longer or shorter knife?

hi to all, i've been reading past posts about the best choice and or results in between the longer or shorter knife. being originally from Puerto Rico( now living in the Philippines), i was used to see fights with the postiza, about 2 1/2 inches long, and the killing rate was pretty high. Now im learning about the knife style of fighting. Anyway im an open minded person, and have noticed that here the mind orientation is for the longer the better and more effective. IMHO is just a psychological issue, just looking at those 3 inches or so knives, can really intimidate anyone. IMHO i believe for example that if you have a 2 1/2 inches knive with the "PROPER DESIGN" it will do the job as a 3 inch knife if not better. I think in trying new dimensions and designs we loose nothing and can gain a lot.. I know this a past thread, but would love new enlightenment from the veterans of this great site...Muchas Gracias Amigos......

[banderado84]

hi...i think in the case of head back_feet out style of fighting ...the longer is the better coz they dont always drive the knife to the hub with that fighting style specially if both have the same fighting style, you could sometimes see their feet crisscrossing.... they cant drive the knife to the hub also for those ebasive oponents. but keep it just long enough not to over kill the the other rooster....or just efficiently long enough...i see veteran gaffers very good at this in emoy's TUKAAN episode in puerto princesa a year ago. my 2c.

banderado ,your 2c are appreciated and very valuable. As i said im learning about the knife fighting. But i decided to do a test with a 2 1/2 knife, and the cuts were veryyy impressive. And the big hits were on the air and on the ground. In other words the penetrations came even on the ground shots and this knife"s cuts were nasty... I still think that the knife design did the nasty work, with the good cutting chicken of course.. thanks for your inputs....my 2P's...

take a look look if you please at these cuts pics..

second pic

3rd pic, friends i didnt do this ones with my steak knife..:lol:

[kimora]

Paquito, how about posting also the pix of the knife you used?

Kimora i did, keep looking at the topic posts and you will see.. let me know...thanks

[kimora]

I very sorry Paquito but I didn't see any picture in your posrings. I read the description but not a picture.

Kimora, pls go to chicken talk forum, then click on the topic "longer or shorter knife" and read all the posts, i have 3 attachments in 3 different posts.. If not let me know and i will kindly send it to you by private. Interesting pictures to see...Thanks

hi tsampoy.. i have read a lot of your inputs and have learn a lot from it. I got the knives from August Moon from cebu, got to tell that this guy is very creative and open minded to listen and to text new designs that may do a great job like mine did. Just 2 1/2 long, but coz of the design, very lethal as you can see in the pics... Good cutter, good gaffer and good knife design, shall do the job most of the times, coz on this business no one can win 100% of the time...Love the Spanish..haha
Muchas Gracias Amigo..

The design of this knife came from MR. August Moon but the shorter version is mine, trying to emulate the short type from Puerto Rico.. I was wondering this short version of his design would do the job, and as you can see the pics talk for itself..I was amazed with those huge cuts...amazing......Thanks

[Sentenciador]

Hi,

I'm experimenting with a 1 7/8 inch knife. I think in a drag fight, this is more effective than a 3 inch sabre.

So far, no conclusive results yet. I'll report back after more fights.

Thanks.

I agree with you..I think that in a drag fight the shorter version is more effective.. Is why i asked Mr. August Moon to use his design, but in a shorter version for me, and he did it. The point is that i noticed that even few hits were from outside or in the air, so looks like the cock can even hit in mid air with this short version.. One thing for sure his design is very destructive as you appreciated in the pics... The shorter version is kind of the lenght of the Postiza that we commonly use in Puerto Rico...I was just testing and it works......let me know how it goes with the 1 7/8..if you pls..thanks.....

[banderado84]

can you post the picture of the knife from MAR that you used? he's got quite a few design... thanks

[peatree]

Longer knives and shorter knives got advantages over one another, you have to find out what are they, in the long run, you will find out longer knives are difficult to align and set properly while shorter knives are easier, all said about how short knife kills are true. between good knives properly align and set, the longer knives got the upperhand.

