The Breeding of Asil/Grades

[3rdGen]

Originally Posted by aurora gold

thanks chris,i am 100% on that proposal
make it affordable
and this main will happen
i want to put an end on this grudge match

at least 2 stag on october
to show they can hold on as stags
and 3 cock on december
total of five fights

We'll finally see what the "expert" got. Let's do the 2-stag and 3-cock main for a total of 5 fights, but let's have it in one event to save on logistics. As for pot money and minimum bet, how much can you afford?

[3rdGen]

Originally Posted by michaelcas

sir 3rd, i think sir AG is proposing a 5 stag main between the two of you. sir 3rd if you will accept sir AG's challenge i will bet on your side 1.1k,,sir AG dont get me wrong,para lang sumaya ang laban,masyado kasing serious eh

Thank you sir. You're more than welcome to come to the main. I'll pm you my contact info.

[3rdGen]

Originally Posted by ito

WIN or LOSS, i'LL be with 3rd GEN stable.
hope this main will push through.

Thanks ito. I hope it pushes through also. We'll publish the date time and venue so everyone interested can come and watch.

Originally Posted by 3rdGen

We'll finally see what the "expert" got. Let's do the 2-stag and 3-cock main for a total of 5 fights, but let's have it in one event to save on logistics. As for pot money and minimum bet, how much can you afford?

what you are doing now
is you challenge me
and at the same time you try to set your own fighting conditions
and you use these conditions to evade me
you use these conditions for this main not to push through

[BILLABONG]

guys this ain't about money! its a performance challenge right

Originally Posted by BILLABONG

guys this ain't about money! its a performance challenge right

Originally Posted by 3rdGen

Everybody knows that cocks are in the heavy molt this time of the year, that's why I set it in December in the other thread. You're the one who's setting it earlier than December. 5-cock main. P100,000 ($2,000) pot to be escrowed by October 15th. Yeah time to put an end to your big mouth.

But if you want a 5-stag main in October we could arrange that too.

you`re absolutely right bro billabong
but this guy set conditions that he uses
for this main not to push through
i think we are only wasting our time
arguing with him.

[glenn]

Originally Posted by Draven51501

if it does happen, hope someone will cover this and stream it live in the net.. if it were in Cebu, i'd be glad to take on the job streaming..

I AGREE WITH YOU DRAVE, THEY SHOULD KEEP IT AFFORDABLE....THIS IS NOT A BATTLE OF THE BULGE IN YOUR POCKETS...IF IT WERE, THEN YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO FIGHT YOUR CHICKENS...YOU JUST BRING YOUR BANK PASSBOOKS AND SHOW IT TO EACH OTHER....BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE MUCH FUN.

I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE AND THIS IS HOW WE SET IT.....

1) SET THE DATE= should be realistic..if fighting stags...late October until early Dec is a wide range of dates to choose from.

2) SET THE NUMBER OF STAGS = If you dont have plenty...then make it a smaller number.. Remember, you still have to match the stags weights...so a 5 stag main will require you to bring to the table at least 12 weights(which means 12 selected stags) specifying a range ( 1750-2100) or even better since these are grades (1900-2150)
Remember gentlemen, 12 selected stags means your best 12 grades that fall into the specified weight range... do you have the numbers ? This is very crucial...In my Main, i brought 17 weights to the table...but my opponent only brought his 7 best weights so i had to match into his selected weights...he had the upper hand. This should never happen in your matching. (MY SCORE IN THE MAIN..4 WINS, 1 DRAW, 1 LOSS)

3) SET THE CENTER POT = Make it realistic...NO NEED TO BET ON EACH FIGHT JUST PUT UP A CENTER POT.... say P10,000 to P25,000 somewhere in between.. Remember you are fighting for honor not money.

4) SET THE VENUE = Best to select a neutral venue. Somewhere, between the locations of your farms. If not agreeable....best to select a totally different part of the country like CEBU...I CAN ACCOMODATE YOUR FOWL IN SEPARATE FARMS AND WE CAN PROVIDE THE BEST AIRCONDITIONED COCKHOUSES IN THE BEST COCKPIT IN CEBU....GALLERA DE MANDAUE...

