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    (4) type droppings,, The first type that comes out is the usual solid but soft greenish dropping. It is usually capped with whitish creamy stuff. This means that there is still feed in the gut of the cock. This will decrease in size each time the cock dumps his waste. The second type is the cecal dropping, which is characterized by its brownish sticky form. It is smelly and chocolaty. As the cock continues to expel his droppings, as in the first type, the cecal droppings will also decrease in size. It will also be observed that some whitish thick liquid will start to increase in size. These belong to the third type of droppings: the urate droppings. These are creamy white in appearance, sometimes bubbly, and the consistency is like melted vanilla ice cream. Again, like the other types of droppings, as time goes on, the cock will continue to pass urate droppings in decreasing size until the last possible one. At this point, the rooster is gut empty and if conditioned right, is on its peak. Afterwards, the bird will excrete moisture droppings. These look like clear but thick liquid, similar to raw egg white in consistency, or clear sinus liquid when one is having colds. Unlike the first three, this type of droppings increases in size as time goes on. Once moisture droppings come out, it is a clear indication the cock is already “off” and is already past his point.

    The previous coming from the famous Joe Goode methods, this is classic "how i was taught" and about as accurate as shooting down a hawk with a 22 rifle,,,,. This is a classic sign of being "dehydrated" nothing to do with "on point" or "off point" after the first three decrease and you go into this you had the bird no where near point to start with,,Sorry Joe, you just did not know!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownred kelso View Post
    (4) type droppings,, The first type that comes out is the usual solid but soft greenish dropping. It is usually capped with whitish creamy stuff. This means that there is still feed in the gut of the cock. This will decrease in size each time the cock dumps his waste. The second type is the cecal dropping, which is characterized by its brownish sticky form. It is smelly and chocolaty. As the cock continues to expel his droppings, as in the first type, the cecal droppings will also decrease in size. It will also be observed that some whitish thick liquid will start to increase in size. These belong to the third type of droppings: the urate droppings. These are creamy white in appearance, sometimes bubbly, and the consistency is like melted vanilla ice cream. Again, like the other types of droppings, as time goes on, the cock will continue to pass urate droppings in decreasing size until the last possible one. At this point, the rooster is gut empty and if conditioned right, is on its peak. Afterwards, the bird will excrete moisture droppings. These .........., it is a clear indication the cock is already “off” and is already past his point.

    The previous coming from the famous Joe Goode methods, this is classic "how i was taught" and about as accurate as shooting down a hawk with a 22 rifle,,,,. This is a classic sign of being "dehydrated" nothing to do with "on point" or "off point" after the first three decrease and you go into this you had the bird no where near point to start with,,Sorry Joe, you just did not know!!
    Nice posting sir Brownred Kelso, can you give me some point on how to extend the peak of the chicken or it is possible to maintain the peak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by julius aparicio View Post
    Nice posting sir Brownred Kelso, can you give me some point on how to extend the peak of the chicken or it is possible to maintain the peak?
    The facts are, turtles, swine and gamefowl all share a common tread, they have two kinds of meat white meat and dark meat. Now most people being smarter than myself could name others who knows!! I started out researching and doing a compare of the three, which ended in near failure but some of the feeds could be useful, plus alot of the medications for swine really work excellent for gamefowl. Once i even attended a siminar from a zoologist pertaining to the Sea turtle, even experimented with seasalts during the conditioning process,,,,,,tried it all.....
    Yes, the key to extending the point is extending the period of HYDRATION, the moment a bird starts to dehydrate, all hell breaks loose,,,,,stress,,,heart rate increases,,,,blood sugar drops,,,,now, once you're fully dydrated on one side you're got to worrie about dehydrated or hydrated on the other because the quills in the feathers can be a two way street,,, thats right a catch 22,,,,,so you've got to stop this feather transmission long enough to empty up, hold point and maintain a consistent level of performance and the limit of "point" is about 24 proven hours after that you're back to average levels of performance for a 7 day minimum......

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    this is where i disagree with you bk...the last three droppings are serious signs of stress,maltreatment,starvation, and abused... where do you go from there? how fast can you recover what they have lost already...if it takes an hour for viagra to make your cock on point...what miracle can pellets, cracked corn, and egg whites do in minutes before a fight...

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    You crack me up man, I was beginning to enjoy BRK's narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kogmohon View Post
    this is where i disagree with you bk...the last three droppings are serious signs of stress,maltreatment,starvation, and abused... Where do you go from there? How fast can you recover what they have lost already...if it takes an hour for viagra to make your cock on point...what miracle can pellets, cracked corn, and egg whites do in minutes before a fight...
    i'm speechless, tell us everything you know in 2000 words or less,, you have the floor!!!!!

