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    Goode Greys

    the goode greys have been around this area since the sixty's. I've heard stories about them all my life. I grew up just down the street from both of them. i talked to someone today that was an associate of Jay's, he fed a lot of cocks for him. Some of this story I have heard before, but he filled in the gaps. First Joe's most famous line. the " Big Pen " Greys. Gene Oswell bred this yard for Joe. the cock was a frost from Owen mcguiness, the hens were Hatch x Kelso. they had two of these frost cocks, both brothers. one was called the tall cock and the other was slip billed. they bred the tall cock the first year, but lost him. Gene and Joe split the stags, they both got 17 apiece. joe didn't like them and sold his..Gene kept his to cocks and Joe fought them, they were the cutting-est devils you have ever seen, won several big derbies. they bred the slip bill and his were just as good.
    Jay's were frost that Bobby Joe manziel had both from frost. Johnny Dodd and Bobby went and picked up the birds. Johnny Dodd was from Waco and some how kin to Bobby Joe. Jay got two frost cocks from Bobby Joe. henry wortham told jay if they had a F tatooed in the wing they were the good ones. sure enough they did. I always wondered what Jay used on the hen side if he only got two frost cocks. Jays friend said that Jay got a hen from Johnny Dodd that was from the frost brood pens. they called her "mama Dodd Hen". this was the start of Jay's Frost.

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    interesting, so joe goode is frost gary with hatch kelso. and jay goode is frost gray?

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    if that is true, is the hulsey gray the joe goode gray?

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    Quote Originally Posted by supremo54 View Post
    owen mcginnis used to breed gamefowl for duke hulsey,right?
    and those were the lemons that were brought by duke to the philippines.....bred by owen
    Owen bred for both of them. I believe Duke first , then Joe. there was a falling out because of this. The fowl might be related, but not quite the same. I remember a ad from Owen stating that Joe was his partner.

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    Mike question was the Kelso on the hen side the one,s Joe called the Pepse blood

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    from what i hear, the kelso blood came from paul goode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundogkennel View Post
    from what i hear, the kelso blood came from paul goode.
    I believe that they got Kelso fowl twice from Mr. Kelso. Paul was the money man and got what ever Joe wanted. The Peepsies were so named from a young Kelso that Joe got. As Joe was bringing him home he peeped all the way in the car, thus the Peepsies.

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    I remember that it was Sweater who told Jay to look under the wing of the Frost cock if so it would be one of the good ones because it was he that put that tattoo when he worked for Frost

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    Quote Originally Posted by INCUBUS06 View Post
    I remember that it was Sweater who told Jay to look under the wing of the Frost cock if so it would be one of the good ones because it was he that put that tattoo when he worked for Frost
    You could be right, I wanted to say Sweater, but thought my memory was wrong. If someone could come up with Jay's article it would tell. I do know Jay said the first really good chickens they got were from Wortham.

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    Re: Goode Greys

    who had the better grays. joe or jay?

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    In the article in Gamecock Magazine, in it Jay states he had the Frost Greys and Kelso blood lines. He stated that these two lines are all he had and needed. He crossed them together to make his lines. He got the Frost from Bobby Manziel and got the Kelso lines direct from Kelso himself. Thats what Jay said in the interview..

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    Re: Goode Greys

    Thought this would be a "Goode" addition to the thread


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    nice photo!!! did they ever had a main? if so who won?

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    Here is something that a lot of people did not know!!!
    I know for a fact that Joe bought a lot of rooster from Jay and gave him a good price for them! A lot of people did not know this and show you the type of person Jay was never took any credit for it either! when Jay told you something you could take it to the bank as being the truth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey Rooster View Post
    Here is something that a lot of people did not know!!!
    I know for a fact that Joe bought a lot of rooster from Jay and gave him a good price for them! A lot of people did not know this and show you the type of person Jay was never took any credit for it either! when Jay told you something you could take it to the bank as being the truth!
    Jay ran an ad in "Gamecock" stating " I let my brother Joe Goode have 20 of these grey cocks-1/2grey1/2 Kelso, he won 42 fights and lost 7 and 1 draw."

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    Here is something about the make up of the Frost Greys
    Sam Bigham was fighting the Hale Brothers a main in Texas
    Sam Raised Sweather and at the time Sweater was working for Pete Frost in Houston, Tx Sam called and ask Sweater to help him,, he asked Mr Frost and Mr Frost said to stay out of it because he was friends with both of them! Now you have to understand Sam and the Hale brothers did not like each other period!!
    Sweather told Sam what Mr Frost said and that pissed him off!!!
    well they started fighting the main and Sam showed a red stay that was a good one!!!
    Sweater meet Sam as he came of the pit with this rooster and ask to feel him Sweater got him in is hand and said the only way to get this rooster back was to take him!! Sam hit him in the nose this is how Sweater got the bent nose but keep the stag and took him to Mr Frost house and breed him to regular grey hen and this was the start of the Frost Grey! The stag was 1/2 claret 1/2 Roundhead or Bigham Red
    Now if Jay was alive he could verfy this as he was there with his brother in fact! so of the blood got on Jay shirt! I was very young at the time but remember this! but did not know this what Sweater used to make the Frost Grey until Jay told me.

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    Re: Goode Greys

    Hey Slip, Was Ed Hicks related to your mentor??

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    If he was, it was never mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slipspur View Post
    If he was, it was never mentioned.
    Does he look like him? ....LOL

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    this is a really good story about frost grey very interesting.... i like history wishing more to come out...thank you mike everett for brought out this topic.
    Last edited by beecoolman; January 26th, 2011 at 06:48 AM.

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    Re: Goode Greys

    Real good stuff here. Being in this great sport only 7 years, i love to hear the history of all these great cockers. If anyone has anymore great stories, please post them. FIS Tommy

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    Re: Goode Greys

    but who has the best goode greys now?

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    Re: Goode Greys

    Up...up... on best breeders of goode grey now

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    Re: Goode Greys

    Anyone got grey trios for sale? Or that would like to trade trios??

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAZEERA View Post
    but who has the best goode greys now?
    What out for the new crosses of Sonny Lagon, Joe goode greys over his famous Sweaters......

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    Re: Goode Greys

    Hey Mike Do u know any info on the yellow legged goode grey?

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    I think that would be a nice cross try it before bruce over goode greys nice cross good cutting and speed..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonio View Post
    Thought this would be a "Goode" addition to the thread

    I really like this picture a lot of history between the two

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    Since we are talking About the "Goode Greys" anyone have any info about the goode greys from Ben Kempfer of Windyhill gamefarm?? Any info please as they are very ni e looking fowl and Ben is a good guy to talk with but I would like to hear from someone who has them or has seen them firsthand??

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    i have them from Ben. i like them so far got a 3 month old trio in march of 2011 pic is in my gallery of the stag. they all have great bodies and look great both my hens are setting right now breed pure so time will tell.

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