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    Hello fellow cock mates, ive sat and wondered what the world would be like if cockfighting was still legal in the usa. Do all of you think that breeders of today and yesterday would be selling their fowl like they are today? Would most fowl be unobtainable since most breeders would still be showing. Please post your replies and comments and state what you all think the cockfighting world would be like if it was still legal in the usa or if everything would be like it is today? Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by gcardinal03 View Post
    Hello fellow cock mates, ive sat and wondered what the world would be like if cockfighting was still legal in the usa. Do all of you think that breeders of today and yesterday would be selling their fowl like they are today? Would most fowl be unobtainable since most breeders would still be showing. Please post your replies and comments and state what you all think the cockfighting world would be like if it was still legal in the usa or if everything would be like it is today? Thank you
    Some cockfighters saw it coming, banned in the US, that is. Others naively stubborn and burried their heads in the sand when dark clouds were starting to build up..no one even bothered making a shed. And when it rained, it poured. It was doomed.

    The good thing that it had brought to the sport was that it de-centralise the operation. To a select well glued stubborn group(s), it was forced to open its doors and let the chickens out..to ensure its survival. Contrasting during the hayday of US cockfighting where a feather is lined up for head count, it would be unimaginable the numbers of chickens flying over the fence today. I say, another man's misfortune is another man's opportunity, harsh but true.

    The main observation remains, the poorer the country -the more prolific is cockfighting. There will be no first world (developed)country that will openly legalise and patronise cockfighting. A bittersweet Philippine experience....but nonetheless a bitter after-taste for Uncle Sam. There is in fact something good coming out from America...there is indeed. I say long live the infidels..hehehe. kidding

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    In my opinion the only reason cockfighting is illegal in the USA is because the gambling was never taxed. The cockpits were always organized as "recreational clubs" or "sportsman clubs" . The gambling was all untaxed. I think older fraternity members overlooked this and this was cockfighting's downfall. Its a shame because many of the older generation were men of power and influence who could have taken the proper steps to protect the sport. If you think Uncle Sam cares about the life and well being of little chickens, you are mistaken. America has bigger problems. What they care about is money, as long as Uncle Sam gets his cut then everything is good. If the gambling was taxed, no amount of pressure from the animaniacs could stop us. Guam, Saipan, Puerto Rico are all us territories yet cockfighting is legal there. Do you think its because America cares about preserving culture? Of course not, its because Uncle Sam gets his share from the action thats why he lets it continue.

    If cockfighting was legal in the USA today, we would have Copperstate live on ESPN and nike would make gaffs hehehehe.

    On another note, in the Philippines during the Spanish era, many intellectuals thought of cockfighting as vice more dangerous than opium as it kept the people poor and in debt, yet it was never banned but in fact encouraged and given structure cause the Spanish government saw it as a steady form of income. Lo and behold cockfighting has grown into a billion peso industry, the Philippine government could not afford to ban it if they wanted to.

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    There are some laws that might be getting overturned. The USA is hurting for money is all I can say on the subject.

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    There will be no first world (developed)country that will openly legalise and patronise cockfighting.


    France, Spain, and now we come to defining first world country. Being American we are seeing the Asian base countries and Brick countries developing at a level far greater than anywhere else in the world. With the majority of them legal or lets say not illegal.

    While the US and European countries are declining at a faster rate than they are expanding. So to your obeservation I believe it will be a false statement especially in 10 years. There does seem to be some colation between England influence countries. Seems whereever they have been or claimed seems to end up illegal.

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    I just hope you guys put a law in place or write it in your constitution like Puerto Rico did, so that later when they come to take your sport, and your culture you'll have a fighting chance. Learn from the mistakes the United States made and don't do them yourself. Remember the animal rights people have lots of money they can come and write your politicians a few checks and they'll ruin it for all of you.

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    Sir tonio, I think you wrong about not paying taxes to the government, in Kentucky they pay taxes there, but those humane society still make it illegal for cockfighting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OR GALLO View Post
    I just hope you guys put a law in place or write it in your constitution like Puerto Rico did, so that later when they come to take your sport, and your culture you'll have a fighting chance. Learn from the mistakes the United States made and don't do them yourself. Remember the animal rights people have lots of money they can come and write your politicians a few checks and they'll ruin it for all of you.
    Mates I'll guarantee to you cockfighting will never be stop in the Philippines, if it happens! You can call Philippines the new united states....we know how to protect our culture so nothing to worry...money can't stop cockfighting and pi. im calling out John Goodwin to come out in pi and stop the cockfighting there, like what he be doing here in the states, let see what happen, he might get euthanize there...lol..

