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    The Albany History

    This is written by E.T. Piper and was publishe in the Grit And Steel mag some years ago. Enjoy....

    Back years ago or more, Mr. hatch of Long Island, N.Y., fought a main in Eastern New York. When we arrived home, he found someone had stolen three cocks from his shipping coops, the ones he had taken along for the main. Two of them were yellow legged and one a green leg. While the men who have us our information said they would take their oaths they didn't know who stole these cocks, they did know who eventually got them. The two yellow legs were bred and produced nothing worthwhile. "Army" Fox of Utica, N.Y. got the green leg. He was a large, straight comb, broad backed, dark red, with green legs. Army later talked with Mr. Hatch about having the cock, and he told him what he was, that all of that family were straight combs, etc. Army said he would send and get him. His friend told him the cock had died, and that he wasn't his type of chicken anyway. However, he had raised two or three stags form him , and a hen that was in breeding, Pogmore Whitehackle and Henny, and offered to send Army one of the stags. When he arrived, he was a beautiful, long feathered, large stag, black and red in color. He was bred to the Slade Roundhead hens and a dozen or so stags were produced. About half of them looked like Hennies, and while game, better than the Hennies, and that's about all that could be said of them.About this time and for some years previous, Tom Foley of Troy, N.Y., had a strain of extras good ginger colored fowl, and Army Fox sent to him and asked for a good cock to breed. Just about this time the Albany crowd had one of his Gingers, a spangle (and the only one out of 50 or so to come that color), to fight in the main. He was a big cock and didn't fall in (but in a hack after the main won a very classy battle), and was sent on to Army Fox for a brood cock. Army bred him to the pullets, or perhaps hens by then, that were sisters to the Henny stags that were out of the Hatch Pogmore Henny cock and Slade hens. This mating, for some unknown reason, produced all very small fowl, 4.0, 4.04, 4.06, etc., too small for practical purposes although they were exceptional fighters and very game. Practically all of them were given away.Shortly after this, Army met a friend of his in Albany, whom we must refer to as Mr. X. He had always had gamefowl, but a few years before had gotten into politics. At that time, he gave up the fowl. Army suggested he get back in the game again, that new blood was needed among the big shots, and especially new blood with a bankroll. He laughed and said perhaps he would, but where would he get good fowl? To make a long story short, he took the pullets or hens Army had that were bred from the Foley Ginger cock and hens that were Slade Roundhead, hatch-Pogmore Henny. He got, form the Hardy Bros. Of Niagara Falls, one of their Mahogany cocks known as "The Sneak" (due to a habit he had of ducking under his opponent) and bred them together. This mating produced what were known as the strait Albanys; very uniform, awfully game cocks, but not good enough to compete with the topnotchers.From here on, our previous writings on these fowl are correct. A Pine Spangle was bred to the Albany hens and produced cocks that were invincible for five or six years. When he died, a Claret cock bred to the same hens and other Clarets down to Mr. X's "Caseys" of today were what he had. Offshoots of the family have proven awfully good. The Bradford fowl, Laws Clippers, Hard, Cox fowl, Keefer, and many more all contain the blood. In spite of the numerous and varied crosses that have been made, these fowl today are surprisingly uniform in looks and in action and winning qualities. We know of nothing better, not few as good. jus thought id add another note from the letters of Mr.Andrew O'Connor wrote in 1904 of the origan of the Albanys he made and there complete make up...1902 TIL 1913 Andrew O'Conner and Henry deans fought chcikens and was advid cockers of new york and Henry Deans fought the red fowl-Deans and O'Conner had received 2 stolen hens .1yellow leg p combs,1 st comb hen of the Herman Duryea fowl that was supposedly gifted to Mr Hatch and crossed into the deans..When O'Conner learned of the hens being stolen he brought them to Sanford and returned the fowl.then sanford told him to keep the hens and wished hin success with them and would like to see them fight .O'Conner also stated he would not let a feather of these fowl out in THE albany area...The P comb hen was killed by a dog and the straight comb hen had 11 biddies....During this time Andrew O'Conner moved to maryland and brought with him these fowl..Mr Sanford Hatch was at this time joining forces with infamous Mike Kearny and was croosing the duryeas into the brown reds...Andrew P O'Conner raised fowl from the biddies for 14 years and perfected some of the most outstanding fowl of this time,along discarding the deans entirely...In 1907 O'CONNER GAVE 2 PULLETS ,I black red of the deans and one wheaton hen that was given to John H.Madigan ......Previously o'onner gave Madigan a Hen that was out of the original matings of the Deans Hatch-duryeas.....when madigan was walkin stags for Henry Dean ,black red stag with white leggs ,bred to the albany pullet..the old hen stole the nest and came out with a clutch of eggs all white legged and yellow legged wine colored chcickens........1922..AndrewO'Conners letter to Mr.Marvin Anderson. of alabama...till this day i have kept the same blood as the stolen Sanford fowl Hens and the HernyDean Cock and they have been as i know it as good as i ever have seen and deep game..the Duryea blood is as sound fowl from hatch and Sanford and Mike are dominating here in the far north .them and the brown red crosses are very hard to beat...Marvin ,hope to see you and Scott again at the orlando tournament in april...Your friend Andrew P. O'Conner JAN 11 1922.............THOUGHT ID ALSO SHARE SOME LIGHT ON THE O'CONNER ALBANIES AS WELL.......YFIS BLUFFCREEK

