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    FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF KENTUCKY:

    i suggest a new KENTUCKY law that states that:

    'cockfighting' is a "sporting activity" and is a 'cultural right' of the people of the state of Kentucky.

    "sporting activit[y]". KY. REV. STAT. ANN. section 525.130(2)(e);
    here is the current kentucky law:
    KY. REV. STAT. ANN. 525.125, 525.130,
    525.135
    http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stuskyst525_125.htm

    "Caught in a cockfight: Clay County official latest to endorse Ky. bill

    ... the Clay County sheriff is the latest to endorse a Kentucky bill that would make cockfighting a felony...
    Johnson emphasized he has supported the changes to the Kentucky law about animal fighting before the video's release because he believes animal fighting is cruel regardless of the species involved..."
    http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2010/02/26/4644451.htm
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    WITH RESPECT TO KENTUCKY INDIAN TRIBES

    another suggestion:

    1. with respect to kentucky indian tribes, a kentucky tribe could enact a tribal law/statute that: "cockfighting" is a "cultural right" of the people of such indian nation.

    after such enactment, cockfighting would be legal in such indian nation.
    beat the kentucky state legislature to the punch.
    puerto rico cockfighting generates about $400 million a year.

    2. if such kentucky indian tribe is interested in business, money, and jobs that legal cockfighting in indian lands would bring, such tribe could obtain a class III cockfighting gambling license, in the same manner as in indian casino gambling, so that indians and non-indians alike could enjoy cockfighting gambling legally.

    here is what i found about kentucky indian tribes:
    Cherokee
    Chickasaw
    Mosopelea
    Shawnee
    Yuchi

    http://www.accessgenealogy.com/nativ...ucky/index.htm

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    "...House Speaker Greg Stumbo, a former attorney general, said he's not sure cockfighting should be illegal. "A lot of people argue that it's a tradition in our country dates back to Thomas Jefferson and George Washington," Stumbo said.
    "I don't necessarily believe that it's the worst crime that's ever been committed."
    He said in his opinion it doesn't compare to dog fighting, which "is a pretty bad crime."
    Asked the difference between dog fighting and cockfighting, Stumbo replied: "You don't eat a dog in a Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant."
    Rep. Joni Jenkins, D-Louisville, has filed House Bill 169 to make cockfighting a felony, but the bill is stalled in committee."
    http://www.kentucky.com/2010/02/24/1...ockfights.html


    i've asked a kentucky friend to send an email to house speaker greg stumbo.
    read the email below.

    "subject: House Bill 169
    email:
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    Submit: Submit Information


    message
    "WE OPPOSE HOUSE BILL 169
    dear house speaker greg stumbo:
    thanks for standing up for all kentuckians. i, my family, relatives, and friends strongly oppose house bill 169, and we love to keep and maintain our right, culture, heritage, and tradition of peacefully and socially enjoying cockfighting. we do not need the animal rights activists from other states instigating trouble among us peaceful residents, and to dictate and forcibly ram down our throats their animal rights belief. we, kentuckians, have rights, culture, heritage, and tradition, too. we would like to ask you to sponsor and enact a bill that states that: "cockfighting" is a "cultural right" of the people of the great state of kentucky. http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc...684&pst=870087 we dont want the animal rights activists dictating what we do and enjoy in kentucky. we salute you. thanks."

    CALL, OR EMAIL (in your own words) HOUSE SPEAKER GREG STUMBO.
    "Call the Toll-Free Legislative Message Line at 1-800-372-7181 to leave a message."
    to send email, go to:
    http://www.lrc.ky.gov/Mailform/H095.htm

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    Thanks Tony Your Great!!!!

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    When I was a kid, I poked a stick in a hornet's nest one time just to see what would happen. I learned a very painful lesson about hornets that day.

