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    Thumbs up cockfighting law in oklahoma

    I been hearin that the cockers of oklahoma have been pushing to get the pits opened back up in oklahoma on indain property just wonderin if there is anything to this or if it is just gossip

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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by gallohombre View Post
    I been hearin that the cockers of oklahoma have been pushing to get the pits opened back up in oklahoma on indain property just wonderin if there is anything to this or if it is just gossip
    all of oklahoma is indian land ,fis stillbreaking

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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    well i was told that kellyville had been repainted and there was a bill being took to the senate tryin to get the pits reopened..... any truth to this???

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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    I have heard the same thing, but havent found any solid info on it.

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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    Surely there is a oklahoma boy on here that knows what the heck is goin out there..... be sweet if this has some truth to it....

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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    Wonder if travis clark is still part owner of kellyville? if so he would be the man with answers!

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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    The cockfighting law is unconstitutional and we are working hard to make that fact very public and pushing to get the law repealed on the fact that it is unconstitutional.

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    Question Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    "pops" why so negative do u not love the sport of cockfighting? maybe there is something u know that i dont about what is goin on in oklahoma if so please bring me up to speed if not why r u downing people that r tryin to make a difference in r sport would'nt u like to have a place to legally show ur fowe in the states? would'nt it be nice to look threw a gamecock that is more that 5 pages long and c who has the best fowl in the US. by performance not just hear say?

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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by pops View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAHA! yeah right and pigs fly

    4935 Horseshoe Cir. Hepzibaha Ga

    and all there is at that address poops is a single wide trailer house. hahahaha

    it must be a sad sad life to sit at the computer just to argue against the cockers so you can try to justify your pitiful existence.

    What is the matter the house full of cats isn't enough for the old *** maid anymore? hahahaha
    Last edited by team.crusader; April 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 AM.

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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by gallohombre View Post
    "pops" why so negative do u not love the sport of cockfighting? maybe there is something u know that i dont about what is goin on in oklahoma if so please bring me up to speed if not why r u downing people that r tryin to make a difference in r sport would'nt u like to have a place to legally show ur fowe in the states? would'nt it be nice to look threw a gamecock that is more that 5 pages long and c who has the best fowl in the US. by performance not just hear say?
    That's what I am talking about.I have heard the rumor too,except what I heard is it will be a county by county thing some counties will be dry counties some wont.

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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by gallohombre View Post
    "pops" why so negative do u not love the sport of cockfighting? maybe there is something u know that i dont about what is goin on in oklahoma if so please bring me up to speed if not why r u downing people that r tryin to make a difference in r sport would'nt u like to have a place to legally show ur fowe in the states? would'nt it be nice to look threw a gamecock that is more that 5 pages long and c who has the best fowl in the US. by performance not just hear say?

    Gallo,
    poops is an *** here pretending to be a cockfighter. He's been exposed and now he's trying to throw bull**** around to turn the attention away from the fact that everyone now knows he is an ***.

    And poops if that is your trailer house why don't you give us the color and length of it to prove you live there? hahaha
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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    What i have heard is that the pits and the land they set on will be owned by the indians because they have special rights but the pits would be open to every one if they pay a membership? wish someone knew more about all this! gets me excitied thinkin there might be legal places to fight again!

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    ok so did the court just resently rule on that?

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    i dont know but alot is hear say by people starting things but were suporting BL 100% around here and theres more irons in the fire than most know and its a good thing when you have people bashing others that are trying instead of bystanders trying to be ring leaders just saying theres lot is going on behind the scenes so well all have to see i suggest giving support rather than derogatory statements but theres always a few that just want the end product without blood ,sweat and tears

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    thanks guy im new to the site if had new that the info was here i wouldnt of started the post.

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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    Quote Originally Posted by pops View Post
    Oh no I love cockfighting but B.L. spouts that hes going to prove the laws are unconstutional... and I say when pigs fly... he's all hot air... and sadly the courts have just ruled that the State laws on cockfighting apply on
    Native land... unless (and I could be wrong here) but unless it's two natives doing the fighting.
    It was because they were non-natives on reservation. Whether State or Fed had jurisdiction on a victimless crime. They let the natives go and charged the Non-natives, and Langford fought it and won in appeals court. Now we'll see if the Feds want to take it to a higher court.

