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    Question Breeding methods

    I know this is a touchy subject but here it goes.

    BASIC CROSSING

    pure hatch x pure kelso = 1/2 hatch 1/2 kelso

    pure hatch x 1/2 hatch 1/2 kelso= 3/4 hatch 1/4 kelso

    pure hatch x 3/4 hatch 1/4 kelso= 7/8 hatch 1/8 kelso

    5/8 & 3/8

    3/4 hatch 1/4 kelso x 1/2 hatch 1/2 kelso = 5/8 hatch 3/8 kelso

    3/4 hatch 1/4 kelso x pure kelso= 5/8 kelso 3/8 hatch

    Theological BREEDing

    I have found that a few theorys on breeding has produced finer quality battle fowl. i like to breed grandsons to grandmas to get my 5/8 and 3/8 in theory it keeps the gene pool close.

    Hatch cock A x Kelso hen B = 1/2 hatch 1/2 kelso (hen B's son/daughter)

    Hatch cock A x 1/2 hatch 1/2 kelso= 3/4 hatch 1/4 kelso ( hen B's grand children)

    3/4 hatch 1/4 kelso x kelso hen B = 5/8 kelso 3/8 hatch

    it is important in this breeding you breed the oringenal hen "B" to her grand son............................................... .................................................

    YOUR BREEDING IDEAS

    Now what do you guys do, lets get together and teach each and everyone or just somebody and hopefully me something...

    THANK YOU,
    kyfinest y.f.i.s.
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    Re: Breeding methods

    is it possible to make a 9/16 7/16 cross

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    This is not to discourage or contradict anyone but no matter what numbers are used it seems to me that a cross is a cross. And the progeny will always exhibit traits from both or all branches of the families with dominance being the biggest influence.

    Even if it's 1/16 this and 15/16 that if the original traits of both parties were used in line breeding. Then the progeny will still be as mixed up as the first generation half and half. Maybe it gets more and more difficult to get the opposite traits but it would still be there.

    To "purify" more or less, you will need to chose the male offspring that looks most like his mom in phenotype. Mate him back and again choose the male that most resembles the mom again. Eventually all the offspring will all be pure to the traits of the mom.

    The opposite can also be done with the females to the dad.

    When none of the other traits come out again then you have a pure line ;-)

    Rejoinder: this is true only if the parent you are purifying to is pure for those traits in the first place. If they were crossed for those traits then the offspring will never be pure.

    You will have better chances by mating brother sister with exactly the same traits you like. And carry on that way untill no other trait comes up outside of your specified phenotype.

    But thats just my "theory" extrapolated from my limited breeding experience.
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    Re: Breeding methods

    Quote Originally Posted by jailbird View Post
    This is not to discourage or contradict anyone but no matter what numbers are used it seems to me that a cross is a cross. And the progeny will always exhibit traits from both or all branches of the families with dominance being the biggest influence.

    Even if it's 1/16 this and 15/16 that if the original traits of both parties were used in line breeding. Then the progeny will still be as mixed up as the first generation half and half. Maybe it gets more and more difficult to get the opposite traits but it would still be there.

    To "purify" more or less, you will need to chose the male offspring that looks most like his mom in phenotype. Mate him back and again choose the male that most resembles the mom again. Eventually all the offspring will all be pure to the traits of the mom.

    The opposite can also be done with the females to the dad.

    When none of the other traits come out again then you have a pure line ;-)

    Rejoinder: this is true only if the parent you are purifying to is pure for those traits in the first place. If they were crossed for those traits then the offspring will never be pure.

    You will have better chances by mating brother sister with exactly the same traits you like. And carry on that way untill no other trait comes up outside of your specified phenotype.

    But thats just my "theory" extrapolated from my limited breeding experience.
    "And the progeny will always exhibit traits from both or all branches of the families with dominance being the biggest influence."

    I agree, the crosses will always exhibit traits from both lines, but in my breeding experience when you breed 3/4 and 1/4 crosses for example Hatch Clarets, at 3/4 hatch they hit harder but at 3/4 claret they cutt better, in the hatch/claret case 1/2 and 1/2 was the best cross.

    but in the case of hatch/roundheads the 1/2 and 1/2 were good but the 3/4 hatch 1/4 roundhead could eat the 1/2 and 1/2's for breakfeast

    I think it all goes back to it depends on the line

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    Re: Breeding methods

    Quote Originally Posted by Bama Warrior View Post
    is it possible to make a 9/16 7/16 cross
    Yes,

    7/8 Hatch 1/8 Kelso x Pure Kelso = 7/16 hatch 9/16 kelso

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    Re: Breeding methods

    breed to what makes you happy. if you like 1/2 & 1/2. then just breed to that. breeding should be fun. don't make it a chore.

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    Re: Breeding methods

    Quote Originally Posted by chef11 View Post
    breed to what makes you happy. if you like 1/2 & 1/2. then just breed to that. breeding should be fun. don't make it a chore.
    Yeap,

    If you have a mating that is producing excellent performing 1/2/1/2s, select your top 2 performers that have good conformation and no defects to breed. Select their full sisters with vigorous health, good conformation and no defects. Single Mate @ full brother to 1/2 of his full sisters and the next season switch the cocks. Select, test & cull ruthlessly and continue repeating breeding B/S for several generations, as long as, you keep selecting & breeding vigorous, healthy top performing individuals and culling everything else. You need big #s of mattings & big #s of offspring/ mating, in order to select, test & cull ruthlessly.

    All the Hatch strains (Blue Face, Mc Lean, YLH, etc. ) Kelso strains ( CD, Cardinal Club, etc. ) and Joe Goode strains ( WL & YL greys, as well as the GL greys aka Clements ) started as crosses that somebody inbred & line bred to " purify" most of this strains are still performing good 25, 40, and 50 years after their originators passed away.


    Eventually it becomes your own strain.

    yunke8888
    Last edited by Yunke8888; February 17th, 2015 at 07:18 AM.

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    Re: Breeding methods

    Prepotent families change the fraction in favor of desired performance characteristics in your crosses. Less theoretical math more consistency of performance.

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