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    markatlas

    Bro huwag mo naman sanang ikagagalit...

    pabayaan mo lang si Lhino007 na magbigay ng thread nya. Informative na man di ba? Kapag ibinigay nya ang site na source ng kanyang nalalaman, lahat tayo na gustong kumuha ng info doon na mag-oopen. Makalimutan na natin si Lhino007... Give him due credits and the appreciation pare!!!

    Maging resourceful ka na rin markatlas. Hanap ka na lang ng iyong topic... KJ mo naman bro!!!

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    ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhsige fyt na !!!!!!!!!!!!

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    oops albany ay very interesting topic - pls ibuhos na ninyu ang mga alam ninyu about albany.

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    ayan na naman kayo.....ala sige larga!!!!!!!!!!!!!:crazy: :crazy: :sprcool:

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    MARKATLAS,
    DONT WORRY SIR I-ROBOT TAYO BIONIC EYES,
    BIONIC HANDS MEGA TRILLION MEMORY BANKS ,1MILLION HORSEPOWER , WALANG KWENTA SA ATIN YAN. ANG IMPORTANTE
    MA I SHARE NATIN ANG KOKONTING HISTORY SA MGA FILIPINO
    KAKMEYTS NATIN PARA MAGING MASIPAG SILANG BUMUO NG MGA
    SARILI NILANG LAHI SA MGA BREED NA ITO AT HINDI UMASA SA MGA COME FROM U.S BREED DAHIL SILA RIN KINUHA O IPINUSLIT
    ANG MGA LAHI NILA GALING SA MGA IBAT IBANG LUGAR AT BANSA
    AT PINALITAW NILA ANG KANI-KANILANG SARILING LAHI O BREED
    OUT OF ALL THIS FOWL . ITS TIME NA MAGKAROON TAYO NG SARILI NATING BREED NA MATATAWAG NATIN SA MGA PANGALAN
    NATIN . COME TO THINK ABOUT IT KAPATID THE LARGEST ARENA COCKPIT IN THE WHOLE WORLD IS IN PHILIPPINES TAPOS IISANG LEGITIMATE NA PANGALAN LANG ANG PASOK NG PINAS YAN ANG ZAMBOANGA WHITES ANG TRUE COCKER HE BUILDS IS OWN BREED AND KEEP ON EXPERIMENTING UNTIL HE ACHIEVE IS
    GOAL OF BUILDING HIS OWN ORIGINAL BREED. SANA MAKATULONG NG KONTI .AT PARA MAWALA ANG BILIB NA MAS MAGAGALING AT MAIINAM ANG MGA U.S BREED.THAT WAS CENTURY AGO ITS OUR TIME NOW KAPATID ITS TIME TO SHOW THE GAMEFOWL WORLD KUNG ANONG MERON TAYO. LETS FALLOW THE FOOTSTEP OF MR. MONCHING MITRA A GOOD TRUE
    EXAMPLES OF WHAT A GOOD TRUE BREEDER.
    :hat: :hat:

