mga bos ung Bagsik powermix ask ko lng kung ilan ang CP nito mga sir up ko na rin to...
mga bos ung Bagsik powermix ask ko lng kung ilan ang CP nito mga sir up ko na rin to...
Thanks sa infos about this crude protein
mga sir iung royal na imported ilan ang crude protein nun??
Originally Posted by tade
alin pre doon....madaming klase kasi yung product nila
http://www.leachgrain.com/poultrymixes.html
sir ung supremo
ganyan na ganyan ang cp nila.
bakit may hog starter?? ginagamit nyo din po ba to?
Meron po bang bilihan ng mga raw feeds palang ibig kopong sabihin, yung purong soybean meal, fish meal or pure grain na dipa hinahalo at tayo mismo ang gagawa ng sarili nating mix.?
Meron yan kakmeyt, yung malalaking grains retailer, not necessarily poultry supply. Sa divisoria nung binata pa ko nakakakita ako nyan, pero alam ko kahit saang parte meron lagi malaking grain retailer outlet, try mo lang research sa area mo.
Sir gudpm, Anong brand po ng holding pellets ginagamit nyo?ty
hog starter po smin. Ok nman ang performance.
up lng natin ung mag bago fids pki post
Salamat sa stats! Maganda nga talaga yung Thunderbird brand gaya ng sabi nila. Makapagswitch na nga ako next week...
Rice by-products Rice bran accounts for 5-10% of the paddy weight, it is derived from the pericarp or bran layer of rice, with some quantities of hull fragments which is unavoidable in the regular milling of rice. It should have the following analysis*:
Cono (D1) - first class or fine rice bran: crude protein - 11% min., fat - 12% min., fiber - 7% max., moisture - 13% max.Cono (D2)- second class or coarse rice bran: crude protein - 8% min., fat- 4% min., fiber- 18% max., moisture- 13% max.It is a good source of B group vitamins but its high lipid level makes it prone to rancidity which significantly reduces feed value. Ideally, rice bran for feed use should have undergone oil-extraction to improve its keeping quality.
Kiskis: crude protein - 4% min., fat - 2% min., fiber - 30% max., moisture - 13% max.Rice polishings approximately 3% of the paddy weight, rice polishings is the finely powdered material obtained in polishing rice kernels to improve its appearance. It should have the following analysis*: crude protein - 12% min., fat - 15% min., fiber - 6% max., moisture - 13% max. It is lower in protein and fiber than rice bran but has the same storage problem due to its high lipid content. Rice middlings consist of bran particles and small fragments of rice kernels obtained as a by-product in the milling of rice. Corn and by-products Corn grain dried and shelled corn with moisture content of generally less than 13%. Corn grits or hominy grits hard, flinty portions of sound corn, with little or none of the bran or germ; separated from the rest by screens of different gauges - fine (#22), intermediate (#16), and coarse (# 14). It should have the following analysis*: crude protein - 7% min., fat - 0.5% min., fiber - 2% max., moisture - 13% max. Corn gluten feed a combination of corn gluten meal and corn bran mixed in a proportion to contain 20-25% protein. Like all corn products, it is very lysine deficient. It should have the following analysis*: crude protein - 20% min., fat - 2% min., fiber- 8% max., moisture - 13% max. Hominy feed by-product of the manufacture of hominy, hominy grits, and corn meal for human consumption. Consists of a mixture of corn bran, corn germ, and varying amounts of finer starchy portions of the grain. Corn bran outer coating of the corn kernel, with little or none of the starchy part of the germ. Corn bran should have the following analysis*: crude protein - 10% min., fat - 5% min., fiber - 8% max., moisture - 13% max. Corn gluten meal that part of the corn grain that remains after the extraction of the starch and germ, and the separation of the bran by the process employed in the wet milling manufacture of corn starch or syrup. It should have the following analysis*: crude protein - 42% min., fat - 1.5% min., fiber - 4.5% max., moisture - 13% max Corn germ meal this is ground corn germ cake (the residual product after extraction of oil from corn germ with other parts of the corn kernel) as separated in the dry milling process of manufacture of corn meal, corn grits, hominy feed, and other corn by-products. It should have the following analysis*: crude protein - 14% min., fat- 10% min., fiber - 9% max., moisture - 13% max. Wheat flour and by-products Wheat flour the starchy interior of the wheat grain, with the fibrous seedcoat, bran and pollard removed. It has a considerably higher protein