ideal fighting stile for short knife

[wild willy]

The very best short knife roosters I ever fought were side stepping calm non aggressive roosters. Asils graded to kelso or miner blues. Get charged by an aggressive bird and they'd just move outa the way and cut em as they went by. Two or three passes and those aggressive birds were stumbling and about done. And a lot of those birds could be used several times.

[GamerGreys]

If you want the ideal style watch pacman against barrara. Manny has the style you want for sk.

[Reds & Greys]

I will take a side stepping single stroking hit you where you live each and every time. than an over aggressive balls out bull rushing leg throwing machine... bottom line when they come together you must be cutting them each and every buckle. not 2 or 3 cuts out of 10 hard buckels

[deception]

Thankyou Mr colt39 I knew I wasent crazy for thinking this way .

[YeY197]

I like mine to score first, but not agressive rushing into the other cock with out a plan so to speak, I like mine not just throwin feet but throwin and scoring, I dont care for the ones looking for a bill hold from the get go, but I dont mind a little bill hold and a hard shuffle if and when we are slightly ahead but looking for it a big no no, if you score first in a good spot it will almost always put you in a good position to come out on top, I also look for a cocks ability to recover, landing right and ready to score again, you dont have alot of room for wasted motions when it comes to any knife, you gotta stay busy but smart busy.

[YeY197]

Speaking of Jap Grades this Jap/RH pulled in 5 blue ribbons in a two year span in Mexican poultry shows, I lost him to varmits this past fall he was in a brood pen with some Doc Hatch pullets bred him last year though to a RH hen stags of his are beast, wish I still had him.Lost him a day after I took this pic.

[YeY197]

Originally Posted by ga coondawg

good lookin cock!

How ya been lately? Aint heard from ya.

Thanks, I been doing good this season and overall, I'm on a lil hot streak as we speak.Been busy working fulltime and feeding and all that good stuff, alot of work but when it does pay off you tend to block all that out, I'm almost done for the year, I'll spend the rest of the summer relaxing, raising the next crop of stags, and gambling at the local quarter horse match races..(Mexican Drag Races is what I like to call them..lol)

[YeY197]

Oh yeah I forgot to mention there is a difference between aggressive and dumb dont be fooled by the hole aggressive gets killed theory, pay attention to placement of blows and ability to recover, there should be no akward landings or wasted motion, If I can get that left leg and I'm still in good shape its gonna end pretty fast in my favor, I also like a good head shot the kind that leaves your opponent wondering where he is but I dont select by that particular action.

[WiNeReD]

Originally Posted by Reds & Greys

I will take a side stepping single stroking hit you where you live each and every time. than an over aggressive balls out bull rushing leg throwing machine... bottom line when they come together you must be cutting them each and every buckle. not 2 or 3 cuts out of 10 hard buckels

....im with you on that one RG

[deadly butchers]

ive had great success with butcher/sweater cross

[trueedge]

Good thread...thought id give it a bump

[FILAMEX]

Originally Posted by YeY197

Speaking of Jap Grades this Jap/RH pulled in 5 blue ribbons in a two year span in Mexican poultry shows, I lost him to varmits this past fall he was in a brood pen with some Doc Hatch pullets bred him last year though to a RH hen stags of his are beast, wish I still had him.Lost him a day after I took this pic.

Howdy YeY, if I may ask, is the dad of this guy black in feather color with green or yellowish green legs? I like the color of this end product. Thanks

[187farms]

grey albany cross for the sk ,

[southernX]

I would prefer a cock that comes out feet first and stroking, a agresive cock, one that keeps the presure on for sk. I cut my teeth in the north east many years ago in 1 1/4 gaff. Moved to the mid part of the country and went to long heel,SK and LK. I feel that the gaff reguardless of length is going to show if your game or not. Just my observations. As far as a cock that just lays there, to me, only my opinion, he is just as much a dunghill as the runner. Dosent matter to me if it took him an hour to get there, At least the runner didnt lie to ya. The knife cuts so quick and clean. Just like if you cut yourself. Most times you dont feel it you notice the blood. But shoot a nail in your hand and by golly your gonna feel it. You ever been stuck by a gaff.Oh yeah it hurts.My opinion only.By the time a knife cut cock realizes his problem he has lost to much blood to motivate. If all you do is take his legs out and not cut anything major sure he will lay there and peck. Like I said just my observations.