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    He would for sure get a bullet,Not nice but a fact of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irvin88 View Post
    Mates I'll guarantee to you cockfighting will never be stop in the Philippines, if it happens! You can call Philippines the new united states....we know how to protect our culture so nothing to worry...money can't stop cockfighting and pi. im calling out John Goodwin to come out in pi and stop the cockfighting there, like what he be doing here in the states, let see what happen, he might get euthanize there...lol..
    Cockfighting is the cultural sport in the P.I. that has been inculcated in the minds of Filipinos at the early stage of our lives. Anywhere you go from Batanes down to Tawi-Tawi, people love this sport as part of their lives. Any move to illegalize this sport would never materialize and it is suicidal on the part of the Animal Group. (it does not matter if it is not in the Constitution).

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    Re: If cockfighting was legal in USA

    Is our present law governing cockfighting not enough to protect it?





    MALACAŅANG
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    PRESIDENTIAL DECREE No. 449 May 9, 1974
    COCKFIGHTING LAW OF 1974
    WHEREAS, cockfighting has been and still is a popular, traditional and customary form of recreation and entertainment among Filipinos during legal holidays, local fiestas, agricultural, commercial and industrial fairs, carnivals or expositions;
    WHEREAS, by reason of the aforestated meaning and connotation of cockfighting in relation to filipino customs and traditions, it should neither be exploited as an object of commercialism or business enterprise, nor made a tool of uncontrolled gambling, but more as a vehicle for the preservation and perpetuation of native Filipino heritage and thereby enhance our national identity.
    NOW, THEREFORE, I, FERDINAND E. MARCOS, President of the Philippines, by virtue of the powers vested in me by the Constitution, do hereby decree and order to be part of the laws of the land, the following:
    Sec 1. Title. This Decree shall be known as the "Cockfighting Law of 1974".
    Section 2. Scope. This law shall govern the establishment, operation, maintenance and ownership of cockpits.
    Section 3. Declaration of Policy. It is hereby declared a policy of the government to insure within the framework of the New Society maximum development and promotion of wholesome recreation and amusement to bring about the following goals:

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    Continuation.....sorry the text is to long. Here is the link to view the whole text. Our constitution was amended and not sure if this provision are still there because it was created as decree during martial law.


    http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/pres..._449_1974.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by irvin88 View Post
    Sir tonio, I think you wrong about not paying taxes to the government, in Kentucky they pay taxes there, but those humane society still make it illegal for cockfighting...
    How do they pay taxes on the gambling? In the US there is no center bet, no plasada. All bets are called out side. The house takes nothing therefore the state takes nothing too.

    Maybe the breeders who sell fowl pay their taxes. But I am talking about the taxing the gambling like it is done here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonio View Post
    How do they pay taxes on the gambling? In the US there is no center bet, no plasada. All bets are called out side. The house takes nothing therefore the state takes nothing too.

    Maybe the breeders who sell fowl pay their taxes. But I am talking about the taxing the gambling like it is done here.
    Sir tonio I'm not here to argue with you, but anyway when it was still legal they pay taxes to the state of Kentucky....i hope someone here could explain to you, how it became illegal to fight rooster in the state of Kentucky...

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    Re: If cockfighting was legal in USA

    all the comments and feedback are wonderful thanks for everyones insight! anybody else care to add to these remarks of our fellow cockers.

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    Continuation.....sorry the text is to long. Here is the link to view the whole text. Our constitution was amended and not sure if this provision are still there because it was created as decree during martial law.


    http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/pres..._449_1974.html
    Sir I believe it is still there if not then why are there still raids on illegal tupada? and what's stopping the animal rights if there is no such law exciting?

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    I have written several articles on the internet, if you'll punch in "cockfighting the religion" just google that and should give you a fresh ideal on how cockfighting should have been protected under the US Constitution. The first cockfighting event i witnessed at age 8 years and the last one i witnessed some years ago, spanning some 40 years in between allows me to recognise that as an age old ritual, nothing has ever changed about the event in thousands of years, the only change has been the fact that a special interest group was allowed to control the opinion of the majority.
    A politician is a very elusive and evasive type creature, what happened with the cockfighting was that nobody recognised that it was right or wrong, just that a group wanted it stopped and had alot of money!!! The other side of the story was that a smaller group wanted it to continue and had very little money!! The American people did not care either way as a whole, so the group that had the most money wins!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico31 View Post
    Sir I believe it is still there if not then why are there still raids on illegal tupada? and what's stopping the animal rights if there is no such law exciting?

    I hope this decree are still in our present constitution.
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    Urban America wiped out the rights of Rural America is what happend. Humane Society and other animal rights fanatics knew they couldnt win a war against rural America but they took thier agenda into the inner cities and brainwashed them ignorant folks about cocking and other animal programs. They raised millions of dollars from city people and then went on a spending binge buying politicians votes to thier way of thinking. In every state that made cocking illegal, the rural citizens voted to keep it but the city folks voted it out. And since the majority of people live in Urban America they won!!! The Farmer, the cocker and others who dealt with animals are being made extinct without the urbanites realzing what they are contributing too. They think they are saving animals and fowl for some wonderful life when in reality they are helping destroy and exterminate these wonderful creatures that have been on this planet since God created it and them..

