Proper Conditioning. - Page 55 - Sabong, Cockfighting and Gamefowl Posting Pit

jailbird · August 21st, 2012, 07:39 AM

Karambola is when you have more than two roosters fighting each other. Usually 5 or more. There have been events with as many as 20 roosters in the same pit at the same time. Usually the winner takes all. Because they are armed with long knives, the fights are over quickly so a champion eventually emerges. In the last few remaining birds, they are judged by a sentenciador/umpire using Philippine rules minus the time limit.

fulldrop · August 21st, 2012, 07:48 AM

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Karambola is when you have more than two roosters fighting each other. Usually 5 or more. There have been events withs a many as 20 roosters in the same pit at the same time. Usually the winner takes all. Because they are armed with long knives, the fights are over quickly so a champion eventually emerges. In the last few remaining birds, they are judged by a sentenciador/umpire using Philippine rules minus the time limit.

Battle Royal in the gaff;

BYR Dancock · August 21st, 2012, 07:48 AM

So the bird that does the least in the beginning has more chance of winning?...

jailbird · August 21st, 2012, 07:54 AM

Yup Battle Royal is what I read they call it in the gaffs.

Yup also BYR, the most likely winner is the one that stays on the side and ignores everyone else. However, this is no guarantee as some of these evaders sometimes get pummeled by 2 or more at the same time. In our last session the winner was a wounded cock from a previous hack fight that same day. He was quiet on the side and only came into the fight against the last two who were both badly damaged already.

It's always a lot of fun, and is probably the noisiest event as everyone is cheering and enjoying the comedy.

BYR Dancock · August 21st, 2012, 08:02 AM

Would be awesome to see that! Don't know that here.
Being smart wins fights too doesn't it?
Gues a fighter needs everything , brains, muscles, conditioning and heart!
If i could afford it i would come to the Ph. to see how they condition and fight their birds.
Please post some about bare heel conditioning some more.
My birds, by the way would do awfull in these battle royals as they would attack anything that moves.LOL
One of them, not kidding , attacked my neighbours truck!!
He was loud though! LOL

Golden Buddha · August 21st, 2012, 12:05 PM

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In our second to the last TariTari session of the Chicken Knives /Gamefowl conditioning camp thread we had a karambola. The western fowl killed the most, the local mestizos ran away and the asil grade won.

ha,ha JB....100 X Cheers to the orientals...

This is what i'm thinking whenever i watch this Game, the rooster with great stamina will win, and because orientals have off beat fight style, they will prevail! ha,ha,ha ill see what i can do during our town fiesta...Thanks JB...

jailbird · August 21st, 2012, 09:00 PM

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ha,ha JB....100 X Cheers to the orientals...

This is what i'm thinking whenever i watch this Game, the rooster with great stamina will win, and because orientals have off beat fight style, they will prevail! ha,ha,ha ill see what i can do during our town fiesta...Thanks JB...

You should attend one of pur TariTari sessions. Though the next one might take some time to organize as we are all so busy preparing our stags for the stag series of the associations plus that ever so elusive bakbakan multimillion dream!

Bill Ray · August 22nd, 2012, 03:42 AM

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No ego problem here, that was my way of finding out what everyone thought of my threads and my posts, guess what, just like the feed,, it worked.......

BRK, congrats on beating greasy. He fought good birds and with his flats on them they were really hard to beat. Folks, I have been reading BRK since I come on Sabong. I have found him to give sound advice and the young cockers should listen to him. If you have questions, I am sure he will do his best to answer them. If you are an old cocker, Winning or losing,you are going to do things the way you always did. ha Everyone have a good day

Golden Buddha · August 22nd, 2012, 07:11 AM

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You should attend one of pur TariTari sessions. Though the next one might take some time to organize as we are all so busy preparing our stags for the stag series of the associations plus that ever so elusive bakbakan multimillion dream!

How i wished JB, my son is still college sophomore, need a couple more years...hopefully not more...