5) MUST FIGHT ALL = whatever number you agree on...You MUST agree to fight them all even if the other party is clearly beat(3wins in a 5 stag) you must fight the rest...the 4th and the 5th....this is what i did not get a satisfaction of doing in my Main... i did not get to fight my last stag....i wanted so much to fight that stag as he was my best...(By the way, that particular stag later on became a 5-time winner...won twice in one day without a scratch..he is still in my farm-his name..MAGIKERO)

My score in the MAIN.....4 Wins 1 Draw 1 Loss

best of luck to you two.

Originally Posted by 3rdGen

Alright FIS, let's analyze this video, especially on breaking. This supposedly shows the "perfect fighting style for longknife" by the oriental grade (darker fowl) against the roundhead (lighter with white streamers), according to the "expert."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg4vEW3TBYY

Who connected at the first buckle? (I'd say I could see the roundhead legs connecting from underneath.)

What was the grade hitting at the 2nd and 3rd fly up in the air (0:05-0:06)? (I'd say AIR!!!)

What happened to the grade on the way down on 3rd fly after hitting air? (I could see him getting hit by the roundhead underneath the wing on the way down.)

During the exchanges after the third flight, who was rushing and who was side-stepping then connecting? (It's pretty obvious the roundhead was outsmarting and hitting the grade)

Who was shuffling with no billhold at the end of the fight?

(no offense to glen, just being objective, for the sake of discussion)

glenn,wanna fight one calamay fighter versus 3rdgen?
so 3rdgen will know if he is correct with his video analysis.

[3rdGen]

Originally Posted by aurora gold

you`re absolutely right bro billabong
but this guy set conditions that he uses
for this main not to push through
i think we are only wasting our time
arguing with him.

wtf are you talking about? I already asked you how much you can afford so this main will push through. And you said you want 2-stag, 3-cock didn't you? So I just follow your lead. If it was my condition I want a 5-cock.

[3rdGen]

Originally Posted by aurora gold

glenn,wanna fight one calamay fighter versus 3rdgen?
so 3rdgen will know if it really can cut.

Now you're looking for a resback haha. You're the biggest talker here in sabong.net and I got friends pm'ing and calling me expressing support and pushing me to get this through to expose what you really got. Seems like you annoy a lot of people in this site but this time you were messing with the wrong guys bro. To us a main is just another derby.

[Rolei]

bro ag,
if your mate is really serious, money is not a prob, i can be on your side with some of grades too. we will start minimum of 6 figures, para lang nalang regular hack.

glenn is ryt, anywhre in cebu is a good venue. cheers!

Originally Posted by aurora gold

you`re absolutely right bro billabong
but this guy set conditions that he uses
for this main not to push through
i think we are only wasting our time
arguing with him.

Originally Posted by Rolei

bro ag,
if your mate is really serious, money is not a prob, i can be on your side with some of grades too. we will start minimum of 6 figures, para lang nalang regular hack.

glenn is ryt, anywhre in cebu is a good venue. cheers!

thanks for the back up help bro rolei
the problem is we are dealing
with this 3rdgen that is not really serious

[3rdGen]

Originally Posted by aurora gold

at least 2 stag on october
to show they can hold on as stags
and 3 cock on december
total of five fights

This was your conditions, right? So be it 2-stag & 3-cock I already said before, so wtf are you talking about I'm not serious and laying my own conditions? I already told you I could go with that, except that I want to hold them at the same time for logistics and practicality, and asked you how much you can afford two times arleady. Glenn was kind enough to lay down the mechanics, so we could follow that. Manila would be a more practical and neutral venue. I'd say LaLoma Cockpit, late December. So who ain't serious?

My apologies to Chris for the way this thread has turned out, but I think alot of folks want to see this push through. After it's set, we can go back to oriental chicken talk again.

