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Thread: Proper Conditioning.

  
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    Re: Proper Conditioning.

    I would just like to add.... conditioning is only part of our sport... true conditioning starts in day 1 of our chickens...

    keeping them healthy and strong up to the day they will be pitted will give you good results...

    bananas, conditioning feeds, excersises and meds are just on the latter part of it... sometimes the chorded rooster are beeter than the ones we condition...

    in summarry... keep them healthy, give them the right feed mix, select well and have common sense... we will all have a piece of the pie to enjoy....


    just my two cents...

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    Re: Proper Conditioning.

    carboload 5 days, banana for pointing hours before the fight.

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    conditioning

    Looking for input on conditioning. How do you work your birds. Do you let you birds work them self or do you work them on the bench. If you do either which one and why? Any information will be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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    Re: conditioning


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    Re: Conditioning Method's.

    Hi Mcleanhatch1, Can you explain what is "Vibrating" ? Is it shaking its legs on your hands?

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    Re: Conditioning Method's.

    [QUOTE=chip001;4118195]what kind of stuff do you give them for the carb loading. Im new to this and would like to know. thanks in advance.[/QUOT

    Add some more whole corn during the last days

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    Re: Conditioning Method's.

    I strongly agree with the proper care year round theory but that should go without saying. But as far as just throwing them in a fly pen and that's it I do NOT agree with. For you to be competitive you will have to put them through a keep no matter what the completion is. You will need to give them the best possibly chance at winning anything short of that is just a copout for people that are not good at prepping
    fowl now that's jmo not trying to argue with anyone

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    Re: Conditioning Method's.

    I AGREE! If your going to show your bird! you better have him perform at his highest potential! Winning those blue ribbons is never going to be easy! But if your in the business of throwing money away on your entry fee! Feel free to throw him in the fly and hope for the best.....

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    The above keep is for refence only. And used when legal of course.
    yfis,
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    Re: Conditioning Method's.

    Hey I've gotten better results just with a year around Good health and rotation but with a little more emphesis on the rotating when showing then with any tipe of table exercises and any magical wining drugs . Not trying to argue with anyone ; )

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    Re: Conditioning Method's.

    Everyone has their methods, so try To do what works for you. Some people have full time jobs so do what you can but always remember your never going to be guaranteed a win.

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    young cocker needs advice

    Im a 17 year old student that was born and raised in gamefowl with my grandfather, recently he passed on and i decided to buy some chickens for my own. I bought good roosters that showed alot of potential but i need to know some tips on how to set my keep and pre keep and some all around good tips on conditioning. Any help would be greatly appreaited
    Sincerly,
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    Its all here just search it..

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    Re: young cocker needs advice

    ive been reading the gaff thread for about 15 minutes now and i just realized that handling needs to be a big part of the game too, i was told by a old cocker that it just came with experince but there has to be some things i could learn to help me along

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    This was one of the most helpful posts in the gaff thread before it got closed:

    It was by Sugarcreek

    Watched the video.... one gaff PI rules is hard to watch, because I seen the bird come across the back twice and just know if another gaff tied on it would have been coupled. Basic handling rules

    When at all possible put bird in corner and let him gather himself.

    Couple - place bird in right hand ... take left hand cuff position from the base of the kneck and rub down all the way to the tail. Repeat this over and over until time for pit is called. All the blowing heat and stuff in the world will not do what this simple motion will do... IMOP

    Brain shot - not much you can do but put heat on head .... or what I do is put the birds head facing downward to get blood toward the head.

    Gizzard blow - put handful of water on his vent...

    Lung shot - handle him with care. place him in a corner and let him try to throw it. Surprisingly a lung shot can be over comed so dont give up.... It happens alot depending where or how bad....

    The most important thing is handle your bird gentley and let him gather himself. The less you do a lot of times is better than over handling.

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    This was his next post: With gaff fighting handling is very important because until you seen it done and with the tips you get will make you never give up on a bird or a fight again. I have had knife fighters say they never dreamed that a bird could take so much and win. The determination from your fowl cant be acheived to their last breath without the handling aspect. Some people are worried about cheaters and hard handling, but its not the norm. Really if rules are applied it wont happen but once.

    Rules are simple really... Ready pit... Handle when hung... 20 seconds rest ... ready pit. Repeat...

    When fit gets going a bit and handler ask for count on his last hit. If the birds is hung in opponent... not rest period right back to ready pit. If the handler calls for count at last peck or kick time is on. If bird does peck or strike within 20 seconds... one count is awared to the handler's bird that called for the count.

    If the other bird pecks or strikes then there is no counts.

    3 counts and then a long count that is 22 inches (depends seen 18 inches also) apart. One hand knee high.

    Have to set the birds feet on the line. If bird pecks that doesnt have the count it starts all over but from the short line... 3 counts and then a long count of 20 seconds. No fight from bird without the count fights overs winner the bird that got the count.



    :::::::: I hope that helps you

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    Re: Proper Conditioning.

    thank you jail bird! it was very helpful sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajungreys View Post
    thank you jail bird! it was very helpful sir
    You are most welcome sir.

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    Re: Proper Conditioning.

    very simple for me...

    * year round pre-con of all the cocks

    * 14 days is enough for me.

    * once a week sparring ( at least 2-3 buckles. last sparring is 4-5 days before the fight ( 1 buckle only )

    * amino acids are very impt for the body function and energy. i use a small amount ( 1 teaspoon for feeding of 10 cocks only in the morning ) of protein powder ( the one body builders are using )

    * 2 days of carboloading and keeping is enough for me. i take out the cock from the keeping stall around 12 noon and place them in a scratch pen so that they can stretch out and empty themselves. give them around 15 minutes.

    * i reduce the feeding to 50% during the day of the fight. less power pellet too.

    * i give 5 pcs of banana ( size of a corn ) 1 hour before i go to the pit.

    * on the pit, 1 hour before the fight, i give 3 pcs of power pellets and 1 dip of water.

    * always be attentive and observant to all the movements of your cocks. you should see the killer instinct in their eyes and allertness of their body everytime u show them another cock while pointing them inside your cockhouse.

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    * last but not the least. armed them with the best weapon and an honest gaffer...

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    Re: Proper Conditioning.

    i use a 3 week keep
    but it take 365 days a year of good care and feeding.
    work them, point them, dump them, choose your weapon, and then you pit them.

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    Re: Proper Conditioning.

    what do you mean my "point" them? and how would i do it

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    Re: Proper Conditioning.

    put them on point
    1. no feed day before derby
    2. black out there keep box (try to keep it as dark as possable)
    3. i give 1/4 cc b-12 in breast every day 3 days before derby

    this combination will make theme more alert

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    i hope that helps you let me know

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    what kind of b12 do you use sir? thanks!

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    American regent or any hydroxocobalamine

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