[EPG5 Backyard]

Originally Posted by OR GALLO

I love a bird that overpower it's opponent one that doesn't let the other bird do anything cause he is always after him. one that cuts in the air and from any angle or position. That's the type I love.

Hello OR GALLO........how did those Ruble/Allen cross do down in Mexico???
I'm going home to the PI this week.

[OR GALLO]

Originally Posted by EPG5 Backyard

Hello OR GALLO........how did those Ruble/Allen cross do down in Mexico???
I'm going home to the PI this week.

Have fun on your stay there. The crosses did good, nice win percentage but the Rubles did way better in Mexico their style is perfect for those shows.

[toppie]

the best i tink is hatch kelso or asil grades 1/4 to the hen side 1/2 to the dad i used to have some kansas city toppies they where bad to the bone the best i ever owned i play with them for a wile i cross them on kelso and hatch and got 6 aces out of 10 staggs

[EPG5 Backyard]

Originally Posted by OR GALLO

Have fun on your stay there. The crosses did good, nice win percentage but the Rubles did way better in Mexico their style is perfect for those shows.

Well, I still plan on mixing some Asil/Jap blood with those Rubles & Allens . I can't help myself.
I got the 4 baby stags > 3 high stationed - Sweater/Allens & 1 - Dan Gray/Lacy.
I wonder if they were April or May born.....do you know???

[Island Born]

I will go for a 3 years old (1/4 Philippine Lemon X 1/4 Blueface Hatch X 1/2 Democrat Hatch) for SK game. Smart, cutting, game.

[YeY197]

Originally Posted by FILAMEX

Howdy YeY, if I may ask, is the dad of this guy black in feather color with green or yellowish green legs? I like the color of this end product. Thanks

That cock was bred by Ferdinan Jaquiro a fillipino friend of mine whom got out of raising years ago and brought him to me with several of his nest brothers when he did so, His breeding was of a blue jap cock from Ferdinan to a RH hen of Dennis Hall, if you look at the wings you can tell he has some blue feathering it showed more in the breast area not sure about his father but everything he threw was yellow or white legged .I'm no longer breeding any of that blood all though I still have some of his offspring, honestly I dont see what I saw in him in his offspring like I did at one time.

[FILAMEX]

Originally Posted by YeY197

That cock was bred by Ferdinan Jaquiro a fillipino friend of mine whom got out of raising years ago and brought him to me with several of his nest brothers when he did so, His breeding was of a blue jap cock from Ferdinan to a RH hen of Dennis Hall, if you look at the wings you can tell he has some blue feathering it showed more in the breast area not sure about his father but everything he threw was yellow or white legged .I'm no longer breeding any of that blood all though I still have some of his offspring, honestly I dont see what I saw in him in his offspring like I did at one time.

Thanks YeY. Too bad he wasn't able to pass his performance traits to his offsprings. I'm sure though you have a lot of good broodcocks.

[OR GALLO]

Originally Posted by EPG5 Backyard

Well, I still plan on mixing some Asil/Jap blood with those Rubles & Allens . I can't help myself.
I got the 4 baby stags > 3 high stationed - Sweater/Allens & 1 - Dan Gray/Lacy.
I wonder if they were April or May born.....do you know???

Let us know how you do with them. I'm pretty sure they are from April.

[Bear Creek Game]

my ideal for sk is quick shufflin med to high break but smart after 1st or 1st couple of buckles. and will fight from any posistion

[lurena]

Originally Posted by wild willy

The very best short knife roosters I ever fought were side stepping calm non aggressive roosters. Asils graded to kelso or miner blues. Get charged by an aggressive bird and they'd just move outa the way and cut em as they went by. Two or three passes and those aggressive birds were stumbling and about done. And a lot of those birds could be used several times.

