conditioning aid

[urateur]

i always stick to mother nature goodness - simply the natural way & lots of "TLC" :hippie:

[rhandy]

I'm looking for Super Aytenal (tablets) conditioning aid. it's for my friend in pi.

randy

anyone who uses alfalfa tabs?

does it help?

mr. julian, i just want to know what type of aminoplex do u exactly use, is it injectable or tablet? and what is the proper way of giving it during conditioning, like 21 day keep? thanks! (alnracho@yahoo.com)

My use of keep aid is on a case to case basis. candidates for
selection of course must be carefully selected thus factors such as sound pre-conditioning program. So the "natural" preparation to me falls under pre-conditioning.

During hand training / cord, i give:

- B-12 and B-15
- Red cell or beef liver
- protein (holding ration and egg white)

During 14 day keep:

- anti-stress low dosage vitamin supplement
- alfalfa (seeds or tablets)
- tendency towards more carbo than protein

Last 5 days (pointing):

- carbo loading supplements (wheat germ, oat meal, etc.)
- nux vomica (depends on weather, if it's hot i don't use it)
- nervous system stimulant

Keep aids only helps you polish your candidates, as to reduce the chances of having on-off syndrome when preparing them for battle. Common sense and basics is the main fator in chakling up the big W. Experience is still the best teacher.

As to the one who asked about Centrum and the likes, i'd advise not to use them. These are not formulated for fowls and the excessive dose are even detrimental. I have used a variety of pit time pills, i would say serpent guard is still the best. While others may not agree with the use of these kinds of drugs, i'd say to each his own. Ika nga sa pinoy, "kung san ka hiyang, dun ka".

Bogart007, I think Centrum is still the best if you know how to use it. I know centrum is fomulated for humans but you don't have to give the whole cap and also it's not for everyday use. The best that I have used so far is the RX product anti stress B complex with iron. I don't know if this gonna work for you but it works for me all the time.

gud am! kunin ko lang ang reaksyon ng mag experts.. sa leaflet kasi ng sagupaan, nakalagay sa 21 day conditioning, kasama sa program yung nasa running pen ang manok may kasamang inahin. dito kasi sa amin sa probinsiya iniiwasan naming makakasta ang panlaban at least three months bago ilaban.. ano ba epekto nito?
daghan na salamat!

ba_vickery,

ginagawa yan para daw sa mental conditioning. . . parang sa ating mga tao, may "macho effect" daw na nadadagdag. mas focused daw ang mga cocks at pakiramdam nila eh lalaking lalaki sila pagnakakasta.

pagginawa mo to, klangan pinakalate na yung 11 days before the fight. enough time na yan para makrecover yung manok.

sa stag, importante dn yan sa conditioning kasi daw mas mabilis mag mature ang manok.

pagmataba ang manok mo magandang exercise din ito... pangtanggal ng excess fats.

brother atlas,

thanks bro! that was very enlightening...honestly i wasnt expecting someone to answer my query..besides i was @ the wrong place at the moment ( i thought) coz this forum is in english language. you proved me wrong!

im a neophyte in cockfighting but i am very eager to learn coz im dreamin to have my own breeds. by the way, where can i get a copy of bloodlines and their corresponding physical features and game performances?

best regards!

bro,

try browsing "Zine" or "Gamefowl Magazine". . .

it contains almost everthing about the sport. . . establishing your own farm, breeding, conditioning etc etc. . .

(i think ders rily no need to observe the language restriction coz almost all of the members here are fil. . . just my opinion)

bro,

many thanks again! i hope you wont get tired of answering my queries..

( i think youre right there..ill go the flow though

Better to give egg and banana with fresh water rather medicine. Natural food is the best medicine.

Belamyl,laktamino, B-12 with folic acid and natureway Bee pollen. i used belamyl or B-12 w/ folic acid depende sa movement ng manok, if ok ang galaw ng manok B-complex lang pero kung kailangan talaga magdagdag ng few strenght,i'll use b-12 na.:hombre:

[CIGAR]

if your'e not sure on how to use these items there can be more damage than good, when your sick you dont go to the vet why because a vet doesn't have the knowledge to administer medicine for people. His knowledge is with animals. B-12 is the only vitamin that can be used with out to much knowledge because it's hard to mess it up...

cigar

hi,sabungeros,

proper dosages and titrating doses to suit your cocks whatever medications you wanna give has a best idea of success.example when you give steroids you should think about that steroids can cause water retaintion,your cocks may become slow and uncomfortable,so when you give steroids give something like diuretics to help eleminate retaining water.steroids use by sports really works.....the questions is do you understand of its usages?????,this time natural contionning alone put your cocks at risk of losses?????????????

natural condition lng kmi, maganda rin ang palo.

gaano ka natural bai, mais lang at kamoteng kahoy? joke:lol: joke lang ha.

FOR ME ITS "NUX VUMICA" THE BEST! HEY GUYS, SOME OF YOUR REPLY ARE OUT OF TOPIC, ATLAS HERE HAS A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION AND EVEN GAVE US A MULTIPLE CHOICE QUESTION. AND YET SOME OF YOUR ASNWERS ARE ABOUT GOOD BLOODLINE AND ETC.... ATLAS I THINK HAS ALREADY CONCIDERED THAT HE ALREADY HAVE GOOB BLOOD LINED COCKS AND WELL FED COCKS. HE IS JUST TRYING TO ASK WHICK OF THOSE CHOICES ABOVE IS THE BEST!???