I,m following also your conditioning camp....wow...you have many good things going....JB keep it up....wish you luck in all your endeavor!!!

brownred kelso · August 22nd, 2012, 10:39 AM

Every bit of information that i have posted was proven and the information i have posted, is alot of which money could not have bought,,,had i still been using that information, money would not have bought it,,,,so for what it's worth,,,,,BRK

jailbird · August 30th, 2012, 10:27 PM

In the Phils, i have to admit that the real secret is bananas, that's why we are called a BANANA REPUBLIC ;-)

Logan co entry · September 5th, 2012, 03:49 AM

When we are talking about condition.We first must ask the question what is condition.It is the most wind with the most strengh at the lightest possible weight . There are many ways to achieve this.the way I found best to me is to keep cocks in fly pens and on grass ever day and to hand work them ever other day when you work them ever other day it gives there muscles time to heel and grow plus it helps them from getting stressed out.Some people just rotate their cocks from fly pens to cord with sucess.The reason I do not just do that is on hot days or cold days just go out and look at them in the fly pens they will be up on the roost.They will not work they are just like us if we dont have a trainer to push us.One day work one day rest is the best way I have found to get them in shape both physical and mental.How much to work a cock is different for each cock some can take a lot more than others. I work them till their getting winded and they start to tremble going up the board.and gradual incress it remember do not take them so far that they cannot stand also this is for the gaff, that is all that I ever fought in.the other most important thing is moisture control to control bleeding it alo can be done in different ways but I will not get into moisture this time

bone crusherr · September 7th, 2012, 05:33 AM

hey i would love to look at the these keeps and start using atleast one but i cant seem to find that live link it sends me too a page that has other links not the keep so could you post the
SHELBY JOHNSON FLY-PEN KEEP thanks.. or message me it that would be very appreciated

bone crusherr · September 7th, 2012, 05:52 AM

it doesnt bring me to the keeps ? i tryed all of them it just sends me to more links

68pkup · September 7th, 2012, 12:43 PM

does anyone have info on the claret keep or have the keep

jailbird · September 10th, 2012, 12:08 AM

Condition to me is being in the zone :-) just like golf. Sharp, aware, confident, strong and certain. And when i achieve that, i can truly say the rooster was given the best possible chance to win. But still no guarantee. I always remember that the opponent is equally well prepared. This game is all about giving your rooster the best support. The rest is up to him and the breaks of the game.

Proper conditioning guarantees only one thing - pride in your bird and your efforts, win or lose.

vic5.0 · September 10th, 2012, 06:34 AM

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In the Phils, i have to admit that the real secret is bananas, that's why we are called a BANANA REPUBLIC ;-)

What in what ways do ya use the bananas ? What do they do

jailbird · September 10th, 2012, 07:10 AM

Hi Vic, nice question. BananaS are basically complex carbs and water. One of the minerals that banana contains is potassium. Notice how Tiger Woods snacks on a banana mid game? Theres very good reason why his sports nutritionist recommends the fruit. Theres very little residual fiber and almost all of it becomes metabolizable energy. It is filling and gives one a sense of satisfaction at least for a short period of time.

Now all those traits are ideal to provide a bird with energy for an instant burst of power, much like a golf swing. And when a bird is to be emptied in praparation for the fight, the banana is a great addition to your pointing tool kit.

And since any pointing feed must be something the birds are used to, it's a cheap mid day snack for birds in the keep. And the consistent intake of bananas supplies the birds with their potassium requirements during the normal course of intensive activity, helping prevent cramps.

Now that lowly but wonderful fruit has been forgotten in lieu of exotic medicines and supplements, but for those who understand, its still one of the best.

Am sure thats how many US friends view apples and locally available fruits. Its just that Bananas pack so much more than just the sugar.

