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    LACY ROUNDHEADS

    How rare is it to get a yellow legged lacy?

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    Not that rare at all.
    All Lacy Roundheads will come both white and yellow legged.
    I don't see why not.
    Some strains will even come straight combed.

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    Re: Lacy Breeders

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdi
    Not that rare at all.
    All Lacy Roundheads will come both white and yellow legged.
    I don't see why not.
    Some strains will even come straight combed.
    We have been breeding Lacy Roundheads for over 20 years now. We have never seen a yellow legged Lacy knor have we seen a straight comb Lacy. Better do some homework if someone is trying to sell you a yellow legged or a straight comb Lacy.

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    Re: Lacy Breeders

    Our Carl Davis Roundhead (Lacy) are 100% peacomb and
    White Leg...

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    Quote Originally Posted by grey man
    We have been breeding Lacy Roundheads for over 20 years now. We have never seen a yellow legged Lacy knor have we seen a straight comb Lacy. Better do some homework if someone is trying to sell you a yellow legged or a straight comb Lacy.
    By Judge Ernest Lacy
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    I started my roundhead in 1915 by breeding a Hope roundhead cock (loaned me by Judge E. W. Long of Jasper, Ala) on a roundhead hen bought from Burnell Shelton of Mississippi. In 1917, to avoid too close breeding, I bred a 1/2 Shelton 1/2 Harvey roundhead cock on one yard of my hens, and for the same purpose, in 1921, I bred on one of my yards a cock which Ira Kimbrell secured from Mr. Hugh Buckingham of Memphis. About this time I let Mr. Thos. J. Judge, an attorney living at Birmingham, Ala. have some of my games and since then we have often made exchanges of brood stock. I put no new blood in my stock until 1927, when through Tom Judge, I secured from a party named Ledbetter, who lived near Birmingham a cock called "two-toe" which was placed at the head of one of my yards of roundhead hens. I got some fine cocks and stags from that mating - the best I had ever had up to that time, - I now have two of the hens that I raised from the "two-toe" cock in 1927. While I only got to breed the "two-toe" cock one season, yet every cock, hen, stag and pullet that I have or have had for five years carries more or less of that "two-toe" blood. The old "two-toe" cock was not a very impressive looking bird, and just who raised him is uncertain - His "get" ( sp? I can't make this out) have made such a good record that quite a number of parties claim he was raised by them - Ledbetter bought him at a fight new B'ham for $5.00 from a party named King. He was a small cock weighing about 4.14 was red-eyed, pea-combed, had yellow legs & almost white ear lobes, was light red in color and medium stationed.

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    In the spring of 1916, I bought from Shelton of Miss. a pea combed, yellow legged, red eyed RH hen - medium station, had white feathers all over body, but not enough to call a spangle color - To this hen I bred a 5.14 white legged, pea comb, black-breasted red, above medium stationed cock that Judge E.W. Long, loaned me. As I then understood it, this E.W. Long Cock was out of a Hope of Aberdeen Miss. From this mating I raised about 12 stags & pullets. They were all rather large & high stationed. I selected 5 pullets from this mating and bred them in 1917 to a stag I raised in 1916 out of eggs that Will Gunter & I got from Shelton. Only two stags were raised from that setting of eggs, Gunter got one of the stags and I got the other. Gunter wrote Shelton for that setting of eggs & Shelton wrote Gunter, when the eggs were shipped that there was a small "dash" of blood in the yard that the eggs came from, that he was not "yet ready to divulge". I never knew exactly what that "dash" of non-roundhead blood was, but got the impression from what I later heard (not from Shelton) & the general confirmation of the 2 stags Gunter & I raised that, that "dash" of blood was red-quill. The 2 stags referred to were pea combed black breasted reds, with red eyes and white legs. As above stated I bred the white legged stag which I got to the five pullets above referred to. From that mating I got some high class fighting, desperately game stags and pullets. This 1917 yard was in the handle of John Barton who then lived at the Dullin place about 4 miles southwest of Jasper.