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    your right but theres loop hole for everything just like the casinos they find a way if they didnt there would be no non natives gambling but as you know its a big industry and money talks but im not argueing with anyone here just stating dont knock other people for trying theres alot more doing nothing than there is trying

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    Quote Originally Posted by pops View Post
    well the fat lady sang and non indians can't fight chickens on indain land and I think that it falls to the feds if indains fight chickens on indain land...maybe not
    Well, all I know is that Langford was charged and found guilty in the first trial, but was over turned by a three judge panel. He was Non-native, I guess you just read it different than I do..US vs. Langford. One part of it was that Oklahoma State had given up jurisdiction for "all time" on Indian land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pops View Post
    well what I got out of it was that he was charged by the feds and the panel ruled that the feds had no juristiction over a non native on native land but that the State did... And ya the feds may appeal the ruling takeing to a higher court
    Which is what I thought the State A.G. has been saying all along... could be wrong but the State claimed jurisdiction over indain land after the feds desolved the reservations in Oklahoma in the early part of the 1900's
    It's my understanding that the State Consitutions states it and it would have to be changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pops View Post
    well the fat lady sang and non indians can't fight chickens on indain land and I think that it falls to the feds if indains fight chickens on indain land...maybe not
    Well which is it? You've come up with a different opinion now? State or Fed or limbo? Is there a federal crime to fighting fowl or just the interstate commerce clause? Or would they charge you on animal cruelty like Texas does?
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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    Now this thread is goin places keep'em comin

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    Quote Originally Posted by pops View Post
    LOL no it falls to the state ... on page ten of the courts ruling the court says that the state has jurisdiction over non indains on indain land (follow the link and read the ruleing for yourself)
    Why weren't the indians charged? It was a Federal raid. Remember it's a victimless crime. I'm just trying to get you to contribute something positive to the discussion, and thank you for your effort.

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    Re: cockfighting law in oklahoma

    pops
    i never say to many things but your negativity is making me wonder?are u with us or against us?

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    So how about this we let the Indians pit the roosters and just us whites watch..LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by pops View Post
    I suspect that neither the feds or the state had the right to charge the natives because it was a victimless crime... But do not quote me cause I really don't know... I think I read in the court ruling that the natives had the right to (for lack of a better word) "police" themselves... but read the ruling for yourself

    The court on page 10 of it’s ruling states “ We conclude by emphasizing that our holding does not create a “safe haven” for “fanatic cockfighters”[sic] as the government contends. The State of Oklahoma has jurisdiction to prosecute victimless crimes, such as cockfighting, committed in Indian country by a non-Indian."
    I would read the remark about "fanatic cockfighters" as the judges getting on to the prosecutors.

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    Thats a good idea mike if it would work...lol... Could be that loop hole

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    Quote Originally Posted by pops View Post
    read it as you wish but I read it as it was a direct quote from the prosecutors who were being overly dramatic and the judges were being sarcastic.
    Would not sarcasm be an admonishment? After all didn't they over turn the conviction?
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    Any way I appluad Mr. Langford for fighting against what he felt was an injustice. I'm sure many people told him he couldn't win. Most just paid the fine, but he fought.

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    i applaud mr. langford for his galent victory. i also applaud B.L. COZAD for his efforts. i am going to say my peice here. at least these people are doing something to fight back the law is unconstitutional period! wheather the indians help remains to be seen. here is why you walk in their casinos you have one chance in whatever to win you walk in a cock fight you have 50% 50% chance to win. lot of money in indians pocket in the casino bussiness. cockfighting is an ageless sport where men and woman test their fowl. casinos are a one way street for the indians. if you do not believe me go put 100.00 in the casino machines and see what you walk out with. if you go to the cock fights you have a 50% chance to win 50% chance to loose. casinos 0% just my two cents cannot see them helping us! yfis charlie

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    Harvesting is a great word to use. As its less offensive and by definition is 100% accurate. The only reason so many gamefowl people havent grabbed on to the term is ignorance to the language and the use of it.

    Harvest - The act of process of gathering a crop. The crop that ripens or is gathered in season. The amount or measure of the crop gathered in a season. The time or season of such gathering. The result of consequence of an activity

    vest·ed</SPAN>, -vest·ing, -vests.
    v.tr

    To gather (a crop).
      1. To take or kill (fish or deer, for example) for food, sport, or population control.
      2. To extract from a culture or a living or recently deceased body, especially for transplantation: harvested bone marrow.
    1. To gather a crop from.
    2. To receive (the benefits or consequences of an action). See synonyms at reap.

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