    Cockfighting in America today is like a hornet's nest. The average American doesn't really care one way or the other about cockfighting until someone goes poking around and stirs up the nest. No matter what you and I may think about it, cockfighting in America is never going to be accepted by the general public as a so called cultural sport. No politician in his right mind is going to risk his or her political career by supporting or promoting cockfighting in any way, shape or form. The best thing that you and I can do is just keep a low profile, be good citizens and try not to draw attention to our chickens. Publicity of any kind is our worst enemy. This is my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

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    Those morons at H$U$ know thru thier advertising agencies how to get people in an uproar over cocking. They tie dog fighting in with cockfighting and then use it to make all animal fighting a felony. In the rural areas those people know the difference and cockfighting doesnt bother them but in the urban (city) areas with thier concrete mentality they vote against cocking. Everytime cocking has been voted out it was in the cities. In our cities they still think that meat is grown right there on the shelves of our super markets already wrapped in plastic. The H$U$ has a multi-million dollar advertizing budget and they use it well. Plus many of those idiot college kids are now buying into the bullcrap that is being spewed by the H$U$ thru thier college professors and other idiots who think animals are regular people and should be treated as such.

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    Keep the calls coming. Call 1 800 372 7181 tell them You OPPOSE HB 169, tell them send message to House Judiciary Committee.

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    Exactly. If there is no complain, there is no raid. So keep the coppers out and politicians out, the media is never too far from them. Unlike the Philippines, KY, or the USA in general, will never have a dictator that can silence Congress. A dictator with cronies and close political allies who are cockfighters is what KY State needs.
    Quote Originally Posted by High Noon
    When I was a kid, I poked a stick in a hornet's nest one time just to see what would happen. I learned a very painful lesson about hornets that day.

    Cockfighting in America today is like a hornet's nest. The average American doesn't really care one way or the other about cockfighting until someone goes poking around and stirs up the nest. No matter what you and I may think about it, cockfighting in America is never going to be accepted by the general public as a so called cultural sport. No politician in his right mind is going to risk his or her political career by supporting or promoting cockfighting in any way, shape or form. The best thing that you and I can do is just keep a low profile, be good citizens and try not to draw attention to our chickens. Publicity of any kind is our worst enemy. This is my opinion. You are entitled to yours.

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    bogoy:

    thanks.

    with respect to kentucky house bill 169, some people's ideas are like a recurring fatal nightmare--its like cockfighting history 101 happening again.
    its hard to believe, but like contented slaves, as before, some people just want to give up and quit, just say yes sir without complaint, and wholeheartedly leave our fate--our right, culture, tradition, heritage, and belief--to our evil enemies, without a word and without a fight, as if the evil animal rights terrorists would pay us no attention, give us more time, or have mercy on us if we just be contented slaves and "just keep a low profile", stay below the radar, do or say nothing, avoid "Publicity", just "be good citizens", or dont "complain".
    well, history has proven that such contented slave-ideas do not work, and would never work.
    such low profile or do or say nothing ideas did not work in missouri, oklahoma, arizona, new mexico, or louisiana, and they would never work anywhere.

    where has such misguided, contented slave-thinking and inaction brought us so far?
    1. first misdeamenor and fines.
    2. then felony, jail times, and more fines.
    3. then more jail times, and more and more fines.
    4. limits on the number of chickens you could own in your own property.
    5. we are being treated like criminals, and our privacy and property rights are being violated based on almost any excuse the evil enemies could think of, such as a report of injured or unhealthy chicken in your property, having gamefowls vitamins or supplements, suspicious gathering, etc., and on and on and on.
    6. cockfighting is now illegal in all 50 states, and we now have a federal law against cockfighting.
    7. soon, the evil enemies would dictate that even owning or breeding gamefowls is illegal.
    did i miss anything?

    thanks again.
    cheers.

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    tony777 i think you sum it up on how we live in the land of the no so freedom......


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    Well put sir that's really putting things in perspective .Salamat

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony777
    WITH RESPECT TO KENTUCKY INDIAN TRIBES

    another suggestion:

    1. with respect to kentucky indian tribes, a kentucky tribe could enact a tribal law/statute that: "cockfighting" is a "cultural right" of the people of such indian nation.

    after such enactment, cockfighting would be legal in such indian nation.
    beat the kentucky state legislature to the punch.
    puerto rico cockfighting generates about $400 million a year.