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishcutt View Post
    Urban America wiped out the rights of Rural America is what happend. Humane Society and other animal rights fanatics knew they couldnt win a war against rural America but they took thier agenda into the inner cities and brainwashed them ignorant folks about cocking and other animal programs. They raised millions of dollars from city people and then went on a spending binge buying politicians votes to thier way of thinking. In every state that made cocking illegal, the rural citizens voted to keep it but the city folks voted it out. And since the majority of people live in Urban America they won!!! The Farmer, the cocker and others who dealt with animals are being made extinct without the urbanites realzing what they are contributing too. They think they are saving animals and fowl for some wonderful life when in reality they are helping destroy and exterminate these wonderful creatures that have been on this planet since God created it and them..
    I have to agree with you 100%.
    The census figures for 1920 demonstrated for the first time that more Americans lived in cities than in the rural countryside. It has been down hill ever since, urban people have little knowledge of country living or culture yet have no problem ramming their values down our throats.



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    Re: If cockfighting was legal in USA

    so what measures would have to be taken to make it legal agin in the usa? is it possible? or only a dream?

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    First is to find a Lawyer which specializes in Culture and Tradition law practices.
    Consult with him and see how much he charges for his time.

    Doing it on your own or without any guidance is just a waste of time and money.
    Spend some money and find the guy who knows the system. That is the only way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gallo1 View Post
    so what measures would have to be taken to make it legal agin in the usa? is it possible? or only a dream?
    If we can get one state back, it will change the ball game. It would be step by step from there. It is a dream right now but it is possible.

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    If cock fighting were still legal in the usa ,I would still sell good birds but never my best. I'm waiting for the day I can afford to go to the P.I. and spend some time seeing what my birds are really worth. To me my best are better than they were and thats what makes me feel so bad about them only being in the bush....my computer is so slow this will be out of date when it arrives....

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    I remeber the good times at the sportsmans club with noel and tommy, it breaks my heart to think about it...

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    I think there would be a lot more selling if it was made legal aging in just one state. There would be a lot of people who would come back to the game also. I hope we can get it to turn back our way and start to legalize it. But I think it will ultimately come down to money and how much revenue a state can receive from it. Honestyl it could be a very large amount...if done right very possibly over the million mark each year for the state. I think they would start to listen to that.

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    It would be great if we could get at least one state to legalize it. The question is, which state would we focus on if we had a lawyer.? Then how do we come up with the money?? I remember when cockers were donating money to pay for a lawyer back in new mexico. Wish it could go back to the way things were.

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    If you had to go for one state... I would say either one that was not illegal that long ago like New Mexico, Oklahoma, Arizona or... You go with some place like Texas. The reason i say Texas i would venture to say, has the most cock fighters still in its boarders today. With a very large population of Hispanic and being a big part of their culture. I also believe it was very close to getting passed not all that long ago. As far as a Lawyer it would have to take a lot of donations...and it would come down to no demanding things and fighting, but going in with the attitude of look what we can do for you and this great state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugarcreek View Post
    There will be no first world (developed)country that will openly legalise and patronise cockfighting.


    France, Spain, and now we come to defining first world country. Being American we are seeing the Asian base countries and Brick countries developing at a level far greater than anywhere else in the world. With the majority of them legal or lets say not illegal.

    While the US and European countries are declining at a faster rate than they are expanding. So to your obeservation I believe it will be a false statement especially in 10 years. There does seem to be some colation between England influence countries. Seems whereever they have been or claimed seems to end up illegal.
    Thanks for highlighting my statement by quoting it.

    Yes, although it is true economies shifted a bit favouring Asia, it might take more the 10 years to see a more level global economis status. Cockfighting , shall I dare say, is doomed in countries that are going to do well. In the Philippines economic case, it might take a hundred lifetimes, heavens help us. Pinoys are safe in that aspect.

    France and Spain have regions where cockfights happens but they are too small to make it to the headlines on paper, nor take the politicians interest.

    Your observation is true in regard to former English empire nations who took on the banning quite readily. But it is the country's economy that is the biggest factor in cockfighting do or die status, and not the English speaking economies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico31 View Post
    Sir I believe it is still there if not then why are there still raids on illegal tupada? and what's stopping the animal rights if there is no such law exciting?
    Like any law, there are condition set forth to guide the citzenry. It becomes illegal when these parameters are breached. Read the mentioned law and how tupadas can be labelled illegal. To make the long story short, you may cross the road with care but please use the pedestrian lane...if not then you are jay walking.

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