FILIPINO RED VIPER - FIGH DAY
RHUBRAMINE B 12

I THINK THIS IS THE BEST!

[lgsbc_320]

cockmeyts, ive been breeding and fighting my very own cocks for about 10 years now . with no further xplanation i agree with natural conditioning BUTTTT due to todays tough competition conditioning became more systematic and scientific in approach. i have won and lose some fights. logically speaking, whats the use of these commercials that advertise vet products! im not hypocrite that im not using conditioning aids, we need these drugs for the purpose of winning and have the edge in the drag fight. as long they are healthy and give correct dosage of drugs then u can be sure u have the advantage. B CAUTIOUS IN USING THESE DRUGS AND B4 U FIGHT , HAVE SOME TEST IF IT GIVE U GOOD OR BAD RESULTS NOT IN THE PIT ! BUT REGULAR SPARRING IN THE FARM OK?

Atlas,
With all the respect, but i disagree with with you about the language restriction. Is a matter of " discipline' and " order", and a matter of respect and consideration for others. Sabong site isnt only for the Filipino brothers, but for all the Sabungeros around the world, and is why, in this forum English is the language chosen to give consideration and a chance to others from around the world to understand and feel familiarized, in order to express and learn from all of you.. So , i think that all of us , not Tagalog or Visaya speakers only, deserves a bit of considreation and a show of good manners from our Filipino brothers.. Im not trying to put you down, but just to clarify a bit about this forum language..Thanks so much and God bless all.....

What is DEMON'S DRIVER?? Any comments on this??

[Jaypeeix]

wolfengot...

demons driver is what some sabongeros use 20 to 15 mins b4 the fight..it gives more agressiveness,,,,BUT in someway ,,,,,not ol cocks have same effect,,,,,hmmm.... i use it a couple of times,.,,,, it is effective though but,,,,i stop using it because your not sure if your rooster will do better dan u expected,,,,,,, it myt goes off or sometimes they go so agressive that cause them to loose......


my advice to you,,is just use it wen ur cock is not conditioned,,, but has a heart to kill.,....gets???


dat is the most effective way if u want to use this drug...
(this is only my opinion.,...)

I have been using BELAMYL since i have started this sport...and some other oral vitamins. Thanks and have a nice day!

[CIGAR]

the best condition aid is that of 365 days a year with fresh water and food.....


cigar

[RX-AD]

Cockmate!,

In my experience with Nux, I've got bad results. The cocks lost its good vision during fight. I won't use this drug again. Maybe Rubramin B12 is one of the best and Red Viper. But with my green legged cocks, I am using Red Gel Forte and Pharmaton. They hit harder during drag fight and lots of power plus stamina. On my light colored fowls, I am using the Bexan XP and Androbol. During the 21 day conditioning, I give daily 1/2 tablet centrum or stresstabs, alternate. One thing I always remember that during the fight day the drugs I have administered will increase the body temperature of my cocks at 42 degreess.

RX-AD
I wonder, what the legs cpolors and feather color has to do with the type od supplement or drug you apply??? thanks

[RX-AD]

PAQUITO56,

In my experience, dark colored legs respond diffrently from light colored legs cocks in the application of anabolic steroids. So I give heavier medicines to green legged coz usually these dark leg fowls of mine kill their opponent mostly (95%) in the drag fight. While my light colored cocks they kill their opponent through lightnng cutting speed. I am inclined to using androbol coz their weight would be lightier. If I use Red Gel Forte & Pharmaton their weight easily got increase & they become heavier. Maybe in my personal opinion, the drugs stimulate their appetite or increase metabolism. Any input from you Paquito56? I would be glad if you can share with me some of your opinion. Maybe share to me what r u using? Gud day!!!

RX-AD
Gracias for your explanation, now i got your point and with your experience and observations i agree with you..never thought of those details before, guees i shall be more vigilant with my fowls..Androbol is sold without prescription? if so, what is the price.. I have had good results with just Amino Acids, but for humans. Giving the fowl much less dosage than for humans of course. The ones i have used are from Ultimate Nutrition, quite expensive though. I give 2 tablest, 1 am, 1 pm, during the conditioning and only 1 in the am on day of fight.. Always they throw lots of legs, plus they develop muscle mass and less fat, coz adding to that i exercise them.. Plus lots of natural food, like liver, dog food sometimes in low quantyties, Papaya, apples, bananas and other things..Gosh sounds like a recipe, right. I have heard that there is a drug called Andriol, P30 each, and only stays in the body for 4 hrs, no side effects, if not overdose of course..Tell me more about Androbol and bexan XP...Gracias

[RX-AD]

PAQUITO56,

I usually give androbol once a week for a 21 day keep. Or if andobol is not available, slazbolak. But its a matter of personal evaluation if I need more of such drug during conditioning. If the cock need faster building of muscle mass during work out I give 1-2 times a week.

But it really matters with the type of cock you are using. The hatch fowl have more positive response with this administration.