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    Mga kasabong, tanong ko lng ano ho ba ang mgandang gawin para tumangkad ang mga cockerels nyo at pampabilis nila magsilaki. salamat ho

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinoyinksa View Post
    Mga kasabong, tanong ko lng ano ho ba ang mgandang gawin para tumangkad ang mga cockerels nyo at pampabilis nila magsilaki. salamat ho
    try mo forza animale (animal growth booster)

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    try mo sir Cherifer or Growee para tumangkad, hehehhe joke lang

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    Height is dictated by genetics,they cannot be taller than what their genes tells them to,I mean,we can't get good stationed chickens if we use short stationed materials,however they can't reach their full genetic potential if they are not healthy. Good genes plus health results to better chickens.

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    One more thing,don't let them grow too fast,it may lead to disformities such as piki,sakang..etc..let them grow at their normal pace,if you let them grow fast their legs will just get longer but weak and can't properly support its body weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRSL527 View Post
    One more thing,don't let them grow too fast,it may lead to disformities such as piki,sakang..etc..let them grow at their normal pace,if you let them grow fast their legs will just get longer but weak and can't properly support its body weight.
    Thanks for the reply mga sir... i have some cockerels feeling ko napakabagal ng pagtanggkad nila as they are full with vitamins and feeds adlibidum. nyhow, thanks for the input mga sir...

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    Pre Edwin musta na mukang italian brand yan ah. ok yan
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    try mo forza animale (animal growth booster)

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    ako i put growee in their water... for how many years, ive experimented.. same batch of chicks, same parents, one batch i put growee, one batch i with held.. mas maganda station nung batch with growee...

    one time what i did was, one batch i gave growee in their water, as directed by forza animale, one batch i injected 0.1cc directly sa bibig ng sisw.. the ones i gave the concentrated growee to did not gain height.. while the ones i put growee in their drinking water, showed better station...

    i dont know if it's just me, or if theres something wrong with my controlled and variable components.. pero i ended up with the conclusion that it does help, probably by giving the chicks the vitamins they have deficiencies on? or maybe chlorella really has a growth component to it.

    i also tried forza animale (made by tiny meneses' tynor, same manufacturer as that of cherifer).. and growee (by unilab).. there's not a big difference between the two really in terms of outcome. I use growee as it is relatively cheaper than forza. i recently saw, forza animale Double strength but i have yet to try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_archangel View Post
    ako i put growee in their water... for how many years, ive experimented.. same batch of chicks, same parents, one batch i put growee, one batch i with held.. mas maganda station nung batch with growee...

    one time what i did was, one batch i gave growee in their water, as directed by forza animale, one batch i injected 0.1cc directly sa bibig ng sisw.. the ones i gave the concentrated growee to did not gain height.. while the ones i put growee in their drinking water, showed better station...

    i dont know if it's just me, or if theres something wrong with my controlled and variable components.. pero i ended up with the conclusion that it does help, probably by giving the chicks the vitamins they have deficiencies on? or maybe chlorella really has a growth component to it.

    i also tried forza animale (made by tiny meneses' tynor, same manufacturer as that of cherifer).. and growee (by unilab).. there's not a big difference between the two really in terms of outcome. I use growee as it is relatively cheaper than forza. i recently saw, forza animale Double strength but i have yet to try it.
    sir archangel: from what age do you start and stop to give growee in the drinking water? do you give it daily or just on a days/wk basis. thanks for sharing...

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    Ang mga Madigan Clarets ko na galing sa Red Fox Farm ay low to medium station. Lahat ng Sagupaan feeds, vitamins, etc. binibigay kong todo sakanilang lahat pero talagang nasa genetics nila ang pagka bansot. Pero wala naman akong ma reklamo sa style ng laban dahil magaling, aggressive at mabilis naman.