    2. if such kentucky indian tribe is interested in business, money, and jobs that legal cockfighting in indian lands would bring, such tribe could obtain a class III cockfighting gambling license, in the same manner as in indian casino gambling, so that indians and non-indians alike could enjoy cockfighting gambling legally.

    here is what i found about kentucky indian tribes:
    Cherokee
    Chickasaw
    Mosopeleacountry
    Shawnee
    Yuchi

    http://www.accessgenealogy.com/nativ...ucky/index.htm
    tony777,
    i myself want to see some fights here in the USA and not worry about getting busted, but your post about puerto rico and indian tribes here are like apples & oranges, they're way different, in puerto rico the whole country have legalize cockfights and if you're going to an indian tribe that have legalize cockfights, what are you going to do with those injured birds, gaffing paraphernalias and the likes? it's way too more complicated as you portray and do you think you're the only one who thought about this stuff?
    please be real, think about something plausible that will work.
    kid
    and pls. don't come back with this "what have you done lately stuff with me"

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    "Rep. Joni Jenkins, D-Louisville, has filed House Bill 169 to make cockfighting a felony, but the bill is stalled in committee."
    http://www.kentucky.com/2010/02/24/1...ockfights.html

    see: joni jenkins
    http://www.lrc.ky.gov/legislator/H044.htm

    for louisville, kentucky property address for sale,
    type "Louisville, kentucky Homes For Sale" in your search engine.

    an email to joni jenkins.
    please read the email below.

    "WE OPPOSE HOUSE BILL 169

    dear joni jenkins:

    your stand with the outside kentucky interests such as the h.s.u.s., p.e.t.a., etc., is a shame and embarrassment for all kentuckians. i, my family, relatives, and friends strongly oppose house bill 169. we love to keep and maintain our right, culture, heritage, and tradition of peacefully and socially enjoying cockfighting. we do not need the animal rights activists from other states instigating trouble among us peaceful residents, and to dictate and forcibly ram down our throats their animal rights belief. we, kentuckians, have rights, culture, heritage, and tradition, too. please withdraw house bill 169. and we would like to ask you to sponsor and enact a bill that states that: "cockfighting" is a "cultural right" of the people of the great state of kentucky.
    http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc...684&pst=870087
    we dont want the animal rights activists dictating what we do and enjoy in kentucky. thanks."

    CALL, OR EMAIL (in your own words) JONI JENKINS TO OPPOSE KENTUCKY HOUSE BILL 169.
    "Call the Toll-Free Legislative Message Line at 1-800-372-7181 to leave a message."
    send email to joni jenkins at:
    Joni.Jenkins@lrc.ky.gov
    Last edited by tony777; March 2nd, 2010 at 02:54 AM.

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    BE GAMER than Your Rooster!

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    You're missing the point Tony. I am 60 years old and I'm an old soldier in the fight to save cockfighting in America. We tried to save cocking by standing up for ourselves and organizing and going the political route. It cost a lot of people a lot of time and money to fight the battle to save our sport. Well, the battle is over and in case you haven't heard it yet, we LOST! Cockfighting has been banned in all 50 states and it isn't going legal anytime soon. Certainly not in my lifetime and probably not in your lifetime either. So take a lesson from the Viet Cong. When up against a superior force, dig some tunnels and keep a low profile. The enemy cannot kill what the enemy cannot see. And yes, I spent a whole year of my life in Vietnam to learn that lesson. Joni Jenkins is NOT your friend and she would love nothing better than to wave around all those emails and letters as evidence that the people of Kentucky really do need to pass more laws against us. Let House Bill 169 die a quiet natural death and DON'T stir up the hornet's nest.

