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    Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    I noticed that All breeders pricelist between broodstag and broodcock has huge diferrence. Could anyone explain the factor why broodcock more expensive regardless of age? Sorry guyz im new breeding a broodfowl.
    Thanx in Advance!

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Not proven or tested the fertility and his worth in breeding

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Quote Originally Posted by supremo54 View Post
    if it is a broodcock and produce winners,most probably you will not get it from the breeder.
    now if it is a broodcock and the breeder sells it.....hehe......most probably he is not producing what he expect
    now if it is a broodcock and you are a friend of the breeder,he might give/lend you the ones that are good
    but if from a breeder you are not acquainted with......you might get the ones he is trying to dispose
    correct, kumusta po ang laban ng mga manok ninyo Sir S54 keep on winning

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Para sa akin ang disadvantage lang ng brood stag, eh wala pang naipakita ang mga produce niya, compared dun sa cocks na may record na.

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Salamat po sa lahat ng nagreply.
    Who is the most honest breeder releasing a winning line broodstag on your expirienced?

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Sakin, mas gusto ko yung broodstag dahil di pa na breed, may chance ka makakuha ng maganda. Pero kung broodcock(especially if mga anak high winning percentage), I don't think na benta ng breeder ang Ace broodcock nya. Sya nalang ang magbreed dun. Siguro, He's just trying to sell the broodcocks he wants to dispose. hehehe

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Quote Originally Posted by joeper View Post
    Sakin, mas gusto ko yung broodstag dahil di pa na breed, may chance ka makakuha ng maganda. Pero kung broodcock(especially if mga anak high winning percentage), I don't think na benta ng breeder ang Ace broodcock nya. Sya nalang ang magbreed dun. Siguro, He's just trying to sell the broodcocks he wants to dispose. hehehe
    that's true bro. may experience nakong ganyan, only then i realized nung nasa akin na ung b-cock, bkit kaya binenta na ito???? so i tried to breed him yon pala low winning % kaya i've learned w/ that exp. kaya kung bbili kau mas maigi broodstag nalang, kau na muna mag experiment kesa bbili kau ng proven low % of winning.

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    In fact, hindi un ang napili kong bbilhin he just only recommend that bcock kc ung napili ko sabi on moult daw baka lang mastress sa byahe then he told me proven daw nya ung ibbigay sakin, ako namay nagtiwala agad sa kagustuhang makapag umpisa ng breeding pero hindi nglabas un ng magandang anak. tama ung sabi ng kaibigan natin na kung mganda nilalabas na anak sya na lang magbreed. make sense db?

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    sa mga trio na binibili ko i prefer younger brood material around 7-8monhts old not more than 10 monhts..mas magagamit mo ng matagal as long na honest ang breeder na pag kukunan mo at bigyan ka ng winnig lines niya..

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Quote Originally Posted by AZone View Post
    I noticed that All breeders pricelist between broodstag and broodcock has huge diferrence. Could anyone explain the factor why broodcock more expensive regardless of age? Sorry guyz im new breeding a broodfowl.
    Thanx in Advance!
    its wise to get a brood bullstag that has been used by the breeder in his breeding program... presuming that the breeder gives you an honest to goodness sale...

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    I Agree. Honest breeder is the key for succesful breeding.Some tips from a well knowned breeder. If your plan is producing a battlefowl better to use a broodstag over a hen or pullet over broodcock. But if for breeding materials broodstag over pullet can do.

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Quote Originally Posted by supremo54 View Post
    if it is a broodcock and produce winners,most probably you will not get it from the breeder.
    now if it is a broodcock and the breeder sells it.....hehe......most probably he is not producing what he expect
    now if it is a broodcock and you are a friend of the breeder,he might give/lend you the ones that are good
    but if from a breeder you are not acquainted with......you might get the ones he is trying to dispose


    nice input Sir Supremo.

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    kaya mas mahal ang cock marami ng kinain un,malaki na nagastos dun,mahirap ng magpagulang ngayun.

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Quote Originally Posted by supremo54 View Post
    if it is a broodcock and produce winners,most probably you will not get it from the breeder.
    now if it is a broodcock and the breeder sells it.....hehe......most probably he is not producing what he expect
    now if it is a broodcock and you are a friend of the breeder,he might give/lend you the ones that are good
    but if from a breeder you are not acquainted with......you might get the ones he is trying to dispose
    >>>this is most correct!!! sometimes we just have not to take the shortcut, start with good broodstags and develope ur OWN good battlecocks...

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Si Angkibit and Sir Supremo:

    What is the best crosses for trio of Sir Joey ( Circle L ) that gives high percentage of winning? Im planning to buy with him. Kindly guide me..THank YoU!