compared to corn (around 12.8% vs. 8.8%) and aids in the hyderostability of processed feeds. Wheat pollard the portion of the wheat bran between the skin or the bran and the white interior (source of white flour). Under Philippine conditions of flour milling, pollard may include millrun, middlings and shorts. It should have the following analysis*: Soft: crude protein - 12% min., fat - 4% min., fiber - 8% max., moisture - 13% max. Hard: crude protein - 16% min., fat - 3% min., fiber - 8% max.,moisture - 13% max. Wheat bran consists primarily of the fibrous seed coat, without the germ, which is removed in the manufacture of wheat flour. It contains most of the vitamins and protein of the wheat grain. Oil cakes Soybean oil meal consists of fat extracted soybeans which have been ground to a meal and sometimes pelleted. It is of two types, hulled and dehulled, with protein levels of approximately 44% and 49%, respectively. Soybean oil meal is high in lysine but quite low in methionine and cystine. It contains growth-inhibiting factors, specifically a trypsin inhibitor and urease, but these are readily destroyed with proper processing. Copra meal is what remains after the dried coconut meat has been subjected to a mechanical fat extraction process and ground. Copra meal is also available in cake and pellet form. The feedstuff is relatively high in protein (at least 22%) although the quality is relatively low. It is also high in fiber. Copra meal is particularly prone to rancidity and aflatoxin contamination. Animal and fish processing by-products Meat and bone meal consists of unusable animal tissue and bones which have been cooked under steam pressure, partially detagged, dried and ground; usually contains from 55-60% protein; is a good source of calcium and phosphorus Fish meal is produced from fish processing wastes or from whole fish. Fish meal quality varies greatly depending on the raw material used.
IMPORTED
Most of the local fish meal are by-products in the canning of tuna and sardines and consists of heads, internal organs, scraps, black meat, bones, tail, and reject/spoiling fish. The product is generally high in protein (55-60%) but quality in terms of freshness and bacterial contamination is quite low. Fish meal production in canneries are mechanized. In some areas where trash fish abound, fish meal is produced by grinding sundried fish that has been slightly salted.Shrimp head/shell meal made from dried and grounded waste heads and shells of shrimps. Its true protein is only 50-70% since part of this is in the form of indigestible chitin. The ingredient however is a valuable source of this chitin which is important in shrimp diets. Shrimp head/shell meal is also a major source of naturally occurring choline and carotenoids. If not finely ground, the ingredient will tend to reduce feed stability. Tallow or animal fat obtained from the tissues of mammals and/or poultry in the commercial processing of rendering or extracting.
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Formulating Rations With the Pearson Square
by J. Wagner and T.L. Stanton* (6/12)
Quick Facts...
- The Pearson square ration formulation procedure is designed for simple rations.
- In order for the square to work, follow specific directions for its use.
- Nutrient contents of ingredients and nutrient requirements must be expressed on the same basis (i.e., dry-matter or "as-fed").
The Pearson square or box method of balancing rations is a simple procedure that has been used for many years. It is of greatest value when only two ingredients are to be mixed. In taking a close look at the square, several numbers are in and around the square. Probably one of the more important numbers is the number that appears in the middle of the square. This number represents the nutritional requirement of an animal for a specific nutrient. It may be crude protein or TDN, amino acids, minerals or vitamins.
In order to make the square work consistently, there are three very important considerations:
- The value in the middle of the square must be intermediate between the two values that are used on the left side of the square. For example, the 14 percent crude protein requirement has to be intermediate between the soybean meal that has 45 percent crude protein or the corn that has 10 percent crude protein. If barley is used that has 12 percent crude protein and corn that has 10 percent crude protein, the square calculation method will not work because the 14 percent is outside the range of the values on the left side of the square.
