March 28th, 2004, 11:54 AM
binabaes (female looking gamecocks)
i don't know if this has been already discussed but i'm curious about the fighting cock that looks like a female... i read somewhere that they're called 'hennies' but s in local parlance they're just called 'binabaes'...
i've heard stories of how good some of them are like this person who brought 4 of them in a local derby and being much underestimated by the other competitors as well as the organizers)... he ended up with 4 wins and he won the derby (sorry, i can't recall the details of when and where this happened)...
so why are they good fighters? what's their style? is anyone breeding them here in the philippines? are they good to cross with other bloodlines?
March 28th, 2004, 02:27 PM
I breed what I call " Berdugo girls " which are macho cocks dressed like ladies. IMHO base on experience they normally developed from Asil crosses. The bloodline of my original came to me by accident because the cock that was given to me was a 6 1/2 lbs Blue, after molting that's when he became Henney!
So after winning one fight, I crossed him with a Sweater Grey hen. The Blue was fast fighter but lack the shuffleing type, but the ofsprings were devastading grinding machines.
On the 17th of Feb. I entered two of them & was one of three winners on a 19 entries Derby. Both fought a U.S. imported cock, 1. 6x-Hatch, 2. was from chuck canedy shuffler. The first one is going to live thanks to the help on informations from "The Sabong Friends" on this here site, again friends thank-you all!!, the 2nd died from gut's wound.
I basiclly breed Greys, about 6 or 7 bloodlines. I'm not informed on the origin of the one from Guam, but he is the Father of the Berdugos.
E-mail me if you have any more questions. Hope this helps.
March 29th, 2004, 10:11 PM
most of these hennies are from asil crosses
March 29th, 2004, 11:23 PM
Thanks for verifying my belief that most Hennies are Asil crosses.
It's mind bogging when one gets a henny from crossing a Grey and a red Hatch hen figuring that one would get just about anything and then here come a henny.
As long as they can do the typewriting on the opponent I'm all for it and I don't object as to the dress they wear, as long as they do their job and don't embarassed us by trying to find the way out of the ring before I'm ready. :lol:
Take care and best of luck!!
March 30th, 2004, 12:19 AM
You would be suprised how many famous families of fowl carry a little hennie blood in them. IF you guys get the Gamecock mag you will see a hennie cock on the cover every once in a while. Rick Bohn of CA raises a bit and in one of the issues he said that he has talked to a lot of big breeder. Some told him that eventually they got a hennie out of their strains. One that he mentioned was Ray Alexander. Rick wrote that Ray got one out of his Lacy/Claret cross. So, you never know???? I got one stag that had some hen feathers but i culled him, Maybe i should have kept him just for the hell of it. LOL
March 30th, 2004, 01:01 AM
I have a binabae stag that my handler sparred with another stag. After the first buckle, my binabae came down hard and shuffled the poor thing. The opponent just keeled over and died. When they opened him up, they said his lungs had collapsed. Go figure! Then last week, I had the misfortune of the binabae again having a go with my hatch/lemon two year old. Somehow, they mysteriously escaped from their pens. When we found them, the hatch/lemon had this huge gaping wound in its ear and the throat was enlarged. He had a lot of head wounds. We tried to save him but he died. Bravely I must add. The binabae nary had a wound on him. Could've had haematomas. So does that mean that my binabae is considered a two time winner even without being in the ring and gaffed? :crazy:
March 30th, 2004, 08:06 PM
The idea has been tumbled around the post of Hennies decending from the Asil more or less and you have verified it again when you mentioned that Ray's Lacey cross which is a R.H. is partly asil because of it's oregin.
Also if my recollection serve me right, around the latter part of the 50's & the 60's a lot of breeders injected the asil for the power and should we say ring tactfulness that the orientals pocesses.
The breeders had to keep the crosses high on the stateside bloodlines because of gameness and speed and cutting abilities.
Anyway I would like to know how you came about the one of yours that the few hen feathers.
Now to the person I was wondering if you know him or of him is Felix Wusstig and he had a place called "Guam Ranch" out in Cottonwood. He has past on but he had a lot of kids and I wonder if you've ever heard of them.
Thank you in advance friend and remember I'll help when I can.