    In 1918 I got from Will Gunter his white legged cock, which he raised in 1916, and bred this cock on pullets raised in 1917 from my white legged stag above referred to from this I raised five stags & pullets (Bob Burton raised them for me) (the stags won several fights after reaching two years of age.) In 1920 or 1921 I let James G. Oakley take all of the pullets from this 1918 mating.
    The following is a copy of a letter to Mr. Lloyd Tomlinson sharing more information about the make up of the Lacy strain of fowl.
    Ernest Lacy
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    July 16, 1925
    Mr. Lloyd Tomlinson,
    Yuba City, California.
    Dear Sir:
    I trust you will pardon my apparent neglect in not sooner answering your letter of June 28th. I took a three week vacation and only returned last week and since then have been up to my ears with work.
    I am always glad to hear from one who has good roundheads and who knows how to breed them, there are many breeders but few good ones according to my observation. I have been breeding games since 1911 and have tried out several different strains, but reached the conclusion some 7 or 8 years ago that the Roundheads are the best. I have what you might term two strains of Roundhead, most of one of these come with white legs, though some come with yellow legs. I really think this so called white legged strain has a slight infusion of Redquill blood in it -- I say this because quite a few come a pumpkin or ginger red color, and when they are right young some of them come with moccasin colored feet and legs through later on they turn white. They were originated in this --. Eight years ago I got a very fine R.H. hen with yellow legs and slightly spangled, from Miss B. Shelton of Miss. The hen was old when I got her and I paid $7.50 for her, on this hen I bred a white legged R. H. cock that Judge E. W. Long of this place had raised. This Judge Long cock was raised from some R. H. hens that Judge Long got from Griffin Bros. , of Aberdeen, Mississippi, and from a white legged cock that Chas. Hope of Louisiana loaned to Judge Long. This cock that Hope sent Judge Long, had a small amount of Redquill blood so Judge Long told me though he showed no signs of it. From the mating of the Long cock (being of son of the Hope cock and the Griffin hen) with the old Shelton Hen, (referred to above). I raised about 9 or 10 pullets which I culled down to 5, and I took these 5 pullets and mated them with a white legged R. H. cock, which was raised out of eggs that Will Gunter of this place bought from Shelton. The get from this mating proved extra good and I took some hens raised from this mating and bred them to a brother of their sire; to keep from too close inbreeding I bred on some of these chickens a white legged cock belonging to Mr. Geo H. Davis of this place, and Mr. Davis tells me that way back his R. H's had a slight infusion of Grists' blood coming through the strain of Hervey R. H.'s . These white legged R.H.'s of mine do not have as much of the cautious side stepping qualities as the old original pure Allen and Shelton, R.H's had, but they are great bucklers, very sturdy and are the most desperately game cocks I have ever known of. I have never had one of them to quit or sulk and I think a great deal of them for that reason.
    My other strain of R.H's is of the pure Shelton stock with the exception of a slight infusion of Boone blood in them. The Boone blood came from a black hen that Fred Bair (who died about 4 years ago) got from Campbell of Ky. about 11 years ago. These chickens are rather small but are scientific fighters and have really won a larger percentage of their fights than the white legged strain has, but they are not as strong, nor are they as desperately game nor as classy looking in appearance as the white legged strain. They only have about 1/8th or 1/16th of the black Boone blood in them yet 3/4ths of them especially when young, come dark or brown red in color.
    This coming season I am going to have a party make as experiment with a cross of the white legged strain on the other (you might call it a brown red strain) in order that I may increase the size, stamina, gameness and general appearance of the last named strain. Just what the outcome will be I cannot tell of course. I have no stock to sell. Mr. George Goodrich of this place might let you have some young stock of the white legged strain as I let him have a yard of as good as I ever had to breed.
    Mr. H.H. Cowan of Riverton of this state has some of the best R.H's I know of, but to be perfectly frank about it, I think mine equally as good, and some of those who have seen my cocks in action claim there are none as good, however I find that in this day you will often be surprised when you run up against the other fellow. Please pardon this long letter, it is hard for me to stop writing when it comes to the subject of R.H's.

    Yours truly,
    Ernest Lacy

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    Re: Lacy Breeders

    It just depends on the strain of Lacy you've been breeding.
    My Judge lacy line comes yellow legged and have always produced pea combed.
    White legged is considered a throwback.

    I also have Hugh Norman Lacy and these will produce yellow legged and/or straight combed offsprings and these are considered throwbacks for this strain.

    The George Woods strain will pop out black brassbacks as well due to the Albany/Claret infusion.

    So, there you go.
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    Re: Lacy Breeders

    Nice info Sir Ferdie. Could you please post some pic/s of your yl lacys? Am just curious of their looks. How do they perform on sparring? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ichiko
    Nice info Sir Ferdie. Could you please post some pic/s of your yl lacys? Am just curious of their looks. How do they perform on sparring? Thanks!
    The old time Judge Lacy from Carl Saia of Alabama:



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    There you go Greyman, Ferdi has done his home work very deep. I guess its just a matter of how you know your own RH lines and not discounting someone elses opinion. Goodluck to both of your RH lines.

