Australian Pit Game - Sabong, Cockfighting and Gamefowl Posting Pit

Skidoo · June 9th, 2012, 06:46 AM

Hi All
I'm trying to find out more about the Australian pit game fowl, I've been told they were bred in Australia by English servicemen who brought asil blood from India.
I'd like to know more about their history, like what they were bred with and how they were fought (gaff, knife or naked heel).
I'd also like to know if there are any out there that are still game?

Basically I'd like to know as much about these birds as possible, especially any opinions as to how they would cross with other 'game' breeds

dirtysouth · June 9th, 2012, 09:44 AM

I dont think theirs any pit games here mate.

paikulanaces · June 9th, 2012, 10:22 AM

there's a game fowl show in Perth a couple of years ago, but I never heard of having any pit.

Skidoo · June 9th, 2012, 12:28 PM

They are a breed, I just want to know more about their history than the regular breeders talk about. Do a google search and you will see pics of them. They are here I just want some more info about their history.

ito · June 9th, 2012, 03:30 PM

ask RSPCA they will know.

graham trigwell · June 9th, 2012, 04:00 PM

Ask wildfoot I think he had them.

Skidoo · June 9th, 2012, 09:47 PM

Thanks Graham, was kinda hoping we could get something going about the breeds used in the pit in Australia

star cross · June 10th, 2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Skidoo

Thanks Graham, was kinda hoping we could get something going about the breeds used in the pit in Australia

I suggest you do some reseach and think before posting on this website!.
There are NO Legal Pits in Australia.
There are jail sentances and very heavy fines if caught cock fighting in Australia.

tonio · June 10th, 2012, 10:32 AM

When I visited Australia I saw them at the Royal Easter Show, I spoke to a gentleman at the show who said they originate from old English and Malay. He says the ones today are no longer game and just for show

graham trigwell · June 10th, 2012, 07:54 PM

Cromell outlawed cockfighting in England way back in history i think he was a puritan who disliked gambling or because the govt coudnt tax it anyway it never recovered when the first settlers reached Australia they brought British law with them so it has never been legal to fight chickens in Australia.However there has been gamefowl bred in Australia and the eggs shipped to Philippines although it would be a great place to breed the cost of importing broostock and the time they spend in quarantine would drive you mad.I think last year or the year before there was cockfighting busts in Sydney the poltce were forced to act because of drug dealing allegations.Me i just love the Philippines where i can go to the Talisay Sporting Complex have a beer watch some fights relax know im not gonna get arrested and enjoy my vacation.Since ive watched Tonios short knife videos im hooked have to go and watch some debies in Mexico before i get to old to enjoy it.

Skidoo · June 10th, 2012, 09:28 PM

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I didn't mean in the pit now, I meant historically, Australia having a lot of Asian influence along with European, I was interested in how this affected the origins of this breed.
Sorry for the misunderstanding I know it's illegal, it was a badly worded post

Territorian · August 16th, 2012, 03:33 PM

Hey there , just wondering if you guys have heard or had and knowledge or experiance in australian pit game fowl in the sabong outside australia? i have a nice, black hard feather plain face , tends to break a little but also great on the ground, he has long and powerful reach with immense strength , though in my experiance in cebu and neighboring islands, he would be far too big , and difficult if not impossible to get a match as he is 5.8 kgs, however i have thaught of crossing him with some of a good friends hens there in pi? any suggestoins or comments are welcome , many thanks.

Matt Dunne · August 16th, 2012, 04:33 PM

Tonio is spot on with what he said. Australian Pit Games are a Confirmation show breed and are not Steel game. If you put him in a breeding programe for fighting in any heal I personally believe he would have to reduced down to 1/8 blood due to thier size and questionable gameness, I believe if you have to go down that far to get a blood to size or game enough to take some steel is a big risk in both time and money. There are better Asils available that are tried and tested.