    And by the way, Kentucky is where I have earned my living over the past 30 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogoy
    Thanks Tony Your Great!!!!
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    I understand and agree with most post on getting the laws changed...But this should have happen mulitple years ago...With our history we should have never allowed it to become illegal at all..but its never going to be put back to legal status in my life time...It would take an act of congress to change the law..that congress and states created...animal activistes want these debates in public because it helps them alot more to keep attention on these issues...More attention they keep getting the more its going to be on tv...and trust me the pics and the information is never going to be on the side of the cocker...When you see cock fighting on the news on tv..next thing they say is drugs, guns, gambling....But god bless kentucky and its fight...

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    Quote Originally Posted by High Noon
    You're missing the point Tony. I am 60 years old and I'm an old soldier in the fight to save cockfighting in America. We tried to save cocking by standing up for ourselves and organizing and going the political route. It cost a lot of people a lot of time and money to fight the battle to save our sport. Well, the battle is over and in case you haven't heard it yet, we LOST! Cockfighting has been banned in all 50 states and it isn't going legal anytime soon. Certainly not in my lifetime and probably not in your lifetime either. So take a lesson from the Viet Cong. When up against a superior force, dig some tunnels and keep a low profile. The enemy cannot kill what the enemy cannot see. And yes, I spent a whole year of my life in Vietnam to learn that lesson. Joni Jenkins is NOT your friend and she would love nothing better than to wave around all those emails and letters as evidence that the people of Kentucky really do need to pass more laws against us. Let House Bill 169 die a quiet natural death and DON'T stir up the hornet's nest.

    And by the way, Kentucky is where I have earned my living over the past 30 years.
    Well said...i agreee with you....PEOPLE SHOULD LISTEN...

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    High Noon:

    you are the one missing the point.
    the point is: complacency is a proven sure killer of our sport for more than 60 years, and before that.

    complacency, such as, dont poke the "hornet's nest", "just keep a low profile", staying below the radar, doing nothing, or "Publicity of any kind is our worst enemy"--is the main reason why we, breeders and cockfighters, are now statistics, victims, slaves, and tunnel rats of the evil animal rights terrorists. your opinion is exactly what the evil enemies would want us to do because it has always work for them.

    your history is flawed.
    i was there too.
    i saw, heard, observed, and witnessed such overwhelmingly complacent attitude before. they said "these activists would just go away if we just ignore them and do nothing". sadly and unfortunately, it was our stand for years and years, for a lot of years, until the evil enemies got stronger than us in money and public opinion.
    then, when complacency did not work, people "tried to save cocking by standing up for ourselves and organizing and going the political route" (High Noon). but it was a desperate last ditch effort and it was too late then. by then, the evil enemies have more money, public opinion has turned in their favor, and they enacted their own laws thru referendums, propositions, or the state legislature.

    the most your complacency stand would give you is a few more weeks or months (if you're lucky) of enjoying your tunnel rat cockfighting. and there is nothing wrong with enjoying our sport in whatever enviroment. however, bill 169 might "die a quiet natural death", but another joni jenkins or bill 169 in another form would surely come, and history would repeat itself.

    in 2007, the puerto rican has shown us a proven, winning game plan that instantly killed the hornet's nest. that is to organize, fight back, and enact a "cockfighting" is a "cultural right" of the people-law. they did it in puerto rico, and if we have the will too, we could do it in kentucky, in any state, territory, or american indian lands, in the phil, mexico, peru, france, and all the other cockfighting places in the world.

    with these evil animal rights terrorists, if you are not willing to fight like the Viet Cong, you are dead. legal cockfighting in the states might not happen again in my lifetime. but who knows. nobody could foretell the future. im not dead yet, and ill fight and peck until i die.
    peck, peck, peck.
    cheers.

