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    I might be pissing some off for saying this but... having read this affidavit, this is exactly the crap that the govt is looking for when they justify outlawing this sport. It has it all...dope, weapons, gambling, children working in the pits, interstate trafficking, you name it. Its hard to defend the sport when they have stuff like this happening on video. I do, however think its lousy that the undercover cops can take an active part in illegal activity, betting, showing fowl, raising battle stock, making knives etc, and then convict others for doing the same thing. I realize its "part of undercover work" but it seems like entrapment to me.

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    Here's some cheese to go with that besides letting chickens do what God almighty permitted them to do all those side illegalities that are committed are not what the majority is about and those side illegalities can be coin-sided with every legal sport

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    Thank you, Sentenciador for making sure it is read. Real big time criminals, these. $30. $40. $50. $80.$e

    Nice to see how globalisation is working for everyone.

    I hope Mr & Mrs Wojtkonski are real proud of their son.

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    And they won a share of the derby?First time entering one and they won?And then they snitched on who they could after the people took them in and treated them like friends?How much tax money was used to finance this investigation?To save the general public from the sport of kings?That most people do not care about.......we would need a billion dollars to battle the whore mongering government and its agents.

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    And they won a share of the derby?First time entering one and they won?And then they snitched on who they could after the people took them in and treated them like friends?How much tax money was used to finance this investigation?To save the general public from the sport of kings?That most people do not care about.......we would need a billion dollars to battle the whore mongering government and its agents.
    Yea,the government made us so much safer by wasting an incredible amount of resources and manpower for so long over a few guys out in the country fighting roosters.and as for mentioning some drugs being found,they are found among every sport or group in this country....the biggest group of people abusing drugs have a doctors blessing,needed or not and you can find one who will hook you up if you or your insurance can pay the price.just a big special interest witch hunt with the animal rights freaks leading the way and law enforcement looking at it like"hey guys this would be an interesting bust and think of the exposure,see we are so hard at work doing our important jobs"justification for these giant agencies to keep getting that taxpayer money.these leeches are draining the financial security of our countries future.just keep borrowing and worry about it later,right?missing kids,gangs,corruption in the govt,homeless,cartel activity,not to mention a failing economy and some idiot sent these undercover rats to bust those bad chicken men I guess because they hurt so many chickens.it just doesn't make sense when you look at the big picture.those guys in that area have been fighting cocks since their ancestors came over from the Ireland and Great Britain over three hundred years ago.and now being turned into criminals by those from the urban controlled government.they are being attacked because they are different and don't have the means to defend themselves.the media always portrays country people,farmers,and those who are poorer rural people as fair game in this country to bash and attack at will.no one will care either because of the media,who seem to make all the rules about who you can persecute and who you can't.we aren't wrong,we just can't make enough noise and don't have enough money to make them leave us alone.

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    one thing i took from it was that they may of had pot growing but had none for sale nor pills for sale until asked by the uc to hook them up numerous times.they also say in the paperwork that they themselves helped ready roosters to fight and also fought them themselves paying the entry fee and handler and even carried the weapons themselves. the only way drugs were sold to them was in the presence of a firearm that they knew was in the home because they had scouted it all out and planned it so they would be around when the dope was for poss. of a firearm during the commission of a drug felony charge. oh and i bet he pinched up the pill and acted like he snorted it i call bull$hit. i feel real bad for the ones involved but just shows you have to be extra careful of who you let in your circle of friends and never discuss anything around someone you don't know very well or better yet just keep it need to know only. i do wonder though how many man hours and cash were spent in this lil fiasco that could have been directed to somewhere else. like lets say feed some homeless people, tighten up on the pill mills so people have to have a real reason to have them instead of i got my script need some moons? i mean come on they ask for pills when they could go get the real source of the problem. pot and untaxed hooch, come on man pots legal or semi in several states and there's at least 5 liquor stores around me. gambling we got the lottery, casinos that's not gambling? let's get some real criminals put that effort in to that for once.

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    Yea,the government made us so much safer by wasting an incredible amount of resources and manpower for so long over a few guys out in the country fighting roosters.and as for mentioning some drugs being found,they are found among every sport or group in this country....the biggest group of people abusing drugs have a doctors blessing,needed or not and you can find one who will hook you up if you or your insurance can pay the price.just a big special interest witch hunt with the animal rights freaks leading the way and law enforcement looking at it like"hey guys this would be an interesting bust and think of the exposure,see we are so hard at work doing our important jobs"justification for these giant agencies to keep getting that taxpayer money.these leeches are draining the financial security of our countries future.just keep borrowing and worry about it later,right?missing kids,gangs,corruption in the govt,homeless,cartel activity,not to mention a failing economy and some idiot sent these undercover rats to bust those bad chicken men I guess because they hurt so many chickens.it just doesn't make sense when you look at the big picture.those guys in that area have been fighting cocks since their ancestors came over from the Ireland and Great Britain over three hundred years ago.and now being turned into criminals by those from the urban controlled government.they are being attacked because they are different and don't have the means to defend themselves.the media always portrays country people,farmers,and those who are poorer rural people as fair game in this country to bash and attack at will.no one will care either because of the media,who seem to make all the rules about who you can persecute and who you can't.we aren't wrong,we just can't make enough noise and don't have enough money to make them leave us alone.
    You forgot to mention the butchering of unborn babies going on left and right too brother......