[glenn]

Originally Posted by aurora gold

glenn,wanna fight one calamay fighter versus 3rdgen?
so 3rdgen will know if he is correct with his video analysis.

AG, i have no quarrels with either of you guys....so i see no need for me to get into the MAIN...

I strongly believe that 3rdGen is seriously ready for the challenge(meaning he has set his mind to making this MAIN happen) Now, the ball is in your court... as a gentleman cocker, it is only proper to arrive at an agreement.

I have had to deal with many challengers for a MAIN in the past...and i can recognize almost immediately if a challenger is just full of empty rhetoric. My unsolicited advise to you is to get this MAIN set and done.... win or lose.... you get to keep your dignity as a gentleman cocker...

Like in the old days, when a gentleman slapped another gentleman's face with his gloves...it was a challenge to a refereed pistol duel to the death. If one party did not show up... the absentee would have to deal with so much ridicule from society that it was better for him to die from the duel than to die of shame.

So, let us put this issue to rest by solidifying an agreement. This MAIN must see the light of day.

Good day Gentlemen.

[chocolate hills]

Glenn,
Im honored to meet you. I just started playing with oriental grades last year during off season so I ended with five stags. I actually got my rampuri asil brood cock from RJB (rick Beall in Tulare) and crossed with some of his mcraes. I'm about to field two entries for a two cock ulutan next month in Pampanga. How do I exactly point these guys? I usually let my typicals loose when there almost empty with very limited moisture. I've heard many times asil crosses cannot be showed empty.

Thanks,
Neal

[CARL94]

There you go guys, Sir Glenn is kind enough to lay down a very good mechanics on how to conduct a main. With all due respect... you guys should man up and let's get it on! Good luck to sir AG and sir 3RDGEN!!!



Sir Glenn... what is the bloodline of MAGIKERO, if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks!


===== TIMING CAN DEFEAT SPEED =====

[glenn]

Originally Posted by CARL94

There you go guys, Sir Glenn is kind enough to lay down a very good mechanics on how to conduct a main. With all due respect... you guys should man up and let's get it on! Good luck to sir AG and sir 3RDGEN!!!



Sir Glenn... what is the bloodline of MAGIKERO, if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks!


===== TIMING CAN DEFEAT SPEED =====

Hi Carl,

Magikero is 3/4 LF roundhead and 1/4 butcher. One of his sons killed a warm-up cock when my handler pushed the warm-up cock towards the cock i was holding by the tail...the son of MAGIKERO gave a powerful flurry that the knife went thru the scabbard(garol) and went straight into the armpit. I had to bring him out of the pit to re-tie a new knife since the sentenciador deemed the knife without a point.(dulled)
5 fights later we entered back into the pit and proceeded to destroy the opponent unscratched. This was during the last 6 cock SINULOG DERBY. if you visit YOUTUBE and SEARCH ....DINGGALING or DINGHEAD FARMS....you will find a video of two of the sons of MAGIKERO being sparred against other SINULOG line ups.


Hi Chocolate Hills,

Pleasure to meet you too.....by the sound of your call sign...you're probably from Bohol... I am also originally from Bohol...hence, the Black Calamay...
Orientals do prefer to have a little something in their crop during the fight... 5 grams of banana should do...i usually get him empty just before the time i have to drop him before being called to the weighing station.. i give them 5 grams of banana at that point...there should be another 20 minutes from that time to the time he is released in the pit...

[amihan]

Glenn,

Thanks for the lead.

Question? Since sabong.net is global, the "light of day" you're referring to, about what time will that be? Just for clarification.

Lets get it on gentlemen.

[cnucum]

Ok ok, a lot of action since I was sleeping... I will let this go since I want to see this main also...

So we agree on the following:

1. 2 stags and 3 cocks

2. Bet is what AG can afford and 3rdGen will agree to it

What isn't settled is:

1. Time - AG wants October 2 stag & 3 cock in December, 3rdGen wants all in December.

2. Location - 3rdGen suggested Laloma Cockpit, AG has to confirm.

Other things to consider, please gentlemen these is a main between the two guys here, although they will appreciate the contribution on the "bet" side I don't think it's a good idea to lend your chickens as well. If this push thru it will only be another reason or excuse later...