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    Just my experience we have been breeding LACY from Deecox for 3years now. All we got so far are white legs and peacomb.....


    Here are some of them:





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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdi
    Not that rare at all.
    All Lacy Roundheads will come both white and yellow legged.
    I don't see why not.
    Some strains will even come straight combed.

    SIR FERDI, THANKS FOR YOUR INFO.ABOUT LACY ROUNDHEAD STRAIN WE ARE BREEDING OUR DSVBJ LACY ROUNDHEAD TRIO FOR ALMOST 4 YEARS NOW AND FROM TIME TO TIME SOME YELLOW LEGS AND STRAIGHT COMB COMES OUT AND MAYBE OUT OF 50 STAGS 1 WILL BE A STRAIGHT COMB OR YELLOW LEGGED THIS TYPE OF LACY ROUNDHEAD AS WE OBSERVED HAS AN EXTRA ORDINARY FIGHTING STYLE COMPARED TO THEIR BROTHERS.

    HERE IS SOME OF OUR YELLOW LEGGED DSVBJ LACY ROUNDHEAD COCK WB.218 PICTURE TAKEN DURING HIS FIRST MOULT AND NOW HE IS A 1 X WINNER LAST MAY 17, 2008 4 COCK DERBY AT DAVAO WON UNSCRATCH AND MATCH AGAINST AN ACE COCK OF OUR FELLOW BIGTIME BREEDER IN THAT PLACE, HE IS NOW AT HIS NEW OWNER (DODGE GAMEFARM)


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    Re: Lacy Breeders

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferdi
    It just depends on the strain of Lacy you've been breeding.
    My Judge lacy line comes yellow legged and have always produced pea combed.
    White legged is considered a throwback.

    I also have Hugh Norman Lacy and these will produce yellow legged and/or straight combed offsprings and these are considered throwbacks for this strain.

    The George Woods strain will pop out black brassbacks as well due to the Albany/Claret infusion.

    So, there you go.
    SIR FERDI, JUST TO SHARE OUR DSVBJ LACY ROUNDHEAD STRAIGHTCOMB BULLSTAG 2007 BORN



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    nagpapanalo talaga mga lacys
    nyo dsvbj!!! congrats sa inyo!!!

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    i breed the yl laceys,some of mine come pumpkin in color,and no they aint no hulsey in em,pure lacey

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    makiki daan lang nice lacy

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    Nice info Sir Ferdie. Could you please post some pic/s of your yl lacys? Am just curious of their looks. How do they perform on sparring? Thanks!


    The old time Judge Lacy from Carl Saia of Alabama:

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    Wow! Awesome looking cock! Is this a long knife type or a gaff/sk type of line? What's their weight range? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownfox
    Wow! Awesome looking cock! Is this a long knife type or a gaff/sk type of line? What's their weight range? Thanks.
    This strain have been inbred since the 1950's with no outside blood added since. Carl acquired them from George and Carl Davis (partner of Judge Ernest Lacy) through his partner Dave Harding. They weigh (in pounds) around high 4's to mid 5's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by extremes_20s
    nagpapanalo talaga mga lacys
    nyo dsvbj!!! congrats sa inyo!!!
    EXTREMES, THANKS WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE THIS DSVBJ LACY ROUNDHEAD IN OUR FARM COZ THEY ARE KEEP ON WINNING WITH US FOR ALMOST 3 YEARS FIGHTING IN THE BIG TIME STAG DERBYS AS WELL AS IN THE SMALLTIME CONCIERTOS.

    http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o...erveforjow.jpg




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    sir dsvbj gamefarm, nice lacy roundhead..

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    my lacy roundhead winner in PAGBA and BAKBAKAN last yr stag derby.
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    this one is also a winner in BAKBAKAN last yr.lacy roundhead cross to a ylhatch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bebotzar
    my lacy roundhead winner in PAGBA and BAKBAKAN last yr stag derby.
    BEBOTZAR, BEAUTIFUL LACY RH SEEMS HE HAS A SOLID BODY KEEP THEM WINNING GOODLUCK.

