02:14 AM

Real hatch fowl they are......but a whole lot better bulit body's

**gt424us** · February 23rd, 2016, 01:59 AM

Anyone with any recent pictures of this bloodline.

**copperhead rd** · February 23rd, 2016, 06:49 AM

get some up ,,,,when wife gets some photos and post. me i can 1 finger type thats about it lol

**Georgia Blues** · March 16th, 2016, 01:08 PM

Hey Guys i see this thread has been alive for 6 years now. I would like to know who on here still has some of Bills Spangled Blue face Line? I'm interested in knowing what the biggest difference in these vs some of the more popular lines out are... Everyone and there Daddy has Dead End and Bennett etc ... just wanted to know what your best are like and who's not hiding the blood lol. Looking for a hen or 2

**chad123** · March 16th, 2016, 05:33 PM

Bill never had a spangled blueface line i wasnt sure if you meant to say spangled and blueface they were 2 aeperate families yfis

**Georgia Blues** · March 17th, 2016, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by chad123

Bill never had a spangled blueface line i wasnt sure if you meant to say spangled and blueface they were 2 aeperate families yfis

Hey there. ..glad you could comment. I read this thread abs that's why I asked about the BF spangled. Apparently some of the guys here posted a pic and spoke of the BF being a spangled as well.

**chad123** · March 17th, 2016, 05:27 PM

I saw that too sounds like somebody got something with a little something else in it. Bill im sure used his hatches to freshen up his other bloodlines when he needed to may have used the spangle and blueface together at some point but i never saw a spangle blueface on his yard or in the broodpens hope this helps yfis

**BostonMurphy** · March 18th, 2016, 01:10 AM

My buddy who knew Bill said. When I showed him my blood. Which is now his too. He said Bill put a cutting line into his like Claret. He said the old ones did not cut like this.

**copperhead rd** · March 18th, 2016, 08:26 AM

I rember bills old line of blueface and they where not the best cutters ,,,and then came along a more stream lined blueface that cut you every time they hit ya what he did or put in them dont no but he did it right ,,,and on the spangle thats what it was spangle hatch ,,,,maybe bates dont no

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