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    So you sold them pure? Or at least from the Trio they sent you? Do you ever show any? I've gotten some Broodstock from breeders, I breed to show them myself. If for some reason I were to sell any I know first hand how they are. Did you ever reach out to Mr Neismith?

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    [QUOTE=Hugo209;4938950]Good evening guys sorry I didnít clarify I sold the offsprings to 3 different guys and all gave me the same response that the animals are worthless I really donít know how they took care of them or there methods but it is what it is and also I got the trio late in 2017 I started breeding in 2018 so thatís the time frame . I will take all the advice with a grain of salt and keep at it with breeding them back or maybe acquiring gamefowl from other breeders .[/QUOTE sorry about the bad results of your fowl.. If I was you I'd contact Chris. He needs to know the ones that don't do well. Breeding takes pacience. Also good record keeping.]

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    Nobody has 100% aces I bet even old 500 derby winner dmm has raised at least 1 dunghill I know I have

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdderfly View Post
    Nobody has 100% aces I bet even old 500 derby winner dmm has raised at least 1 dunghill I know I have
    I'm not sure about a dunghill but have eased a few that were not quality fowl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdderfly View Post
    Nobody has 100% aces I bet even old 500 derby winner dmm has raised at least 1 dunghill I know I have
    Also I've not win near 500 but I'm on my way. Many may think I'm blowing smoke. I'll say this all my post are true. Or at least to the best of my memory. Any that want to test what I say can pm me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBlue View Post
    I'm not sure about a dunghill but have eased a few that were not quality fowl.
    You’ve had them birds a long time, you’ve never had one that couldn’t stand the heat any longer n head for a corner? Ever? Or what do you consider a dunghill?

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    Fowl are not animals this thread has been fishy from the start

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    Just speaking from my own personal experience with Blackwater Farms, I feel like i got what i paid for. We acquired Sweaters, YLH, Roundheads. All were tested as stags and cocks. It has been said before, but a there are a ton of factors that go into breeding, raising, conditioning these birds from egg to pit. I am not on here saying that Blackwater Farms breeds are world beaters but the process of breeding them and careful selection along with a good vaccination & conditioning program they have held their own. We learned which breeds to show as stags, & which to show as cocks.

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    Carol Nesmith got some grey blood from Ray Hoskins before he went to jail.

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    OP is not complaining that he can't show the fowl but he is having trouble with peddling the fowl. Lol What to do? Which peddler should I be mad at?

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    By horrible what do you mean. Run , sull, duck what ? Did he pick them or you pick them? Did you ask before you bought them if he guaranteed them. Here is a big one, did you ask for and pay for PROVEN fowl.? By proven I don't just mean the cock but all, proven in the brood pen to throw high caliber fowl ? How many did you raise ? Cant judge off of 3 or 4 unless they ran . I figure since you probably paid a pretty good amount you surely took great care of them. Experience in feeding fowl for show? Lot of hiccups between buying breeding and showing the fowl in question. Cant really blame him alone if he selected good looking fowl , which he must have or I figure you wouldn't spent 2 yrs with raising them and would have complained straight away. What it sounds like you have here is a case of heartbreak, that we all have known at some point in the game. You paid the money and are entitled to judge the fowl but I wouldn't judge the man behind them until I talked with him at least. You have to learn to ask the right questions if youre not willing to take a chance .

    Think of it like this, youre going to pay sometimes a high wage for fowl that youre going to put a whole lot more money in within two years . Then decide what all questions you need answered to get you to spend two years worth of money . If you ask these question and he says up front he doesn't guarantee them , you best ask if he has any in the brood pen he does guarantee and buy them. Otherwise its a chance. Nobody has fowl on their yard that every single bird would make excellent broodfowl. Hate it for you cause it truly is disheartening . But its all part of the game. If you talk to him maybe he will help you out if they really are that bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaBlue View Post
    Also I've not win near 500 but I'm on my way. Many may think I'm blowing smoke. I'll say this all my post are true. Or at least to the best of my memory. Any that want to test what I say can pm me..
    Hell I aint afraid of them ol Mugs, Ill test em , send me four or five and see if I dont . LMAO . Im sorry I couldn't resist lol . That's what its all about , a man got to be able to believe in what he has. If he cant its time to get something else .