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    All you have to do is tell a suspected agent to go get a cock off the cord, see how he does it. It will tell you right away if hes an agent or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzo View Post
    All you have to do is tell a suspected agent to go get a cock off the cord, see how he does it. It will tell you right away if hes an agent or not
    Right. Next time you get a visitor, have him take the hitch off and hold the cock. You will already see. Then bill it with him.

    You will spot right away if he or she is a poser. Then talk in linggo only we'd understand.

    You can spot a poser that way.

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    Go to any University or High School and start asking for "pills and marijuana" somebody will help you out. People are generally helpful and help out strangers. It's not a big deal. And unless these cops have lived in a cave since biblical times, they know this.

    They are just sensationalizing it to make their report more dramatical.

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    Sentenciador their prime objective in their lies about gamefowl folks is to dehumanize us with propaganda. They present us as uneducated Neanderthals whose sole interest is drunkenly gambling,the bloodier the better. They will forever slander us as the worst types of people prone to everything from drug dealing to child abuse without rest. The bastards absolutely cannot let the facts be known that we are well adjusted normal citizens and taxpayers.

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    The affidavit was unbelievable......... some donnie brasco crap......... the undercovers completely set up everyone here........ if that guy asked for you to get him some pills , you better make sure he's sniffing or taking them....... everyone let their guard down...... anything with prescription pills is a huge red flag.......

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    I'll tell you what though...... if they really did have Mexican Mafia connections, the special agent here is a dead man walking........ doesn't matter who or what you are.......... if you out them of their cut, they'll cut you...... matter of time until that hits the news.....

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    I'll tell you what though...... if they really did have Mexican Mafia connections, the special agent here is a dead man walking........ doesn't matter who or what you are.......... if you out them of their cut, they'll cut you...... matter of time until that hits the news.....
    That's right. That's why he didn't name any of the "Mafia." He was probably too scared

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    I might be pissing some off for saying this but... having read this affidavit, this is exactly the crap that the govt is looking for when they justify outlawing this sport. It has it all...dope, weapons, gambling, children working in the pits, interstate trafficking, you name it. Its hard to defend the sport when they have stuff like this happening on video. I do, however think its lousy that the undercover cops can take an active part in illegal activity, betting, showing fowl, raising battle stock, making knives etc, and then convict others for doing the same thing. I realize its "part of undercover work" but it seems like entrapment to me.
    You are 100% right on the nose with your statement!

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    Sentenciador their prime objective in their lies about gamefowl folks is to dehumanize us with propaganda. They present us as uneducated Neanderthals whose sole interest is drunkenly gambling,the bloodier the better. They will forever slander us as the worst types of people prone to everything from drug dealing to child abuse without rest. The bastards absolutely cannot let the facts be known that we are well adjusted normal citizens and taxpayers.
    that's exactly right,they will not an cannot tell the truth about us.most of us from this area had relatives that came to this country 300 or more years ago.an you know they brought GAMECOCKS and HENS to breed with them.we been fighting them in these hills an hollows ever since.its our way of life its what we do and that's what we are.they will always say what they will about us.
    oh an about they drugs,this area is in the middle of a huge drug apidemic,you don't have to be a pill head to find them or have a clue about where they may be found.PRESCRIPTION PILLS......let that sink in a minute......if they are PRESCRIPTION....to me that implies they are coming from doctors,so that should be easy enough to solve

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    that's why i mentioned pill mills you want to stop the problem go to the source. as long as you can take a mri and some cash and score all you need and then some you'll always have a pill problem until the cheaper more effective heroin gets there then they'll have a real damn problem.no one thought it would happen in my area but it's starting to come on strong and the gangs are starting to show up in droves. now when i say gangs we're not talking homegrown boys, the real ones have seen the market start to rise and they are here for their cut from different states and countries. just wait for the home invasions, robbing,car jacking, drive by shootings, everything tagged up so you got to watch what you wear and where you wear it, then you may see them start to crack down but by then it's to late the fox is in the hen house so to speak.

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    After reading the affidavit it is plain to see someone's big mouth is what caused all this crap. someone wanting to be a big shot and brag to folks they hardly knew. Like i said before loose lips sink ships and this is a perfect example. You see it way too often folks telling others way to much information. Stupidity just plain stupidity.

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    Wow the F'N Snitch is Fighting, Gambling, Snorting Roxies and Smoking Weed?? How in the Hell can he be a CREDIBLE WITNESS in a Federal Court of Law?? And where did the Money go he won in the Derby?? Is that not Profiting from an Illegal Activity?? Driving across State Lines with the Intent of Commenting a Felony?? Illegal Drug Deals?? Come On Now this Officer seems like the Worst One of the Bunch to Me..
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    isn't this the same method they use when the FEDs busted Hell's Angel's illegal activities? ... but my issue here is not about the method, it is why does the government outlaw cockfighting? this sport has been with us since the beginning of time, if the govt legalized marijuana, why not our beloved sport? smh!!!