- Disregard any negative numbers that are generated on the right side of the square. Be concerned only with the numerical differences between the nutrient requirement and the ingredient nutrient values.
- Subtract the nutrient value from the nutritional requirement on the diagonal and arrive at a numerical value entitled parts. By summing those parts and dividing by the total, you can determine the percent of the ration that each ingredient should represent in order to provide a specific nutrient level. Always subtract on the diagonal within the square in order to determine parts. Always double check calculations to make sure that you did not have a mathematical error. It also is very important to work on a uniform basis. Use a 100-percent dry-matter basis for nutrient composition of ingredients and requirements and then convert to an as-fed basis after the formulation is calculated.
Corn represents (31.0 / 35.00) x 100 of the ration, or 88.57 percent. Soybean meal represents (4.0 / 35.00) x 100 of the ration, or 11.43 percent. Check of the calculation:
88.57 lb corn x 10.0% CP = 8.86 11.43 lb SBM x 45.0% CP = 5.14 100.00 lb mixture contains = 14.00 lb CP, or 14 percent.
Using More Than Two Ingredients
It is possible to mix more than two ingredients using the Pearson square. For example, to prepare a 15 percent crude protein mixture that consists of a supplement of 60 percent soybean meal (45 percent crude protein) and 40 percent corn gluten meal (45 percent crude protein), and a grain mixture of 65 percent corn (9 percent crude protein) and 35 percent oats (12 percent crude protein), take the following steps.
Since only two components can be used in the Pearson square method, the ingredients are combined first as follows:
Expressing Feed Composition
60% SBM x 45% crude protein = 27.0 40% CGM x 45% = 18.0 Protein in supplement mixture 45.0% 65% corn x 9.0% = 5.85 35% oats x 12.0% = 4.20 Protein in grain mix 10.05% 5.0 parts x 60% = 3.0 parts SBM 5.0 parts x 40% = 2.0 parts CGM 30.0 parts x 65% = 19.5 parts corn 30.0 parts x 35% = 10.5 parts oats 35.0 (3.0 / 35.0) = 8.57% SBM (2.0 / 35.0) = 5.71% CGM (19.5 / 35.0) = 55.72% corn (10.5 / 35.0) = 30.00% oats Check: 8.57 lb SBM at 45% CP = 3.86 lb 5.71 lb CGM at 45% CP = 2.57 lb 55.72 lb corn at 9% CP = 5.01 lb 30.00 lb oats at 12% CP = 3.60 lb 100.00 lb contains 15.04 lb or 15% CP
The crude-protein value of a feed or the percentage of any other component (e.g., calcium or phosphorus) can be expressed several ways. The two most common methods of expression are on an as-fed basis or dry-matter basis. Use the following procedure to calculate composition on a dry-matter basis.
Crude protein value on an as-fed basis divided by dry-matter content of the feed times 100 equals the crude-protein content on a dry-matter basis. If alfalfa hay is used as an example, the crude protein value is 17 percent on an as-fed basis. On a dry-matter basis, the crude protein value of the hay is calculated as follows: 17 / 0.91 (moisture content of 9 percent) times 100 equals 18.7 percent crude protein.
To determine the total digestible nutrient (TDN) content of the above alfalfa on a dry-matter basis, follow the same procedure: 50 percent (TDN value on an as-fed basis) divided by 0.91 (dry-matter content of the feed) times 100 equals 54.9 percent TDN on a dry-matter basis. Likewise, the crude-protein content or the TDN value also can be expressed on the basis of any given dry-matter level. For example, if you use a 90-percent dry-matter basis, use the following calculation. Given a TDN value of 76 percent and a dry-matter content of 86 percent (14 percent moisture), what would be the TDN value of this feed on a 90 percent dry-matter basis?
(76 x .90) / .86 = 79.5 percent TDN on a 90 percent dry-matter basis.Ration Composition Calculations
If you know the dry-matter composition of a specific ration and want to determine what that composition will be on an as-fed basis for mixing, make the calculations shown in Table 1.