Have a nice day ;-)

Black_Spur · September 10th, 2012, 07:05 PM

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Hi Vic, nice question. BananaS are basically complex carbs and water. One of the minerals that banana contains is potassium. Notice how Tiger Woods snacks on a banana mid game? Theres very good reason why his sports nutritionist recommends the fruit. Theres very little residual fiber and almost all of it becomes metabolizable energy. It is filling and gives one a sense of satisfaction at least for a short period of time.

Now all those traits are ideal to provide a bird with energy for an instant burst of power, much like a golf swing. And when a bird is to be emptied in praparation for the fight, the banana is a great addition to your pointing tool kit.

And since any pointing feed must be something the birds are used to, it's a cheap mid day snack for birds in the keep. And the consistent intake of bananas supplies the birds with their potassium requirements during the normal course of intensive activity, helping prevent cramps.

Now that lowly but wonderful fruit has been forgotten in lieu of exotic medicines and supplements, but for those who understand, its still one of the best.

Am sure thats how many US friends view apples and locally available fruits. Its just that Bananas pack so much more than just the sugar.

Have a nice day ;-)

jailbird ...good day!!!
agree ... i've using banana as my pointing aid during derby and hacks ... its been an old practice by oldtimers, that some new and upcoming cockers' failed to appreciate and they often focus on magic pills or medz ... i can still recall, during a local derby 3cock derby only ... i was using banana while monitoring the droppings and moisture of my fowls ... guys in nearby cockhaus were staring / looking with amusement, since they were using dextrose powder instead and even some medz drops.... i went home as one of the champion and the other had a sorry score performance ... maybe i'm just lucky ..but for sure, the banana's had something to do with it ...just sharing, go natural ...cheers!!!

Island Born · September 10th, 2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jailbird

Hi Vic, nice question. BananaS are basically complex carbs and water. One of the minerals that banana contains is potassium. Notice how Tiger Woods snacks on a banana mid game? Theres very good reason why his sports nutritionist recommends the fruit. Theres very little residual fiber and almost all of it becomes metabolizable energy. It is filling and gives one a sense of satisfaction at least for a short period of time.

Now all those traits are ideal to provide a bird with energy for an instant burst of power, much like a golf swing. And when a bird is to be emptied in praparation for the fight, the banana is a great addition to your pointing tool kit.

And since any pointing feed must be something the birds are used to, it's a cheap mid day snack for birds in the keep. And the consistent intake of bananas supplies the birds with their potassium requirements during the normal course of intensive activity, helping prevent cramps.

Now that lowly but wonderful fruit has been forgotten in lieu of exotic medicines and supplements, but for those who understand, its still one of the best.

Am sure thats how many US friends view apples and locally available fruits. Its just that Bananas pack so much more than just the sugar.

Have a nice day ;-)

Now youre revealing the top secret of our Filipino gamebird conditioners

Cheers

PIRSO PATRICIO · September 11th, 2012, 01:37 PM

Just to share some inputs...

We use banana in pointing because we use it as a moisture controller and it is full of potassium... from my own opinion...

Carbo loading because we need to store energy for our roosters and use the stored energy during fight time....

However, when you breakdown the carbohydrate contents... it is nothing but glucose... which means sugar.... sugar that helps you store energy...

One nutritionist friend has informed me that a good pointed rooster should have a high content of glucose in his system... which means his feed meals should have a high content of glucose / sugar for you to achieve a good pointed rooster that would be ready to rumble and last the fight....

just my two cents.... YFIS

Black_Spur · September 11th, 2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PIRSO PATRICIO

Just to share some inputs...

We use banana in pointing because we use it as a moisture controller and it is full of potassium... from my own opinion...

Carbo loading because we need to store energy for our roosters and use the stored energy during fight time....

However, when you breakdown the carbohydrate contents... it is nothing but glucose... which means sugar.... sugar that helps you store energy...