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    Kami po we give lyvit z syrup sa aming mga chicks, alternate ng tiki tiki. araw araw po yan at so far ok naman sila. nag stop na ako sa age nila na 3 months old sa pag bibigay ng vitamins dahil sa tingin ko healthy na sila. once a week binibigyan lang namin sila ng tiki tiki, and of course deworm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jahn gloria View Post
    Kami po we give lyvit z syrup sa aming mga chicks, alternate ng tiki tiki. araw araw po yan at so far ok naman sila. nag stop na ako sa age nila na 3 months old sa pag bibigay ng vitamins dahil sa tingin ko healthy na sila. once a week binibigyan lang namin sila ng tiki tiki, and of course deworm.

    sir paano ang pagbibigay mo ng tiki tiki or lyvit z syrup s kanila? pinapatak ba ito s bibig or inihahalo sa inumin nila? if halimbawa merong gamot like electrogen or pyristat, or laktamino ang kanilang inumin, kelangan pa rin ba sila bigyan ng lyvit z or tiki tiki? please advice. thank ho...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pinoyinksa View Post
    sir paano ang pagbibigay mo ng tiki tiki or lyvit z syrup s kanila? pinapatak ba ito s bibig or inihahalo sa inumin nila? if halimbawa merong gamot like electrogen or pyristat, or laktamino ang kanilang inumin, kelangan pa rin ba sila bigyan ng lyvit z or tiki tiki? please advice. thank ho...
    ok good question sir, hindi po ninyo pwede ihalo ang ibang gamot sa vitamins dahil mawawala ang bisa ng gamot ninyo or ng vitamins, mapapanis po yan. sa umaga sir binibigyan namin sila ng vitamins hinahalo namin sa water linalagay namin ang vit sa waterer, sa tanghali fresh water na. sa aming unang mga batch sir halos hindi kasi kami gumamit ng mga gamot dahil nag bakuna kami, so importante pa din ang vaccine for me. yan siguro ang key para maging healthy ang chicks mo.

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    [QUOTE=doublesweeters;3633797]matanung nga sir di po ba ang gamot or vitamins para sa tao eh hindi tumatalab sa mga manok?dhl sadyang ginawa ito na pang tao lang...correct me if i am wrong..dagdag knowlegde narin..kc gumagamit kami nung una ng mga vitamins pang tao tulad ng revicon,enervon,centrum para sa manok pero sad to say parang walang epekto sa manok...kaya change brand na kami na tlagang pangmanok na yung binibigay nming vitamins at pangkondisyon...nasabi nyo na nagbibigay kayo ng tiki tiki sa manok nyo di po ba pangsanggol lng po ito?[/QUO


    for me sir ok naman result sa amin ng mga nasabi kong vitamins, pang pagana lang naman po lahat ang binibigay ko. at itong na-mention ko na lyvit z ay alternative lang ng growee na may chlorela. mas cheaper kesa sa branded. sa gamot naman po pang condition i dont use medicine pang tao talaga tulad ninyo, sa vitamins lang talaga pang sisiw. sa tiki tiki sir madami na din kasi gumagamit nyan kahit big time breeder. any other brand sir na alam ninyo pang pagana kumain na ihahalo sa water?

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    for me sir ok naman result sa amin ng mga nasabi kong vitamins, pang pagana lang naman po lahat ang binibigay ko. at itong na-mention ko na lyvit z ay alternative lang ng growee na may chlorela. mas cheaper kesa sa branded. sa gamot naman po pang condition i dont use medicine pang tao talaga tulad ninyo, sa vitamins lang talaga pang sisiw. sa tiki tiki sir madami na din kasi gumagamit nyan kahit big time breeder. any other brand sir na alam ninyo pang pagana kumain na ihahalo sa water?[/QUOTE]

    so bale sir paano gagamitin ang tiki tiki sa mga sisiw, bale ipatak ho sila sa bibig ng mga sisiw or ilagay sa waterer... then how many times ho dapat gawin ito for 1 week? salamat ho sir jahn gloria