Conversely, if you know the "as-fed" composition of the ration and the dry matter of each ingredient, determine the ration dry-matter composition as shown in Table 2.
Table 1: Converting from dry matter to as-fed. Feed Ration
dry-matter
compositionIngredient %
dry matterCalculations Ration as-fed
compositionCorn silage 70 35 70/.35 = 200 (200/233) x 100 = 84.84 Alfalfa 30 90 30/.90 = 33
233(33/233) x 100 = 14.16
Table 2: Converting from as-fed to dry matter. Feed Ration
dry-matter
compositionIngredient %
dry matterCalculations Ration as-fed
compositionCorn silage 65 35 65 x .35 = 22.75 (22.75/54.25) x 100 = 41.94 Alfalfa 35 90 35 x .90 = 31.50
54.25(31.50/54.25) x 100 = 58.06
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Thank you for posting sir kailangan e2 lalo na malapit na ang tag-ulan, kailangan maayos na feeding program para manatiling mainit ang dugo ng manok.
nice info bro.can you show a mixture of grains with an outcome of 16 to 18 crude protein.tnx
ito ang mixture ng 16%crude protien..3parts eps. concentrate...2parts whole corn..1pat jockey oats,sa mixture na ito kumuha ng 19grams pellets 20% crude protien plus 21 grams grain mixtures --total mixture is 40grams..sa 18%crude protien naman--32grams pellets 20%crude protien plus 8grams grain mix..sana makatulong.
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Very Nice thread, Very Informative..
[QUOTE=mundray;3778348]sir watari maganda ang thread mo..pero bakit naka english kayo nasa tagalog forum itong thread mo,huwag mo masamain nagtatanong lang peace
oh sige ibahagi ko rin itong kopya ko kayo na bahala sa konting deperensya ng CP
PROTEIN SOURCE % CP – CRUDE PROTEIN
SOY BEAN MEAL HI-PRO 47
BLACK BEANS 39
SOY BEANS 36
LUPINS DEHULLED/MORROCAN 36
RAPESEED MEAL 34
WHITE PEAS 28
VETCH SEEDS 27
MAPLE PEAS 23
MONGO BEANS 24.5
GREEN PEAS 23.4
SUNFLOWER SEEDS (black color) 20.9
CORN 8.8
JOCKEY OATS 14.8
OAT GROATS 12
SAFFLOWER SEEDS (white color) 44
ROYAL PIGEON FANCY 16
RED RICE 10
BARLEY 11.7
7KINDS CONCENTRATE POPULAR 12
RED WHEAT (TRIGO) 11.3
SORGHUM or MILO 11.5
GMP (sarimanok) 18
RED KIDNEY BEANS 22.5
BIRD SEED FINCH MILLET 12
kumusta po sa lahat... medyo matagal tagal din po akong nawala dito sa thread at sa kabuuan dito sa sabong.net at ganun din po sa aktwal na pagsasabong. Pagpalain po tayong lahat ng Poong Maykapal.
Very informative thread, keep it going.
Keep them crowing the next season is around the block.
yunke8888
need help guys i am planning to make my own mix.Its based on calf manna,safflower, green peas, red wheat, black sun flower seed,whole yellow corn and pop corn or flint corn,whatever you may call it ,Anyway what's the proportions I should use to make it 16% cp.Thanks.I appreciate your help.
mga kasabong very informative po itong thread na ito salamat sa mga nag bigay ng kanilang opinions
ang itatanong ko naman po ay about sa "MEGA LEGEND" ng tatak excellence..
gumagamit po ako ng 100g MEGA LEGEND Crumble, eto po ay may 38% crude protein, then inihahalo ko sa 1kg na TB Baby Stag Developer na may 22% Crude Protein
nakalagay po sa pakete ng MEGA LEGEND na ito ay ibinibigay sa mga sisiw hanggang 2months old
makakasama po ba sa mga sisiw ko itong ganito kataas na protein?? or mas bubuti po ang kanilang paglaki?? sana may makasagot about dito
this is great info . ThanksFormulating Rations With the Pearson Square
by J. Wagner and T.L. Stanton* (6/12)
Quick Facts...