One nutritionist friend has informed me that a good pointed rooster should have a high content of glucose in his system... which means his feed meals should have a high content of glucose / sugar for you to achieve a good pointed rooster that would be ready to rumble and last the fight....

just my two cents.... YFIS

ka pirso, parekoy ...kumusta na ..
agree bro .. and if i may add .... we do carbo loading ..days before the scheduled fight and not on fight day, ... the birds need to convert those carbo into glucose and stored into their system ... ready to use ... cheers!!!
have a nice day!!!

PIRSO PATRICIO · September 12th, 2012, 09:05 AM

boss Black Spur.... still alive and kicking sir.... it is just the same thing..... you gotta shoot up those glucose/sugar content....

anyway never heard of a rooster to get diabetes due to high levels of sugar in their system.... LOL

primera_matada · September 13th, 2012, 09:02 AM

where can you buy and how much are those "fancy rolled oats"

Playsafe · September 14th, 2012, 11:04 AM

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In the Phils, i have to admit that the real secret is bananas, that's why we are called a BANANA REPUBLIC ;-)

sir, hope you dont mind if i ask as a beginner and just to make sure if any kind of bananas will do ? there are many varieties of banana.. thanks !!!

jailbird · September 14th, 2012, 09:42 PM

Hi Playsafe, any kind of banana will do as long as its ripe or very ripe. I like mine overripe ;-) when i have a choice i use saba bananas the frying kind, only because the flesh is firmer and can feed more birds with one piece. But lakatan, latundan, and senorita have worked equally well for me. Cavendish also, as it is most commonly available in the suoermarkets and convenience stores - and if you are in the USA, thats what we export to them as well as to japan etc.

mica · September 15th, 2012, 04:38 PM

Hi kabayan Jailbird, banana's during conditioning maybe. But during pointing I dont know. Guys have you ever experience eating banana on an empty stomach? Well maybe if it works for you then why not. Good luck to all.

ABGF · September 15th, 2012, 05:15 PM

Banana should be with you always during fights. Not only it's slow sugar releasing property but of moisture control. Too much glucose roosters tends to drink more. A well pointed rooster will not even drink water, will just play with it from black out to pointing.
For those who have attended TJT you know you have been taught this

Namaste

jailbird · September 15th, 2012, 10:10 PM

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Hi kabayan Jailbird, banana's during conditioning maybe. But during pointing I dont know. Guys have you ever experience eating banana on an empty stomach? Well maybe if it works for you then why not. Good luck to all.

Hi Mica, yup pointing is most crucial and thats where the fruit gives so much benefit. And i agree, if you are not used to any form of fruit, eating them on an empty stomach will hasten evacuation - even of the residual matter in the small and large intestines.

Of course, the roosters crop and gizzard combination works very differently from our sensitive stomachs. But still, conditionIng - or getting them used to it is the reason why the banana is given regularly, not just on fight day.

And ABGF is right (imho), its one thing you should never be without during fight day. Along with a some dry pellet and cracked corn ;-)

These are the tools at hand for moisture control. Along with the hygrometer and thermometer so that we understand both the internal as well as external variables that influence the roosters "condition" at the point of the release ;-)

All this trouble - and the only reward it gives is the feeling that you did your very best! Winning? Thats just the bonus. ;-)
Good day everyone!

ABGF · September 16th, 2012, 05:03 AM

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Hi Mica, yup pointing is most crucial and thats where the fruit gives so much benefit. And i agree, if you are not used to any form of fruit, eating them on an empty stomach will hasten evacuation - even of the residual matter in the small and large intestines.

And ABGF is right (imho), its one thing you should never be without during fight day. Along with a some dry pellet and cracked corn ;-)

There is a lot you can give, apples, grapes etc. but banana is easier to prepare and carry and cheaper. Remember our warriors are omnivores, what is important is to get them use to it, there is Ho actual rule, there is only common sense and practicality. I give apples during pre-con but will stop on conditioning. What works for you might not work for others and equally on reverse.

The most practical to bring are banana and cracked corn. These are very helpful during moisture control.

Namaste