Mel Sims Black - Page 3 - Sabong, Cockfighting and Gamefowl Posting Pit

jam671 · August 20th, 2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by catchfly

It's funny that you say your birds are medium station, bad tempered, and very aggressive considering they are from the old Mel blood. Looking at Mels blacks now a days you notice a difference in height, body structure, comb, aggression etc... I have suggested in a previous thread about the Sims black/hatch, that they may have been the product of Asian or Spanish infusion some where 8 to 9 years ago. This may be the reason for the pea combs from Asian infusion, or the long legs from the Spanish infusion. This applies to both hatch and blacks of mr Sims, though you see mostly straight combs there is a varied trait of both. Also, on the aggression side of it all, most of the Sims now are more calm and together until in the ring is when the aggression comes to life. I could be wrong about all this babel though...

My old line was before 8 to 9 years ago. I got mine since 1995. I had also an older import blackgrey manfighter which was given to me. He had a bumblefoot and was medium station and body like a basketball, neon orangey eyes with a big head. I did get some offsprings from him and boy is he got some great genes. All the offsprings were just awesome.

Someone told me though pm that mels line is still the same bloodline. So maybe the change is just through breeding within his black line. But personally i still like the old powerhouse line better than the current ones.

I really dont understand how anyone cant tell the difference of the old lines compared to the current ones. There is a big difference in headsize, bodysize, feathers, fighting style. I guess some people do pay more attention to details than others.

Anyhow, guamgazu, even if you think i am not going to do as well as i did before in my win %. I am not going to argue about it. I will just prove it to myself that i can still do it. Thats all i can do right?

guamgazu · August 21st, 2011, 07:13 AM

Jam671: Dnt no what u are tyN to Say, as I really dnt care bout what u or any1 else does! I dnt worry bout other peeps Biz...I mind my own. actually i wish u the best as i do with all fellow cocker's in this great sport! I have noticed from past threads that u have posted ,it seems that if peeps dnt agree with u, U get upset? this is an open forum with many different opinions, So sumtimes u aint gonna get the answers u want to hear...it dont mean peep's are HateN.

flarreyeye · August 21st, 2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Grillo

Mine are all straight comb, they come all shades of brownred from very dark brownreds to bright lemonhackled brownreds. They are heavy feathered, medium station, bad tempered and very aggresive. They hit hard, are very fast and nasty cutters. Some are very frontal and some show a little smart,but the strength, speed and cut are very consistent and they throw these qualities very consistently onto their crosses.

Some have stated that Mel was a good friend of Duke Hulsey. At one time, Duke had a family of Brown Reds from E.W. Law that were Mr. Gay of Kentucky's bloodline. Mr. Law fought Mr. Gay's cocks while still in Chicago, before moving to Georgia, and before association with Madigan. Mr. Gay was associated with the Sid Taylor fowl.

A vet out of Louisiana (Can't remember his name. He was also a horse man.) won COY at Sunset during the mid-70's with Jerry Jacque feeding with Law's Brown Red bloodline. I once saw them and they fought in real tight, looking like a lineman climbing up a pole when they got into another cock. Wonderful cocks but they didn't travel well.

jam671 · August 21st, 2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by guamgazu

Jam671: Dnt no what u are tyN to Say, as I really dnt care bout what u or any1 else does! I dnt worry bout other peeps Biz...I mind my own. actually i wish u the best as i do with all fellow cocker's in this great sport! I have noticed from past threads that u have posted ,it seems that if peeps dnt agree with u, U get upset? this is an open forum with many different opinions, So sumtimes u aint gonna get the answers u want to hear...it dont mean peep's are HateN.

guamgazu, dont worry about it. I just wanted to see what others think about old line compared to new line. In the end it dont really mean much as it all comes down to the win % at the pit. I can say it is the best in the world, but if i cant win with it, then it means nothing. So basically, the polls shows what other peoples thinks and thats all it is. It is much better than just you saying and I saying old is better and new is better.

I only responded to you because you said, " U think u can compete today with the old mels? da kine dat just run in and pound it out? think again! with the high caliber fowl of today and the knowledge that most folks possess(Breeding,raising,care,Keep,tying) U sure not gona get a High % of wins. the mels now have it all in my opinion, they Break,got cut,game and smart too."

kahale808 · August 21st, 2011, 03:24 PM

In my opinion. As the yrs go by the competition get tougher so like everything else in life you must evolve or adapt to the always progressing competition. As far as which is better the old or new. Maybe the old stuff evolved to wat it is today wether it be good or bad. I truely like the new stuff.

guamgazu · August 21st, 2011, 05:46 PM

Not worried cuz...just answerN ur thread.

jam671 · August 23rd, 2011, 02:18 PM

Alright, Bumpin this up for more votes and comments.