- The Pearson square ration formulation procedure is designed for simple rations.
- In order for the square to work, follow specific directions for its use.
- Nutrient contents of ingredients and nutrient requirements must be expressed on the same basis (i.e., dry-matter or "as-fed").
The Pearson square or box method of balancing rations is a simple procedure that has been used for many years. It is of greatest value when only two ingredients are to be mixed. In taking a close look at the square, several numbers are in and around the square. Probably one of the more important numbers is the number that appears in the middle of the square. This number represents the nutritional requirement of an animal for a specific nutrient. It may be crude protein or TDN, amino acids, minerals or vitamins.
In order to make the square work consistently, there are three very important considerations:
- The value in the middle of the square must be intermediate between the two values that are used on the left side of the square. For example, the 14 percent crude protein requirement has to be intermediate between the soybean meal that has 45 percent crude protein or the corn that has 10 percent crude protein. If barley is used that has 12 percent crude protein and corn that has 10 percent crude protein, the square calculation method will not work because the 14 percent is outside the range of the values on the left side of the square.
- Disregard any negative numbers that are generated on the right side of the square. Be concerned only with the numerical differences between the nutrient requirement and the ingredient nutrient values.
- Subtract the nutrient value from the nutritional requirement on the diagonal and arrive at a numerical value entitled parts. By summing those parts and dividing by the total, you can determine the percent of the ration that each ingredient should represent in order to provide a specific nutrient level. Always subtract on the diagonal within the square in order to determine parts. Always double check calculations to make sure that you did not have a mathematical error. It also is very important to work on a uniform basis. Use a 100-percent dry-matter basis for nutrient composition of ingredients and requirements and then convert to an as-fed basis after the formulation is calculated.
Corn represents (31.0 / 35.00) x 100 of the ration, or 88.57 percent. Soybean meal represents (4.0 / 35.00) x 100 of the ration, or 11.43 percent. Check of the calculation:
88.57 lb corn x 10.0% CP = 8.86 11.43 lb SBM x 45.0% CP = 5.14 100.00 lb mixture contains = 14.00 lb CP, or 14 percent.
Using More Than Two Ingredients
It is possible to mix more than two ingredients using the Pearson square. For example, to prepare a 15 percent crude protein mixture that consists of a supplement of 60 percent soybean meal (45 percent crude protein) and 40 percent corn gluten meal (45 percent crude protein), and a grain mixture of 65 percent corn (9 percent crude protein) and 35 percent oats (12 percent crude protein), take the following steps.
Since only two components can be used in the Pearson square method, the ingredients are combined first as follows:
Expressing Feed Composition
60% SBM x 45% crude protein = 27.0 40% CGM x 45% = 18.0 Protein in supplement mixture 45.0% 65% corn x 9.0% = 5.85 35% oats x 12.0% = 4.20 Protein in grain mix 10.05% 5.0 parts x 60% = 3.0 parts SBM 5.0 parts x 40% = 2.0 parts CGM 30.0 parts x 65% = 19.5 parts corn 30.0 parts x 35% = 10.5 parts oats 35.0 (3.0 / 35.0) = 8.57% SBM (2.0 / 35.0) = 5.71% CGM (19.5 / 35.0) = 55.72% corn (10.5 / 35.0) = 30.00% oats Check: 8.57 lb SBM at 45% CP = 3.86 lb 5.71 lb CGM at 45% CP = 2.57 lb 55.72 lb corn at 9% CP = 5.01 lb 30.00 lb oats at 12% CP = 3.60 lb 100.00 lb contains 15.04 lb or 15% CP
The crude-protein value of a feed or the percentage of any other component (e.g., calcium or phosphorus) can be expressed several ways. The two most common methods of expression are on an as-fed basis or dry-matter basis. Use the following procedure to calculate composition on a dry-matter basis.