March 31st, 2004, 01:25 AM
A friend of mine was up there and i believe he was visiting the very person that you mention. If he raised Toppies that might be him. I will ask him when i talk to him later. As far as the one that i got. He was a Parr Hatch(mclean) and O'Connel Albany cross. Both of these families are pretty old and very inbred. I read the history of the Albany and supposedly some Henny blood was used in the make up. I might have just been something poping up after a long time. These Albany have not had anythin bred into them since they left Albany New York in the late 40's. I dont know if they were just chick feathers, but they looked like hen feathers to me. I'll post again after i ask about your late friend.
March 31st, 2004, 01:30 AM
I myself had a hennie fowl that went to win 4x: 2x in 3 cock
local derbies and 2x in hack fights. He died from a decease that
i was not able to cure quickly enough. Sorry for me!
Anybody around whose got good Hennies that I might be able to
I am interested in acquiring for my breeding program.
Thank you much for any info pardners in this quest.
March 31st, 2004, 07:21 AM
nice hennies !!!
In the big league one can hardly see hennies fighting in the pit but in the small time league specially during hackfights I see them fighting and most of them hennies win their fights.
I am also looking for a good line of hennies for show purposes.
I know that jonjit lopez from iloilo used to breed hennies and that he had a good line ... any informations about this ?
thanks and mabuhay !!!
March 31st, 2004, 04:56 PM
I myself love Hennies. We have our hennies for 15 years now and we never let go of this line. This is the winneingest line we have in our backyard. I have a pyle hennie as my broodcock and it really looks like an asil. He weighs more or less 2.8 kls. When his daughter was accidentally breed back to him, he gave me a very beautiful pure white hennie. Some might say they are not game, but one of my hennies was able to endure ten minutes of fight with an intestine hanging and touching the ground. I have a picture of my hennie broodcock at my gallery but not clear enough. He is more than 5 years old now. In two years time I am planning to enter them in a local derby (Tarlac), so watch out for the entry name, "MANG AAGAW NG LAKAS". They might be release by my kumareng Bakla.
April 7th, 2004, 12:00 PM
fafa baka gusto mong magbenta nang isang inahen. Parati akong dumadaan sa Tarlac patungo hilaga, baka puwede dumaan sa manokan mo. Salamat!!!:wow:
April 8th, 2004, 03:09 PM
RICK BOHN'S FARM
CALIFORNIA GAMEFARM' HOME OF THE HEN COCK' 16361 MT. WHITNEY, FIDDLETOWN,CA 95629 TEL# 209-245-6033
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April 8th, 2004, 07:23 PM
fafa baka gusto mong magbenta nang isang inahen. Parati akong dumadaan sa Tarlac patungo hilaga, baka puwede dumaan sa manokan mo. Salamat!!!
Fafa Boolick, iisa lang ang inahin namin ngayon sa manukan, a white binabae. Next season magpapalabas kami ng pure white binabae. I will try to mate brother-sister, parehong white ang kulay. Pinapakatay ko kasi lahat ng binabae pullets. We have few stags and bullstags though. I am not sure if my uncle will let go one of our binabaes. Puede kang dumaan doon sa manukan anytime. Tagba has just finished banding my stags and surprisingly, as soon as they saw my hennies on the cords, hindi daw kasali sa banding yung mga binabae. I don't know what's there reason. Baka maagaw ang lakas ng mga stags nila sa laban, hehehe.
April 9th, 2004, 07:37 AM
November 22nd, 2004, 11:32 PM
dai baka maaring malaman ang direksyon kung paano pumunta sa farm mo mula sa mcarthur at iyung telephono nang tito mo upang dumalaw naman at makita ang mga puting binabae nyo. hindi ako nakadaan noon gawa nang mga ibang priyoridad. pero libre na ako ngayon at ganadong ganado na makita ang mga binabae na iyun. salamat pre! oo nga pala, kailangan na maglinis ka nang kahon mo sa pm at punong puno na daw iyun. ingats!!!
November 22nd, 2004, 11:34 PM
hmmmm...hennie pullet.... its hard to tell isn't it :zippo:
November 23rd, 2004, 06:17 AM
got 2 strains of the hennie before. now down to only one. but the first one still have offsprings left in the farm. both were derby winners but one lost it's 2nd derby fight w/ just a mere 5 days interval in the hands of a friend. the pre-potent hennie broodcock i have is in my gallery. i'll import it later for posting here.