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    Quote Originally Posted by jahn gloria View Post
    ok good question sir, hindi po ninyo pwede ihalo ang ibang gamot sa vitamins dahil mawawala ang bisa ng gamot ninyo or ng vitamins, mapapanis po yan. sa umaga sir binibigyan namin sila ng vitamins hinahalo namin sa water linalagay namin ang vit sa waterer, sa tanghali fresh water na. sa aming unang mga batch sir halos hindi kasi kami gumamit ng mga gamot dahil nag bakuna kami, so importante pa din ang vaccine for me. yan siguro ang key para maging healthy ang chicks mo.

    so bale sir paano gagamitin ang tiki tiki sa mga sisiw, bale ipatak ho sila sa bibig ng mga sisiw or ilagay sa waterer... then how many times ho dapat gawin ito for 1 week? salamat ho sir jahn gloria

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    magic : hi brad! usually as early as a week old i start giving it to them na, usually 3 consecutive days ko hinahaluan ng growee yung water nila.. nagrorotation ako sa tubig nila.. bale 6 days yun either with vitamins, electrolytes or medication, and then 1 day na just plain water lang.. i usually stop at 3 months.. puro electrogen nalang sila dun!

    EPG5_Backyard : hirit lang ako brad hehe, baka its time na subukan mo yung kalaban ng sagupaan. hehe

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    Malaking tandang,malaking inahin ,malalaki din ang anak.. mabansot man ,,di masyadong kaliitan. Genes ang nagdidictate talaga...Di mo man maibigay sa ngayun ang lahat ng supplements,bumagal man ang paglaki,,delayed lang,,aabutin din nila yung height na dictated ng genes sa tamang panahon.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by thatch View Post
    Malaking tandang,malaking inahin ,malalaki din ang anak.. mabansot man ,,di masyadong kaliitan. Genes ang nagdidictate talaga...Di mo man maibigay sa ngayun ang lahat ng supplements,bumagal man ang paglaki,,delayed lang,,aabutin din nila yung height na dictated ng genes sa tamang panahon.....
    salamat mga bossing sa mga input... malaking tulong ito sa mga bagong katulad ko sa pagmamanok... usually meron akong ginagamit every week na sarili kong program ng vitamins nila; pakitingnan nga mga sir kung ok ang ganito every month procedures ko:

    for 1 month program:

    day 1 - 1 week = 3 days fresh water, 2 days dextrose powder, 2 days pure water.

    2 weeks old = 2 days laktamino xe + viminolak red cell, 3 days electrolytes, 2 days pure water.

    3 weeks old = 2 days pyristat powder or pyristat solution, 3 days electrolytes, 2 days pure water.

    4 weeks old = 2 days vermex eco, 3 days electrolytes, 2 days pure water.

    for 2nd month procedures;

    1st week = 2 days doxilac or baxidil, 3 days electrolytes, 2 days pure water..

    AND yung the rest ay same procedures na.

    ok lng ho ba ang ganyang ginagawa ko. I need advice and opinions sa mga expert nating kasabong. salamat ho ng marami.. if merong kulang ho ay sana ma input na lng ho.. so far wala pa hong nagkakasakit or kahit sipon or bulutong sa mga sisiw ko... b1b1 lng ho pala ang gamit ko na vaccine sa knila pagdating ng 2nd week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_archangel View Post
    magic : hi brad! usually as early as a week old i start giving it to them na, usually 3 consecutive days ko hinahaluan ng growee yung water nila.. nagrorotation ako sa tubig nila.. bale 6 days yun either with vitamins, electrolytes or medication, and then 1 day na just plain water lang.. i usually stop at 3 months.. puro electrogen nalang sila dun!

