high altitude conditioning or sea level conditioning?

guys....

which level do u prefer to condition ur manokis...high altitude conditioning or sea level conditioning? can u plz share us ur experiences...thanks in advance....



RonRon :rbounce:

[mfuentebella]

Saying that most of the cockpits in the phils. are mostly situated in the cities then i think its a must that you should acclimatize your roosters first in the city(sea level) then condition them there aswell before fighting them atlist 1 or 2 months of acclimatisation is neccesary. Just my views my friend, take care and god bless...MJF

Amigos i would say "High Altitude "all the way is much better and IMHO, there isnt need to aclimatize or adjust to low level altitudes. Is the opposite, if you train at low altitude and will be going to high altitude, then you will need to adjust coz of the oxigen deficit that you will encounter at high altitude. High altitude build stronger lungs and heart..My 2 cents.Gracias

[Ben Rodriguez]

Did you know that the US olympic team trains in the state of Colorado, mile high country. The best runners in the world come from Kenya, Ethiopia, etc.... Where elevations reach 10,000 ft above sea level. I have read stories about US olympic athletes who had trouble dealing with the thin air in the Mexico City Olympics of 1980 i believe it was.

If your respiratory system can climatize in the high altitude, low are environments, you are at an advantage.

Let me compare this to a modern day story.

I am sure that you all have heard of the Sammy entry of Sammy Ramsey. You all know that they have done quite well in the gaff. I would bet that not only are their fowl game, but they are bred and raised in the mountains. High altitudes probably have quite a bit to do with the endurance of their fowl.

[speakeasy]

Ben Rodriguez is correct... It's a fact, not fiction....

But in Philippine's style of cockfighting which is long knife(slasher), only few percentage of infighting last for the whole duration of 10 minutes.

Conservative estimate i would say, 3~4 minutes average of infighting both in hackfights & derbies... In such a matter of time, i think there is no much effect whether in low or high level conditioning...
IMHO...

P.S.
i strongly believed that if our birds ranging area is in high altitude, they have greater advantage in their future fights when it comes to endurance...

[victor]

Hi Ron,
High Altitude all the way! No contest. Better moisture, fresher. Bottomline, your birds will be much stronger.
Just bring them down day of fight early and put them in an AC cockhaus that's set up right.

Best,
Victor

[mfuentebella]

Guys lets answer the question being asked it's conditioning not ranging. I know it gives your roosters a big advantage if they were range or been brought up from the mountains but the question being asked is about conditioning. So any inputs on this guys? ...MJF

[speakeasy]

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mfuentebella,

I have given my honest opinion on the query.

I think i'm the only one who mentioned ranging in high altitude on this thread and YOU are telling me to answer only question's being asked???

Sir, please do read posting's before you made such comment, okay?

We visit here to share ideas and learnt from others not to discredit somebody's opinion.

:hippie:

[mfuentebella]

speakeasy my apologies for the coments, take care and god bless...MJF

[speakeasy]

:hippie: Take it easy.

yfis,

[ligas_paka2006]

anymore input

[harbourmaster]

I think that at higher alltitudes the air is thinner with less oxygen so if your cock is trained and used to this thin air, look out when you bring him down to sealevel( with all that oxygen laden air) to fight,with all things being equal I think he will have the advantage.

[kingdotix]

if conditioning period is 3 weeks maximum i believe that if your chickens are raised in the higher altitudes it is better to have them conditioned there. sometimes the environment change affects the cocks adversely and 3 weeks might not be enough for them to get accustomed to the new temperature and humidity, unless you can maintain the same temperature and humidity.
likewise, it is also not wise to bring a sea level raised chicken to a higher altitude during conditioning period for the same reasons being cited.

and if you want to condition your mountain raised chickens at your sea level conditioning area, it is better to put them on pre-con first for at least a month before conditioning them for 3 weeks. the rule of thumb is to let your fighters feel comfortable first with their new environment before you condition them.

and answering the question...... it's better to condition them at sea level where the battle ground is.

just my loonie opinion......

[grey/dom]

should be at high altitude...but conditioning? moulting is ramapant near the sea..and hot temperature...feathers are not good...just some observation...just bring your birds at the day of the fight...

imho

[NAVAL]

My conclusion with respect the style of fighting cock in the Philippines , the difference between the land level "altitude" is negligible, the important issues that you have to consider is mental & physical conditioning of your warrior,plus promoter's quality/fairness, you need to adopt or overcome something if possible.

[kogmohon]

high medium or low...let em fly...fly...and...fly...the most natural
the most beneficial...the most practical and the most underrated
conditioning method ever introduced to gamefowl...

[RalSuBirds]

at sea level at a normal environment, the oxygen % is 17% but to be safe let's say 17-19%. I know that high altitude has less oxygen to zero oxygen. Now my question is at what altitude does the level of oxygen changes? Why does the answer important to me? In order for me to know where to find a place of high altitude to condition my birds. And of course that is IF high altitude counts significantly better.