Yes the ideal bird is a smart side stepping birds with a lot of cut. And yes just like YEY197 said you need a bird that hits first and cuts first as well. Avoid the the the old type of punching bag hatches that are extremely strong that always get hit first. I call them the diesel engine birds that take time to warm up. They are good for grading only for the bottom but hardly ever win in the short knife. They were meant for the gaff.

[LaLomaRanch]

Originally Posted by lurena

Yes the ideal bird is a smart side stepping birds with a lot of cut. And yes just like YEY197 said you need a bird that hits first and cuts first as well. Avoid the the the old type of punching bag hatches that are extremely strong that always get hit first. I call them the diesel engine birds that take time to warm up. They are good for grading only for the bottom but hardly ever win in the short knife. They were meant for the gaff.

A buddy of Mine had some waltons like that , got hit a lot but every time it got long he always knew he was going to win

[lurena]

Originally Posted by LaLomaRanch

A buddy of Mine had some waltons like that , got hit a lot but every time it got long he always knew he was going to win

Then their aopponent was crap and lack cut. All you need is a good clean hit and I will a sure you those waltons won't last long. Those extremely game birds can hang in their if they get shallow hits but if you get the heart or the leg they will be done. Just my opinion. We do use blueface ,bates and mcleans in the breeding program but we grade them down to 1/4. They are extremely game like the waltons but they just don't cut it in the short knife. The competition is to strong. Now I would recommend crossing those powerful hatch onto some good kelso or good roundhead.

[clearfork]

Originally Posted by lurena

Then their aopponent was crap and lack cut. All you need is a good clean hit and I will a sure you those waltons won't last long. Those extremely game birds can hang in their if they get shallow hits but if you get the heart or the leg they will be done. Just my opinion. We do use blueface ,bates and mcleans in the breeding program but we grade them down to 1/4. They are extremely game like the waltons but they just don't cut it in the short knife. The competition is to strong. Now I would recommend crossing those powerful hatch onto some good kelso or good roundhead.

Im going to agree to disagree on this one. Any bird that getts the right shot is DRT for sure. However i have seen many Walton,s take a horrible cutting in the S/K and still win the fight. Not going to hit the honey hole right off the bat every time. They are however better if you can cross them over something that keeps most of what they are for the s/k.

[JWPurdy]

Several years ago I let a guy who was working for me have a little J. Moore Albany stag with a crooked breast. His two full brothers had won in SK easily, in just a few buckles. He moved to Texas and bred him to an asil crossed hen (unknown what the western side was). He raised two stags. Those two Albany/Asil/? roosters won 13 fights between them (8 time winner and 5 time winner) in big dollar hacks in Texas. They each won their last fights but were disabled. Their success has been repeated by more matings between Asils and Albanys. A SK rooster does not have to be the fast, aggressive, smothering type... In fact, that is just the type that a good Asil cross chews up and spits out... :-)

Here's a 2010 picture of an asil grade stag. He still earning his living in Honduras.

[LaLomaRanch]

Originally Posted by lurena

Then their aopponent was crap and lack cut. All you need is a good clean hit and I will a sure you those waltons won't last long. Those extremely game birds can hang in their if they get shallow hits but if you get the heart or the leg they will be done. Just my opinion. We do use blueface ,bates and mcleans in the breeding program but we grade them down to 1/4. They are extremely game like the waltons but they just don't cut it in the short knife. The competition is to strong. Now I would recommend crossing those powerful hatch onto some good kelso or good roundhead.

Thats what My friend does , crosses them on kelso but he still likes to fight them pure . He always says as long as its oponent don't get that lucky shot you could never count I'm out . They Very strong and the more cut they are the harder they tend to hit . Some also have the ability to just destroy their oponent on the first buckle . But wenever they meet them asil grades they get their chicken butt handed to them waltons

[rcavan]

the weapon doesnt matter. the ideal style for any weapon would be A SUPERIOR CUTTING ROOSTER ..PERIOD! cut and timing go hand and hand so recognizing the individuals with these traits will result in consistant wins.