December 24th, 2004, 08:16 PM
A good friend of mine(Banate) in the US bought a B15 injectable for me. Thing is, I`m not so sure about it`s usage. Some say it is best to inject it on the breast three consecutive days before the fight, on it`s label it says inject it on the skin two consecutive days before fight day & 4-5 before the fight. Friends, which do you think is the best way to administer this medicine? Before I forget, MERRY X`MAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE!!!
December 25th, 2004, 01:21 AM
DMG 15 or B 15
three consecutive days before the fight is the best way. the main purpose is to prevent polikat after rigid tarining.
December 25th, 2004, 03:02 AM
tama si penni fabros. kasi ang purpose sa gamot nayan ay tina tangal nya ang mga lactic acid sa katawan. na accumulate sa subrang insayo ng manok mo. magaling din to ibigay paka tapus mong mag sparing sa luob ng dalawang araw. para maka labas oli ang mga lactic acid sa katawan na nakapag dudulot ng crumping. atpag ka pagud ng mga muscle. kung sinabi ng label na under the skin di lagay mo sa under ng skin pero pwede rin na ilagay sa muscle. pero kung ako sayo under the skin nalang.
December 26th, 2004, 12:16 AM
Pennie & Jsacayan,
Thanks you guys for the info. Now I know how to use this drug effectively because of your input. Once more, thank you very much!!!
December 27th, 2004, 08:36 AM
looking for advice
i joined for a three cocks derby, what i noticed is that my cock when hit will easily bleed and then easilly die.Im using b complex during my conditioning period, my cock fight good but is easilly off or down. anybody here could give me an advice of how to prevent this problem????
December 27th, 2004, 09:54 AM
b-15 not for cuts
pre nothing can stop a major bleeding if your bird gets cut deep!
no medicine!!!! its just like a garden hose with pressure when poke with a hole, water spurts out of it. Vitamins will not help stop any cut from bleeding especiallyy when its deep and major organs are sliced. clotting medication certainly helps but not if a major artery is sliced.
just my 2 cents
December 27th, 2004, 10:08 AM
B12 and K combo sold by jeffers is the best i have used but if given to close to shotime your roosters wont be sharp.Back up at least 48 hours.
December 27th, 2004, 10:15 AM
with 10 minutes time allowed in our cockfight in the philippines maybe it can help or no help at all. unlike in america or mexico
or knife type maybe i will take a consideration. gaff, sk, lk, ...
December 27th, 2004, 12:08 PM
for you for your reply, its really hard if the cock cut so badly, the bleeding is unstoppable,what really im looking is a kind of medication that could stay my cocks a little bit longer????no matter how bad is the wound??? any ideas???
December 27th, 2004, 08:32 PM
don't forget proper moisture , when your cock is too wet shock come's in much quicker. always try to check their moisture your cock should be empty and dry enough. This make them harder to kill. off course the bloodline your using. some blood lines are tougher than other. hope this help.
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December 27th, 2004, 09:45 PM
If you ask my own opinion, we always control the water intake of our cock 3 days before the fight. Say, 3-5 dips of water after each meal. I don`t know if ever there are drugs to reduce the bleeding of a gamecock that`s been hit but as far as I`m concerned our system works for us. And also, like what others stated before, try to check their body moisture.
December 28th, 2004, 10:36 AM
what bloodlines you think that is harder to kill?????anybody here
December 29th, 2004, 03:18 AM
For me, it`s the Hatch bloodline.
December 30th, 2004, 12:02 AM
No substitute for dead game bloodlines. To minimize blood loss on non-fatal cut (heart), try to mix some ground cinnamon to your point feed and administer either inject able or vitamin-K tablet 24 hours before fight. The cinnamon is a good source of coagulant agent. If you really want your feathered warrior to fight to the end, 3-drops of Nux Vumica before heeling will do the trick. The only setback is your rooster might be sluggish and will not perform to the par especially in humid weather. In the other hand, it might be in your advantage if the fight is at night during derby where humidity is ideal. Itís a matter of compromise.
