the goode greys have been around this area since the sixty's. I've heard stories about them all my life. I grew up just down the street from both of them. i talked to someone today that was an associate of Jay's, he fed a lot of cocks for him. Some of this story I have heard before, but he filled in the gaps. First Joe's most famous line. the " Big Pen " Greys. Gene Oswell bred this yard for Joe. the cock was a frost from Owen mcguiness, the hens were Hatch x Kelso. they had two of these frost cocks, both brothers. one was called the tall cock and the other was slip billed. they bred the tall cock the first year, but lost him. Gene and Joe split the stags, they both got 17 apiece. joe didn't like them and sold his..Gene kept his to cocks and Joe fought them, they were the cutting-est devils you have ever seen, won several big derbies. they bred the slip bill and his were just as good.
Jay's were frost that Bobby Joe manziel had both from frost. Johnny Dodd and Bobby went and picked up the birds. Johnny Dodd was from Waco and some how kin to Bobby Joe. Jay got two frost cocks from Bobby Joe. henry wortham told jay if they had a F tatooed in the wing they were the good ones. sure enough they did. I always wondered what Jay used on the hen side if he only got two frost cocks. Jays friend said that Jay got a hen from Johnny Dodd that was from the frost brood pens. they called her "mama Dodd Hen". this was the start of Jay's Frost.