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    Just got a "PM" the fella has never won before and he's going for all the marbles now, he just wanted to stop and thank me for all the help,,,,,guess he's thanking me,,i sure wouldn't have stopped to post something on this darn thang,,,lol
    The other fella had mentioned giving the roosters viagra,,don't wanna do that,,, makes em stiff,,, can't fight a lick like that,,,,,

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    eh mga sir kung ulutan ang laban, laging mahaba ang pila bago kayo mapalaban, paano nyo maimaintain ang pagiging ON ng manok.baguhan lang ho.

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    beginners need to read this post it is exactly right.good info for them brk.

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    yep this is the best explanation on droppings I have ever read and best way to describe them without visuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownred kelso View Post
    This is a classic sign of being "dehydrated" nothing to do with "on point" or "off point" after the first three decrease and you go into this you had the bird no where near point to start with,,Sorry Joe, you just did not know!!
    brownred kelso could you please elaborate on this a little more? are you trying to say that if your cock has reached the stage that he is dropping thick clear droppings, that he was never on on point to begin with? why? please enlighten us.

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    This is really good tips specially for the bigeners. If you have watch the video of late Emoy Gorgonia it's exactly the same but ka Emoy explenation is more easy to understand because there is a video sample of droppings. And at the start of the video he mentioned that he teaches Joe goode method that he got it from Boy Diaz. Try to search in the youtube. (ka emoy tips) it's really useful.. Thanks BK for the good post

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcmarcelino View Post
    eh mga sir kung ulutan ang laban, laging mahaba ang pila bago kayo mapalaban, paano nyo maimaintain ang pagiging ON ng manok.baguhan lang ho.
    ma pang eh han so pas wah hun cha shama lama ding dong,,,,,,just joking please write English no understand sorry,,,,,,,yfis

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    brownred kelso could you please elaborate on this a little more? are you trying to say that if your cock has reached the stage that he is dropping thick clear droppings, that he was never on on point to begin with? why? please enlighten us.
    Thick clear snotty, sinus looking dropping immediately after they start to spec out and you never had complete hydration to start with, the only way "point" will occur is with the working side fully hydrated and the baggage side stabilized and the feather quills nutralized.
    The birds that start pulling dehydration right after they "spec out" are good actors, they just play the part as a conditioned reaction of expecting feed,,,this is why i have always dicounted any dropping wanting mine "alive" with that good pull,,show em a stall they'll hop right in,,,,flat roosters don't act like that........

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    i agree with you 100% brownredkelso,i followed that same moisture/droppings monitoring when i used to fight chickens with great results.this "tip" is very benificial for newcomers and give their hard earned money a chance a level playing field.thank you for your valuable info...some people would learn a lot from you!

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    He sure is right didnt know about the crowling worms in its bodys till today and the take off from your hands when you put them on their resting stalls its sure a heck of sing and feeling.

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    I was told to pick up the green dropping and throw it at the wall and if it sticks, then the bird has good moisture, if it doesnt stick and bounces off, then they are too dry, if you cant even pick it up, then they are not right at all.

    Once they drop the dime shaped white stuff, then they are empty and ready to rock and role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jam671 View Post
    I was told to pick up the green dropping and throw it at the wall and if it sticks, then the bird has good moisture, if it doesnt stick and bounces off, then they are too dry, if you cant even pick it up, then they are not right at all.

    Once they drop the dime shaped white stuff, then they are empty and ready to rock and role.
    thats exactly what i have been told

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    Quote Originally Posted by kogmohon View Post
    this is where i disagree with you bk...the last three droppings are serious signs of stress,maltreatment,starvation, and abused... where do you go from there? how fast can you recover what they have lost already...if it takes an hour for viagra to make your cock on point...what miracle can pellets, cracked corn, and egg whites do in minutes before a fight...
    bai kogs i have tried my very best to revive a cock who had lost his point and found out that raw sugar can but not very consistent...