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    Sir pano yung sa breeder na nassusunog(kilala nyo yan) farm? nagbebenta kasi sya ng mga broodcocks ngayon sabi sobra n daw broodcocks kaya binebenta na. mga 2yrs old n island born. ano po masasabi nyo dito mga sir? maganda bang bilhin or makainig tayo sa maraming payo dito na wag bilhin ang broodcock na binibenta sayo ng breeder dahil most likely di magaganda mga nilabas at gusto nya na idispose?
    Last edited by Eiji; April 23rd, 2011 at 01:34 AM.

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    UP naten.....................................

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Wala naman guarantee na winners ang mga lalabas kung stag or cock man yan dahil madaming factors pang involved sa pag palaki at pag condition para ilaban and then problema pa yung handler & gaffer mo kung magaling sila at tama pagka point ng manok. Sometimes nagiging masyadong sigurista na tayo eh. Just buy the one you think is good for you tapos tignan na lamang kung naka produce ng magandang palahi o hindi. Kung hindi edi bumili ka ulit sa iba and try and try and try again. That's what makes breeding so interesting and fun .

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Quote Originally Posted by AZone View Post
    I noticed that All breeders pricelist between broodstag and broodcock has huge diferrence. Could anyone explain the factor why broodcock more expensive regardless of age? Sorry guyz im new breeding a broodfowl.
    Thanx in Advance!

    ang alam ko pag kaka iba jan pag winner na ang brood cock na kukunin at meron mga record ang anak na una sa palahi nila jan iba talaga ang price .pero kung sa breeding naman brood stag vs brood cock halos parehas lang .kasi kung hindi mo din naman ma kukuha ung kalahi ng winner na brood or pinsan niya brood hen wala din HULAAN padin ang mang yayare .para sa akin year old dapat ang brood fowl pullet and stag pag masyado bata kasi medyo meron na labas na maliit.

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Thank you sir sa pagshare ng idea.

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    all the answer to your question are personal opinion..my recommendation, try them both
    and wait for the result.

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    if a broodstag is to be used be sure that it came from a winning line family, meaning his brothers, mother, father or uncles has a very reliable winning record in short you really have to know the history of the broodstag

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Mga Kasabong, Nice topic po!!! I have one question that mentioned earlier, 1 year para maganda po semilya ng broodstag... What if gusto kung magbreed ng Off Season para may magamit for rainy season???

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Sir can you gave us the exact minimum and maximum months/years for broodcock that we concder them right age on breeding which produce strong chicks?

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Quote Originally Posted by EPG5 Backyard View Post
    Wala naman guarantee na winners ang mga lalabas kung stag or cock man yan dahil madaming factors pang involved sa pag palaki at pag condition para ilaban and then problema pa yung handler & gaffer mo kung magaling sila at tama pagka point ng manok. Sometimes nagiging masyadong sigurista na tayo eh. Just buy the one you think is good for you tapos tignan na lamang kung naka produce ng magandang palahi o hindi. Kung hindi edi bumili ka ulit sa iba and try and try and try again. That's what makes breeding so interesting and fun .
    very well said sir...

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Quote Originally Posted by supremo54 View Post
    it is a never ending trial and error process
    kaya ang suggestion ay single mating
    once ma pinpoint mo kung anong pares naglalabas ng winners
    stick to it,breed mo ng i breed hanggat pwede
    Totoo ba yung nadinig ko sa isang TV show na ang mga inahen sa farm ni Patrick Antonio ay 3 times lamang gamitin tapos e retire na sila . Baka naman yung bawat season ang ibig sabihin na mass production egg laying dahil sa incubator sila nag papa pisa so bali 3 years ang pag gamit nila sa hen. Dahil kung 3 times lang mag paputok na hen hatch parang mahirap paniwalaan naman yon.

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    very interesting topic......

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Oh ok, so mga crosses na pala yung mga hens na yun for mass production. Akala ko yung mga "pure" fowl nila ang kinakatay after umabot na sa 3 years old.

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    My Personal Opinion...NONE...old brooder hen need young stag para maging vigorous ang mga maging anak nila...and vise versa old cock need young pullet's. Yan kadalasan nadidinig ko sa mga kakilalang old time breeder...even as i watch Hataw Pinoy..Tukaan, Sabong Planet or Sabong TV...yan rin sinasabi nila sa system breeding nila....Much important of wat i heard are the pullet/hen/bullhen used in breeding that give nick/winner to the combined stag/bullstag/cock....

    HAPPY KASABONG TO ALLLLL

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    Re: Disadvantage of using broodstag over broodcock

    Oo some books ganun din ang sabi, broodstag x broodhen for better battlecross or vice versa,,

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