    EPG5_Backyard : hirit lang ako brad hehe, baka its time na subukan mo yung kalaban ng sagupaan. hehe
    Masyado pa naman maaga kasi ang pinaka matanda sa lahat ng F1s ko ay 3 months palang. Hintayin ko silang umabot ng 1 yr. old bago ako mag decide kung mag switch ako ng feeds. Pero yung lahat na crosses malalaki sila para sa age nila. Yung mga pure Claret lamang ang mababa tignan compared to the rest.

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    ang galing mo thatch tama ka dyan ang manok kapag matangkad ang lahi talagang ganoon ang labas dati meron akong sisiw ung kasabay nya naunang lumaki pinabayaan ko lang siya sa range akala ko bansot nadelay paglaki makaraan ilang buwan halos one year nalampasan niya ang lahat ng nauna sa kanya etong manok na eto naging 5x winner sipunin noog maliit genes nya lahi ng matangkad be natural kung anong lahi iyun huwag masyado sa science peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_archangel View Post
    ako i put growee in their water... for how many years, ive experimented.. same batch of chicks, same parents, one batch i put growee, one batch i with held.. mas maganda station nung batch with growee...

    one time what i did was, one batch i gave growee in their water, as directed by forza animale, one batch i injected 0.1cc directly sa bibig ng sisw.. the ones i gave the concentrated growee to did not gain height.. while the ones i put growee in their drinking water, showed better station...

    i dont know if it's just me, or if theres something wrong with my controlled and variable components.. pero i ended up with the conclusion that it does help, probably by giving the chicks the vitamins they have deficiencies on? or maybe chlorella really has a growth component to it.

    i also tried forza animale (made by tiny meneses' tynor, same manufacturer as that of cherifer).. and growee (by unilab).. there's not a big difference between the two really in terms of outcome. I use growee as it is relatively cheaper than forza. i recently saw, forza animale Double strength but i have yet to try it.
    Tama po kayo amas maganda ang groweemas athletic ang manok. Mas maganda kumilos sila.nagtataka mga kapitbahay namin sa bitaw ng 7 months namin mas mature compared sa kanila. kung tutuusin mas magaganda ang breeding materials nila branded sa amin generic lang

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    Hello Francis, Im sure Thunderbird feeds has everything na kailangan ng cockerels natin to grow as much as their genetics would allow. The bigger question is paano ba kalagayan ng kanilang digestive system at absorption sa katawan. Kaya dyan pumapasok ang deworming regularly as prescribed. What we do in SSF-kaizen GF is nagbibigay kami ng liquid b-12 from Rooster Booster sa inumin as B-12 aids in absorption of essential nutrients. pag nagpunta ka sa farm minsan pakita ko sa yo gamit namin. After 5 months bobombahin namin ng Poultry Cell para buo na katawan pag harvest. So far ok naman resulta. Another factor also yung nadadaig sa pagkain kaya maganda medyo separated by age groups o sobra feeding station para lahat may lugar sa hapag kainan.

    Quote Originally Posted by the_archangel View Post
    ako i put growee in their water... for how many years, ive experimented.. same batch of chicks, same parents, one batch i put growee, one batch i with held.. mas maganda station nung batch with growee...

    one time what i did was, one batch i gave growee in their water, as directed by forza animale, one batch i injected 0.1cc directly sa bibig ng sisw.. the ones i gave the concentrated growee to did not gain height.. while the ones i put growee in their drinking water, showed better station...

    i dont know if it's just me, or if theres something wrong with my controlled and variable components.. pero i ended up with the conclusion that it does help, probably by giving the chicks the vitamins they have deficiencies on? or maybe chlorella really has a growth component to it.

    i also tried forza animale (made by tiny meneses' tynor, same manufacturer as that of cherifer).. and growee (by unilab).. there's not a big difference between the two really in terms of outcome. I use growee as it is relatively cheaper than forza. i recently saw, forza animale Double strength but i have yet to try it.
    Last edited by njyomo; May 15th, 2011 at 08:06 AM.

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    ganito rin ang ginagwa namin sa sisiw
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