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    one of my lacies that i breed

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    [QUOTE=dsvbj gamefarm]EXTREMES, THANKS WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE THIS DSVBJ LACY ROUNDHEAD IN OUR FARM COZ THEY ARE KEEP ON WINNING WITH US FOR ALMOST 3 YEARS FIGHTING IN THE BIG TIME STAG DERBYS AS WELL AS IN THE SMALLTIME CONCIERTOS.
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    CONGRATS to your team as well. Good Job on raising quality gamefowls.
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    The differences in the appearances of these Lacy's is just an example as to how a breed coming from a single ancestor could change in the hands of a different breeder. A breeder breeds to a certain standard. I am sure the White legged Lacy's we have now throws Yellow legged stuff 20 or 30 years ago but the Yellow legs have been bred out of this line by continously breeding to the White legged side and culling the Yellow legged ones. I love the RH's, i think they are perfect for the LK and i personally own around 7 families of this strain so i guess i am entitled to give an opinion about them as a matter of right. I agree with Ferdie, the Lacy's descended from the Allens, Bruners, or Sheltons which are Yellow legged fowls so from time to time even the "purest" White legged Lacy's will throw a Yellow legged offspring. My Ray Alexander and Gary Gilliam RH's will throw an occasional yellow legs and they seem to be better than the White legged ones. I personally prefer the Yellow legged RH's (Bostons, Allens etc.), they have better ability and athleticism than their White legged counterparts although i also love my WL Lacy's for their cutting ability and smarts. It is all a matter of preference but irregardless of the leg color the bottom line is the W's they put on the board. Hope this helps...

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    Quote Originally Posted by super fly
    The differences in the appearances of these Lacy's is just an example as to how a breed coming from a single ancestor could change in the hands of a different breeder. A breeder breeds to a certain standard. I am sure the White legged Lacy's we have now throws Yellow legged stuff 20 or 30 years ago but the Yellow legs have been bred out of this line by continously breeding to the White legged side and culling the Yellow legged ones. I love the RH's, i think they are perfect for the LK and i personally own around 7 families of this strain so i guess i am entitled to give an opinion about them as a matter of right. I agree with Ferdie, the Lacy's descended from the Allens, Bruners, or Sheltons which are Yellow legged fowls so from time to time even the "purest" White legged Lacy's will throw a Yellow legged offspring. My Ray Alexander and Gary Gilliam RH's will throw an occasional yellow legs and they seem to be better than the White legged ones. I personally prefer the Yellow legged RH's (Bostons, Allens etc.), they have better ability and athleticism than their White legged counterparts although i also love my WL Lacy's for their cutting ability and smarts. It is all a matter of preference but irregardless of the leg color the bottom line is the W's they put on the board. Hope this helps...

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    Quote Originally Posted by super fly
    The differences in the appearances of these Lacy's is just an example as to how a breed coming from a single ancestor could change in the hands of a different breeder. A breeder breeds to a certain standard. I am sure the White legged Lacy's we have now throws Yellow legged stuff 20 or 30 years ago but the Yellow legs have been bred out of this line by continously breeding to the White legged side and culling the Yellow legged ones. I love the RH's, i think they are perfect for the LK and i personally own around 7 families of this strain so i guess i am entitled to give an opinion about them as a matter of right. I agree with Ferdie, the Lacy's descended from the Allens, Bruners, or Sheltons which are Yellow legged fowls so from time to time even the "purest" White legged Lacy's will throw a Yellow legged offspring. My Ray Alexander and Gary Gilliam RH's will throw an occasional yellow legs and they seem to be better than the White legged ones. I personally prefer the Yellow legged RH's (Bostons, Allens etc.), they have better ability and athleticism than their White legged counterparts although i also love my WL Lacy's for their cutting ability and smarts. It is all a matter of preference but irregardless of the leg color the bottom line is the W's they put on the board. Hope this helps...
    super fly, I Agree with you 100%, last 20 May a fund raising derby of
    TAGBA, I fielded 1 pure Carl Davis roundhead, lighter side, was hit 2 times in the head area, but still managed to come back and win the
    fight, this CD roundhead are one of the best cutter and game that I've seen, and I thank Jerry Adkins of Slick Lizard for that...

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    Who is showing the best roundheads today? a link or email would be nice.. Thanks./.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WT AVALON
    super fly, I Agree with you 100%, last 20 May a fund raising derby of
    TAGBA, I fielded 1 pure Carl Davis roundhead, lighter side, was hit 2 times in the head area, but still managed to come back and win the
    fight, this CD roundhead are one of the best cutter and game that I've seen, and I thank Jerry Adkins of Slick Lizard for that...
    Those Carl Davis Lacy's of Jerry are very solid RH's. They have very good station, nice plummage and heavy bones. They are not fancy but they will get the job done. Keep them coming WT Avalon! Reserve a very nice Carl Davis RH pullet for me okay...

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