December 30th, 2004, 05:06 AM
They're all right. But if its hemorrhagic shock you are trying to control.. i agree with moisture control. If the fowls moisture affects its blood viscosity, its hemoglobin on a more diluted state.. hence even a not too fatal blow that hits major vessels meant more blood loss translating to more rapid onset of shock.
Bloodline is definitely a factor, but there are ways to affect rapid blood loss. You can either go with natural conditioning, that is through limitation of oral fluid ingestion. Nutritional, through provision of essential vitamins and minerals to boost red blood cell formation as in the use of B vitamins, particularly B12. Or the use of vasoconstricting medication like ephineprine and Nux Vumica.
I think the best way is to incorporate all the above in the regimen.. cover all bases so to speak. My 2 cents with a beer on hand HIKKK...:lol:
January 2nd, 2005, 08:23 AM
January 2nd, 2005, 05:22 PM
Please kindly share us more your experience regarding the proper dosage of B-15 ( B-15 50mg./ml. ) & ( B-15 250mg./ml. )
January 2nd, 2005, 10:31 PM
Thanks for the info. This surely helps. I will try all the ideas that I`ve gathered and apply the most effective one.A PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU & YOUR FAMILIES!!!
January 5th, 2005, 05:59 PM
B15 prevents the formation of lactic acid in the muscle thereby prolonging the endurance in the fight incase needed. The ability and characteristic of the cock is in its nature already hindi yan kayang baguhin ng B15, however as I mentioned earlier B15 will give you the extra second or minute to throw the last winning blow by prolonging its endurance. Goodluck!!!
January 5th, 2005, 06:52 PM
I use b-15 in tablets not injectable. I dont inject my birds. I use 3 days before the fight. Very good results.
January 6th, 2005, 05:11 AM
A local counterpart of Dr. Blues B15 is Excellence Gamefowl Specialists (Doc Ayong Lorenzo) RESPIGEN B15. It comes in two varieties Injectable( 10ml and 100ml) and Drops (10ml). It is made in Spain.
The marketing tagline of the product is "THE OXYGEN FACTOR". I use Respigen with my fowls.
January 10th, 2005, 06:10 AM
How do you administer the syrup form of B-15 to achieve the desired effect? Will it affect the fighting style of your fowls when this stuff is on-board?
Mabulahong Bag-ong tuig sa tanang sabungero!!!
January 10th, 2005, 08:16 AM
Pina-painom lang yun 4 to 7 drops. 2x to 3x a week. Between the 2 mas immediate ang epekto ng injectable.
I prefer injectable Respigen B15. Pang-patibay sa basaan.
January 11th, 2005, 08:29 PM
Hello there,habagat2000! Happy New Year to you! Would you be kind enough to tell us what company( their BRAND NAME) is selling DMG in the market today? What is the right dosage & timing of its administration? Do you only use this stuff only in conditioning or all year round maintenace( including pre-con)? More Power to you!Thanks!
January 11th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Pre Manny first try in hack fight not bigtime derbies if you're satisfied then continue.Truly I had bad experience with these drugs i stoped using it.Stay with natural conditioning regards to nonong.
May 15th, 2006, 12:41 PM
thats a good advice boots..try it first on hackfights if the dosage works for you & if not you can tweek the dosage thereafter.
May 15th, 2006, 08:57 PM
A wet rooster may cut but a bit sluggish (walang direction ang palo) but when wounded it will bleed profusely as the cause of death.
A dry rooster may have a longer life when it comes to drag fights but they are short cutters.
Experience will teach us if they are wet or dry. Keep it with the right moisture.
June 6th, 2007, 10:22 PM
June 6th, 2007, 10:53 PM
June 6th, 2007, 10:53 PM
Re: B15 Injectable
the directions sound like the nite owl method for b-15.If the fight is on sat. i give .1cc on thurs,.15cc on fri, and .20cc on saturday morning after i turn in weights.It helps as a fatigue fighter.