Cheers

Supercut · August 16th, 2012, 06:30 PM

There are pit game still around in some small pockets the "piston" pitgame in particularly is the black fowl which is still well balanced ,athletic and cross very well with american gamefowl familys one line that comes to mind is the "black savage" as created and bred by one of the top cockers in australia using warhorse blended with australian pitgame and graded....but most are bred for exhibition and have lost their ability due to breeding towards show bench standards ..oriental blood gives them endless power but the oriental malayoid type produces very "dry" cutters hope this helps ....hypethetically speaking of coarse

nonny · August 17th, 2012, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Supercut

There are pit game still around in some small pockets the "piston" pitgame in particularly is the black fowl which is still well balanced ,athletic and cross very well with american gamefowl familys one line that comes to mind is the "black savage" as created and bred by one of the top cockers in australia using warhorse blended with australian pitgame and graded....but most are bred for exhibition and have lost their ability due to breeding towards show bench standards ..oriental blood gives them endless power but the oriental malayoid type produces very "dry" cutters hope this helps ....hypethetically speaking of coarse

hypothetically , the 'black savage' were an English Importation . They still remain with the same family who imported them in the 30's ........

Supercut · August 17th, 2012, 06:40 PM

ive heard that story before it made me smile then and still does ....

nonny · August 17th, 2012, 07:40 PM

many things make me smile ...... thats why I commented !

nonny · August 18th, 2012, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Supercut

ive heard that story before it made me smile then and still does ....

So tell me supercut , do I tell my friend the 'jeweler'' that his grand da 'bill savage' never imported the fowl that carry his name ?

I see there are a few aussies that fight chickens in legal pits that have commented on this thread that the fowl in oz are only assessed on beauty nowadays , & I'd have to agree ..which leaves you and your claims were ?...

Supercut · August 18th, 2012, 09:47 PM

I realise thats where the the black pitfowl came from and if it wasnt for "AC" breeding/grading/competing in particular the 18 time winner warhorse broodcock he used to infuse with them im sure no one would would of heard of them ... im not sure wat the difference is in a legal or illegal pit ...maybe the risk of an illegal pit brings out the diehard enthusiast

nonny · August 19th, 2012, 06:23 AM

The family was around well before Alan and his cross into them , they were never aussie pits as you claim them...........If I were interested in '18x' show winners I wouldnt have my farm and fowl in P.I , poultry exhibitions hold no allure to me , this is a cocking site unless you hadn't noticed , I am sure that the tree huggers troll these pages looking for snippets of information , why draw attention to men that only exhibit their birds at poultry exhibitions by offering up misleading information ?

Supercut · August 19th, 2012, 08:32 AM

yeah.. i didnt draw attention to anyone im not nameing names in this thread!!! ..i realise this is a cockfighting website so i commented on it in regards to pitgame in australia.... im not sure what your motivation for commenting here is... you said it yourself you fight overseas....

no need for a response ..

nonny · August 19th, 2012, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Supercut

There are pit game still around in some small pockets the "piston" pitgame in particularly is the black fowl which is still well balanced ,athletic and cross very well with american gamefowl familys one line that comes to mind is the "black savage" as created and bred by one of the top cockers in australia using warhorse blended with australian pitgame and graded....but most are bred for exhibition and have lost their ability due to breeding towards show bench standards ..oriental blood gives them endless power but the oriental malayoid type produces very "dry" cutters hope this helps ....hypethetically speaking of coarse

This is the reason I commented my friend........

Territorian · August 20th, 2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Supercut

There are pit game still around in some small pockets the "piston" pitgame in particularly is the black fowl which is still well balanced ,athletic and cross very well with american gamefowl familys one line that comes to mind is the "black savage" as created and bred by one of the top cockers in australia using warhorse blended with australian pitgame and graded....but most are bred for exhibition and have lost their ability due to breeding towards show bench standards ..oriental blood gives them endless power but the oriental malayoid type produces very "dry" cutters hope this helps ....hypethetically speaking of coarse

Hey supercut, i am crossing my pit game with some nice hybrid in pi with great results maybe people think they are not game anymore because of the show aspect throughout the years etc etc whatever i am enjoying it thanks