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    albany

    MGA BOSING


    AKO IS WAEL LINES MALAPIT NA MAG KABUO ALBANY X KON ANOI HEHEH

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    lhino007
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    SIR MARKATLAS
    OK KA TALAGA DIYAN SA CAL. BAGO AKO UMUWI NG PINAS SA APRIL DAANAN KITA PARA MAKAPAG PASYAL TAYO DIYAN SA MGA STRIP JOINT PARA MAKAKITA AKO NG CALIFORNIA BABES DITO SA IL. HINDI MARUNONG MAGHAIT NG ALAM MO NA
    AT MAKAPUSLIT NG MGA PURE BREEDS MO :lol: :lol: :lol:

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    markatlas,

    Ang suggestion mo kasi pang close na sa topic na ito. Paano madagdagan nalalaman natin pag automatic tayong pumunta sa site na pinag-kokopyahan ni Lhino007? Dito kasi bro kahit nagbabasa lang tayong dalawa pero pareho na rin tayong naghihintay ng karagdagang informasyon o latest improvement na ginagawa ng iba tungkol sa Albany Line breeding. Huwag mong limit ang topic na ito sa HISTORY... hindi tayo aasenso nyan sa larangan ng Cocking!!!

    :lol: :crazy: :lol:

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    lhino007
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    mga utol huwag na kayong mag away next week padalhan tayo
    ng post thread michael Kerni Na taga DUNKIRK NY. tungkol sa mga Albany na namana niya sa Lolo niya na walang iba Kung hindi
    Si Mr. X'Casey Of Albany NY. at malalaman natin talaga ang mga facts at mga totoong blood line ng albany bago naging albany.
    ang post ko sa kanya ay maraming fans ang lolo niya at mga albany's na manok nila dito sa atin sa pilipinas . ang number one facts na alam ku palang sa manok kanya tinawag na albany ay dahil Doon Nag umpisa ang Breeding line SA ALBANY NY. kaya maghintay tayo ng konti mga kapatid a little patience lang.:hat:

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    lhino007
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    Bosing markatlas lang tuloy lang ng tukoy baka manahimik at
    magdabog ang kaibigan natin RX-D baka maging itutuloy o to be continued ang series natin sa albany ,, baka bumagsak bigla ang topic natin sa mga irish birchen.

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    markatklas RX-D
    another facts i could share to you guys !
    Mr. Jhonny Moore Albany's ancestor are Pure M. whitehackle and Pure Claret these are the crossed breed of Jhonny Moore albany. But if you wanna see the awesome brassy back albany's
    visit this web site they are on page two www.thesteelmagnolia.com from mr. magnolia himself the purest among the purest albany . on page one you will also see the
    none blemish pure lacy roundhead a very great site to see specially the fowl perfect pics.:hat:

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    Here's another related story of Albany..Enjoy reading and don't be confuse.