    Just honestly if I raise one of mine and its lower quality than its brothers and I cull it to me I consider it a dunghill . No matter if it really is or not , he is less than the best . Guess it just boils down to what anybody considers dunghill means . Never seen a family that didn't have any at all , but Im always on the lookout lol .
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    Since a child (and I am near 60) I have always heard dunghills (a hill of dung aka poop) was something that ran,sulled or quit. However I use it to also express dismay or even contempt to what I consider substandard performance (and sometimes manfighters when I am angry at them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by samiyam007 View Post
    Since a child (and I am near 60) I have always heard dunghills (a hill of dung aka poop) was something that ran,sulled or quit. However I use it to also express dismay or even contempt to what I consider substandard performance (and sometimes manfighters when I am angry at them).
    LMAO, yeah . I know exactly what you mean and where youre coming from , especially with those manfighters . I call dunghill and cull one in the same most times , even though aren't really. A cull might stay be game, have some ability , but just not hardly enough to make the team. Where a dunghill is technically a just as you said. Damn good post 007 !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nauvoo View Post
    You’ve had them birds a long time, you’ve never had one that couldn’t stand the heat any longer n head for a corner? Ever? Or what do you consider a dunghill?
    . Oh yes I've had some like that. But most were a cross. I've told of the shufflers mugs that nearly one out of four quit and I had them bred 5-6 different ways. Nearly put me out of the mug business when I got all those killed. But my straight ones I've only had a few quit me and nearly every one that did I had doughts about. Something wrong mental or physical with them I'd say. And also some were brained and didn't know if they was a cock or a rabbit. Definatley would have to call those crosses dunghill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t gasparac View Post
    Fowl are not animals this thread has been fishy from the start

    I hear you, smells like bacon.....

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    Any fowl you have to learn and its going to take years to figure out. I can only imagine getting crosses and trying to figure them out in one year.

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    Any expensive material is a disappointment. Buy affordable. The butcher. The mugs. And they will turn out extra ordinary. U will be amaze. I got a lemon sweater bc that when bred you can not see his feature outside in his offspring. Still breeding him for his abilities. His style are same with his sons and winning.

    but sometimes in here. A lot of people from the other side of the fence trying to discredit great breeders and legendary sportsmen. They want to paint us bad people. I really dnt know why. And going to casino are good and betting online.

    for me, its all about business.

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    By run around I mean I was rushed when I made an appointment not just popped up at the farm. This was September and there was a lot to choose from but I was basically pointed to what I was supposed to buy. As for rank everything that was bred to the greys were dunghill and the straight bred greys were dunghill. Cut cut cut but as soon as the going got tough theyíd lay down or exit the pit. The only good thing is black water made it right with him after it all

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    This guy with the bad blackwater bloodline means they got smoked when his people showed them!! You guys are making it more complicated than it is! My advice get u some proven fowl from local breeders. Believe me brother i was one of tjose guys that got bad blood from blackwater but they do got tye goods no doubt about that!!

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    Buying fowl from these big farms are hit and miss . Its gonna b hit and miss when u have a stag or cock with 10 hens in a pen ... u stand a much better chance getting good fowl from someone that still single mates there brood pens. Thats a fact jack
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    You honestly have to invest with the kind of intent that matches what the return will be using real math . Gilliam , Nesmith , Batia ... They have stretches where one or more of their families is doing good . It might b a batch of pure ones that are making good crosses or it might be an infusion that nicked .

    If you get hot on the trail and that's what you want .. Get two pair , not a trio . Get a blemished older cock the next year .. You can get good fowl if you invest in a line , but theres no math that supports buying trios here and there .

    Whats worse is spending good money and then culling to REPEAT that failure again with a new breed , lol .. I dabble taste testing when I can get a good cock or hen .. Or super nice pullet/stag . But once I get a whiff of the good stuff I lock down and get treed solid .. Anything else is your own fault for just piddling around and expecting a penny machine to pay out ... It might , but you gomna have to squat down and warm that machine up and stick it out fora shift

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    I have not spent a lot of money on fowl, but even the little I have spent I figure not only am I purchasing the birds but also something of the man behind the birds. If I send a message or call and ask about the fowl no matter what my questions are I do expect an answer. I received that with Del and Don (even though Don gave me the stag through the Christmas draws). They have answered questions I had about how to breed/what to breed and care of the fowl. Any thing I have asked them they have been kind enough and interested in helping someone enough to answer questions. In fact Del told me the hens I got from him had been with a pure mug rooster and I might could get a pure stag and I believe I did. He weighs almost 6 lbs as a stag and none of the cocks I have even weigh that much so thanks again Del.

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    I recall one time when someone came to buy some fowl from my Father. He picked out a trio and asked my Father if he guaranteed them and was very surprised when my Father simply said "No." Dad explained to the buyer that he didn't know how they would be taken care of, the weapons they would be fought in, or the conditions of how they were to be raised. The buyer smiled and said " fair enough." They shook hands and he left with his fowl. Bottom line is you can acquire the best brood fowl on the planet but its no guarantee you will have success with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarshButcher View Post
    I recall one time when someone came to buy some fowl from my Father. He picked out a trio and asked my Father if he guaranteed them and was very surprised when my Father simply said "No." Dad explained to the buyer that he didn't know how they would be taken care of, the weapons they would be fought in, or the conditions of how they were to be raised. The buyer smiled and said " fair enough." They shook hands and he left with his fowl. Bottom line is you can acquire the best brood fowl on the planet but its no guarantee you will have success with them.
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    It depends how many people got bad experienced with the breeder and the status of the one who get from him. Some people make it an excuse also that there is no guarantee as so we understand it but percentage of people who got blood from a breeder that most complained about how bad they got then its the breeder himself is a peddler or whatever you can call it but if its just a few then there is something that maybe the guy who bought dont know how to breed and raise or unluckily he got the bad ones unintentionaly.

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