Just adding comments from other members post on other threads:

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Originally Posted by BullBred

In my opinion, Mels Blacks are nothing like they were 10-15 years ago. Back in the 90's they were way better roosters. They are still good tho.

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Originally Posted by jay daguio

U got that rite!! Back then the mels I had the pleasure of working with were just truelly premium fowl they were more clever and broke out higher and just ruthles cutting machines!! The ones I used to get frm my late partner Tata Pedro here in HI. were just down rite awsome!! These mels would watch u n break straight up 6 feet easy!! and just smother its opponent all the way to the ground n still keep going with the meanest 10 second shuffles i ever seen!! I would have alot of 3 to 5 time winners in just one season. alot of them would win with just minor injuries.

Asilish1 · August 24th, 2011, 12:20 AM

I voted for the old line because the old line is what made the Blacks so popular here on the island of Guahan. When they became popular in the 80's and 90's majority of the cockers followed. My uncle was one of them. LOL! those where some of the best shuffling roosters I've seen. The newer Black line is still awesome no doubt, but it was the old line that made them popular. Just my thoughts on the subject.

jam671 · August 24th, 2011, 07:27 AM

Asilish, do you know the story of how the Sims was introduced to Guam? By Pelani (not sure of right spelling), A hawaiian chick? I think this was in the early 90's or late 80's. Would be cool to clear up the story. I was told the story a lot back in the days, but kinda dont remember all the details.

Guamasil · August 24th, 2011, 11:00 AM

It was in the late 70's or early 80s when Pelani frequented the Sport O' Dome in Tamuning. At first she was rumored to be Oscar Akins' girlfriend when Oscar put up a show in Guam's first international derby. She stayed on Guam and hooked up with Danny Hernandez who was the sole importer of Mel Sims fowl at that time. Danny's favorite rooster was a Mel Sims hatch that won 7 big fights for him. Pelani loved to pit the birds and was a fearless gambler. Danny has since passed and Pelani moved on. I don't know where she is now. Last I heard she went back to Hawaii but I suspect she goes where the action is.
BTW, Doming Pangilinan also imported Mel's birds and did well with them. A guy named Tim also brought in the blacks. Here's a link about the Sims brown red before the blacks became popular.
http://www.sabong.net.ph/forum/showt...82#post3392982

Asilish1 · August 24th, 2011, 11:55 AM

Jam, Guamasil explains it best. I started getting into chicken at 84 & I was just a kid, so as far as history goes I'm not worthy. LOL! Guamasil has been cocking since ever since so he should know the history better than me. I'v heard of Pelani, Henandez and Pangelinan. Pangelinan actually lives around my neighborhood.

It's true, back then, they where known as Brownreds.

jam671 · August 24th, 2011, 09:49 PM

thanks Guamasil, i think thats exactly what i learned from the old timers. I also know that Tony Hernandez had em long time when he was still livin somewhere at latte heights. i dont know exactly what was the year he had em, but i know it was longer than what some thinks.

aemartinez · August 24th, 2011, 10:01 PM

ms

Asilish1 · August 25th, 2011, 01:44 AM

Beautiful rooster aemartinez!

Guamasil · August 25th, 2011, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jam671

thanks Guamasil, i think thats exactly what i learned from the old timers. I also know that Tony Hernandez had em long time when he was still livin somewhere at latte heights. i dont know exactly what was the year he had em, but i know it was longer than what some thinks.

Jam,
Had a senior moment and I knew when I woke up this morning that I meant Tony Hernandez.

Somehow when I think of Hernandez I'm thinking of Danny Mendiola's first name. Danny Mendiola partnered with Ben Domingo and were heavy in Mel's lines too. Another Sim's importer is Benny Acfalle who won the Thanksgiving derby a couple years ago with the Sims.

guamgazu · August 25th, 2011, 05:32 AM

great post guamasil: I remember pelani as a "nO Fear"Kinda gal, She wasnt scared to Roll big, Danny and Tony are two of the most well known cockers of guam and they always had sum of the best birds around. Doming P was tough as nails back in the day and now his sons are just as tough.... all great cockers who showed some of the best M Sims fowl .