Finally if this push thru and ends, I hope the two guys can leave this argument as it stands and be gentleman enough to be a sportsman in defeat and humble in victory. If it goes more than that then I will have to settle it ok?

Now 2 things aren't agreed upon... I think the ball is in AG's court now, do you want all of it to happen in December? I think its good since your aged grades will be finishing molting then and your stags will be aged a little more... Also can you go to Laloma Cockpit for this fight or suggest another venue?

Again, get on with this or let it die now...

Regards,

Chris

[Draven51501]

Originally Posted by cnucum

Ok ok, a lot of action since I was sleeping... I will let this go since I want to see this main also...

So we agree on the following:



Chris

we orientalist here on the boards would want this to push through but it is not we who should agree but these two gentlemen.. let us wait for their exchanges and see where it will lead to and what will happen..

i would like to suggest that it would be better to use banded stags to be sure that it is really of their own personal breeding and not someone else' because of the banding sheet record.

another thing to point out.. will they be using only oriental grades or mixed?

[Rolei]

sorry chris,
I just wanted to make this MAIN happen. I am looking forward to excuse myself one weekend in the casino counting cards and fly to where ever these gentlemen agreed.

hello glenn,
how is col. loot's cockpit doing? He invited me to fight there last year but my sched won't permit. his former vet is my farm doc too. cheers!

Originally Posted by cnucum

Ok ok, a lot of action since I was sleeping... I will let this go since I want to see this main also...

So we agree on the following:

1. 2 stags and 3 cocks

2. Bet is what AG can afford and 3rdGen will agree to it

What isn't settled is:

1. Time - AG wants October 2 stag & 3 cock in December, 3rdGen wants all in December.

2. Location - 3rdGen suggested Laloma Cockpit, AG has to confirm.

Other things to consider, please gentlemen these is a main between the two guys here, although they will appreciate the contribution on the "bet" side I don't think it's a good idea to lend your chickens as well. If this push thru it will only be another reason or excuse later...

Finally if this push thru and ends, I hope the two guys can leave this argument as it stands and be gentleman enough to be a sportsman in defeat and humble in victory. If it goes more than that then I will have to settle it ok?

Now 2 things aren't agreed upon... I think the ball is in AG's court now, do you want all of it to happen in December? I think its good since your aged grades will be finishing molting then and your stags will be aged a little more... Also can you go to Laloma Cockpit for this fight or suggest another venue?

Again, get on with this or let it die now...

Regards,

Chris

Originally Posted by 3rdGen

This was your conditions, right? So be it 2-stag & 3-cock I already said before, so wtf are you talking about I'm not serious and laying my own conditions? I already told you I could go with that, except that I want to hold them at the same time for logistics and practicality, and asked you how much you can afford two times arleady. Glenn was kind enough to lay down the mechanics, so we could follow that. Manila would be a more practical and neutral venue. I'd say LaLoma Cockpit, late December. So who ain't serious?

My apologies to Chris for the way this thread has turned out, but I think alot of folks want to see this push through. After it's set, we can go back to oriental chicken talk again.

late december!
those stags at that date
are no longer stags
they are already bullstags
stag derbies are sept. oct., up to first week of november

the venue...........i suggest san mateo,rizal or cebu as suggested
2 oriental grade stag derby in october.......dec. or january born
the 3 cock derby sometime in december
take it or leave it!

i wanna thank glen & friends for offering the venue in cebu

[tonio]

I dont understand the logic behind holding two separate events if you guys are only going to fight 2 and 3 birds respectively. It wont prove much in my opinion. One 5bird event would be better and easier if you guys live far apart. are you guys neighbors? if so then i guess the small events are ok...just my opinion

[cnucum]

sir Tonio,

I agree... If this was really serious... It's going to be either:

5 stag in October

or

5 cock in December

Will make things less complicated right? Include the place well, I don't know... This will be far fetched...