Crude protein value on an as-fed basis divided by dry-matter content of the feed times 100 equals the crude-protein content on a dry-matter basis. If alfalfa hay is used as an example, the crude protein value is 17 percent on an as-fed basis. On a dry-matter basis, the crude protein value of the hay is calculated as follows: 17 / 0.91 (moisture content of 9 percent) times 100 equals 18.7 percent crude protein.
To determine the total digestible nutrient (TDN) content of the above alfalfa on a dry-matter basis, follow the same procedure: 50 percent (TDN value on an as-fed basis) divided by 0.91 (dry-matter content of the feed) times 100 equals 54.9 percent TDN on a dry-matter basis. Likewise, the crude-protein content or the TDN value also can be expressed on the basis of any given dry-matter level. For example, if you use a 90-percent dry-matter basis, use the following calculation. Given a TDN value of 76 percent and a dry-matter content of 86 percent (14 percent moisture), what would be the TDN value of this feed on a 90 percent dry-matter basis?
(76 x .90) / .86 = 79.5 percent TDN on a 90 percent dry-matter basis.Ration Composition Calculations
If you know the dry-matter composition of a specific ration and want to determine what that composition will be on an as-fed basis for mixing, make the calculations shown in Table 1.
Conversely, if you know the "as-fed" composition of the ration and the dry matter of each ingredient, determine the ration dry-matter composition as shown in Table 2.
Table 1: Converting from dry matter to as-fed. Feed Ration
dry-matter
compositionIngredient %
dry matterCalculations Ration as-fed
compositionCorn silage 70 35 70/.35 = 200 (200/233) x 100 = 84.84 Alfalfa 30 90 30/.90 = 33
233(33/233) x 100 = 14.16
Table 2: Converting from as-fed to dry matter. Feed Ration
dry-matter
compositionIngredient %
dry matterCalculations Ration as-fed
compositionCorn silage 65 35 65 x .35 = 22.75 (22.75/54.25) x 100 = 41.94 Alfalfa 35 90 35 x .90 = 31.50
54.25(31.50/54.25) x 100 = 58.06
How much grams of crude protien,carbohydrates,fats is required to our valued roosters?how do we compute itand how many calories for the maintenance,pre-conditioning and for the conditioning?it is very easy to say 16% protien,17% and so on,the problem is...how much of the grains and pellets mixturs be?please enlighten us..thanks.
sa tingin ko masyado nang nagiging scientific ang pag-treat natin sa feeds, hindi naman tayo mag-bake ng cake para kailangan na eksakto ang % ng feeds natin in terms of protein or kung ano pang dapat idagdag or ibawas sa mga pinakakain natin, let's make it simple.
sa mixture na grains + pellets na umpisa sa 1 to 1 ratio
tanong: kung ang mga manok na pang-laban ay mahina ang katawan ano ang dapat idagdag?
kung medyo naman parang mabigat, ano ang dapat ibawas at idagdag para bumuka ang katawan.
sa mga inahin for breeding: ano ang dapat ibigay or alisin pag-lugon
pagkatapos ng lugon anong dapat idagdag sa pagkain para ma-prime na sila sa pag-itlog.
kid
Pag bumili ka ng Thunderbird Successor sa pakete mababasa mo MINIMUM PROTEIN = 17.50%. Alin kaya sa dalawa ang tama.
Meron po ba dito nakakuha o copy ng crude protien conversion ni ka emoy gorgonia?nakalimutan ko saan makita o ma download yon eh..malaking tulong po yon lalo na dun naghahalo ng pagkain para sa panlaban...
Sir, andito po sa video...
Last edited by linedel; October 10th, 2016 at 09:00 PM.
Sana meron din about fiber feed regimen, protein feed regimen and carboloading regimen and their different % compositions. Tapos kung kailan dapat ito ibigay sa mga alagang manok natin? Like example sa mga oras ng paglulugon ano b magandang ibigay na feeding regimen at right timing ng pagbibigay ng gantong diet? Sana may sumagot?
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