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    Whitehackle

    Hey Folks!

    In this advent of Yellow leg hatches,Lemons,Kelsos& Rounheads did anybody still breed this particular strain? What are its STRENGHTS & WEAKNESSES?

    chickenman

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    whitehackles

    please i need help what's the best line of whitehackles and who breed 'em thanks a lot guys

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    Whitehackles

    Are there any whitehackles in P.I from the past to present?

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    I got mine from Charles Claypool

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    i have jack jessup and bob howard murphy whitehackles...

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    One here from John Sears

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    My whitehackle line came from a breeder -not well known but he had them for 30 yrs.Just starting to breed a spangled whitehackle over a spangled Col givens mclean hatch.

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    I just started with the Kearney whitehackle - Floyd Gurley and Steve Strum line.

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    Moselina,
    If I may, I would like to add this question: Is there anyone using the whitehackle to cross with other bloodlines and whatís the result? Iíve heard that itís one of oldest hatch bloodline but somehow itís not that commonly mentioned. Friends, hope you've something to share. Thanks.

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    Golden Eagle Farm of Mayor Juancho Aguirre......Kearney Whitehackles from Oklahoma.

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    north britons of john sears

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    Elson55 I cross my Murphy's with R/H and also with Radio and they make great battle cocks.

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    4spur,
    Thanks for the input.
    A good friend had crossed a possum with a Murphy and looked very promising in the spar at 7 mos. May be it will be tested in sk in few months. In P.I., weíre downgrading the Murphy to 25% and 75% possum.

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    Elson55 If that is the case and you are down to 25% I can think of only 2 things to say.
    1-- your going the wrong way !

    or 2--- Your Murphy's must be running out.

    Are your Murphys the strongest birds on your yard?
    Are they the gamest birds on your yard?
    Are they the cuttinest birds on your yard?
    If the answer to the above questions is yes then you are going the wrong way.
    If the answer to any is no then you have the wrong Murphy blood.
    I was friends with the late Harold Brown and have his Hatch here
    on my place and when i spar the Murphy against the Hatch the Hatch is going to go backwards the Murphy will push him back.They are very strong.
    The only fault they have for the knife is they need a little speed(they are not a real fast bird) and they need a little vertical lift,sometimes a cock will out break them.That is the reason for the r/h and the radio.In the gaff they need nothing.
    These are just my thoughts and mean nothing to anyone but me,you are entitled to your thought's and i respect them also.

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    Gleeson Whitehackles

    I got a pair from the famous Frank Harvey of North Carolina. I am crossing them with Wingate Brownred.

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    4spur,
    Your comments are much appreciated. The Murphys are new in my friendís yard and definitely they came from a good breeder. As mentioned, the first crosses are promising but as a matter of preference we wanted to try battle crosses of 75% sweater and compare them with the 50/50 and the 75% Murphy. Is it the wrong way? Well, we wonít know exactly until itís produced and tested. If itís not classified, whatís the ratio of your roundhead or radio cross? Have you tried them in lk? Thanks.

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    Elson55 I see now what you are trying to do and commend you for your efforts.That is the best way I know of to find the right cross for your cocks.Just be sure to raise enough from each side to be fair to both sides and make a good judgement.
    I use mine 1/2 and 1/2 with the Murphy cock over the r/h or radio hens,this way the stags get the bottom,and power of the murphy and the speed and lift of the r/h or radio. Yes they are great in the l/k.
    Now the late, great ,Mr.Cecil Davis had a family that he made that he called the new albany's, they didn't have any albany blood in them but he bred them in new albany mississippi that's how he come up with the name .Had he lived I think they would of been the best l/k fowl ever!(just my opinion) in breeding if I remember correctly they were3/8 murphy and 5/8 brunner r/h.
    Good Luck l

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    Whitehackles arn't the oldest hatch blood...

    they are whitehackles, I think you mean they were used to create the hatch bloodline.

    4spur your 100% spot on with your comments especially with regard to power and gameness. Pure or 3/4 are great for gaff, but I would try 1/4 or 3/8 for the LK, or maybe a 3-way cross.

    YFIS

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    somebody told me that Sweaters are from Kelsos, and Kelsos are from Whitehackles, and Whitehackles are descendants of ...... asil.

    Compare those three, they have the same features like their parent asil.

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    4spur,
    Thank you for the education and we surely need that wish. Maybe, we will try the Murphy/lacy rh cross for additional sampling of crosses.

    Wedgetail,
    To put in a proper perspective, youíre right, thatís what I meant. Thanks.

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    Sort of...

    Sweaters are from kelso's, kelo's are from Hatch and hatch are from Whitehackles. Whitehackles I don't beleive are from Aseels as they are an old english or irish line, they would be heavy in old english or Briton blood and I would guess some infusion of "asian" blood, perhaps Aseel but I would of guessed spanish.

    But then England did control india for a while so you could be right.

    JMHO
    YFIS

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    whitehackle

    same question as elson's...what does it add to a bloodline? can you fight it pure in lk?:hippie:

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    They will add

    Power, gameness & usually cut.

    I would think they need some speed and possibly breaking ability to be good in LK

    JMHO
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    Wedgetail,

    the 'peacomb' feature comes from asils. Almost all fightingcocks of today has an asil blood in them. It was downgraded so they can fly. And that happened in England and Ireland long time ago, yes your are right. When the Britons and Irish people migrate to the Americas, they brought with them their prize chickens and later becomes the socalled 'American Fowls' we know now. What we should discuss now is ... what type of chicken they were crossed, the asils. One guess i am sure is the 'red jungle fowl'

    What's your guess ?

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    Speed is the only thing a good Murphy cock lacks. They are some of the hardest hitting birds Ive seen.

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    Im confused, Murphy is a whitehackle.
    I read that whitehackles are straight combs, yellow leg
    or whte leg & white underhackles.
    Please confirm
    regards

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    According to a prominent Murphy breeder in Alabama, Murphy might have been the same as the Kearney Whitehackles. Most of them come yellow legged and straight combed.

    We acquired some Murphy/Sweater battle fowls from Alabama and some Murphy/Roundheads from Georgia. They all spar good but I myself like the roundhead cross.... so this is what I just started breeding.

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    ...of course buddy it is very confusing because of so many transfusions nowadays. There are two kind of whitehackles that i know... 1. winered, white underhacks, white feathering on wings and tails, straight comb, and white legs. 2. light reds, white underhacks, white feathering on wings and tails, peacomb, and yellow legs. To be sure it's a whitehackle blood, check their underhacks, and if it's white, then they got the blood. Let's see if somebody knows more about this bloodline and can post it here so we can study more of its origin.

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    got mine from my fren JB ( GOD BLESS HIS SOUL ) and he got his from gibson in the 80's.AWESOME POWER is what they most posses, i cross mine with roundhead, claret, and a little asil (HIROUNDHEAD).

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    any for sale

    any whitehackle for sale in P.I., I would like them to
    cross with my herman pinnon.
    Does herman pinnon also a whitehackle?
    It has also white underhackle.

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