[sabit singson]

True.

peatree


mismo!

Peatree, thanks for your input, but please explain me, if both knives kill, why if properly aligned the Longer knife has the upperhand... Did you see the pics i downloaded of the cuts with the shrter knife?..Pls enlightened my mind..... thanks...

This is Mar design that he made for me, but to my request of a short version, as in Postiza lenght...

[banderado84]

paquito....most of your roosters probably weight 2 kg or less?....if ME i would not let my gaffer put that 2 1/2 knife to a rooster that weigh around 2.4 kg, i think its very disadvantageous....weight must count too...imo

Banderado, can you pls tell me why if the rooster is like a 2.4kg is disadvanteageous to use the short knife? Coz i can tell you that that little thing is very strong and wont brake that easy. I asked Mar about it and he told me that " we can use it in a 2.4kg without problems".. I trust his word and crafmanship. But your input is interesting..pls tell me why the disadvantege..thanks

[peatree]

I wont explain why longer knives got the upperhand over the shorter knives

about the picture, that explains how short knives , even though aligned a little inside or a little outside or knife point set below the spur or above the spur created the flesh wound. A picture that showed an intentional or unintentional or prefered alignment way outside the stabbing blow. It kills most of the time. Comes the crunch time where everyone wonders which chicken dies first, the longer knives properly set wins most of the time over shorter knives.

I noticed Noli Estrellado use longer knives than his opponents. He was once tagged No 1 gaffer ?

Peatree, thanks for your comments, pls next time share with me why the longer knife gets the upperhand coz now you make me wonder.. good input about the short knife cuts pictures, i always learn and i love it.. but i still prefer the shorter knife, think is a matter of choice and luck.... take care my friend....

Tsampoy, so you know what im talking about..:lol: How long is that one or your preference.. can you share with which lenght you have been more sucessful? thanks .....

[peatree]

Paquito56,

If I have to explain why longer knives got the upperhand, then I have to talk a lot regarding chickens and setting and alignments. i want to reserve this things coz I already suffered teaching and sharing too much in our place regarding knives. Who knows we might see each other in the pit in Cebu someday, then I woould gladly show how long knives kills but I cannot show you a pleasing external wound. Whenever I win I win fast and when I lose I lost fast too! otherwise I will win fast:lol:

One of disadvantage of short knives is that it recognizes hard to kill chickens, also powerful chikens can parry it too, another is that , a slight side stepping by the opponent is enough to make other chickens turn to hit.

I apologize I make you wonder but setting a long knife and aligning it is a big challenge I am very confident I have been able to solve its puzzle. There is no challenge in setting short knives, it can inflict wound all the time but your chicken have to be good and must work hard.:teeth:

[sabit singson]

not long, not short, just exactly right.

[edkiang]

Palagay ko pag tinarian natin nang itak ang mga manok ay tiyak na sa tingin palang ay takbo na ang kalaban.........ala.....Crow Of Balintawak nina Andres Bluefaceo baga.....:lol: ...kaunting katuwaan lang mga kapatid....kasi masyadong seryoso na ang usapan....di be Preng Tsamps?

Long and sharp.

Peatree, you got a valid point and i agree with you to the most, but i still think that a short knife can kill very good too.. How many fights i have seen here with very long knives, scary to the look thou, that the fights go on for a while with no killing or scratchings at all. I still think IMHO that is about good knife design ( short or long), good gaffer and good cutter cock..Is why those fights i have seen last so long even with the longer knife, coz of maybe bad alignmentt or the cocks arent good cutters at all..Funny, when i use my short knife and my cock doesnt cut, mostly everybody blames the knife, but when a cock doesnt cut with the humungous long knife, then they blame the gaffer or chicken, but never the knife..uhmm..close minded, brainwashed or what? dont know, but is senseless to me.. You are right is a topic that we can talk the whole year, hope we can meet someday at the cebu pit, so we coould share a bit more of this..Your opinion is well respected coz i can tell, that you know what you are talking about....Thanks Mi Amigo..