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    Its all about the liberal tree hugging agenda there's to many idiots out there that are totally misinformed or just don't care either way and since it doesn't effect them they are either against it to keep up appearances or they truly just think its a bunch of barnyard roosters being (forced) to fight like they do in the dog game but I say to each their own if you choose not to participate then fine but don't demonize those who do animals are meant to be used not loved like kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Rus View Post
    Wow the F'N Snitch is Fighting, Gambling, Snorting Roxies and Smoking Weed?? How in the Hell can he be a CREDIBLE WITNESS in a Federal Court of Law?? And where did the Money go he won in the Derby?? Is that not Profiting from an Illegal Activity?? Driving across State Lines with the Intent of Commenting a Felony?? Illegal Drug Deals?? Come On Now this Officer seems like the Worst One of the Bunch to Me..
    I agree with you regarding this officers actions, however, the fact that these activities are part of cockfighting is the sole reason that we can't get it legalized and that we lost the legal states!!!

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    I agree with you regarding this officers actions, however, the fact that these activities are part of cockfighting is the sole reason that we can't get it legalized and that we lost the legal states!!!

    I was was offered drugs at a basketball game and a concert should both of them be illegal

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    Floyd County man pleads guilty to charges of helping run significant cockfighting operation!

    http://www.kentucky.com/2014/07/24/3350604/floyd-county-man-pleads-guilty.html

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    Guilty! Thanks Stumbo you just put the test case on the books with a guilty convection with a weak ass case that could have been won. Game? Not freaking hardly.

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    deal was made to early the will serve minimum time and lots of cash the stumbos have plenty money that's not an issue for them but yes it will be a be a guilty plea in the book roger wright kygba director held a benefit auction to fight this in court I bet all that money just pays there fines and we are left hanging out to dry we need a clean pit they would have a harder time busting if taxes where paid on earnings this is a set back for Cocker's but the agdn is still working on our behalf I think the GBAs for the most part are as crooked as most pit owners and this was a bad situation all to gather don't get me wrong I feel for the stumbos and Robinson's but the money donated was to fight it not to make a plea deal if they was gonna make a plea deal they should have used there own money for that jmho

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicadu View Post
    Imagine the hundreds of millions of dollars we can get and a class-action lawsuit against the Democrats can do after having the anti-cockfighting laws declared UNCONSTITUTIONAL. As a law-abiding citizen, refusal to acknowledge the unconstitutionality of the laws by way of repealing them or amending them after having been enlightened constitutes bad faith. Thus, the class action suit. How many Democrats are there in Congress and Senate? How many Democrats served or are now serving. Their properties, bank accounts can be subject of garnishment for the damage they did to cockfighting as a MEANS of livelihood and object of commerce and trade. Plus the rich animal rights activitst. Billionaires ang kalalabasan ng mga sabungero. God said, 'THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL RULE THE WORLD'. Nasa baba na sila pag nakganoon. And the Conservatives, FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, DEA and the ROOSEVELTS would sit at the Right of Jesus Christ, JAZA. AND THUS, RULE THE WORLD.
    I remind you that Texas has republicans in office that sponsor and support bills against cockfighting and our last 2 governors Perry and Bush signed those bills into law.So salvation comes from Jesus Christ and has very little to do with publicans or republicans.lol.Neither party is for anything other than their party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Rus View Post
    Wow the F'N Snitch is Fighting, Gambling, Snorting Roxies and Smoking Weed?? How in the Hell can he be a CREDIBLE WITNESS in a Federal Court of Law?? And where did the Money go he won in the Derby?? Is that not Profiting from an Illegal Activity?? Driving across State Lines with the Intent of Commenting a Felony?? Illegal Drug Deals?? Come On Now this Officer seems like the Worst One of the Bunch to Me..
    thanks Uncles Rus, you speak my mind. From what i understand if an officer of the law "uc" commit a criminal acts there testimony is not credible in the court of law. for example, if a "uc" post as a postitute and you went and pick her up and not sure is set up or not. all you have to as is for here to show her tits, guaranty she wont and if she does she can be charger and the police cant used her as witnest.

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    I am sorry but cockfighting in any form will be considered illegal. Even if misc taxes are paid, there are still the gambling issues to deal with. It's hard to blame these people for accepting a plea and a sentence of several months instead of risking many years in a hard prison. Besides, one person being referenced did fight this and lost in court. They had no real defense, this place was under investigation for the past couple of years, everything was documented and recorded one way or the other. I know it's horrible, good people in jail for no good reason, but for now, the law is against this sport and until it changes, the same risk will be run by all who show at organized events.. We can only hope and pray for a legislative miracle in the U.S. It's very hard for me to accept this as this sport was in my family for 3 generations, but unless the law changes, the large venues and grand shows are over... I am sorry, but that is fact...

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