BananaCamp · August 25th, 2011, 05:59 AM

In the early 80's, just remenicing "P" one time....I had to point the "yellow necks" from Osca and was hacking in Korean Camp that day....all day she was complaining that the birds went lose 2 to 3 ounces....but we went score 6 and 0 that day......jr went put them up, I went point'um and walama went strap'um.....alohas

jam671 · August 25th, 2011, 06:40 AM

I think the Tim you are talking about is Thiem Nguyen. The Vietnamese Guy. That guy always flies out to Texas to hand select his stuff. He hasnt done good with his breeding in recent fights, but the last two i picked up from him, i got a 1 win and 1 lose. But the lose was a big off match, Not trying to be a sore loser, but just stating the facts. Someone that saw my fights said i can go pick up any bird on his yard and condition it and fight it. So this means, i should be able to fight a lot more this coming season. I am really excited for next season. Hope i do good with my new knifes also.

Guamasil · August 25th, 2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by guamgazu

great post guamasil: I remember pelani as a "nO Fear"Kinda gal, She wasnt scared to Roll big, Danny and Tony are two of the most well known cockers of guam and they always had sum of the best birds around. Doming P was tough as nails back in the day and now his sons are just as tough.... all great cockers who showed some of the best M Sims fowl .

Hey Steve,
I think the challenge now for Guam cockers (now that Mel is retired) is to see who can win consistently with locally bred Sims bloodlines. We got tuff competition all around now.
Jam,
Yes, Thiem is the one I was referring to. Gud luck with your new knives!

BATTLE TESTED · August 25th, 2011, 10:06 AM

So gentlemen, may I ask who got the good Mels here in the mainland or s cal. My hen just died fr heat today. Thank you!!!

jam671 · August 25th, 2011, 02:08 PM

I think it would be best you call mel and ask him for leads to who in the mainland has it. Sorry to hear your hen died. Mine is swimming in a swimming pool. Rain non stop for 3 days almost.

GFARM FOWL · August 28th, 2011, 11:28 AM

Good day folks,

We was fortunate enough to aquire some of Mels blacks around six years ago. Weve had great rusults with them and went back to Mels place november 2010 and purchased another trio of blacks to keep ours going for many years. So far i cant tell much difference in the ability of the first trio vs second trio. the original trio was a straight comb stag with 2 pea comb pullets. The new trio we got in november is pea comb stag and straight comb pullets. Most of the stags come straight and pullets pea comb out of original trio.

jam671 · August 28th, 2011, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GFARM FOWL

Good day folks,

We was fortunate enough to aquire some of Mels blacks around six years ago. Weve had great rusults with them and went back to Mels place november 2010 and purchased another trio of blacks to keep ours going for many years. So far i cant tell much difference in the ability of the first trio vs second trio. the original trio was a straight comb stag with 2 pea comb pullets. The new trio we got in november is pea comb stag and straight comb pullets. Most of the stags come straight and pullets pea comb out of original trio.

The old blood is the ones in the 70's 80's and 90's
Yours is considered as new since it hasnt been that long.

sweaterkiller · August 28th, 2011, 04:42 PM

jam671 dont know were your going with this as you pmmed me about the old ones being dead game and the new ones lacking in that department? i have not seen any of that with mels fowls they are still hard core as ever and some of the most athletic fowls competing to date as for the new stuff your refering too ? unless you got it direct from mel himself then you would know but you did not aquire no stocks from mel period!!! as you have wrote to me in pm that they were given to you by a freind ,have you even talked to mr sims? the reason why i write this is i feel your rude as stating yours is new the old is 70s 80s 90s the person was just stating he saw no diffrence and liked mels fowls ,and you dont need to prove nothing to me about your fowl and also i would aprecciate if you stop your pmms and sending me pics of your fowl i dont really care thanx

aemartinez · August 28th, 2011, 09:51 PM

jam671 · August 28th, 2011, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sweaterkiller

jam671 dont know were your going with this as you pmmed me about the old ones being dead game and the new ones lacking in that department? i have not seen any of that with mels fowls they are still hard core as ever and some of the most athletic fowls competing to date as for the new stuff your refering too ? unless you got it direct from mel himself then you would know but you did not aquire no stocks from mel period!!! as you have wrote to me in pm that they were given to you by a freind ,have you even talked to mr sims? the reason why i write this is i feel your rude as stating yours is new the old is 70s 80s 90s the person was just stating he saw no diffrence and liked mels fowls ,and you dont need to prove nothing to me about your fowl and also i would aprecciate if you stop your pmms and sending me pics of your fowl i dont really care thanx

Sorry you feel that way. But i do see it less game. In my opinion, if the bird aint dead yet, it better keep going. I have seen them stop before it is dead. So if you feel they still the same deadgame. Then its your opinion. As you stated, what matters is if you can win with it. I am still sticking with the old line is better. If anything, the old line was already perfected 100%.