    ED PINE, FRANK STRYKER AND THE ALBANY COMBINE
    By.E.T. Piper


    Ed Pine was born and lived all his life at south Cairo, New York in the foothills of the catskill mountains. It was also home of Frank Stryker, another cocker, don't get Frank Stryker and Jack Stryker mixed up. Jack lived in New Jersey and had fowl of various kinds, including greys. they were not related and it `s doubtful if they were acquainted with one another. Frank Stryker eventually became a member of what some refereed to as the "Albany combine" that is Billy Lawman, John Hoy and others who controlled the Lawman white hackles and muffs : considered by men living today, who saw them in their prime, as the greasiest fowl ever to land on these shores. they came to Billy lawman at Schenectady, new York from his father in the north of England near the Scottish border, hence the name "north brittions" which, I believe, was first applied to them in this country, in the early 1900 `s, frank Stryker was fighting a family of Charley Brown Shawlnecks that were very good fowl. This was in what cockers have always referred to as "eastern 'New York State and the vicinity, which included south Cairo. Stryker was very successful with his Shawlnecks and was considered quite a cocker. along about this time, john hoy moved to Albany, N.Y. from Brooklyn/NJ, in short order, he became associated with Billy lawman with his muffs and white hackles. hoy was an outstanding cocker and feeder, and he and lawman soon began going to town with their fowl, one of their early victims was frank Stryker and his shawls. friend `s of frank tried to console him by saying he got some tough breaks, but he was too smart a cocker to swallow that. he said the cocks that beat him were the best he ever saw, that he would not only never try to beat them again, he was going to try to and get in with hoy and lawman and get some. that is exactly what he did, he crossed them over his charley brown shawls and began going to town with the cross. they where outstanding fowl in every way Lawman and Hoy fought some of them and did equally well with them. they { the cross} became known as Stryker whitehackles. Shawlnecks and white hackles have always been almost identical in appearance and the cross made a family outstanding, typical whitehackles. in referring to these fowl , i say the cross made the stryker whitehackes,but i may be and probaly am, in error there for this reason,after stryker got in with Hoy and Lawman, he could get anything from them he wanted.exactly how he bred from then on no one would know for sure.all that is known for certain is that the stryker white hackle were a combination of blood of Lawman whitehackle and Charley Brown shawl. probaly, if the lawman blood was as outstanding as it was claimed, he leaned in that direction with his breeding and put in more lawman blood,cutting down on the shawl. the combine went to town to beating everyone as Billy lawman said, from new York City to buffalo, NY it has been said they beat Kearney and Duryea five times out of six and Dennis mahoney and many others old-timers. mahoney died in 1907, so many of these mains must have been between 1902 and 1907 when mahoney died. i believe John Hoy fed most of their mains. there were no tournaments or derbies in those days. somewhere between 1902 and 1915 which is closer to the time Stryker died, Ed Pine, was a tall,gamgly young fellow and helped Stryker work his cocks and also walked them, Stryker had been a butcher and it was said his wife was an Indian, or part Indian, who knew nothing about and cared less about her husband `s chickens. so when Stryker died suddenly, Ed Pine fell heir to all of the Stryker fowl. from then on, they were known as Ed Pine `s strykers.lawman dided somewhere between 1911 and 1920, and Hoy went along with his lawman fowl and pine with his Stryker fowl. both did exceptionally well. hoy died in 1929 but had been inactive several years previous due to old age. Pine, between 1915 and 1935 when for practical purposes quit the game. probably fought more mains and won a larger majority than any cocker who ever lived in this county.





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    Sabagay nag tatalo na tanong ko nga muna kung yan ba ay type mo or copy and paste mo lang kasi nga para masmadali kesa sa type mo pa, ayan tuloy may nagtatalo na hehehehe. Tuloy ang topic tungkol sa Albany at interesado ako, dami na naman ako matututunan nito.

    Jhun

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    Mabuti na lang yoong i cut/copy and paste save pa ang oras, hindi ko gagawin to kung i ta-type pa. Kung sa akin naman walang problema yan, kung magtanong sa WEB site, no secret at all, ibibigay ko! Papaano na lang kung naka down na yong site o disable na, sayang naman. Sabagay marami naman akong na compiled na impormasyon tungkol sa pagmanonok lang. Baka mai restore ku pa yong back-up ko at mai share ko sa inyo mga kakmeyts pag may oras naman ako.

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