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    Call up a news company..let them follow you through a whole keep..Educate the public on what a roaster goes threw and then show them the end result...take them to the pit..Let them do a report on the sport...put urself out front ...and on the news...then see if keeping a low profile is a bad idea....just thoughts

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    Quote Originally Posted by High Noon
    You're missing the point Tony. I am 60 years old and I'm an old soldier in the fight to save cockfighting in America. We tried to save cocking by standing up for ourselves and organizing and going the political route. It cost a lot of people a lot of time and money to fight the battle to save our sport. Well, the battle is over and in case you haven't heard it yet, we LOST! Cockfighting has been banned in all 50 states and it isn't going legal anytime soon. Certainly not in my lifetime and probably not in your lifetime either. So take a lesson from the Viet Cong. When up against a superior force, dig some tunnels and keep a low profile. The enemy cannot kill what the enemy cannot see. And yes, I spent a whole year of my life in Vietnam to learn that lesson. Joni Jenkins is NOT your friend and she would love nothing better than to wave around all those emails and letters as evidence that the people of Kentucky really do need to pass more laws against us. Let House Bill 169 die a quiet natural death and DON'T stir up the hornet's nest.

    And by the way, Kentucky is where I have earned my living over the past 30 years.
    tony777,
    he fought and he(us) lost, if you don't want the phrase "poke the hornets' nest", how about, "let sleeping dogs lie" if you know what i mean!
    kid

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    hey guys let work together on this not against each other that is what the H$U$ wants.... everyone has differnt opinions so please respected each other..... this would be something that we all would want and that would be a place of peace with out looking over ur shoulder....... how its done who knows we just need to work together.......



    my 2 cents


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    America is getting soft

    What happen to the mighty country that dominate the World

    Too much of Disney mentality now a days

    If we say this country are full of warriors then we are teaching the warriors to dance instead of fight

    For me cockfighting is a form of warrior mentality, we hone the birds to be sharp and to dispose of their opponent like we human beings do during the guilded years when we fought ourserlves without laws like recently in civil wars in africa and here in this country during the wild west and the indian wars but alas we cannot do that in public any more so we let the birds do it for us. If this junction is disconnected the warrior culture in this country is lost forever so we will become chickens and let the machine do our deeds when we fight. Let me go to the Philippines ones a while. I will hone my warrior mentality there freely without some dumb pagans telling me to eat grass

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    America is getting soft

    What happen to the mighty country that dominate the World

    Too much of Disney mentality now a days

    If we say this country are full of warriors then we are teaching the warriors to dance instead of fight

    For me cockfighting is a form of warrior mentality, we hone the birds to be sharp and to dispose of their opponent like we human beings do during the guilded years when we fought ourserlves without laws like recently in civil wars in africa and here in this country during the wild west and the indian wars but alas we cannot do that in public any more so we let the birds do it for us. If this junction is disconnected the warrior culture in this country is lost forever so we will become chickens and let the machine do our deeds when we fight. Let me go to the Philippines ones a while. I will hone my warrior mentality there freely without some dumb pagans telling me to eat grass

    peace

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    irishcutt:

    thanks.
    i agree with you. the evil enemies lie and misprepresent our sport, and they always tie it with dogfighting, drugs, guns, violence, and other criminal activities.

    im not in advertising, but it seems to me that we should not be scared, ashamed, or embarrassed about breeding gamefowls and cockfighting.

    that cockfighting is our "cultural right" (just like the puerto rican innovation).
    that its our culture, heritage, tradition, and our way of life.
    that people's rights prevail over alleged animal rights.
    that unlike boxing, ufc, or football, nobody gets hurt with cockfighting.
    that its a friendly, family, social, and peaceful gatherings and events.

    that if you dont like it, fine. you dont have to.
    but dont dictate to us how we live and enjoy our life as a people.
    we dont tell you how to live your life. dont tell us how to live ours.
    just leave us in peace with our culture, heritage, tradition, and way of life.
    that we dont tolerate drugs, guns, violence, or criminal activties in our sport.

    that cockfighting is not cruelty to animals.
    that we treat our gamefowls in the most humane manner possible.
    that we treat our gamefowls almost in the same manner with our families and loved ones, with love, great care, and affection.
    much better than the poultry and chicken food industry.
    that our gamefowls chances of survival is much better than in the poultry and chicken food industry, with some dying of old age with great love and care.
    that cockfighting is about breeding the best game chickens in the world thru honorable, gentleman, and sportsman's competition, where one's true character is built, and where one's word is his badge of honor.