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    If the rooster was rested properly with adequate moisture, when you pick him up in the morning and crap him out in a drop pen, he will drop a load like a hen on a nest. All throughout the day he can crap diamonds for all I care, it is the end result that I look for and yes once the clear liquid raw egg white looking comes out it is over and he should be taken home. There are so many different ways to make adjustments prior to him going over with the clear liquid droppings. Remember, different families of fowl also require different type of feeding. Like BRK stated many times as he was told by his mentor, "if it ain't broke why fix it". So much good information being passed on here from experience folks, thanks to the computer and internet. Learning comes easy for many folks here and I hope to see some of them do well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudflop View Post
    If the rooster was rested properly with adequate moisture, when you pick him up in the morning and crap him out in a drop pen, he will drop a load like a hen on a nest. All throughout the day he can crap diamonds for all I care, it is the end result that I look for and yes once the clear liquid raw egg white looking comes out it is over and he should be taken home. There are so many different ways to make adjustments prior to him going over with the clear liquid droppings. Remember, different families of fowl also require different type of feeding. Like BRK stated many times as he was told by his mentor, "if it ain't broke why fix it". So much good information being passed on here from experience folks, thanks to the computer and internet. Learning comes easy for many folks here and I hope to see some of them do well.
    Thanks Mudflop,,,the reason i have posted all this material is to prevent youngsters from starting out on the wrong end of the plow,,now i'm never going to give out my process,,,yet i have given i head start i did not have, you can read all my posts and other experianced cockers materials on this and other treads and do really well,,,,,really appreciate all the PM's but what i give out on here,,,that's it,,, i have to leave myself some room, just in case i ever wanna feed again,,,,,,,lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by BILLABONG View Post
    bai kogs i have tried my very best to revive a cock who had lost his point and found out that raw sugar can but not very consistent...

    bai...you are right raw sugar can help... i have a better liquid that is fast acting that goes through the stomach walls and does not need to be metabolized to be effective...but like you said they are not consistent...if white sinus kind of droppings are sign of point...then
    how long has it's been on this point since the drop...it can be a late reminder...peak is just a lingering moment and once you get there you go down fast and it takes a while to get back...thus, the inconsistency...

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    very nice and informative article brownred kelso ... keep them coming, just don't mind the "smart alex's" foolish comments.


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    IMHO, not all birds can take the pointing process.There are birds that cut better when they are "wet" others fights better when they are "dry".The important thing is to get familiar with your fowls.Come fight day- it's all about the "feel".

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    So a rooster prity much passes throug point every day when emty correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by guardia civil View Post
    IMHO, not all birds can take the pointing process.There are birds that cut better when they are "wet" others fights better when they are "dry".The important thing is to get familiar with your fowls.Come fight day- it's all about the "feel".
    nice said...i wholeheartedly agree!!

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    I totally agree with you. There are some young folks from around my area that come online here and either try polishing the apple or bite on it. It is so sad to see them in shows around here being taken for a ride yet they still have this ego thing that they can compete with their upper classmen. With all the information already posted on here there is not much more left other than what they could learn from the experience of using the information. If I were in their shoes, I'd do a search for every post written by certain individuals and print it out and practice with the information. Being humble and respectfull is what I admire in young folks trying to learn. But like you I have my limitation. Good Luck if you make a come back and hope to see you at the WSC.



    Quote Originally Posted by brownred kelso View Post
    Thanks Mudflop,,,the reason i have posted all this material is to prevent youngsters from starting out on the wrong end of the plow,,now i'm never going to give out my process,,,yet i have given i head start i did not have, you can read all my posts and other experianced cockers materials on this and other treads and do really well,,,,,really appreciate all the PM's but what i give out on here,,,that's it,,, i have to leave myself some room, just in case i ever wanna feed again,,,,,,,lol

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    it's still chicken s, h, i, t,

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    Quote Originally Posted by kogmohon View Post
    bai...you are right raw sugar can help... i have a better liquid that is fast acting that goes through the stomach walls and does not need to be metabolized to be effective...but like you said they are not consistent...if white sinus kind of droppings are sign of point...then
    how long has it's been on this point since the drop...it can be a late reminder...peak is just a lingering moment and once you get there you go down fast and it takes a while to get back...thus, the inconsistency...
    You are always Right Bai Kogs.....I know you are not a Leftist ( Left handed maybe!!!)..peak is just a lingering moment....that is why an experienced handler ( I'm still experiencing, not yet experienced) should know and must know, what time the derby starts, what time will he be fighting his cock ( no!!! not that one!!!) based on the schedule, how fast are the fights inside the cockpit to gauge the amount of feed to be given or will not be given in the Morning based on the schedule and in the PM based on the schedule and the little in between to hold and avoid premature ejaculation...oooops, I mean peaking....
    An experienced handler knows his cock at all hours before the fight, at 4 hours before the fight, at 3,2,1 hrs before the fight and 59 minutes up to release moment of his cock....
    Many handlers can't stand the boredom of this chore...the reason why they pick up many good looking but beaten corpses inside the cockpit..... I know this for a fact because I picked up so many corpses the first 3 years of my cockfighting experience...it doesn't mean I no longer pick up dead corpse hehehe.... but my handler does.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by brownred kelso View Post
    The only way "point" will occur is with the working side fully hydrated and the baggage side stabilized and the feather quills nutralized.........
    can you please break this down for us beginners? what is the "working side", what is the "baggage side" and how do you get the "feather quills nutralized"??????? i have never heard of things reffered to this way.

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