November 23rd, 2004, 06:53 AM
Beware of Rick bohn California gamefarm
I bought a Pure hennie stag from Rick Bohn ( California Gamefarm) and paid $300 for it and he send me his dunghill blue asil that is wing and leg banded by him and when I called him up about it he said that my shipper might have switched it with another fowl. I have shipped from this shipper lots of times and over 50 fowls already from the top breeders here in the US and this is the first time that this ever happened and I know that my shipper will not do such a thing its because I have proven his great service time and time again and he is highly respectable and very trust worthy. I told Rick bohn that there is no way my shipper will do this kind of thing that he is claiming but he still insisted that he send me a pure hennie stag and never over to replace the one he send me even if he already knows he send me a wrong fowl. he probably think that people there in PI are stupid and doesnt know the difference between an asil and a hennie. Rick Bohn (California Gamefarm) is crooked, a liar and he will scam you. So beware of Rick Bohn ( California gamefarm). If you want good pure Hennies get it from Jerry Hughes (Hughes game farm) or Terry Roberts and never deal with Rick Bohn the crook.
here is the picture of the dunghill asil stag that he send me that supposed to be a pure hennie stag. You ll be the judge
November 23rd, 2004, 07:12 AM
have Hennies from Rick since 90's. the pure ones are really dunghils because they are very close inbred. you just mix them with hatch to get the proper gameness. you can't fight them pure but if you have the brown or black hennies you can cross the blues & fight pure hennie feathered.
if you don't like your blue hennie, can you sell it to me?
if you have all the papers i would like to see it. can you scan it for me & after i will view the papers & please include the wingband number or the leg band i will decide then if i will buy it.
and also how much for it?
hennie as a stag some are long feathered & when they moult as cock most of them will turned al hennie feathered.
November 23rd, 2004, 07:31 AM
Check your mail box
November 23rd, 2004, 07:42 AM
you are correct with rich bohn. he is a crooked !!!!!!!!!
never again deal with this guy !!!!!!! even he's fellow american's
told us not to buy birds from this RB.
November 23rd, 2004, 07:53 AM
i've had an offspring of the richard bohn hennie from a good friend and it was good for me. tall, rugged, muscle-bound hennie from a hatch mating. i just haven't recovered the picture yet so i can't show you at the moment. attached is the picture of my favorite island born hennie from guam. one time derby winner, one time hacks. have had some good hennie offsprings from him.
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November 23rd, 2004, 09:21 AM
The way I see it.....
I guess from my experience that blue asil in the pic of Danny's is NOT a Hennie.
We will never know the exact origins of the Hennie Fowl, but if you read accounts of some of the great old breeders of Hennies, they believe that they were a seperate and stand alone breed of wild jungle fowl from the sub-continent of Asia. Whatever their origins, they were readily hand carried by Englishmen to the British Isles probably starting as early as 250 to 300 years ago.
The Hennie was then also exported to Ireland and Spain, where the locals mixed and bred some of their own local fowl into the bloodlines to develop their own breeds of Hennies.
So, where does that leave us today? Hennies in the USA and the Philippines can basically trace their way to three basic places of origin. England, Ireland or Spain. (This not counting the original source of the Asian Subcontinent) Americans have mixed and matched these strains some more and come up with some wonderful fowl. Very game.
You may get a hennie thrown out of what is considered "pure" fowl sometimes, I guess these are throwbacks to a dash of this or a dash of that blood someplace along the way.
Just recently I had a Hennie Stag thrown out of my Cuban Blue. I hope to be able to show you some pictures of him come January. Why? I don't know, but this stag is not a "Hennie" per say, he just looks like one. Lets make the point that there is a breed called Hennie, and then there are some cocks from other bloodlines that look like hens. Does that make sense? I don't know!
Hennies do not fight like Asils, at least none that I have ever had. While the Asil choses his moment and single punches (in MOST cases) the Hennie chooses his moment and goes in close and powerful. The most cherished quality of the Hennie is their ability to cut. They are amazingly powerful fowl in their proper form and are very deep cutters. Hennies generally are medium stationed and have a very, very wide chest.
One of my close Filipino friends told me that some older (and maybe younger) Filipino Sabungeros will fight a Hennie in order to stop a streak of bad luck in the pit. I guess that is an old superstition, but if this is true, then the Hennie must have some merit to be able to stop a losing streak!
My Brown Hennie Cock
November 23rd, 2004, 08:57 PM
i really like the hennies power & speed.
November 25th, 2004, 08:15 PM
November 25th, 2004, 11:27 PM
I wonder who you got the Hennie bird that you're showing cause it's a good looking one. Being from Guam I really would like to know cause I go there once in a while,I might know the breeder. One of my friends that breeds Hennies is Mr. Paulting. Did you get it from him? My E-mail addr: firstname.lastname@example.org
. El Espanol
Your hennie stag you mention came out from your Cuban Blue,I have a broodcock, a Cuban Blue X Thailand Asil that I crossed with Sweater grey and got the Hennies,some greys,some red or brown.