Stronger muscles means better performance; agility, flight, power, cutting and just overall better from the beginning of the fight to the end. Agree?

Red cells carry oxygen from the cock’s lungs to his muscles.

Living and training at altitude is less effective than living at altitude and training near sea level because the lack of oxygen at altitude results in detraining (getting off) through reduction in intensity of training ( madali silang mapagod), specially the Filipino way of conditioning where we less force the cocks to do the flipping, flirts, fly or any other way, the natural method which relies more on natural flying on flying pens, running pens, scratch pens etc. ( I think).

The higher you go in the atmosphere, the thinner the air, the thinner air also means less oxygen, so the pace of hard endurance training which depends on high rates of oxygen consumption--gets slower at altitude.

Training near sea level during conditioning enhances subsequent endurance in performance because the cock’s lungs is adapted to oxygen shortage in which at low altitude will have more power to breath as there is more oxygen to breath.

Hemoglobin:
1) This is the protein within the red blood cell which carries the oxygen. The more haemoglobin present, the more oxygen can be carried.
2) A hemoprotein composed of globin and heme that gives red blood cells their characteristic color; function primarily to transport oxygen from the lungs to the body tissues

The only thing that causes haemoglobin to rise is work ( exercise), no work means no rise in hemoglobin.

Muscle strength can improve by increasing the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood through an increase in production of red blood cells which are produced in response to greater release of the hormone erythropoietin (EPO) by the kidneys ( located close to his testis).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erythropoietin

As to the exact altitude and exact oxygen level that will make the difference, it is unknown to me. But I think we all agree that higher altitude will give the desired temperature of 75F or less as comfort zone to the birds, we raise them there. Right?
And if means is generous enough that we can take advantage of bringing them down to condition them in a lower altitude, it only make sense that an improvement should flow from it.


Dr. Ugly

Higher humidity means there is less oxygen in the air.

Air conditioned room training is preferable.
Humidity higher than 75% is not ideal during training.

Too dry cocks on the other hand, is not good, but I think moisture should be given through the feed and not through humid air.

[Cotton]

I can voice my opinion on this subject through my personal experience and Yes things do change while being in a higher altitude compared to a lower altitude that a person is use to.
I use to cut timber in the Mountains of Wv. everday being in rough terrain, lot of walking and climbing up hillsides plus carrying a chainsaw weighing at least 8 - 10 Lb.
I went to Colorado on a hunting trip @ 12,500 feet, while going up there wasn't any problems even getting out of the vehicle on the way up to stretch your legs and walk around to take pictures wasn't a problem.
When we reached our destination point we jumped out and started setting up our outfitters tent, we all were very tired, bad headaches, fatigued, light headed, Walking on flat ground you were wore out at a short distance ( pineapple juice was the miracle in a can and worked better for headaches and fatigue than anything we took with us, guess it was the sugar. ), The fire in the stove didn't get as hot and meals took just a little longer to cook.
After being there for 3 days we had gotten use to it and were fine.
Comming back down in a lower elavation we felt even better, more energy, I'd say at that altitude it took almost two breaths to equal one that we were use to.

My experience would lead me to believe that if you ever go chasing elk in a higher altitude, get in better shape, get there 3 days before opening season ( instead of night before opening day. )

As far as cocks one that is trained in higher altitude and brought down to fight would be in better shape. Cocks living in a lower altitude and fought in a higher altitude would be ok if just set out in drop pens but when sparred or fought by the end of the first pitting he would be slow, sore, and act as though he had 10 oz. of extra fat on him on a 95 degree day and the bird acustomed to the higher altitude would prevail quickly. .... JMHO

Cotton,
You sound like you are a Doctor of Pilosopi.

[grey/dom]

with COTTON...the farm in bacolod are in high altitude...my observation thru experience that..sea is not good for cocks or fowls...their feathers are heavy with sea mist...and salt is not good for their lungs..or their body...

just an obeservation..

[RalSuBirds]

High Altitude in my Experience

We went camping at Yellowstone National Park in Wyoming on three separate occasions, other than exploring that most wonderfull place on earth, we did bycycling, hiking and jogging. That's 8000 - 9000 feet above sea level. I knew that the oxygen level is lower but I did not experience any unusual/non-normal discomfort like shortness of breath or difficulty of breathing. Neither the children had any complaint. There must have been a difference that I did not notice which of course an indication of insignificance. The same experience in Sequoia National Park at 9,000 feet elevation,
at Banf National Park and Whistler moumtain.

Now, bring your roosters down to the valley, let them compete in a MARATHON and I'll be with you all the way. I'll bet everything with you. Fight them in a long knife and I'll decide from a 50/50 basis.