How many bloodlines do you raise and what kind?
How many bloodlines do you raise and what kind?
i would have no more then 3 or 4 to keep sh1t toghter and not mix alot of bloods
How many do u have and what kind?
Personally, i would love to have several so i could experiment more, and not have the boring reds and greys like most people. I hate going to another persons farms and all they raise is reds and greys.... I have noticed that there are less people breeding doms, blues, blacks, and spangles. I have a friend that has 50 lines/breeds and maintains them well. His father and granpa started them and maintained them, until he was able to...
my best advice is to keep it simple because if you try to breed to many it gets hard especially if your just a backyard breeder like me! My brother and I are partners and we have a sweater line, two hatch lines, two kelso lines, three roundhead lines, and a radio line. Now to be able to breed all these lines pure your producing alot of biddies and then you gotta add the crosses your making and sometimes you go away from concentrating on lines crosses that perform well to try new crosses....
Our lines include
blackwater possum sweater
Jim Clem roundhead
Jimmy East roundhead
Cecil Davis kelso
Cardinal Club kelso
Roy Brady Radio
I raise several lines just so i can make more crosses, and i like to keep 2 or 3 brood stocks for each line..
2 strains of our blue legged hatches (dark and light hackle)
Our Strain of green legged hatches (light hackle)
Miner and mountain blues
2 types of hatch leipers
For me I like to keep them few to keep them "solid". And I also make sure each of my battle crosses carry the Hi Action Hatch blood.
Kozura Fowl 3-Families,trying out a grey family so far look promising
Oh yeah forgot my muggs and i have one whitekelso/warhorse
the number of lines you breed should depend on how many fowl you want to raise. so if you had 3 lines and had to have two sides to each family and had to have (at least) 10 stags per side of family (for decent selection)that would be 60 stags a year. now you could rotate the years per breed. rh one year, kelso the next etc etc. i would say all you really need is two families that nick. im in the process of selecting my two out off asil, murphy, roundhead, and lieper. even though i think all the families are good i know that one of them combination of crosses is going to do way better than the rest. so why raise your second best? plus im no big timer, i just love my fowl and raising them.
in my observation to those bigtime well known famous breeders they maintain only some very good bloodlines that taste their flavor in terms of uniformity, Quality, & Winning Lines of their Few bloodlines.For me I think 4 to 5 to 6 bloodlines is enough to maintain such as Sweater, Kelso, Hatch, WhiteHackle,Roudhead,Lemon - you can Outcross to any of the mentioned bloodlines either by 2 or 3 way crosses.
I have a few Lines at my place,
Hugh Norman RH
All these lines except the Hamlin asil I have fight straight bred ( I will fight a straight bred Hamlin in Jan/feb 2012) all the lines cross with each for great 2 way and 3 way Battlecrosses.
Last edited by Matt Dunne; June 3rd, 2011 at 06:16 PM.
lancey dela torre fowl
2 families of grey
butchers (moritz, brassbacks(local))
roundheads (lacy,hugh norman)
flarry eyed greys
regular greys( larry romero)
good recording is the name of the game all this effort is for the love of the game ha ha ha
Thanx for sharing everyone
Just imagined we have to maintained several broodpens in order to maintained the quality of the pures we have that is to avoid inbred depressions, and another sets of broodpens to produce battle crosses. How many brood-pens was that...well your fingers are not enough to count...I'm sure for that.
We are just a backyard breeder. We just crossed them whatever suit our taste. Some of our chickens here "looks like" an Asil grade McLeans cock (5X winner), 2 Brownreds hens, Ormoc Golds, Greys, Kelso-Blueface, and many other lines of which I really don't know what bloodlines they are and we just blend them together like we're using a blender for making tasty shakes in summer.
I just began my breeding program, I decided not to breed reds, I have.
Black, Brown and Blue Hennies
Harold Brown Grey
Looking to add some black fowl next year.
Anyway. As I have mentioned above, I do have lots of fighting chickens here that I couldn't figure out what breds are they, only some of them, but still not really sure... only then that I can compare them w/ the breds that I actually saw. Fighting performances are what I am looking for. Whatever bred they are. Expensive or not, bought or gift, even native chickens...for whatever reason it came to my yard. But if ever I have a choice... I am only planning to bred one or two pure strains of fowl, to avoid confusions... no more no less. (I'm not really good in math, breeding many pures requires more mathematics than art). It could be the Roundhead (not sure yet w/c one of the Lacy or Boston) and the super Golden Sweater (coz they are an all around fighter, an upgraded version of Kelso fighting bird). That is aside from the many other "unknown" strains and crosses I have.
Im a beginner and this is my 3rd year raisen my own birds...i made a decision with the help of a friend to only breed one type of birds..i Breed regular greys only...i use the hens for crossing...i breed different cocks over the hens....kelso, sweater,and some hatch....its so much easier to breed like this..it took me while to find the bottom bird i was looking for...i wanted gameness and power and possible some cut..i think i found it and time will tell...so now all i do is look for the top bird..cutting and ability and brains....its easier when ur beginning to keep it simple...at least its been easy for me...Plus it allows you to buy better top birds when ur foundation is only one breed...thats just how im doing it...very knew to this...but i have a mentor who doesnt tell me but trys to guide me down the path of less trouble and mistakes..
right now i have an established line of Hatch and a line of Pennys Im working with and an established line of Butcher. I would like a good grey blood to cross some with but think about trying a lot of crosses . Still trying to decide on one more.
I got Murphys, asils, muffs, hatch, doms, blues and some black blood.
I am debating on maybe sliming down to just my blues,asils and Murphys.
The doms are same as the JBL doms I took them on a trade for some muffs. My hatch and muffs are the oldest lines I have. They are solid fowl that are rugged. Who knows I might change my mind and keep them all just a pain in ass to keep them all separate when you only raise a handful of roosters each year.
kelso - bobby white @ cecil davis hatch - bates and col givins and brunner roundheads thats enough familiys for me to keep pure and i make enough crosses out of them
Being new its difficult to keep up with doing one family of fowl right..plus it takes extra space to keep some pure line breed birds for just back up sake...just my though
I think one breeder who advocates of breeding only one strain is Tan Bark? He said that in order to maintain a high quality of standards a breeder should only focus of developing one strains of gamefowl so that he can easily keep a standard and improved them easily year after year. Coz to know "everything" about a line takes many yrs and if a breeder spend his lifetime breeding many strains it is hard for him to go to the next upper level of standards.
Frank Shy is a little bit different, he could even be an anti-pure coz rather than being interested in the name of the strains he is more interested in the cutting abilities of his gamefowls...whatever breed they are. Means the individual chickens are more important to him. He also said, make your hen as a pivot and your cock a hub in your breeding.
LOL bill gates...i bought a trio and 3 extra hens.....i used the 3 extra hens to make cross ....i single mated the trio to get started...so yes im pimping out my grey hens....
Thanx for the feedback fellas