    BUT, if we are complacent, when we say or do nothing, others and the public would just believe every false accusations, misrepresentations, and propaganda against us, thus losing public opinion all the time, and we deserve to be losers.
    most people are tolerant of other peoples' culture, heritage, tradition, and way of life.
    if we organize, fight back the puerto rican way, get out of our cocoons, and present our sport in such positive manner, maybe, we might turn things around and win.
    BUT if we stay negative and complacent all the time, we would be losers forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by High Noon
    You're missing the point Tony. I am 60 years old and I'm an old soldier in the fight to save cockfighting in America. We tried to save cocking by standing up for ourselves and organizing and going the political route. It cost a lot of people a lot of time and money to fight the battle to save our sport. Well, the battle is over and in case you haven't heard it yet, we LOST! Cockfighting has been banned in all 50 states and it isn't going legal anytime soon. Certainly not in my lifetime and probably not in your lifetime either. So take a lesson from the Viet Cong. When up against a superior force, dig some tunnels and keep a low profile. The enemy cannot kill what the enemy cannot see. And yes, I spent a whole year of my life in Vietnam to learn that lesson. Joni Jenkins is NOT your friend and she would love nothing better than to wave around all those emails and letters as evidence that the people of Kentucky really do need to pass more laws against us. Let House Bill 169 die a quiet natural death and DON'T stir up the hornet's nest.

    And by the way, Kentucky is where I have earned my living over the past 30 years.
    Revenge is the Best Dish, Best Serve Cold!

    I told you Tony before, advocate are getting lots of funds regarding this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kybreeder
    Keep the calls coming. Call 1 800 372 7181 tell them You OPPOSE HB 169, tell them send message to House Judiciary Committee.
    kybreeder:

    thanks.
    if one lives in the states, one would know and understand the force and power of public opinion.
    politicians would not admit it, but they do listen to, and watch, what the public's pulse is.
    especially those politicians who are dreaming of higher public office.
    they took out the lex18.com online poll about cockfighting because cockfighting was winning.
    we've seen the gay marriage, pro-choice, and gun lobby movement. they dont quit fighting for what they believe in.
    without agreeing or disagreeing to any of their cause, that should be the way we should fight the evil enemies.
    we should organize, be united, dont quit, and join the fight about our "cultural right" to gamefowl breeding and cockfighting, and that we should not be stereotyped, harrassed, discriminated, or be treated like criminals because of our cultural right, culture, heritage, tradition, and way of life.
    otherwise, if we remain complacent, if we do or say nothing in defense of, or in the fight for, our cultural right, culture, heritage, tradition, and way of life, then we deserved to be complainers and losers forever.

    if all kentuckian cockfighters/supporters, and concerned citizens from outside kentucky, would call and email joni jenkins in opposition to bill 169 (which caters to the evil animal rights activists from out of the state of kentucky, and against kentuckians who just want to peacefully enjoy their cultural right to gamefowl breeding and cockfighting), in the same enthusiasm and manner as we responded to lex18.com online poll, she and other politicians would know that such bill is not good for their political life, and they would not even dare think of resurrecting such bill again.
    and then, that would be the end of it, with a much stronger end in our favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VMT^Carmen
    Exactly. If there is no complain, there is no raid...
    VMT^Carmen:

    "just keep a low profile", stay below the radar, do nothing, "Publicity of any kind is our worst enemy", or just "be good citizens" and lick the evil enemies' behind by bowing to their evil dictates with respect to our chickens, privacy, property, and cultural rights. High Noon.
    "Exactly. If there is no complain, there is no raid." VMT^Carmen.