I also got some hennies from crossing my Sweater grey broodcock with my Thailand hen. This is the one I posted before that lost his wing(one) due to poison tare and which I'm very greatful to the Brothers in Sabong.com for their help so that my hennie only lost a wing & not his life. In case you don't know the facts, it aws matched with a stateside imported-6X winner-hatch which was 3 ozs. more heavy. the Hatch came the Hennie buckle shufflening ,billhold and sit down shufflening until the hatch was dead. the only cut was a poke about 2"s in from the tip of the wing but the meat on the wing got rotten overnight so in the morning no more wing,just bones.
The statement I'm making here sir is that even though my hennie is half Thailand Asil,he fought more like a Sweater Hatch.
His two brothers fought the same way,both win but die from a gut wounds.Both got cut when they were sitting down shuffleing,their tare were at the Kilikili while the opponent's were cutting the guts.
I will not say my hennies are hennie breed but for all intent and purposes they are hennies, I even had two streight comb while all the others are peacomb,all wearing ladies feathers,all had short feathers around the neck. Also all my other birds try to make love to them.
Hope my short experiences with hennies helps somebody?
November 26th, 2004, 01:03 AM
Bert my man.........
Cool, sounds like you have some awesome fowl.
I have had many, ,many "Hennie Like Cocks" kicked out of my Cubans and Asils throughout the years. As a matter of fact, I used to breed Asil/Jerezano grades just to try and produce some hennie like cocks years ago. I was rather successful too.
I guess what I meant to say is that there is a breed of fowl, not unlike any others that we commonly know by their generic names such as "Kelso", "Hatch"......etc, that are known as "Hennies".
I am not an expert, but I do know from reading historical accounts that the Hennie has been around for a very long time in their original form.
This is to say that if you brood 1,000 Kelsos and you produce two Hennies, you could likewise breed Hennies and produce two streaming tailed roosters out of 1,000.
Personally, I see the Hennie cock as one of pure inside cutting power. This is the trait most sought by the breeder of the Hennie as we know them today. Good in any heel and game to the bone.
I hope those damn snakes there in Guam don't eat your chicks sir.
November 26th, 2004, 02:18 AM
I was replying to your statements when I lost my connection and couldn't get back my dial tone to redial.
As I was starting to say thank you for your thoughtfulness concerning the snakes and the chicks but my understanding from the folks in Guam is that the hens are sometimes in danger too.
Anyway I live in Saipan now and this is where I'm breeding now no longer in Guam, I just got the Thailand Asil for a friend in Guam as a matter of fact my friend has already gone to the beyond. May the Good Lord take good care of him.
The former were the hens but I also got the Spanish X with the Thailand Asil from another friend. It's a red bodied w/blue bottom.
I also picked up from another friend in California a large hen about 6lbs and 8ozs ( Brazilian Asil),did this back in the year 2000. This hen would fight any rooster I put in with her now. when she first arrived I put her in with Guam Sweater grey and she produced very few but one of them was a hennie.the two were separated when molting season came and now I can only mate her with what supposed to be a brown red-hennie acording to the breeder.
By the way, isn't great to have friends all my broodstock were free except my Red Fox grey and Johnny Jumper grey which I paid $15 Us for each from another friend in California.
Right now I have 8 hennie birds 3-black,4-greys & 1-red in my yard.
Too long as is,so until later!
November 26th, 2004, 08:07 AM
r ickc , goldendragon I personally like the hennie , I bought eggs from r. bonh 4years ago and send to Phil. to my friend . This guy came out with a winning line and always fastest kill . Last two years ago I ask 3 rooster and 4 hens , the 3 rooster i give it to my friend in San rafael Bulacan. I was suprised because he entered it in a derby paired it to nene abello 's rooster. The 3 rooster won on different ocassion, he personally want the hens but igive it to my friend in Meycauwayan Bulacan. This coming Jan 8 all the offsfring out of 4 hennie hens cross to imptd. sweater wil be entered in 3cock derby in Bustos Bul. lets see what will happen. This is the winning line cross hennie hen cross to local rooster(boodline ?). Offsfring rooster (hennie) cross to imptd. albany and local lemon , the result awesome fighting machine.