GFARM FOWL said that there is no difference, and i wanted to make it clear what the old line i am talking about. I dont think it is rude to let him know what exactly old is compared to new. You might know, but others that never handled the old line, cant compare cause they have no experience with it.

I did order direct from Sims. I have yet to give him a call in regards to the new blacks compared to the old blacks. If you dont believe i got stock from mel, why dont you ask him? I am sure that would clear things up if i ever ordered from him. Dont go assuming stuff without evidence. At the same time, you can also ask sims about Thiem and what he got from him.

I was only sending pics to switchhatch since he was sending pics to me and he also send it to you. So i thought i would also send some pics to him and you. I also send to diesel cause i said i would. Personally, i didnt care to send you pics but thought you were cool, so i also included you. dont worry, i wont be sending you any pms.Your not worth my time. I already know how you felt so i already stopped sending you pms. Its not like i kept sending you pms about showing me pics. Once you didnt reply, i forgot about it already and dont care if you do send me pics or not. So dont act like I was pestering you. You sure are a sensitive guy getting all wired up over this topic. If you cant handle the heat, you better get out.

I was freaking out that you were getting mad at guamasil over stating his no name bloodline won in a fiesta fight and the mels lost. I really wonder why you would even get mad over that. He was just stating the truth of what happened. What ya smokin Mr Sensitive?

sweaterkiller · August 29th, 2011, 02:30 AM

lol jam671 dont care not sensitive just straight up i still got the pmm that said you never ordered nor obtained mels direct so why do you say you got them now yeah your pms are quite annoying for the fact your just a bull ****ter ,too me anyhow the new stuff you got with the white ears that pic you sent me did that come direct from mel if you did order ??? looks pretty dunghill to me and dont even look close to mels fowl i wont call mel for dum question like this and your buddy guamasil is just like you man bull****ters also you personally did not want to send me pics never asked never cared also sweaterhatch was the only person i corrosponed with he did nothing but support the breeding and was proud of the mels he randomly sent me pics his own doing so thanx for your last pmm you sent jam671 alohaaaa

jam671 · August 29th, 2011, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sweaterkiller

lol jam671 dont care not sensitive just straight up i still got the pmm that said you never ordered nor obtained mels direct so why do you say you got them now yeah your pms are quite annoying for the fact your just a bull ****ter ,too me anyhow the new stuff you got with the white ears that pic you sent me did that come direct from mel if you did order ??? looks pretty dunghill to me and dont even look close to mels fowl i wont call mel for dum question like this and your buddy guamasil is just like you man bull****ters also you personally did not want to send me pics never asked never cared also sweaterhatch was the only person i corrosponed with he did nothing but support the breeding and was proud of the mels he randomly sent me pics his own doing so thanx for your last pmm you sent jam671 alohaaaa

LOL, whatever MR SENSITIVE. I dont call that straight up. I call that Sensitive. Why dont you post my pm of me saying i never ordered mels. I said i have been breeding mel since 90's. I ordered mels hatch last year. You must be a phychic or what? Mind reader! Stop smokin what your smokin cause you'd be making up too much chit with your magic glass bowl.

Why you even calling Guamasil a bullchitter for anyhow? oh wait, your MR SENSITIVE and cant take the truth.
Oh wait, whats this aloha chit? You aint even hawaiian. You should be saying konichiwa or sayonara cause you japanese.
LOL you such a wannabe hawaiian. LOL Thats sum funny chit!

Guamasil · August 29th, 2011, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sweaterkiller

lol jam671 dont care not sensitive just straight up i still got the pmm that said you never ordered nor obtained mels direct so why do you say you got them now yeah your pms are quite annoying for the fact your just a bull ****ter ,too me anyhow the new stuff you got with the white ears that pic you sent me did that come direct from mel if you did order ??? looks pretty dunghill to me and dont even look close to mels fowl i wont call mel for dum question like this and your buddy guamasil is just like you man bull****ters also you personally did not want to send me pics never asked never cared also sweaterhatch was the only person i corrosponed with he did nothing but support the breeding and was proud of the mels he randomly sent me pics his own doing so thanx for your last pmm you sent jam671 alohaaaa

Hey sweaterkiller,
My friends here know what kind of person I am. I've helped many beginners and fellow cockers. Call me what you want but look in the mirror first.
Most Hawaiian cockers are good people. What happened to you?

jam671 · August 29th, 2011, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Guamasil

Hey sweaterkiller,
My friends here know what kind of person I am. I've helped many beginners and fellow cockers. Call me what you want but look in the mirror first.
Most Hawaiian cockers are good people. What happened to you?

thats because he is a wannabe hawaiian that is sensitive.