    so, just leave the hangman's noose for gamefowl breeders and cockfighters alone, with no fight, by doing or saying nothing, just like the hangman's noose that we now have in our necks in the phil?
    (1) the bohol-Aumentado-case law, and
    (2) section 6 of the animal welfare act of 1998.
    "Sunday, February 3, 2008
    SC upholds RTC, CA decisions on cockfighting
    COCKFIGHTING aficionados now have no choice but to indulge in their favorite "sport" only on Sundays, legal holidays and, during fiestas, up to three days."
    http://www.boholsundaypost.net/2008/feb/3/front4.htm

    the animal welfare act of 1998:
    "SECTION 6: It shall be unlawful for any person to torture any animal".
    http://www.linisgobyerno.org/RA8485.htm

    WITH RESPECT TO THE BOHOL-AUMENTADO-PHIL SUPREME COURT-CASE LAW, IT IS, AND WOULD BE, THE LAW OF THE LAND IN THE PHIL, EVEN AFTER BOHOL GOV. AUMENTADO IS DEAD AND GONE.

    in a war game scenario:

    A. in another small remote province, if Aumentado clones/clowns-pnp or govt officials start enforcing the Aumentado-case law and such province becomes another bohol-Aumentado-type-province, would your stand still be: "If there is no complain, there is no raid."?

    B. in a small remote town, if Aumentado clones/clowns-pnp or govt officials start to enforce section 6 of the animal welfare act of 1998, that cockfighting is "torture" or cruelty to gamefowls, just to have an animal rights-case law established in the phil just like the bohol-Aumentado-phil supreme court case-law, your complacency stand or say or do nothing stand, if adopted by more pinoys, would be the beginning of the end for phil sabong.

    VMT^Carmen, you and your friends, could have, and enjoy, the hangman's noose.
    Last edited by tony777; March 6th, 2010 at 10:08 AM.

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    I support the Kentucky folks my people where i live! WHy Why should we lay down hide be afraid of these folks this is our state im sorry but to me all these gamefowl sites should be in a line to support Ky they are making a living selling and dealing in these gamefowl under the pretext as not used for illegal use. I called and will call as this is a right my dad grandpa greatgrandpa and so on and so on as far as my family goes cockfighting has been in it! I will not hide and if your afraid of the hornets nest give me the stick! i'll whack it a time or 2. It is our right our heritage to fight gamefowl! I watched the news here other night about the **** downing the Ky State Police because the undercover video showed them at the pitts.. They take anyone drunk or caught gambling to jail hows that not doing there jobs? I have been talked down to on several websites for trying to support cockfights with everyone shutting me out and telling not to fight a dieng cause but its my heritage and me and my kids and the people of kentucky's right. I have even been banned from a website for mentioning the word cockfighting and they call themself a gamefowl site Oakridge for standing up for myself and refering to ky fighting to keep it legal yes they called me a problem im sorry people like that are the problem only thinking of the all mighty dollar! i can buy and sell on there auction but cant speak my constitutional rights im sorry but thats WRONG! I will do everything in my power to make sure my rights are not trampled. I cant believe we are forcefully being made to stop our way of life. The H*** people called everyone that fought chickens criminals and refered that we all used and trafficed drugs at these events. They called the pitts gambling houses. Whats the place in hazard Ky called UBET it is a gambling house but OH guess what its LEGAL!!! how much bull is that. Im to my ears with this and think anyone who dosent agree with tony777 should jusst not post here as we are in a serious battle for our and eventually everyones right! People starving all over the world and there life depends on stoping our heritage our way of life cockfighting now you tell me wheres there morals and ethics and value. There agenda is there only goal not the welfare of our people or our country. Please if anyone need anything done and I can help just email me and i'll do everything in my power Thanks and God Bless you all.

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    Tony777 there is no point argueing this case any further. I refuse to do so because I refuse to admit that my friends in the US (in Kentucky in particular) are still engaging in illegal cockfighting, you can waterboard me on that. There is no way I will admit to that accusation.
    Please don't argue with me on this, argue it with the judge on your trial.

    We raised the chicken purely for breeding purposes only. You can spill your own beans bro but don't take the whole shelf with you.

    My last say on this matter Cockfighting is illegal in the USA!!
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