As I said, they have to agree on something or let this die now... No use in dragging this longer...

Chris

[michaelcas]

Originally Posted by cnucum

sir Tonio,

I agree... If this was really serious... It's going to be either:

5 stag in October

or

5 cock in December

Will make things less complicated right? Include the place well, I don't know... This will be far fetched...

As I said, they have to agree on something or let this die now... No use in dragging this longer...

Chris

sir SO THAT THEY WON'T HAVE MUCH ALIBIS. ...I VOTE FOR EARLIER THE BETTER 5 STAG IN OCTOBER, I'LL PUT MY SIDE ON SIR 3RDGEN......WHO'LL TAKE MY 1.1K BET..?

i am the one being challenged here
and i am the one to make the conditions
because i am the one deciding if i would grant his challenge request
if 3rdgen is really very eager to fight his entry against mine
he should agree with my simple terms & conditions

[Highlimit]

no more BIG MOUTH guys let your warriors do the talking.

[Stripper]

UUHHMMMM.....i could tell an alibi is about to be invented then......fly away....away...

Let's get back to our Oriental Grades...makes more sense!!!

[amihan]

AG your full of "empty rhetoric." It's already light of day here and a simple 5 stag or 5 cock and you can't decide?

You have no balls and your just full of hot air.

How long has this been more than several months? Mauuna pa si Pacman sa inyo.

Good day gentlmen... I got work to do.

[waterloo]

Originally Posted by glenn

I AGREE WITH YOU DRAVE, THEY SHOULD KEEP IT AFFORDABLE....THIS IS NOT A BATTLE OF THE BULGE IN YOUR POCKETS...IF IT WERE, THEN YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO FIGHT YOUR CHICKENS...YOU JUST BRING YOUR BANK PASSBOOKS AND SHOW IT TO EACH OTHER....BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE MUCH FUN.

I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE AND THIS IS HOW WE SET IT.....

1) SET THE DATE= should be realistic..if fighting stags...late October until early Dec is a wide range of dates to choose from.

2) SET THE NUMBER OF STAGS = If you dont have plenty...then make it a smaller number.. Remember, you still have to match the stags weights...so a 5 stag main will require you to bring to the table at least 12 weights(which means 12 selected stags) specifying a range ( 1750-2100) or even better since these are grades (1900-2150)
Remember gentlemen, 12 selected stags means your best 12 grades that fall into the specified weight range... do you have the numbers ? This is very crucial...In my Main, i brought 17 weights to the table...but my opponent only brought his 7 best weights so i had to match into his selected weights...he had the upper hand. This should never happen in your matching. (MY SCORE IN THE MAIN..4 WINS, 1 DRAW, 1 LOSS)

3) SET THE CENTER POT = Make it realistic...NO NEED TO BET ON EACH FIGHT JUST PUT UP A CENTER POT.... say P10,000 to P25,000 somewhere in between.. Remember you are fighting for honor not money.

4) SET THE VENUE = Best to select a neutral venue. Somewhere, between the locations of your farms. If not agreeable....best to select a totally different part of the country like CEBU...I CAN ACCOMODATE YOUR FOWL IN SEPARATE FARMS AND WE CAN PROVIDE THE BEST AIRCONDITIONED COCKHOUSES IN THE BEST COCKPIT IN CEBU....GALLERA DE MANDAUE...

5) MUST FIGHT ALL = whatever number you agree on...You MUST agree to fight them all even if the other party is clearly beat(3wins in a 5 stag) you must fight the rest...the 4th and the 5th....this is what i did not get a satisfaction of doing in my Main... i did not get to fight my last stag....i wanted so much to fight that stag as he was my best...(By the way, that particular stag later on became a 5-time winner...won twice in one day without a scratch..he is still in my farm-his name..MAGIKERO)

My score in the MAIN.....4 Wins 1 Draw 1 Loss

best of luck to you two.

take this word yung mga naaghahamon ng MAIN ang umatras is a GREAT PRETENDER